Injury Thread: Manu Ginobili injured vs. Wizards

[timvp]

Here we go again . . .

Not exactly sure what's wrong but he's gone back to the lockerroom a couple times and appears to be icing his quad.

[TwelveGs210]

Wow. Just wow. Makes it hard to plan for the playoffs with his up and down health.

[DPG21920]

What do you make of all manus injuries? What do you do about this and how does it impact the future?

[TwelveGs210]

How long is his remaining contract?

[Capt Bringdown]

Wow, no one could have saw this coming.

[Spurs Brazil]

Bring Mike Brungardt back

[loveforthegame]

I know it has to be as frustrating for him as it is for us. Hopefully it's nothing serious and he's just sitting tonight because we don't need him. We have bigger games coming up this week.

Spurs definitely need to get a backup PG because they can't depend on Ginobli staying healthy and we've seen what happens when Neal struggles. They probably have to hold on to JA as well.

[ALVAREZ6]

fuck

[Russ]

Wow, no one could have saw this coming.

Ouch.:rollin

[jag]

Well this is surprising

[angelbelow]

What do you make of all manus injuries? What do you do about this and how does it impact the future?

I didn't get a chance to watch the game or read up on his injury but it definitely depends on the severity of his injury.

If this is another serious injury then we should probably assume that Manu will never play at a high level consistently again. Which would effectively end any hopes we have of making the finals this year or the next. I think we're headed towards a multi-year rebuilding plan next year anyway so this kind of revs up the urgency to do so.

[sehui]

godamnit...

[ElNono]

Non-Issue

[Reck]

Time to call it quits buddy.

[jag]

I don't see how they could shut him down until the playoffs. It's not one recurring injury; it's basically his entire body. You just have to live with it.

[timvp]

What do you make of all manus injuries?Age makes players, especially swingmen, more injury prone. That plus bad luck (the broken hand) not doing Manu any favors right now.


What do you do about this and how does it impact the future?Hope he's healthy for the playoffs. Not much else you can do.

[ElNono]

I have $20 on a right thigh contusion...

[timvp]

Ginobili appears to be in good spirits after the game. Hopefully that's a good sign.

[ElNono]

He was on the baseline stretching the leg in the 4th... I think Pop decided to shut him down seeing we were up a lot...

[Mugen]

he cramped up. Pop didn't want to bring him back in against the Wizards.

[jag]

Ginobili appears to be in good spirits after the game. Hopefully that's a good sign.

At least he's gotten to the point where injuries are so commonplace that his confidence isn't affected...

[ElNono]

he cramped up. Pop didn't want to bring him back in against the Wizards.

that's what I thought too

[TwelveGs210]

I'm not too worried, but his passing/vision are still elite. Sad to say, he is done. Wear and tear has taken its toll.

[024]

this does not bode well. with tj ford done forever, manu unable to stay on the floor, and joesph sucking balls, it just takes one parker injury to cripple the team. and parker has not had his annual injury yet..

[will_spurs]

I have $20 on a right thigh contusion...

As long as it's not a stinger...

[ElNono]

As long as it's not a stinger...

I'm sure some people wish it was...

[Mugen]

Didn't deserve a thread, tbh. Please pink OP, thank you.

[jag]

I'm sure some people wish it was...

Don't be silly

[Brazil]

I'm sure some people wish it was...

wtf ?

we have just two manu haters ducks and mookie

Im not one of them I picked manu to get more than 17 pts tonite

[8FOR!3]

So wait, it's a cramp and the sky is falling?

[ElNono]

http://jamiedubs.com/fuckflickr/data/meme-prints/web/leave-britney-alone.jpg

LEAVE MANU ALONE!!!! :cry

[gilmor]

I'm sure some people wish it was...

Man, you are suck a cock sucker

[Brazil]

http://jamiedubs.com/fuckflickr/data/meme-prints/web/leave-britney-alone.jpg

LEAVE MANU ALONE!!!! :cry

at least manu won't suck like tp in the PO

[TD 21]

It's almost become a self fulfulling prophecy at this point. It's as if every time he feels the slightest bit of pain or soreness, he automatically assumes he's injured, instead of just taking it for what it is, which is part of the game.

