Buford expects another roster move will be made

[Spursfan092120]

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/03/15/buford-expects-another-roster-move-to-be-made/

[Das Texan]

Well no shit. Being that you gotta have 13 players on your roster

[BackHome]

Well it is either going to be Diaw or some PG.....

[Bruno]

Spurs have two weeks to sign a 13th player but it shouldn't take that long since Eric Dawson should be signed this Friday.

[SenorSpur]

I'd rather see Kaman as that addition.

[SenorSpur]

I'd much rather see Kaman as that addition.

[Bruno]

I'd much rather see Kaman as that addition.

Kaman likely won't be bough out:
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/03/new_orleans_hornets_gm_dell_de_5.html

[SenorSpur]

Kaman likely won't be bough out:
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/03/new_orleans_hornets_gm_dell_de_5.html

So much for that pipe dream caca.

Thanks for posting.

[Redshadows]

Who is better? Turiaf or Diaw?

[Drewlius]

Who is better? Turiaf or Diaw?

Diaw.

[underdawg]

Spurs have two weeks to sign a 13th player but it shouldn't take that long since Eric Dawson should be signed this Friday.

why not pick up chris johnson or bring up julian wight while they wait for diaw?

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs have inside track on Diaw, they are also kicking the tires on Oden for next year.

Do you have a link?

[Bruno]

why not pick up chris johnson or bring up julian wight while they wait for diaw?

Well, there are a lot of different players Spurs can try. It seem that they will at first try again Dawson. Spurs have up to 3 roster spots to fill. Even if one end up being taken by Diaw or another bought out player, Spurs can still try other players. For example, it's likely that they will fill one of these 3 roster spots with a PG.

[GSH]

The Spurs still need a backup PG. If Houston buys out Derek Fisher, don't be surprised if the Spurs try to pick him up. He's smart and experienced enough for Pop to actually use him in the playoffs. He still defends well. And even though he's not the player he once was, he won't get caught in those traps like CoJo, and cough the ball up. And he won't let the offense grind completely to a halt. He may not win games for you, but he's not going to lose them either.

I know a lot of people hate him just because he was a Laker. But I would feel a lot better if he was on the roster right now, and Joseph was safely back in the D-League.

[DPG21920]

He does not defend well, GSH.

[Hoops Czar]

He doesn't do anything well GSH

[GSH]

He does not defend well, GSH.

Difference of opinion. That damned belly-bump thing he does out above the 3P line has cause our guards (and a lot of others) a world of trouble. He's disruptive as hell. I know he's lost a step, but I still think he's a better defender than he gets credit for. But I know that going against conventional wisdom is going to draw a lot of fire.

Still, I'd rather have a smart, experienced backup PG than one who belongs in the D-League.

[Leetonidas]

Derek Fisher defends well? :lmao :lmao What the fuck??? Is this real life?? :lmao

[GSH]

He doesn't do anything well GSH

Oh, now that's just horseshit. The Lakers aren't going to win a title with him starting, and they know it. But as a backup? Don't throw out stupid shit like that.

[GSH]

Derek Fisher defends well? :lmao :lmao What the fuck??? Is this real life?? :lmao

Aren't you the same person who said that Diaw could play the Horry role that we've been missing? Don't even fucking talk about real life.

Fisher is slower than he used to be. But at least he knows what he's doing, and he's hard-nosed. I never said he was a defensive stopper. But compared to what else we're gonna get as a backup PG? Yeah, he defends well.

[Hoops Czar]

Oh, now that's just horseshit. The Lakers aren't going to win a title with him starting, and they know it. But as a backup? Don't throw out stupid shit like that.

What do you want me to say? He's a traffic cone on defense, shoots 38% from two, 32% from three on offense, he's extremely s-l-o-w, and now you want him to learn a brand new offense at the ripe age of 37........ not me.

[Leetonidas]

butthurt :lol

[T Park]

Fisher would be fantastic for 14 15 minutes a night.

He can run the offense, he can still knock down a shot, and at the end of the season if everything is wrapped up, he can be counted on for 28 30 mins and then Cory Joseph.

Also it never hurts to have too many good locker room championship influences. Especially on guys like Leonard, Blair, Joseph.

Jackson helps, Fisher would be a coup.

[Leetonidas]

tbh though as a backup PG I would say yes to Fisher for cheap, probably the best backup PG available and we need one

[T Park]

tbh though as a backup PG I would say yes to Fisher for cheap, probably the best backup PG available and we need one

Its like Horry in 2003, a no brainer.

[ElNono]

Agree with Bruno that Fish is at a stage in his career where it would be difficult for him to accept a very diminished role. He was the starting point guard of the Lakers just two days ago.

I actually think the Lakers had to trade him because they just didn't want to deal with telling him he was going to be the 3rd PG in LA.

[MI21]

I'm of the firm belief Fisher was put on this earth to fuck the Spurs, so I would have to say no to him. One way or another he would find a way to do it whilst being part of the team.

