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hater
03-13-2012, 09:14 AM
African-American Vote in GOP Race Falls Below Measurable Levels
In Georgia, where African-Americans make up 31 percent of the electorate, the African-American turnout in this year's Republican primary was -- according to exit polls -- barely 3 percent of the total GOP vote on Super Tuesday.

So few African Americans voted in the Republican primary that it was impossible for the exit pollsters to determine whether Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich or Ron Paul was the favorite. The numbers are so slight that they cannot be accurately assigned, so each candidate's support level is simply identified as "N/A" -- not available.

In Michigan, where African-American citizens make up almost 15 percent of the population, the African-American turnout in this year's Republican primary was -- according to the exit polls -- barely 2 percent of the total GOP vote.

So few African Americans voted in the Republican primary that it was impossible to ascertain whether Romney, Santorum, Gingrich or Paul was preferred.

In Florida, where African-American citizens make up 16 percent of the population, the African-American turnout in this year's Republican primary was -- according to the exit polls --barely 1 percent of the total GOP vote.

As in Georgia and Michigan, the African-American participation level in the GOP primary was so low that it was impossible to determine whether Romney, Santorum, Gingrich or Paul was favored.

In South Carolina, where African-American citizens make up 28 percent of the population, the African-American turnout in this year's Republican primary was -- according to exit polls -- barely 1 percent of the total GOP vote.

And, once more, it was impossible to identify a preference for any of the Republican contenders.

Today, voters in Mississippi will go to the polls to express their preferences in the tightly-contested Republican presidential race.

Mississippi has the highest African-American population of any state in the union. Over 37 percent of all Mississippians are African Americans.

In Alabama, which also votes today, the African-American population is over 26 percent -- making it the state with the sixth highest African-American population in the country.

Will the participation rate in the Republican primaries in those states be any higher.

Don't bet on it.

Instead, let's consider why the African-American participation rate in the primaries of these states has been -- and, in all likelihood will continue to be -- so low.

Yes, of course, African-Americans have for decades tended toward the Democratic column. And, yes, the first African-American president now sits in the White House as a Democrat.

But there is more to it than that.

The asnwer to the question of why African-American turnout in GOP primaries has fallen to such low levels has at least something to do with a failure of will. For all the talk among GOP operatives and conservative pundits about how the party really is trying to reach out, there is simply no evidence from the primary voting that the efforts are paying off. Indeed, to suggest that the current crop of GOP candidates is seriously contending for the African-American vote is to deny the numbers. While all of the candidates have individual African-American supporters, none of them has made the sort of connection that Republicans once made.

And at least one of the current contenders, Mitt Romney, knows this.

He is, after all, the son of one of the most honorable Republicans of the era when the party really tried to secure a significant African-American vote -- and sometimes succeeded.

When Mitt Romney's father sought reelection for governor of Michigan in 1966, he got 30 percent of the African-American vote. Two years later, when George Romney sought the Republican nomination for the presidency, the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., reportedly praised the prospect.

Why? It was not just a matter of words. It was a matter of deeds.

As governor of Michigan, George Romney marched for, lobbied for and then signed into law civil rights legislation. After creating a state Civil Rights Commission, George Romney declaredL "We can in Michigan, on the basis of this new fundamental law, provide a leadership for every other state to follow."

At the Republican National Convention of 1964, he led the fight for a strong civil rights plank. After Barry Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, George Romney refused to support the Republican nominee for president that year.

"Whites and Negroes, in my opinion, have got to learn to know each other," George Romney argued. "Barry Goldwater didn't have any background to understand this, to fathom them, and I couldn't get through to him."

George Romney's commitment, not just to civil rights, but to building genuine bonds of familiarity and commitment across lines of race was in the tradition of the party of Abraham Lincoln.

It should go without saying that he would be horrified, absolutely horrified, that his party has degenerated to a point where its appeal to African-American voters is so slim that their sentiments cannot even be measured in states with the highest African-American populations in the nation.