The reality is, he's the type that's bound to have at least a scare every couple of weeks at most, so it's going to happen in the playoffs too. He might want to actually be in game shape/rhythm by the time they roll around though. That's not going to happen with all these starts and stops.

As far as team wise, he can't be counted on, so they need a credible backup PG. Even if it's someone who's not in the rotation, when healthy, they've got to have a serviceable enough option to go to for when he inevitably goes down. And also for hectic stretches in the schedule. We know they're going to sit the big three in one game of both back-to-back-to-backs and possibly a few others down the stretch, but you'd at least like to have a fighting chance in those games. That's not going to happen with Neal, Green and Joseph, running point.

[jag]

Elnono with an honorable attempt at damage control. Throwing himself in front of Manu, drawing the attention and sacrificing himself for the entire church.

[ElNono]

:lol people pretending Manu decides whether to keep playing or not

[ElNono]

Elnono with an honorable attempt at damage control. Throwing himself in front of Manu, drawing the attention and sacrificing himself for the entire church.

It's a thankless job, tbh

[jag]

It's a thankless job, tbh

It will not go in vain. You serve a higher power.

[Brazil]

great sacrifice :cry

[Kori Ellis]

Slight quad strain.

[ElNono]

Did they say anything on the postgame? I'm checking twitter, but no news.

[timvp]

Pop on Manu: "He just tightened up."

That was the report on Kawhi and he missed something like ten days of action, IIRC.

[TD 21]

:lol people pretending Manu decides whether to keep playing or not

Look at Bryant, Bynum and every other key Laker, who play through 99% of their injury scares and miraculously don't go on to suffer further damage. They keep playing because they choose to.

Parker's another example. He takes far more hits than Ginobili and plays far more minutes too, but most of the time he'll either say he's fine or it's just bumps and bruises, which are to be expected. He doesn't sit out a minimum two weeks at the slightest bit of pain. Yet he rarely has something linger for an extended stretch or have it get significantly worse in the process.

[ElNono]

what are we looking at? 2 weeks?

[DAF86]

If it trully is leg "tightening", it's just a sign of not beign in game shape yet.

[Capt Bringdown]

Expecting that you're going to get anything other than injury-plagued mediocrity from Manu at this stage in his career is similar to the expectation that turds such as Blair, Bonner and RJ can produce anything other than failure in the PO.

[Kori Ellis]

what are we looking at? 2 weeks?

Doubt it. He might not even miss the next game. Depends how he is in the morning.

[timvp]

Look at Bryant, Bynum and every other key Laker, who play through 99% of their injury scares and miraculously don't go on to suffer further damage. They keep playing because they choose to.

You had me at Bryant but then lost me at Bynum.

[ElNono]

Look at Bryant, Bynum and every other key Laker, who play through 99% of their injury scares and miraculously don't go on to suffer further damage. They keep playing because they choose to.

:lol Manu twisted his ankle the previous game and kept playing. He has played injured in the playoffs. I can see where Pop would shut him down on a meaningless game up 10 against the Wizards...

[ElNono]

:lol Bynum played less games than Manu the past 3 or so seasons, IIRC

[timvp]

Expecting that you're going to get anything other than injury-plagued mediocrity from Manu at this stage in his career is similar to the expectation that turds such as Blair, Bonner and RJ can produce anything other than failure in the PO.

Not to pull an ElNono but even if Manu has earned the label of "injury-plagued", he's been one of the best players in the NBA this year when healthy .. hardly mediocrity, tbh.

[TD 21]

You had me at Bryant but then lost me at Bynum.

Then apparently you haven't seen too many Lakers games. Damn near every time I watch them, he has at least one scare with his knee. But the vast majority of the time, he plays through it. Or, he'll exit briefly, then return. And this is a young guy, who's had serious work done on his knees. But he knows it's par for the course. So he can either suck it up and keep playing, or constantly go in and out, never really getting into game shape/rhythm.