[GSH]

I forget how many fucktards read headlines, but don't actually watch the games. Here's an article from ESPN that says it pretty well. I don't have the time or the inclination to argue with dumb shit people tonight. Read it or not. Believe it or not. But don't be surprised if the Spurs try to sign him if he gets bought out.
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Derek Fisher is a pretty serious guy, particularly when it comes to people pointing out those (generally age related) deficiencies in his game. So it wasn't surprising, after winning Wednesday's game against the Clippers with a last second drive past rookie Eric Bledsoe, he poked one of the most prominent "Fisher sucks!" criticisms with a pointy, game-winning, hero stick.

"I've been in that situation before," he said, interjecting into his own very well-detailed breakdown of how the play developed. "Many of you have documented how easily guys get around me at the top of the floor. When you're in the middle of the floor, and a guy can go left or right regardless of what hand he is, it's a very tough spot to be in. I'm not as fast as they come, obviously, and I can get around a guy if I have the ball on the top of the floor, in the middle like that."

After every game, we get complaints about Fisher's inability to stay in front of "quick point guards," and how the quick ones consistently tie the Lakers in knots. But it's not really quick point guards who hurt the Lakers, but good ones, and most of the good ones are quick. The reason has less to do with Fisher's relative lack of agility than the team's shortcomings defending the pick and roll and in transition. (Fisher, it should be noted, is one of the team's more effective players at disrupting the opposition's break, whether by taking a charge or dropping to the right level to break up a pass.) I once asked Aaron Brooks, as quick as any player in the league, if he was quick enough to guard himself. He said no. Brooks can't guard Brooks, Rajon Rondo can't guard Rajon Rondo, and so on.

Many aren't quick enough to guard Fisher, especially off a screen, or even in the open floor, as Wednesday's final sequence demonstrated. He's not (last night's stunner notwithstanding) a quality finisher near the bucket, but the guy gets into the paint all the time. More than many fans would like. And he's almost certainly the slowest starting PG in the NBA.

The point isn't that Fisher is some all-world defender who just as strong on the ball as his strongest colleagues, just that this particular criticism is overblown. He has weaknesses defensively along with strengths, but it's as a collective where the Lakers succeed or fail keeping points off the board and Fisher's understanding of those mechanics are his greatest asset as a defender. If he were such a destructive force, there's no way the Lakers could have posted such strong defensive numbers over the last two seasons. In reality, when he hurts the team Fisher almost always does so on offense, whether with questionable attacks of the rack, the more than occasional P.U.J.I.T. (pull up jumper in transition), or what has over the course of his career been a low shooting percentage.

But he certainly makes big shots, no question. Nor is he afraid to stick up for himself, and did so Wednesday after a moment of strength and triumph, meaning he doesn't just have ice water in his veins, but an impeccable sense of timing. Maybe his inspirational speeches aren't the only reason teammates believe he could have a career in higher office?

[Leetonidas]

lol quoting ESPN

[Hoops Czar]

Then why would the Lakers want to give all that up?

[GSH]

lol quoting ESPN

Translation: Reading is not my strong suit, so I'm just gonna fire back something and put lol in front.

B'bye.

[Mugen]

i fucking hate Fish. Absolutely hate that dirty piece of shit. Just like I hated Horry pre-2004.

But...he'd be a damn good backup pg on this team for 10-15 mins :toast

[Ditty]

I agree with GSH, depending on matchups, against the slower backup point guards, and undersized shooting guards he could possibly defend those positions. He can still run a offense, and still give 110% on defensive end, and of course knock down a 3. I can't remember a point guard who can knock down the 3 still efficiently, and Pop would probably love him for that.

[T Park]

Then why would the Lakers want to give all that up?

Somethin called a luxury tax...

[ElNono]

Derek Fisher has gotten old and slow. There's no two ways to look at it. That said, he would be mostly playing against the other's team backup PG, so it's debatable whether that matters much.

The biggest issue with Fish this season is that his top offensive asset, the 3 point shot, has taken a nosedive. He's only shooting 32% from downtown. As much as Neal has struggled with his shot, he's still shooting a decent 38%...

[Leetonidas]

Translation: Reading is not my strong suit, so I'm just gonna fire back something and put lol in front.

B'bye.

soooo butthurt :lol

[GSH]

Somethin called a luxury tax...

That, coupled with the fact that they have other second-tier PG's. They don't feel like they dropped off at PG by trading him, but they could upgrade the team going forward by bringing in Ramon Sessions, because of his age. Not that hard to understand.

If the Spurs needed a starting PG, bringing in Fisher would be stupid. And since we have Tony, bringing in Sessions would be stupid too. But it made sense for the Lakers.

[Hoops Czar]

Somethin called a luxury tax...

Right. Let me rephrase that... why keep blake over Fisher?

[BackHome]

I like getting players who have a chip on the shoulders and the way the Flakers let him go make me like. You know he is going to play his heart out against the Flakers if we play them and I sure as hell don't want CJ/Smiley as our backup PG..

[GSH]

Derek Fisher has gotten old and slow. There's no two ways to look at it. That said, he would be mostly playing against the other's team backup PG, so it's debatable whether that matters much.

The biggest issue with Fish this season is that his top offensive asset, the 3 point shot, has taken a nosedive. He's only shooting 32% from downtown. As much as Neal has struggled with his shot, he's still shooting a decent 38%...

I can't argue with that. He's not the player he used to be. The problem with Neal is that he has really struggled when teams bring a trap (which they do often when he's at the point). I know he's improved some, but it's still a problem. Fisher doesn't have that problem.

