If Spurs sign Fisher...

[Buddy Holly]

Does he get booed the first time he checks in or is he given loud applause out of sheer respect?

[DesignatedT]

crickets. It would be a good signing though IMO.

[anonoftheinternets]

how abt, if spurs win championship with fisher ... fisher > kobe?

[Mugen]

Probably a mix of both.

I'm not really sure why you'd have to respect unless your a Laker fan. He's been a dirty mofo for most of his career.

[Fireball]

I have to think about that for 0.4 seconds ...

[Obstructed_View]

Honestly can't even wrap my brain around seeing him in a Spurs jersey.

[lefty]

crickets. It would be a good signing though IMO.
hey

u stole my gif :depressed :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't get all the fuss about 37 year old Fisher.

Fisher isn't a true point guard anymore than Neal is. On offense he's an undersized spot up guard that plays off a play-making guard (Kobe or hypothetically Manu). Fisher is not a play-maker on offense like Ford was, and he can't guard a lick anymore. I don't get it.

With that being said, I rather use the minutes on Neal, who's a better shooter and play-maker. This predicament of Neal getting these minutes also has a positive domino effect on Green and Leonard's minutes.


Neal> Fisher and it's not close.

[cheguevara]

Gary Neal > Fish in clutchness and overall play

and no he will never come to SA. what u been smoking?

[DesignatedT]

I don't get all the fuss about Fisher.

Fisher isn't a true point guard anymore than Neal is. On offense he's an undersized spot up guard that plays off a play-making guard (Kobe or hypothetically Manu). Fisher is not a play-maker on offense like Ford was, and he can't guard a lick anymore. I don't get it.



I just don't believe that to be true. Fisher has run PG his whole career. While Gary has some flashes every once in awhile he has repeatedly shown how inept he is at running the show at times as well. You apply some pressure to Neal and he has problems bringing the ball up, creating, and he is also using a lot of energy on doing so when he should be using that energy as a pure scorer.

Obviously if Manu is able to be on the court with Neal then it changes a bit but we haven't been able to see much of that and if one of the other for some reason can't go or will miss games it will be pretty bad to see Neal (or manu) primarily run backup PG in crowds of players in the playoffs where the game notoriously slows down.

Fisher can play that sort of Jacque Vaughn role if he is willing. I'm not saying play a ton of minutes but be able to give Tony a rest while letting Neal and Manu expend there energy in the right places (scoring/defense). Fisher is also a decent defender who can hit the 3 ball. Not too mention he is another very clutch player. If he's willing to come off the bench here for 15 minutes a game then I would definitely sign him up. I don't believe it would take minutes away from Neal but maybe from Green which I am fine with after trading for SJAX.

[MaNu4Tres]

I just don't believe that to be true. Fisher has run PG his whole career.

He's ran point guard his whole career because of his size, not his skill-set. His skill-set is one of a spot up shooter on offense-- much like Neal, although I'd say Neal is a better creator and play-maker with the ball (which is a skill-set of a true point guard). If Neal hadn't shown progression in his play-making ability like he has, and if Fisher was 5 years younger-- then I'd agree that signing him would be a good move.

Here's an excerpt from a recent scouting report on 37 year old Fisher.


Fisher comes off a season in which he shot 38.9 percent from the floor and ranked in the bottom 10 point guards in both TS% and usage rate -- in other words, he struggled to create shots, and he couldn't make the ones he created. This is difficult for fans to grasp because physically he looks like the same player, but he's not: His 40-minute scoring rate is barely half what it was three years ago. Defensively, he allowed a 17.7 PER to opposing point guards and had the worst Synergy numbers on the team. His rebound rate was very nearly the worst in the league (see Jamal Crawford comment). At times, it seemed the only thing keeping him in the starting lineup was the fact that Steve Blake was even worse.

Fisher's physical defense against big guards still has value, as does his overall savvy, but this needs to be put into context -- the guy averaged 9.4 points per 40 minutes, shot 38.6 percent on 2-pointers, can't create off the dribble, and can't keep quick guards in front of him. It's become increasingly difficult to defend the idea that Fisher should remain a 30-minute starter. If we're being brutally honest, on many rosters he wouldn't even be the backup.