[Libri]

Pop on Manu: "He just tightened up."

That was the report on Kawhi and he missed something like ten days of action, IIRC.

That's what Sean said. The word tightened seems kind of odd.

[timvp]

Then apparently you haven't seen too many Lakers games. Damn near every time I watch them, he has at least one scare with his knee. But the vast majority of the time, he plays through it. Or, he'll exit briefly, then return. And this is a young guy, who's had serious work done on his knees. But he knows it's par for the course. So he can either suck it up and keep playing, or constantly go in and out, never really getting into game shape/rhythm.

Tbh, I wouldn't advise Manu to follow what Bynum does with regards to injury. He's played more than 55 games in a season exactly once in the last four seasons -- 65 in '09-10. Manu has played less than 65 games only once in his career.

[Capt Bringdown]

Not to pull an ElNono but even if Manu has earned the label of "injury-plagued", he's been one of the best players in the NBA this year when healthy .. hardly mediocrity, tbh.

Yes, he still has the ability to shine on occasion. It's the unreliable "on occasion" part that's mediocre. What good is a SuperManu who can't stay healthy?

It's a very poor bet to think that he's not going to be injured in the playoffs.

[TD 21]

Tbh, I wouldn't advise Manu to follow what Bynum does with regards to injury. He's played more than 55 games in a season exactly once in the last four seasons -- 65 in '09-10. Manu has played less than 65 games only once in his career.

I'm not talking about playing through a severe injury that needs surgery immediately. I'm talking about playing through some discomfort. He needs to accept that he's injury prone and aging and that it's bound to happen. It doesn't mean he needs to miss games every time it does though.

[ChumpDumper]

:madrun It's Pop's fault for starting him! :madrun

[vander]

In before vander and rascal:lol..maybe they were correct, tbh..

In before elnono, on the other side:lol..

I was gonna

:toast

[timvp]

:madrun It's Pop's fault because he forfeited the Blazers game! :madrun

That too.

[Borosai]

Manu is just getting the injuries out of the way before the playoffs.

[Beanzamillion21]

Can Manu retire too? For fucks sake's he might as well.

[Kamala]

Oh fuck me:bang:bang

[ElNono]

http://llenrock.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/chicken_little_fcp_sky_falling.jpg

[Brazil]

too bad manu is not a warrior he cannot play under minor injuries

[Solid D]

I noticed Manu favor his leg slightly after a breakaway, touchdown pass for the easy score. It almost looked to me like he pulled a quad sprinting down court prior to the basket. Not sure if that's when he pulled it but if it is, that's an indication of not being properly stretched out and possibly not in top shape.

[thispego]

That's what Sean said. The word tightened seems kind of odd.

:rolleyes How?

[thispego]

I'm not talking about playing through a severe injury that needs surgery immediately. I'm talking about playing through some discomfort. He needs to accept that he's injury prone and aging and that it's bound to happen. It doesn't mean he needs to miss games every time it does though.

Somebody doesn't play sports, obviously

[sehui]

Please let him play next game..

[boutons_deux]

Is Manu neurologically intact?

[vander]

http://llenrock.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/chicken_little_fcp_sky_falling.jpg

it there a worse analogy in sports than 'the sky is falling'?

you see, in sports, all but one team fails every year: the sky falls for 29 teams in the NBA every year, and much of the time, for many of the teams, it never even gets put back up enough to really fall again. but in the fable, it's supposed to represent the end of the world, but the world doesn't actually end, the sky never actually falls, and the people who are afraid of it are just hysterical idiots.

tbh it's the hysterical idiots who think the Spurs are just fine putting any eggs in the Manu basket

[ElNono]

it there a worse analogy in sports than 'the sky is falling'?

you see, in sports, all but one team fails every year: the sky falls for 29 teams in the NBA every year, and much of the time, for many of the teams, it never even gets put back up enough to really fall again. but in the fable, it's supposed to represent the end of the world, but the world doesn't actually end, the sky never actually falls, and the people who are afraid of it are just hysterical idiots.

tbh it's the hysterical idiots who think the Spurs are just fine putting any eggs in the Manu basket

it's a mild quad strain... yet some people suggest he should retire, but you don't see the 'sky is falling' overreaction... :rolleyes

And you can call Pop hysterical idiot or whatever, who cares? :lol

[jestersmash]

I don't see any twitter/spurs.com update saying that Manu suffered a strain. Source?