I don't think there's any doubt that Fisher can run the offense better than Neal. He's a true point, and he's been doing it a long time. Comparing them as players is a little rough - they're two different animals. But let me ask you this:

If we were in a playoff game, and Parker was just absolutely gassed. It's a close game, and you just need to bring someone in to make sure the game doesn't get away from you before you put Tony back in - would you want it to be Neal or Fisher? Maybe more to the point, would Pop want it to be Neal or Fisher?

[GSH]

Right. Let me rephrase that... why keep blake over Fisher?

How about just letting Mitch Kupchak explain it:

Kupchak said that once the Lakers had a deal in place to obtain Sessions, whom the GM admitted the team has coveted since last season, he pursued the Houston trade to unload Fisher because it would not make sense -- rosterwise or financially -- to have four point guards with Sessions, Fisher, Steve Blake and rookie Darius Morris.

Kupchak said a consideration also was made regarding how awkward a potential transition would have been to keep Fisher and have him accept a supporting role behind Sessions after Fisher's years of starting.

"I know he would have been professional," Kupchak said. "Personally, I think it would have been a tough position to put a player like him in ... It's just hard to do."

Kupchak characterized the trades as "something that we did as an organization, trying to get younger and more athletic."


We need him as a backup. Having him as a backup there was problematic.

[Hoops Czar]

I can't argue with that. He's not the player he used to be. The problem with Neal is that he has really struggled when teams bring a trap (which they do often when he's at the point). I know he's improved some, but it's still a problem. Fisher doesn't have that problem.

I don't think there's any doubt that Fisher can run the offense better than Neal. He's a true point, and he's been doing it a long time. Comparing them as players is a little rough - they're two different animals. But let me ask you this:

If we were in a playoff game, and Parker was just absolutely gassed. It's a close game, and you just need to bring someone in to make sure the game doesn't get away from you before you put Tony back in - would you want it to be Neal or Fisher? Maybe more to the point, would Pop want it to be Neal or Fisher?

That's what Ginobili's for.

[ElNono]

I can't argue with that. He's not the player he used to be. The problem with Neal is that he has really struggled when teams bring a trap (which they do often when he's at the point). I know he's improved some, but it's still a problem. Fisher doesn't have that problem.

I don't think there's any doubt that Fisher can run the offense better than Neal. He's a true point, and he's been doing it a long time. Comparing them as players is a little rough - they're two different animals. But let me ask you this:

If we were in a playoff game, and Parker was just absolutely gassed. It's a close game, and you just need to bring someone in to make sure the game doesn't get away from you before you put Tony back in - would you want it to be Neal or Fisher? Maybe more to the point, would Pop want it to be Neal or Fisher?

It would be Gino, and he's with the Spurs...

[GSH]

That's what Ginobili's for.

Yes, and Diaw would play the Horry role. I know. You're just full of wisdom.

or something



It would be Gino, and he's with the Spurs...

Problem solved. Backup? We don't need no steenking backup.

[ElNono]

Heck, I would want the ball in Manu's hands even if Tony isn't gassed... :lol

[GSH]

Spurs can still try other players. For example, it's likely that they will fill one of these 3 roster spots with a PG.

Nope. We already have Ginobili. :D

[baseline bum]

Man, I would love to have Fisher; a great leader and one of the great clutch shooters of all-time. I'd love to see him in the 03 Kerr role of outside shooting off the bench when the other guards aren't getting it done or are in foul trouble. Plus Corey Joseph is flat-out not an option this season.

[BackHome]

or next season.

[GSH]

Right. Let me rephrase that... why keep blake over Fisher?

Sorry - I left out one paragraph from Kupchak, that was farther down the page, and finishes his thoughts on why to trade Fisher:

"Even though we made two separate deals today, you kind of have to look at it as one big deal," Kupchak said. "One deal was designed to bring a player here and the other deal was designed to make it easier for the player you're bringing to succeed, and on some level make it easier on the player that he's replacing to continue with a career or the effect in the locker room."


The Lakers literally didn't feel like they could keep Fisher as a backup. I, for one, would love to have him as a backup. I'm guessing the Spurs FO would, too.

[BackHome]

Spurs have two weeks to sign a 13th player but it shouldn't take that long since Eric Dawson should be signed this Friday.

Bruno....you had me there for a second....I thought you were serious about Dawson..lol...:rollin

[Hoops Czar]

Sorry - I left out one paragraph from Kupchak, that was farther down the page, and finishes his thoughts on why to trade Fisher:

"Even though we made two separate deals today, you kind of have to look at it as one big deal," Kupchak said. "One deal was designed to bring a player here and the other deal was designed to make it easier for the player you're bringing to succeed, and on some level make it easier on the player that he's replacing to continue with a career or the effect in the locker room."


The Lakers literally didn't feel like they could keep Fisher as a backup. I, for one, would love to have him as a backup. I'm guessing the Spurs FO would, too.

Then your going to have to set up your priorities. I see Fisher as a luxury but not a nessessity. They need to make a serious push for Diaw or possibly Kaman before they can even think about tapping into funds for a backup PG.