The Republican Party has a rich history of connection with and commitment to the African-American electorate. That history, George Romney argued, was rooted in “basic American and Republican principles.”

That the connection has become so very frayed in this year's election campaign is striking. George Romney wanted a Republican Party that could compete at every turn with Democrats for the votes of African Americans.

Unfortunately, as George Romney's son grabs for the GOP presidential nomination that eluded his father in 1968, the numbers from the primaries suggest that George Romney's vision may well be further from reach now than it has ever been.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/166751/african-american-gop-vote-falls-below-measurable-levels

hater
03-13-2012, 09:56 AM
Looks like GOP will carry about 5% of the black vote and 15% of latino vote. Pathetic and that's being generous.

it might not be as close election as I first thought. Looks like Obama will be carried to the white house on black and brown shoulders.

"A new Fox News Latino poll of 1,200 likely Latino voters shows no Republican candidate winning more than 14 percent against President Obama in hypothetical match-ups. That's less than half of the 31 percent that Sen. John McCain won against Obama in the 2008 White House race."

http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/03/republicans-and-the-latino-vot-1.php

mercos
03-13-2012, 10:11 AM
Not surprising considering the talk coming from GOP candidates this campaign season. Whether they like it or not, anti-illegal immigration talk is seen as a veiled attack on Hispanics. Attacks on food stamp and welfare recipients are seen as veiled attacks on blacks. Republicans are stuck between a rock and a hard place. In order to fire up their base they have to piss off nearly every minority group: Hispanics, blacks, gays, you name it. This is long term political suicide as we will be a minority majority country some time in the coming decades. They really missed out on an opportunity to expand their base beyond whites against a relatively weak incumbent president.

Creepn
03-13-2012, 10:48 AM
Yeah the talk is really really bad from them. It's as if they don't want their vote.

101A
03-13-2012, 11:27 AM
Not surprising considering the talk coming from GOP candidates this campaign season. Whether they like it or not, anti-illegal immigration talk is seen as a veiled attack on Hispanics. Attacks on food stamp and welfare recipients are seen as veiled attacks on blacks. Republicans are stuck between a rock and a hard place. In order to fire up their base they have to piss off nearly every minority group: Hispanics, blacks, gays, you name it. This is long term political suicide as we will be a minority majority country some time in the coming decades. They really missed out on an opportunity to expand their base beyond whites against a relatively weak incumbent president.


So, you're saying that Republicans must be:

1. Pro Illegal Aliens? (I guess you mean pro-amnesty, and other related positions)

and

2. Be Pro Social Programs/Welfare state - completely.

or they have no ability to win any type of percentage of the minority vote.

In other words, they have to become more liberal.

I don't believe that. Specifically on social welfare programs, I have more faith in minorities than you do. I think they will eventually grasp that those programs, to a large degree, are holding them and theirs in a perpetual state of dependence and poverty. I believe that the minorities won't always be lackeys/automatic votes for the Democrat party. They will ultimately realize that what the Democrats have been selling is not good for them.

On illegal immigration, btw - Republcan rhetoric IS short sighted and blunt; they are not helping themselves with Hispanic voters - for that matter they don't help themselves with ME - (however, I don't think that's the primary reason hispanics vote Democrat)

jack sommerset
03-13-2012, 11:37 AM
If the GOP candidate was black it sure would exist!

"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”

hater
03-13-2012, 11:45 AM
Nobody is saying the GOP should go pro-illegal, pro-welfare.

But, if they do want the vote they have to be more inclusive towards blacks/browns. They could start by stopping the Obama african/muslim cartoons, the birther bullshit.

clambake
03-13-2012, 11:45 AM
cain says hi.

hater
03-13-2012, 11:49 AM
cain says hi.

Cain called blacks brainwashed minions of the democrats. I don't think this helps the cause.

clambake
03-13-2012, 11:51 AM
jacks criteria was the candidate only needed to be black. god bless

hater
03-20-2012, 01:25 PM
But I see a demographic problem for the Republicans. They are alienating too many large groups to be viable - at least in the long run.