Also, just FYI, you shouldn't sound so nonchalant about a strain. Strains are bad news. Ideally, you'd hope that Manu just suffered a bruise.

A grade 1 strain can take anywhere from 1-3 weeks to fully heal.

[TMTTRIO]

As sad as it is for me to say Manu may have to think about retiring too. His body can't even last a few games anymore without him getting another serious injury.

[DesignatedT]

This is getting really old.

[Kori Ellis]

From what I heard, it was just tightening -- Manu isn't quite adjusted to the pace of game play yet so he cramped/tightened up. He's not expected to miss any time, but that will be confirmed tomorrow.

[lurker23]

Bottom line: Manu IS injury prone. Some of it is bad luck, some of it is getting on in age, but a lot of it is just the style that he plays. Manu only knows one speed, and that's full speed. It's what makes him injury prone, but it's also what makes him the special player that he is.

And :lol at anyone who thinks Manu doesn't want to be out on the court every second of every game. If the coaching staff didn't stop him, he'd play through every single minor injury, and he'd come back from major injuries 2 weeks too soon, every single time. If it wasn't for the Spurs coaching and training staff holding him back, he would've had a career-ending injury by now.

[ElNono]

From what I heard, it was just tightening -- Manu isn't quite adjusted to the pace of game play yet so he cramped/tightened up. He's not expected to miss any time, but that will be confirmed tomorrow.

Fragile! Retire!

[hater]

lol first game he starts he pulls a pussy muscle

for fucks sake manu

[vander]

it's a mild quad strain... yet some people suggest he should retire, but you don't see the 'sky is falling' overreaction... :rolleyes

And you can call Pop hysterical idiot or whatever, who cares? :lol

you need to focus
1. no one is overreacting to this injury, Manu is injury prone
2. due in large part to the Spurs sticking with Manu even after is was obvious that he was injury prone and, even when healthy, can be neutralized in the playoffs, the SKY WILL FALL, AGAIN, for the Spurs and Spurs fans in 2012.

[DMC]

Blessings in disguise are numerous this year.

[Sean Cagney]

Manu Fraginobili!!!!!!!!!!

[ElNono]

you need to focus
1. no one is overreacting to this injury, Manu is injury prone
2. due in large part to the Spurs sticking with Manu even after is was obvious that he was injury prone and, even when healthy, can be neutralized in the playoffs, the SKY WILL FALL, AGAIN, for the Spurs and Spurs fans in 2012.

:lol much to your chagrin, he's was easily the best Spur last playoffs
:lol Bonner fan talks about coming short in the playoffs
:lol hater
:lol focus

[ElNono]

Darren McGavin: Oh, fra-jeee-layy! That must be Italian!

Wife: I think that says Ginobili, honey.

McGavin: Uh, yeah.

A Christmas story! :lol

[Sean Cagney]

Darren McGavin: Oh, fra-jeee-layy! That must be Italian!

Wife: I think that says Ginobili, honey.

McGavin: Uh, yeah.

LOL after I said Fraginobili, this one is perfect follow up! HAHAHHA good shyt.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Is anyone surprised Manu is fragile at this point? He's 34 and has played 9 seasons of frenetic, smash and crash basketball. We just have to cross our fingers with his health.

[Russo21]

Trade him for a big man, to a team that wants to clear cap space for next years free agentapolooza.

Then Manu can retire gracefully.. I'd never want to see him in another uniform.

[spurbyheart]

I agree it doesn't look serious but its amazing how just touching this guy makes him injured. :lobt2:
I have $20 on a right thigh contusion...

[therealtruth]

Manu's just getting the injuries out of the way.