[Borosai]

As long as Fisher-to-the-Spurs-via-the-Rockets isn't a genius sabotage effort by the Lakers, I think he would be a solid addition if he's willing to play behind Parker.

[GSH]

Then your going to have to set up your priorities. I see Fisher as a luxury but not a nessessity. They need to make a serious push for Diaw or possibly Kaman before they can even think about tapping into funds for a backup PG.

No question the Spurs need another big. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

Do you know how cheap Fisher is likely to be? A veteran player who signs a one-year minimum deal? The league pays for everything in excess of $850K. Then pro-rate that $850K for half of the season. He wouldn't cost shit for the remainder of the season.

[mercos]

Derek Fisher was one of the those guys I always hated on the Lakers, but I would take him in a second if he became available and was willing to be a backup. You can't teach clutch. He would fit perfectly on the Spurs. He could run the offense and stretch the defense with his three point shooting, even if it has fallen off lately. Lest we all forget we have won titles before after acquiring former prominent clutch Laker players....

I understand the Lakers reasoning behind getting rid of him, but I still think it was foolish. Their biggest mistake was allowing him to be the starter at the beginning of the season. They should have found a replacement before the season started and have him coming off the bench from the beginning. The guy has all the intangibles and would make a perfect backup in limited minutes.

[TDMVPDPOY]

minimum risk move , greg oden for his 6 fouls in limited minutes....doesnt hurt us when we can just dump him end of the bench, we only need a big who can defend and reb...the wing players can pickup the offensive

[TDMVPDPOY]

antonio daniels is doing nothing atm...why not relive 03?

how about gilbert arenas? whats wrong with him besides the guns?

[GSH]

minimum risk move , greg oden for his 6 fouls in limited minutes....doesnt hurt us when we can just dump him end of the bench, we only need a big who can defend and reb...the wing players can pickup the offensive


antonio daniels is doing nothing atm...why not relive 03?

how about gilbert arenas? whats wrong with him besides the guns?

Oden is out. Kaput. No games. If he can make a Grant Hill type of comeback, I'll applaud him. But it can't happen this year.

Antonio Daniels is playing in the D-League because he loves the game. I don't think even he believes he's going to get a call-up.

There's nothing wrong with Arenas that isn't wrong with Iverson and Stephon Marbury. Well, okay - not much.

[angelbelow]

Fisher for the minimum would be pretty cool. At the same time, I hear this everyday:

"I love Fisher but he fucking sucks!!!"

But its no secret we need a back up PG and there are few out there with Fishers on court/off court resume.

[Duncan2177]

I wouldn't mind seeing fish face with the spurs.

[ChumpDumper]

Lester Hudson is now showing up on the Toros roster. Maybe they're thinking of calling up Dentmon. Can't see them passing on a vet like Carter if he's available though.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Carter and Diaw ( or in the best case Kaman ), would be fantastic.

[++SaiNt TiAg0++]

Gsh sold me i read all the comments, and tried to convince myself why we shouldnt get him and the only reason i have is what if it is just all too much for the ol guy i mean shit the little fish says his fav shot is of course S.A!! everyone says were boring yet they are completely obsessed with us in genera.

anyway imagine a guy like manu leavig us at 37 do you think he would have the..( ready 4 the mex wrd~) GANAS to knock out your team finding yourself in one of the biggest ugliest playoff rivals ever!!i mean that hurts hearing how they didnt sit him down & discuss their trade plans whtsoever, HOWEVER! something isnt being said, they have to know that houston is 3hrs away from the mighty alamo and make no mistake they thought about this trade and all possibilities. one good thing is if he was to come and be an undercover laker spur player the CIA pop will snuff his ass.

so yeah i think 10- 15 minutes a game will make him play way determined and increase his speed b/c 37 w/husky stature is hard to stay light. esp if you not bipolar like manu lol good night spurs family!

[Seventyniner]

No to Fisher. He would take minutes from Neal.

[silverblackfan]

Can't get over the grudge. I don't want to see Fisher get another ring, especially via the Spurs. I also don't think he is the solution. We got a lot of clutch players now - Manu, Tim, Tony, Neal, Jax. We are good enough in that department.

[bklynspursfan]

Masai Ujiri said "Turiaf will be waived to make room for Wilson Chandler, who Masai thinks could be signed in nxt 2 days"

Haven't seen Turiaf play much lately, but I think I'd prefer him than Diaw. Seems like Turiaf will at least contest and block shots, and that's something we really need. Another French connection

[Texas_Ranger]

Turiaf doesn't look really that good right now. Playing in Golden State and NY didn't help him. It would still be good to have him, but Diaw and Kaman are first two choices. It sucks that Kaman will probably stay in NO... Then we need a backup PG. Neal is doing OK, but still I'd like to see some veteran playmaker on our bench. Carter, Daniels or even Fisher if he gets bought out would look good.

[bklynspursfan]

Turiaf doesn't look really that good right now. Playing in Golden State and NY didn't help him. It would still be good to have him, but Diaw and Kaman are first two choices. It sucks that Kaman will probably stay in NO... Then we need a backup PG. Neal is doing OK, but still I'd like to see some veteran playmaker on our bench. Carter, Daniels or even Fisher if he gets bought out would look good.