[SenorSpur]

I don't get all the fuss about 37 year old Fisher.

Fisher isn't a true point guard anymore than Neal is. On offense he's an undersized spot up guard that plays off a play-making guard (Kobe or hypothetically Manu). Fisher is not a play-maker on offense like Ford was, and he can't guard a lick anymore. I don't get it.

With that being said, I rather use the minutes on Neal, who's a better shooter and play-maker. This predicament of Neal getting these minutes also has a positive domino effect on Green and Leonard's minutes.


Neal> Fisher and it's not close.

Same here. What is this fascination with a guy who is clearly past his prime and whose best attribute is probably his leadership qualities?

For folks chirping about Fisher, you can forget about him. Even if the Rockets buy him out, there is a new provision in the CBA that prohibits a player, who has just been bought out, from being claimed by any team until the start of the new NBA year - July 1st. Therefore, no more of that 30-day vacation and then returning to his one's former team or even another contender.

[gospursgojas]

Team has enough leaders. Thats all fish is now.

Whats left of his skills is not worth it.

[jjktkk]

Would rather the Spurs sign a younger pg. I seriously doubt Fisher could handle nights when he wouldn't even get on the court, which is precisely the reason the Lakers traded him.

[jermaine]

Honestly can't even wrap my brain around seeing him in a Spurs jersey.

I'm feeling that. It would be a dam smart move but at the same time sleeping with the enemy. The sad part is I can see Pop licking his chops at first chance to sign Fish too. That would be a ugly sight to see when you really think about it. Can someone please gif that picture for us.

[T Park]

Gary Neal > Fish in clutchness and overall play

and no he will never come to SA. what u been smoking?


Gary Neal a more clutch shooter than Derek Fisher?

In what world is this?

Last I checked the Lakers won rings on Fishers shots. All Neal did was delay an inevitable end to a pathetic season.

[Muser]

Spurs fans want the corpse of Fisher...really?

[cheguevara]

Gary Neal a more clutch shooter than Derek Fisher?

as of today I think so, at least as clutch.



Last I checked the Lakers won rings on Fishers shots. All Neal did was delay an
inevitable end to a pathetic season.

We are not talking about careerwise :rolleyes

[T Park]

Spurs fans want the corpse of Fisher...really?

Yeah really. As a backup point for 10 to 15 mins a night he'd be perfect.

[cheguevara]

Spurs fans want the corpse of Fisher...really?

:lol

they want him as Steve Kerr type role. You know because Fisher is such a similar player to Kerr :lol

[SenorSpur]

Folks, let it go. It aint happening.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Would rather the Spurs sign a younger pg. I seriously doubt Fisher could handle nights when he wouldn't even get on the court, which is precisely the reason the Lakers traded him.

exactly. why would he come here to be the last guard option @ 37 years old? not worth the bad voodoo anyway you look at it imo.

I can see him ending up in Miami personally. those guys would treat him like a wise champion guru and maybe he could actually get some minutes. it'd be like playing with Kobe; he wouldnt really have to do anything.

[T Park]

as of today I think so, at least as clutch.



We are not talking about careerwise :rolleyes


Okie doke.

[jermaine]

For Anyone comparing Neal to Fisher, your stupid. It's like the Kobe an Labrick comparisons. Neal maybe betta, faster, but he ain't a 5 time champion. Fisher just needs to say .04, that's it. He has done his thang in the league dir yrs in yrs now. Neal is just starting out.

[T Park]

exactly. why would he come here to be the last guard option @ 37 years old? not worth the bad voodoo anyway you look at it imo.

I can see him ending up in Miami personally. those guys would treat him like a wise champion guru and maybe he could actually get some minutes. it'd be like playing with Kobe; he wouldnt really have to do anything.

What "Bad voodoo"?

[urunobili]

with Laker fans being Majoity at Spurs home games in San Antonio it's hard to tell...

[baseline bum]

:lol

they want him as Steve Kerr type role. You know because Fisher is such a similar player to Kerr :lol

Spot-up shooter with limited point guard skills; they're the same player at this point of Fisher's career.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

What "Bad voodoo"?

the bad voodoo of picking up a long time enemy who has screwed you in the past and is a historically reviled character in the eyes of your fan base.