[spurs10]

I was sitting right there and can confirm that everyone was baffled by his departure. Then he came back and was stretching,as if he was about to play. Manu looked very badass in his 20 minutes tonight.....

[FkLA]

Bunch of haters overreacting tbh. Why would Pop insert the best player on the team back against the Washington Wizards when the Spurs are up big? It was precautionary seeing that he came back out to the bench after he went to the locker room. Im sure if the Spurs lead was seriously threatened at any point the best closer in the game wouldve came in to seal the deal. Hell be back for the next game.

[E-RockWill]

Manu's style of play = pounding
Manu = rock

"Pounding the rock"

...eventually the rock does break, but it's still a fuckin' rock...

[Bruno]

Hopefully it isn't a big deal and he will be back for the next game. Saying that, there is definitively something wrong with Manu's conditioning. That's disappointing, to say the least.

[G-Dawgg]

Typical Manu...nothing to see here.......

[will_spurs]

Why would Pop insert the best player on the team back against the Washington Wizards when the Spurs are up big?

Yeah, I wondered too why Pop was putting Parker back in the game in the 4th Q.

[urunobili]

Do y'all prefer Turnobili vs. Fraginobili?

[hater]

Is anyone surprised Manu is fragile at this point? He's 34 and has played 9 seasons of frenetic, smash and crash basketball. We just have to cross our fingers with his health.

to be fair Parker has played at more frenetic, more smash and crash and as many years. And he aint no spring chicked either.

just saying :hat

[Slippy]

You don't do a quad strech after pulling a quad. If anything , i thought that was Manu showing im ready to come back on the court if needed.

Saw an ice pack on it earlier so seems pre-cautionary.

[Dex]

Pretty sure it was just cramping as well. He looked fine the last time he walked off the court for a timeout. After they came back from commercial, he was limping to the locker room, so it seems pretty apparent that it just tightened up on him while he was on the bench / sidelines. For a guy who has been in and out so much this season, his legs probably aren't at 100% yet, so shouldn't be a huge surprise.

Not worried about it....yet.

[rascal]

Manu should have been traded after the last title. I said it then and I still say it now.

Coming back the following year after the title with the same team was not wise. Other teams were upgrading and the spurs stood still and watched other teams pass them by.

Spurs talk nation should give up the notion that Manu will lead them to another title.

[TJastal]

You had me at Bryant but then lost me at Bynum.

:lmao

[TJastal]

Bunch of haters overreacting tbh. Why would Pop insert the best player on the team back against the Washington Wizards when the Spurs are up big? It was precautionary seeing that he came back out to the bench after he went to the locker room. Im sure if the Spurs lead was seriously threatened at any point the best closer in the game wouldve came in to seal the deal. Hell be back for the next game.

This. It's a freakin' pulled muscle, nothing more.

[Kamala]

I love me some Manu. I hadn't seen him in a while. I am opposed to the shave the head since I'm going bald look. Got damn he's going to look like Ed Asner by the playoffs. Biology is a mean bitch when it comes to hair loss.

[vander]

:lol much to your chagrin, he's was easily the best Spur last playoffs


what happened in those playoffs?

[hater]

what happened in those playoffs?

Manu was hurt

[TDMVPDPOY]

whether his hurt or not, still a serviceable player compared to the diluted bench

[DesignatedT]

The fact that he will probably only play half the games in every season from here on out he is definitely not worth the 14 million he's receiving.

[ElNono]

what happened in those playoffs?

Our frontcourt got dominated and Mike Conley and Darrel Arthur looked like All Stars?

:lol the last player you can pin that series is on Manu. He even wanted to play the 1st game and Pop decided to sit him out. Haters gonna hate, tbh.

[ElNono]

Manu preparing crow flavored cookies for the haters...

http://i40.tinypic.com/mkax4i.jpg

:lol

[DPG21920]

Manu loves sweets so much he made his bones out of brittle.

-Lefty

[vander]

Our frontcourt got dominated and Mike Conley and Darrel Arthur looked like All Stars?