Personally, I would like a guy like Carter. He's solid defensively and knows how to come in and run the offense. Does suck about Kaman, but I would hope playing for a better team would inspire Turiaf (if he did come here) Diaw doesn't really add anything that we don't have already. He can stretch the floor, and wouldn't say he rebounds particularly well. At least Turiaf can bring shot blocking/change shots

[hater]

Turiaff is trash

[Bruno]

Lester Hudson is now showing up on the Toros roster. Maybe they're thinking of calling up Dentmon. Can't see them passing on a vet like Carter if he's available though.

I saw the Lester Hudson signing yesterday and I'm somewhat intrigued by it. He was great in China (I know it's China). If he turns out as being more of a PG than Dentmon, I wouldn't be surprised to see Hudson being the one called up by Spurs.

Marcus Williams (not the former Spur) could also be a good option when he will finish his season in China.

[urunobili]

Turiaf>Diaw

[Agloco]

Buford expects another roster move will be made

For someone under 6'9" no doubt.

[TJastal]

Lakers just majorly bolstered their team with Sessions and Jordan Hill while spurs discuss Justin Dentmon and a fat french blob.

smh

[tuncaboylu]

Lakers just majorly bolstered their team with Sessions and Jordan Hill while spurs discuss Justin Dentmon and a fat french blob.

smh

They gave up 1 first rounder for each.

[Spursfan092120]

@Monroe_SA: My view: Won'[t take Spurs even 0.4 sec. to make move to get him RT @Jonathan_Feigen Morey will not address Derek Fisher. Expect buyout

[jjktkk]

Lakers just majorly bolstered their team with Sessions and Jordan Hill while spurs discuss Justin Dentmon and a fat french blob.

smh

Unless your a brand new fan of the Spurs, I don't understand how you can be shaking your head at the reason why the Lakers have more assets to make player personnel moves than the Spurs. smh.

[TJastal]

Difference of opinion. That damned belly-bump thing he does out above the 3P line has cause our guards (and a lot of others) a world of trouble. He's disruptive as hell. I know he's lost a step, but I still think he's a better defender than he gets credit for. But I know that going against conventional wisdom is going to draw a lot of fire.

Still, I'd rather have a smart, experienced backup PG than one who belongs in the D-League.

Fisher's get out of jail free card just expired. His bag of tricks won't fly as a spur. If he flops he'll be whistled for blocking fouls, if he slaps at the ball he'll be whistled for fouls. If he shoves Brent Barry out on the 3 point line he'll be whistled for a foul. Starting to see a pattern here?

[TJastal]

Unless your a brand new fan of the Spurs, I don't understand how you can be shaking your head at the reason why the Lakers have more assets to make player personnel moves than the Spurs. smh.

:lmao @ calling Fisher "an asset"

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Don't you guys realize just how bad Turiaf is??? He is awful. I get you guys want height, but we need contributors, not liabilities. He would easily be the second to last worst player on our team. Right there in front of Joseph. And that is the honest truth. If we could get Diaw, Diaw could actually contribute. I hear Diaw is in bad shape? Well, maybe he would be motivated to try and win a title with the Spurs. Diaw in shape is a very solid player! He could really help us if he got into shape and came hungry. No pun intended.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Is it just me or are people overrating the Lakers trade deadline moves?

I mean, they upgraded the PG position, but it's just Ramon Sessions who doesn't shoot well anyway. Jordan Hill is a nice prospect, but I can't see either of those players making the Lakers "significantly" better like a lot of the press is stating. Better yes, but nothing major.

[lmbebo]

Diaw > Turiaf. Don't know why we can't have both? Turiaf is 6 fouls and adds some height to team. I wouldn't expect him to contribute unless needed.

Also read Turiaf may be injured too?

[Obstructed_View]

Fish wouldn't be my first choice for a starting point guard, but it's tough to make a case against him as a backup, and you know he's going to be able to hold the fort if Parker gets banged up. Clutch gene would also be nice.

For those of you whining about his three point percentage, it's quite a bit different when Shaq's the focal point of the offense from when Kobe's the focal point of the offense. At least we know he's used to not getting many shots. He might just be happy to touch the ball when he's on the floor for a change.

[TJastal]

Don't you guys realize just how bad Turiaf is??? He is awful. I get you guys want height, but we need contributors, not liabilities. He would easily be the second to last worst player on our team. Right there in front of Joseph. And that is the honest truth. If we could get Diaw, Diaw could actually contribute. I hear Diaw is in bad shape? Well, maybe he would be motivated to try and win a title with the Spurs. Diaw in shape is a very solid player! He could really help us if he got into shape and came hungry. No pun intended.

Spurs should hire Jenny Craig with some of the savings from the RJ/SJax swap.

[Obstructed_View]

Is it just me or are people overrating the Lakers trade deadline moves?

I mean, they upgraded the PG position, but it's just Ramon Sessions who doesn't shoot well anyway. Jordan Hill is a nice prospect, but I can't see either of those players making the Lakers "significantly" better like a lot of the press is stating. Better yes, but nothing major.

Fans rarely make good objective reporters, and most of the reporters are Laker fans.

[Obstructed_View]

Diaw is not only out of shape, he's really really dumb. But he is tall...