A recent Pew poll shows Obama with an 18-point advantage over Mitt Romney with women because of the recent discussions about contraception and abortion. Polls show Latinos supporting President Obama 6-to-1 over Mitt Romney. African Americans poll something like 9-to-1 in Obama’s favor.

So if you lose blacks, women, Latinos (and Republicans have probably already lost Arab and Muslim Americas), what are you left with? You can’t win a general election with the angry, white, male vote. That’s clearly a core vote for the Republican Party but it’s not going to be enough.


http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/20/zakaria-the-republican-partys-demographics-problem/

jack sommerset
03-20-2012, 01:33 PM
jacks criteria was the candidate only needed to be black. god bless

Amen.

hitmanyr2k
03-20-2012, 01:48 PM
Herman Cain was a black Republican and I doubt he would have courted much of the black or latino vote...not with his dumbass comments about blacks being minions and electric fences for hispanics. It's not just about the color of your skin. Republicans are just too fuckin dumb :lol

Agloco
03-20-2012, 01:52 PM
lol Cain.

CosmicCowboy
03-20-2012, 03:13 PM
I still question the assumption that legal hispanics automatically support amnesty for illegal hispanics.

hater
03-20-2012, 03:20 PM
I still question the assumption that legal hispanics automatically support amnesty for illegal hispanics.

who said they do?

what I can assure they don't support is an electrified fence and sending abuelita back

DMC
03-20-2012, 05:20 PM
I know a lot of hispanics and almost all of them are against illegal immigration.

NewcastleKEG
03-20-2012, 11:26 PM
So, you're saying that Republicans must be:

1. Pro Illegal Aliens? (I guess you mean pro-amnesty, and other related positions)

and

2. Be Pro Social Programs/Welfare state - completely.

or they have no ability to win any type of percentage of the minority vote.

In other words, they have to become more liberal.

I don't believe that. Specifically on social welfare programs, I have more faith in minorities than you do. I think they will eventually grasp that those programs, to a large degree, are holding them and theirs in a perpetual state of dependence and poverty. I believe that the minorities won't always be lackeys/automatic votes for the Democrat party. They will ultimately realize that what the Democrats have been selling is not good for them.

On illegal immigration, btw - Republcan rhetoric IS short sighted and blunt; they are not helping themselves with Hispanic voters - for that matter they don't help themselves with ME - (however, I don't think that's the primary reason hispanics vote Democrat)
Right, the poor should do the rightful thing & give their share to the 1%

Maybe then the wealthy will invite them to the dinner table. Hilarious

Jacob1983
03-21-2012, 01:07 AM
Democrats own minorities because Democrats support hand outs and affirmative action. Republicans don't so of course they are labeled as being racist. And if you oppose illegal immigration, you're either a racist and/or xenophobe which I've never really understood. I don't get how you can be a xenophobe if you support legal immigration.

Wild Cobra
03-21-2012, 02:11 AM
I know a lot of hispanics and almost all of them are against illegal immigration.
Same here.

Most people don't appreciate or respect those who cut in line, except for others with the same lack of ethics.

Wild Cobra
03-21-2012, 02:12 AM
Democrats own minorities because Democrats support hand outs and affirmative action. Republicans don't so of course they are labeled as being racist. And if you oppose illegal immigration, you're either a racist and/or xenophobe which I've never really understood. I don't get how you can be a xenophobe if you support legal immigration.

Well said.

Jacob1983
03-21-2012, 02:39 AM
Cage the Elephant had it right. There ain't nothing in this world for free.

hater
03-21-2012, 12:42 PM
Same here.

Most people don't appreciate or respect those who cut in line, except for others with the same lack of ethics.

depends who. 3rd, 4th generation mexicans probably are more conservative than most Republicans.

But if you ask 1st or 2nd generation latinos. They are cool with having some wetbacks come and make a better life for themselves.