:lol the last player you can pin that series is on Manu. He even wanted to play the 1st game and Pop decided to sit him out. Haters gonna hate, tbh.

of the players that were/are on the Spurs, perhaps, but if we had traded him in 08 or 09, whoever we obtained probably would have helped get more wins.

there's a reason that this team seems to play so well, so in sync, without manu; and only marginally better with manu, despite manu looking good and putting up good individual numbers.

if we had traded him for someone who complemented Parker and wasn't in-and-out of the lineup all year, Spurs probably have 5, and probably never make that Jefferson trade either

[ace3g]

Jeff McDonald ‏ @JMcDonald_SAEN

Spurs calling Manu's latest ailment a hip flexor. Day-to-day. Doesn't appear as serious as the others, but we'll see.

Pop on Manu: "It’s his third attempt to get through training camp, is basically what it amounts to. He’s working through it.”

[ElNono]

of the players that were/are on the Spurs, perhaps, but if we had traded him in 08 or 09, whoever we obtained probably would have helped get more wins.

there's a reason that this team seems to play so well, so in sync, without manu; and only marginally better with manu, despite manu looking good and putting up good individual numbers.

if we had traded him for someone who complemented Parker and wasn't in-and-out of the lineup all year, Spurs probably have 5, and probably never make that Jefferson trade either

:sleep

[ElNono]

Manu questionable for Orlando on Wednesday (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/13/manu-questionable-for-orlando-on-wednesday/)

Small excerpt on Pop's thoughts...

Despite Ginobili’s run of bad luck, Popovich said he doesn’t becoming exasperated by the repeated injuries.
“Never, because it’s Manu,” Popovich said. “It’s his third attempt to get through training camp is basically what it amounts to. He’s working through it.”

Like usual, Ginobili had reported to training camp in December in peak shape. That early training — before the injuries — allowed him to start the season with a career-best 56.6 field-goal percentage after his first 13 games.
“He’s always in great shape,” Popovich said. “He got hurt. He hurt his hand and sat for a long time. Now you’re not in good shape.”

[jjktkk]

of the players that were/are on the Spurs, perhaps, but if we had traded him in 08 or 09, whoever we obtained probably would have helped get more wins.

there's a reason that this team seems to play so well, so in sync, without manu; and only marginally better with manu, despite manu looking good and putting up good individual numbers.

if we had traded him for someone who complemented Parker and wasn't in-and-out of the lineup all year, Spurs probably have 5, and probably never make that Jefferson trade either

I don't think this basketball fan thing is working out for you. Have you tried the geek zone?

[crc21209]

Manu questionable for Orlando on Wednesday (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/13/manu-questionable-for-orlando-on-wednesday/)

Small excerpt on Pop's thoughts...

Despite Ginobili’s run of bad luck, Popovich said he doesn’t becoming exasperated by the repeated injuries.
“Never, because it’s Manu,” Popovich said. “It’s his third attempt to get through training camp is basically what it amounts to. He’s working through it.”

Like usual, Ginobili had reported to training camp in December in peak shape. That early training — before the injuries — allowed him to start the season with a career-best 56.6 field-goal percentage after his first 13 games.
“He’s always in great shape,” Popovich said. “He got hurt. He hurt his hand and sat for a long time. Now you’re not in good shape.”

Doesnt sound too "questionable" to me, sounds more like probable if they arent making a big deal about it. No one seems to be talking too much about it. Plus he better play damn it, I'm going to the game tomorrow, and I already saw a game without him (The win against Dallas at home January 5th). :lol

[hater]

like ususal Manu reports in peak shape, but as usual he injures himself multiple times per season :pctoss

[DPG21920]

Nono, pop has to say that bc Manu is mentally fragile as well.

[ElNono]

Nono, pop has to say that bc Manu is mentally fragile as well.

:lol

[nkdlunch]

come playoff time, we all know who's back the Silver and Back will be riding on

[z0sa]

Fuckin Manu ...

[rascal]

come playoff time, we all know who's back the Silver and Back will be riding on

Duncan. It has always rode on Duncan.