[jjktkk]

:lmao @ calling Fisher "an asset"

Huh? Where in my post did I mention Fisher? I replied to this particular moronic take of yours:


Lakers just majorly bolstered their team with Sessions and Jordan Hill while spurs discuss Justin Dentmon and a fat french blob.

smh

[TJastal]

Fish wouldn't be my first choice for a starting point guard, but it's tough to make a case against him as a backup, and you know he's going to be able to hold the fort if Parker gets banged up. Clutch gene would also be nice.

For those of you whining about his three point percentage, it's quite a bit different when Shaq's the focal point of the offense from when Kobe's the focal point of the offense. At least we know he's used to not getting many shots. He might just be happy to touch the ball when he's on the floor for a change.

Spurs don't need Fisher, they have Gary Neal for that clutch shooting already. What they could use is another small quick guard who can defend small quick guards (esp in P&R) for when Parker is resting. This is probably Fisher's worst attribute.

[Agloco]

I don't know how anyone could give a thumbs down to acquiring Fish, especially given the circumstances.

[cheguevara]

Turiaf>Diaw

the guy that couldn't even break into Wizards rotation?

[Leetonidas]

Lakers just majorly bolstered their team with Sessions and Jordan Hill while spurs discuss Justin Dentmon and a fat french blob.

smh

Do you even watch basketball :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[TJastal]

I don't know how anyone could give a thumbs down to acquiring Fish, especially given the circumstances.

Because he's washed up and can't defend worth a salt anymore. Now take away his special bag of tricks that only works in a purple and gold uniform and this guy's defense really gets ugly.

[cheguevara]

Because he's washed up and can't defend worth a salt anymore. Now take away his special bag of tricks that only works in a purple and gold uniform and this guy's defense really gets ugly.

:toast

[Agloco]

Because he's washed up and can't defend worth a salt anymore. Now take away his special bag of tricks that only works in a purple and gold uniform and this guy's defense really gets ugly.


:toast

Yeah yeah, I'll give you this. The alternative is Neal running point for stretches. Is Fishs D uglier than that?

I think the Spurs need to quit playing people out of position and get bodies in their customary positions.

[jjktkk]

Do you even watch basketball :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao




I've been limited to what games TNT and NBATV have shown.


I've read every single Timvp grade thread, and I feel that's almost as good as watching a game tbh.

[DPG21920]

I agree with Amused. Lakers moves were solid but not spectacular at all. They got better basketball-wise and shed some salary which makes them good moves, but they surrendered both their draft picks for pretty low value (not with regards to their savings, but what teams paid to get them).

Sessions is definitely an upgrade over Fisher physically and skill wise at this point, but he's still an unknown with regards to how he will play under the pressure of LA. Not to mention and PG in LA's system is going to be somewhat muted since Kobe takes more shots than any player in the NBA and requires the ball in his hands a lot. Sessions should help them defensively however.

Jordan Hill is arguably better than Murphy/McRoberts & even if not he adds some big man depth, but it's not some game changer (at least on paper at this point).

I get they were able to turn one rotational player into potentially 2 and save some money, but it came at a cost (2 first rounders) and it wasn't a huge jump basketball wise.

[TJastal]

I agree with Amused. Lakers moves were solid but not spectacular at all. They got better basketball-wise and shed some salary which makes them good moves, but they surrendered both their draft picks for pretty low value (not with regards to their savings, but what teams paid to get them).

Sessions is definitely an upgrade over Fisher physically and skill wise at this point, but he's still an unknown with regards to how he will play under the pressure of LA. Not to mention and PG in LA's system is going to be somewhat muted since Kobe takes more shots than any player in the NBA and requires the ball in his hands a lot. Sessions should help them defensively however.

Jordan Hill is arguably better than Murphy/McRoberts & even if not he adds some big man depth, but it's not some game changer (at least on paper at this point).

I get they were able to turn one rotational player into potentially 2 and save some money, but it came at a cost (2 first rounders) and it wasn't a huge jump basketball wise.

I see it as a significant upgrade.

Sessions has been averaging 11 and 5 in 24 minutes, and more importantly he's more than a decade younger than Fisher. Trying to argue that he somehow will be intimidated by the lights and pressure reeks of butthurt. You know damn well you wish the spurs had acquired him.

[jjktkk]

I agree with Amused. Lakers moves were solid but not spectacular at all. They got better basketball-wise and shed some salary which makes them good moves, but they surrendered both their draft picks for pretty low value (not with regards to their savings, but what teams paid to get them).

Sessions is definitely an upgrade over Fisher physically and skill wise at this point, but he's still an unknown with regards to how he will play under the pressure of LA. Not to mention and PG in LA's system is going to be somewhat muted since Kobe takes more shots than any player in the NBA and requires the ball in his hands a lot. Sessions should help them defensively however.

Jordan Hill is arguably better than Murphy/McRoberts & even if not he adds some big man depth, but it's not some game changer (at least on paper at this point).

I get they were able to turn one rotational player into potentially 2 and save some money, but it came at a cost (2 first rounders) and it wasn't a huge jump basketball wise.

The Lakers improved with their trades, but one aspect no one has mentioned, is who fills the learship void left by Fisher?

[Leetonidas]

I see it as a significant upgrade.