[rascal]

:lol much to your chagrin, he's was easily the best Spur last playoffs

Stats don't support Manu as being so much better than Parker in the playoffs.

FG% 3 pts 3pt% Pts/gm A/gm R/gm
Manu .443 9-28 .321 20.6 4.2 4.0
Parker .462 1-8 .125 19.7 5.2 2.7

Parker shot a better % overall but hit 8 fewer 3 point shots in 20 less attempts.
Not like Manu was shooting lights out in comparison to Parker.

Manu scored less than a whole point more than Parker.

Assit and rebound totals are also close.

I didn't think Manu was so much better so I went to go look at the stats and they just don't support that Manu was so much better than the rest of the team. I would say Manu and Parker were close to the same.

Duncan's numbers were down and the weak interior defense(too many points in the paint) were the reasons the Spurs could not get past Memphis. As Duncan goes the Spurs go and it has always been that way.

[therealtruth]

Stats don't support Manu as being so much better than Parker in the playoffs.

FG% 3 pts 3pt% Pts/gm A/gm R/gm
Manu .443 9-28 .321 20.6 4.2 4.0
Parker .462 1-8 .125 19.7 5.2 2.7

Parker shot a better % overall but hit 8 fewer 3 point shots in 20 less attempts.
Not like Manu was shooting lights out in comparison to Parker.

Manu scored less than a whole point more than Parker.

Assit and rebound totals are also close.

I didn't think Manu was so much better so I went to go look at the stats and they just don't support that Manu was so much better than the rest of the team. I would say Manu and Parker were close to the same.

Duncan's numbers were down and the weak interior defense(too many points in the paint) were the reasons the Spurs could not get past Memphis. As Duncan goes the Spurs go and it has always been that way.

Manu had a broken elbow and all defense Tony Allen on him. Parker had Mike Conley.

[TD 21]

Somebody doesn't play sports, obviously

Yeah, you.

[ElNono]

Stats don't support Manu as being so much better than Parker in the playoffs.

FG% 3 pts 3pt% Pts/gm A/gm R/gm
Manu .443 9-28 .321 20.6 4.2 4.0
Parker .462 1-8 .125 19.7 5.2 2.7

Parker shot a better % overall but hit 8 fewer 3 point shots in 20 less attempts.
Not like Manu was shooting lights out in comparison to Parker.

Manu scored less than a whole point more than Parker.

Assit and rebound totals are also close.

I didn't think Manu was so much better so I went to go look at the stats and they just don't support that Manu was so much better than the rest of the team. I would say Manu and Parker were close to the same.

Duncan's numbers were down and the weak interior defense(too many points in the paint) were the reasons the Spurs could not get past Memphis. As Duncan goes the Spurs go and it has always been that way.

Tony vs Mike Conley Jr/Greivis Vazquez
Manu vs Tony Allen/Shane Battier

Do I need to add anything else?

[ducks]

it does not matter manu stats were what they were
I really think pop could get tired of his injuries and trade him
he does not like players getting hurt all the time
the only reason he is still here is because he is manu

[gilmor]

of the players that were/are on the Spurs, perhaps, but if we had traded him in 08 or 09, whoever we obtained probably would have helped get more wins.

there's a reason that this team seems to play so well, so in sync, without manu; and only marginally better with manu, despite manu looking good and putting up good individual numbers.

if we had traded him for someone who complemented Parker and wasn't in-and-out of the lineup all year, Spurs probably have 5, and probably never make that Jefferson trade either

You are not even close to the real truth.

Manu is by far the best player come playoffs, prob 2nd best after Duncan if you compile the stats.

Parker is Parker, he will get his dimes and stats.

But when it's playoffs, it's Manu's time..

[will_spurs]

Tony vs Mike Conley Jr/Greivis Vazquez
Manu vs Tony Allen/Shane Battier

Do I need to add anything else?

Maybe you could add something insightful, such as: the total lack of presence in the post versus the Gasol-Randolph duo completely negated Parker's main offensive weapon.