Sessions has been averaging 11 and 5 in 24 minutes, and more importantly he's more than a decade younger than Fisher. Trying to argue that he somehow will be intimidated by the lights and pressure reeks of butthurt. You know damn well you wish the spurs had acquired him.

Not really, but then again we're not in the dire PG situation Lakers were in. Sessions will be an upgrade over Fisher, but that's not saying anything. :lol And you think Jordan Hill is significant piece shows you don't know what you're talking about

[T Park]

I see it as a significant upgrade.

Sessions has been averaging 11 and 5 in 24 minutes, and more importantly he's more than a decade younger than Fisher. Trying to argue that he somehow will be intimidated by the lights and pressure reeks of butthurt. You know damn well you wish the spurs had acquired him.

Sessions is a PG who needs the ball in his hands to thrive. He will do well when Bryant is on the bench, but when the Colorado creep is back on the court, he will struggle.

[TJastal]

The Lakers improved with their trades, but one aspect no one has mentioned, is who fills the learship void left by Fisher?

Bynum and Gasol most likely. Just a guess.

[DPG21920]

I see it as a significant upgrade.

Sessions has been averaging 11 and 5 in 24 minutes, and more importantly he's more than a decade younger than Fisher. Trying to argue that he somehow will be intimidated by the lights and pressure reeks of butthurt. You know damn well you wish the spurs had acquired him.

This is a silly post. You are a silly poster.

[gospursgojas]

I see it as a significant upgrade.

Sessions has been averaging 11 and 5 ON THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS in 24 minutes, and more importantly he's more than a decade younger than Fisher. Trying to argue that he somehow will be intimidated by the lights and pressure reeks of butthurt. You know damn well you wish the spurs had acquired him.

[TJastal]

Sessions is a PG who needs the ball in his hands to thrive. He will do well when Bryant is on the bench, but when the Colorado creep is back on the court, he will struggle.

I think Sessions just due to his skilll set will naturally end up with the ball in his hands and expected to create offense. It's got to happen sooner or later, Kobe is getting old.

And to be quite honest, Sessions' job will be fairly easy and nothing he hasn't been doing for the past 4-5 years. He'll hit the occassionally spot up 3 (like Fisher always did) but give the lakers so much more. He'll defend the opposing team's point guards much better, and really help in creating offense in the half court sets. Plus he'll be better at feeding teammates, esp Bynum and Gasol (and Kobe too).

[Obstructed_View]

Spurs don't need Fisher, they have Gary Neal for that clutch shooting already. What they could use is another small quick guard who can defend small quick guards (esp in P&R) for when Parker is resting. This is probably Fisher's worst attribute.

Gary Neal is not a point guard. I don't know if you've been watching all the times he settles for a circus shot rather than hitting an open teammate, but those shots are not going to go in forever. He's been great filling in, I give him all the credit for that. Not only will that be insufficient in the playoffs, it won't be that useful once Manu goes back to the starting lineup and you actually need someone to initiate the offense alongside Danny Green. Fisher might not be the defender he once was, nor do I think he was ever a great defender, but he is an upgrade defensively over TJ Ford, Cory Joseph and Gary Neal.

You can't defend small quick guards with a small quick guard or Joseph wouldn't be in Austin. That requires team defense. It's the main reason I don't expect the Lakers' defense to improve with Fisher gone.

[Obstructed_View]

Sessions is a PG who needs the ball in his hands to thrive. He will do well when Bryant is on the bench, but when the Colorado creep is back on the court, he will struggle.

So for 7 minutes a game, watch out NBA.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I agree with Amused. Lakers moves were solid but not spectacular at all. They got better basketball-wise and shed some salary which makes them good moves, but they surrendered both their draft picks for pretty low value (not with regards to their savings, but what teams paid to get them).

Sessions is definitely an upgrade over Fisher physically and skill wise at this point, but he's still an unknown with regards to how he will play under the pressure of LA. Not to mention and PG in LA's system is going to be somewhat muted since Kobe takes more shots than any player in the NBA and requires the ball in his hands a lot. Sessions should help them defensively however.

Jordan Hill is arguably better than Murphy/McRoberts & even if not he adds some big man depth, but it's not some game changer (at least on paper at this point).

I get they were able to turn one rotational player into potentially 2 and save some money, but it came at a cost (2 first rounders) and it wasn't a huge jump basketball wise.

DPG with the goods. :tu

Obviously Sessions is an upgrade over Fish, but it's downright hilarious how on ESPN some are saying LA went from "done" to "dangerous" because of this trade.

Adande had a nice article about how in crunch time the lack of veteran leadership will hurt. Sessions isn't a great defender either, and the one thing the Lakers really need after a PG, which is outside shooting, still needs to be addressed.

[TJastal]

Gary Neal is not a point guard. I don't know if you've been watching all the times he settles for a circus shot rather than hitting an open teammate, but those shots are not going to go in forever. He's been great filling in, I give him all the credit for that. Not only will that be insufficient in the playoffs, it won't be that useful once Manu goes back to the starting lineup and you actually need someone to initiate the offense alongside Danny Green. Fisher might not be the defender he once was, nor do I think he was ever a great defender, but he is an upgrade defensively over TJ Ford, Cory Joseph and Gary Neal.