[MmP]

Not to take Manu's side but, how can you explain thiis year Tony's success with the same presence in the post?

[will_spurs]

Not to take Manu's side but, how can you explain thiis year Tony's success with the same presence in the post?

a) Splitter playing means it's not the "same presence in the post"
b) the Spurs still struggle against teams with 2 decent bigs

[hater]

Tony vs Mike Conley Jr/Greivis Vazquez
Manu vs Tony Allen/Shane Battier

Do I need to add anything else?

:lol what a terrible argument.

Conley was playing like an allstar and Vazquez is one huge guard. Parker had to work on the defensive end. They are both decent defenders so Parker had to work hard on both sides of the court.

Meanwhile Allen is a scrub and all Battier does on offense is stand around. They are great defenders but horrible offensive players. All Manu had to do is play on one side of the court.

[therealtruth]

:lol what a terrible argument.

Conley was playing like an allstar and Vazquez is one huge guard. Parker had to work on the defensive end. They are both decent defenders so Parker had to work hard on both sides of the court.

Meanwhile Allen is a scrub and all Battier does on offense is stand around. They are great defenders but horrible offensive players. All Manu had to do is play on one side of the court.

By your own words because Allen and Battier don't do much on offense they can save all their energy for defense.

[hater]

being a bad offensive player does not = not doing shit

[Spurs da champs]

being a bad offensive player does not = not doing shit

I remember Battier constantly abusing Manu in the post.

[sehui]

updates on whether hes playing tonight?

[ace3g]

Mike Monroe ‏ @Monroe_SA


@manuginobili says he is 100 percent good to go vs. Magic tonight, but waiting to see if #RealCoachPop will give him the OK

[TJastal]

Mike Monroe ‏ @Monroe_SA


@manuginobili says he is 100 percent good to go vs. Magic tonight, but waiting to see if #RealCoachPop will give him the OK

lmao @ all the panicking fools

[sehui]

Awesome, thanks for the update ace3g

[ace3g]

http://www.nba.com/spurs/video/manu-ginobili-shootaround

[Brazil]

Mike Monroe ‏ @Monroe_SA


@manuginobili says he is 100 percent good to go vs. Magic tonight, but waiting to see if #RealCoachPop will give him the OK

:tu

[ElNono]

Maybe you could add something insightful, such as: the total lack of presence in the post versus the Gasol-Randolph duo completely negated Parker's main offensive weapon.

I did point that out, tbh

[ElNono]

Conley was playing like an allstar and Vazquez is one huge guard. They are both decent defenders so Parker had to work hard on both sides of the court.

Meanwhile Allen is a scrub and all Battier does on offense is stand around.


:lol what a terrible argument.

[ElNono]

Like I said...


Non-Issue

:hat

[will_spurs]

Like I said...



:hat

Let's see him on the court first :lol

[rascal]

You are not even close to the real truth.

Manu is by far the best player come playoffs, prob 2nd best after Duncan if you compile the stats.

Parker is Parker, he will get his dimes and stats.

But when it's playoffs, it's Manu's time..

Parker was MVP of the finals so Parker has had some nice playoff series.

[DesignatedT]

What are the odds that Manu "tightens up" again tonight?

[hater]

Parker was MVP of the finals so Parker has had some nice playoff series.

sshhh don't tell Manu fan about this. According to manufan Manu was robbed in 2005 Finals :lol

[ElNono]

What are the odds that Manu "tightens up" again tonight?

As long it's just tightening... nothing to worry about, IMO. The problem is when you try to keep playing on that and end up in a muscle tear, etc.

[Josepatches_]

The only thing I hate about Tony is his fanboys. I guess there was nothing to say last 2 years when Manu led the team.


Hope Manu is 100% coming playoff time.That's enough for me.

[ace3g]

24writer ‏ @24writer

Manu Ginobili will play tonight, Danny Green will start at shooting guard. #Spurs

[DPG21920]

Hopefully Manu can make it a full game tonight. That would be huge.

[ElNono]

lock this ish