You can't defend small quick guards with a small quick guard or Joseph wouldn't be in Austin. That requires team defense. It's the main reason I don't expect the Lakers' defense to improve with Fisher gone.

So why couldn't the spurs use Ginobili off the bench to bolster the facilitating (with Gary Neal)?

Not like Pop doesn't have options. He has used Neal, Green and Leonard in the starting lineups this year, with decent results. He also has Sjax as an option now as well.

[TJastal]

DPG with the goods. :tu

Obviously Sessions is an upgrade over Fish, but it's downright hilarious how on ESPN some are saying LA went from "done" to "dangerous" because of this trade.

Adande had a nice article about how in crunch time the lack of veteran leadership will hurt. Sessions isn't a great defender either, and the one thing the Lakers really need after a PG, which is outside shooting, still needs to be addressed.

That's laughable. Sessions has to be miles better than the corpse of Derek Fisher. Most AARP members could probably blow by Fisher at this point.

[Obstructed_View]

So why couldn't the spurs use Ginobili off the bench to bolster the facilitating (with Gary Neal)?

Because every basketball team in the history of the world not called the Gregg Popovich Spurs would rather sign a veteran point guard to fill out their roster instead of having to bring one of their best players off the bench to cover for the deficiency.



Not like Pop doesn't have options. He has used Neal, Green and Leonard in the starting lineups this year, with decent results. He also has Sjax as an option now as well.

Yeah, I'd prefer to have a second point guard on the roster.

[T Park]

So for 7 minutes a game, watch out NBA.

Ramon Nash is comin yall≥.

[Obstructed_View]

That's laughable. Sessions has to be miles better than the corpse of Derek Fisher. Most AARP members could probably blow by Fisher at this point.

One would think he's got the physical tools to do it. He's paired up off the bench with a pretty good defender in Daniel Gibson and they're not exactly setting the world on fire. Time will tell. He's a good player. I think your take is hyperbole to both extremes concerning Fisher and Sessions. Reading too many articles by giddy Laker fans perhaps.

[Obstructed_View]

He'll do a good job of breaking down the opponent's defense and he's got two of the best finishers in the game in Gasol and Bynum when he gets a step on his man. Notice how I properly used the term "finisher" in a sentence involving the Lakers.

[Spursfan092120]

@franblinebury: Rockets will buy out Derek Fisher, declare the future is in front of them.

[underdawg]

didn't see it elsewhere:
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/120316_dawson

[underdawg]

Word is the Bobcats want Diaw gone yesterday, and are involved in buyout talks to rid themselves of his deal. Diaw has not handled the losing in Charlotte well, and his temperament for what’s happening around the team has him on the outs with just about everyone. Diaw’s camp had inquired about a buyout before the trade deadline so it’s clear that Boris is willing to give up a little bit of money to get out of Charlotte, so expect that to drop in the next few days.http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-dont-count-on-a-chris-kaman-buyout

Hoopsworld - take it for what it's worth

[DPG21920]

Come on, Boris. :tu

[underdawg]

Jonathan Feigen: Rockets waive Terrence Williams. http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html

[Russ]

Obviously Sessions is an upgrade over Fish, but it's downright hilarious how on ESPN some are saying LA went from "done" to "dangerous" because of this trade.

Not really. Lakers looks pretty good to me after these trades.

[underdawg]

Fran Blinebury (http://twitter.com/#!/franblinebury):Rockets will buy out Derek Fisher, declare the future is in front of them

Jonathan Feigen (http://twitter.com/#!/Jonathan_Feigen):Rockets have reached out to the agent for point guard Anthony Carter. Could be an indication of buyout for Fisher. Carter played for McHale.

[DPG21920]

Not really. Lakers looks pretty good to me after these trades.

After trade(s)? What does Hill bring that makes them so much better?

[kaji157]

So why couldn't the spurs use Ginobili off the bench to bolster the facilitating (with Gary Neal)?

Not like Pop doesn't have options. He has used Neal, Green and Leonard in the starting lineups this year, with decent results. He also has Sjax as an option now as well.

While i do think Manu would do a fatastic PG if he had chosen to play that position, i am against to play him at PG if it can be avoided.
Ginobili actually can play very little minutes without risking a (minor) injury, so i would prefer to play him all his minutes where he can play the best and not at a position that is not his.

[dbestpro]

Jonathan Feigen: Rockets waive Terrence Williams. http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html

Got the feeling if given the chance this guy could make some waves.

[Obstructed_View]

Isn't Williams a 6'6" swingman?

Then sign his ass up! :lol

[DPG21920]

Williams has been given chances; he's never made waves.

[T Park]

Not really. Lakers looks pretty good to me after these trades.

Yeah Steve Blake still doesn't scare me, nor does Ramon Nash.

[Texas_Ranger]

With Jack, Leonard and Green already here we really don't need Williams.

[TJastal]

Yeah Steve Blake still doesn't scare me, nor does Ramon Nash.

20 and 11 for Sessions tonight. Was against the blazers' Felton but nonetheless impressive.

[Danny.Zhu]

20 and 11 for Sessions tonight. Was against the blazers' Felton but nonetheless impressive.

Lakers is the team to beat.