I mean last time I checked the BoSox never picked up Bucky Dent.

He just isnt the quality of player anymore that would make all of that bad voodoo a non-factor, imo. honestly even if it werent for all that I wouldnt have much interest in Fish. if he accepted the CJ role then yea, maybe I'd think bout it, but I dont see him wanting to be in that situation at 37 years of age a few days after starting all season for LA.

[T Park]

Spot-up shooter with limited point guard skills; they're the same player at this point of Fisher's career.

Exactly.

plus, playing alongside Ginobili, all you need for Fisher is to bring the ball up and get the offense in its sets.

Also hes a TRUE point guard, not an undersized shooting guard made into one.
Im tired of the fitting square pegs into round holes. Neal is a shooter, not a playmaker not anything, shooter. Trying to make him anything else is just a recipe for disaster.

[T Park]

the bad voodoo of picking up a long time enemy who has screwed you in the past and is a historically reviled character in the eyes of your fan base.

I mean last time I checked the BoSox never picked up Bucky Dent.

He just isnt the quality of player anymore that would make all of that bad voodoo a non-factor, imo. honestly even if it werent for all that I wouldnt have much interest in Fish. if he accepted the CJ role then yea, maybe I'd think bout it, but I dont see him wanting to be in that situation at 37 years of age a few days after starting all season for LA.


Yeah it totally failed miserably for the Spurs when they signed Robert Horry.

Theres no such thing as "horrible voodoo"

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Yeah it totally failed miserably for the Spurs when they signed Robert Horry.

Theres no such thing as "horrible voodoo"

I never said that. I said its not worth it with Fisher being the player he is right now.

When the Spurs picked up Horry was he a 37 year old who was among the least effective players at his position in the league? I didnt think so.

Horry was worth it and then some because he could still ball and play a huge role for us. Fisher can't and wouldnt. No comparison.

[cheguevara]

Folks, let it go. It aint happening.

:tu

[cheguevara]

For Anyone comparing Neal to Fisher, your stupid. It's like the Kobe an Labrick comparisons. Neal maybe betta, faster, but he ain't a 5 time champion. Fisher just needs to say .04, that's it. He has done his thang in the league dir yrs in yrs now. Neal is just starting out.

so what are you saying? you'd take Kobe over Lebron??

[Juggity]

Why are spurs fan salivating over the possibility of signing this way over the hill dude who needs to retire already?

Have you read the myriad of lakerfan posts complaining about how bad his defense is these days, how inefficient his shooting is?

Given how much we complain about the spurs defense and how it needs to improve, why would we want this dude on our team? There's a reason his beloved Laker team dumped him. He's totally done as a player.

[DesignatedT]

He's ran point guard his whole career because of his size, not his skill-set.

Yes, but he has still ran point guard his whole career............................................ .......


I feel the Spurs would be smart to sign another PG. It doesn't have to be Fisher but I don't think going into the playoffs with a Manu who can't stay healthy and Neal as your backup PG is very wise.

[cheguevara]

Why are spurs fan salivating over the possibility of signing this way over the hill dude who needs to retire already?

Have you read the myriad of lakerfan posts complaining about how bad his defense is these days, how inefficient his shooting is?

Given how much we complain about the spurs defense and how it needs to improve, why would we want this dude on our team? There's a reason his beloved Laker team dumped him. He's totally done as a player.

spursfan is a masochist one

not even 24 hours after getting rid of the biggest black hole in the team, they want to go ahead and get another one. just to spite lakerfans

[T Park]

I never said that. I said its not worth it with Fisher being the player he is right now.

When the Spurs picked up Horry was he a 37 year old who was among the least effective players at his position in the league? I didnt think so.

Horry was worth it and then some because he could still ball and play a huge role for us. Fisher can't and wouldnt. No comparison.


Horry was considered washed up, done and very worthless for a power forward when the Spurs signed him.

[T Park]

Why are spurs fan salivating over the possibility of signing this way over the hill dude who needs to retire already?

Have you read the myriad of lakerfan posts complaining about how bad his defense is these days, how inefficient his shooting is?

Given how much we complain about the spurs defense and how it needs to improve, why would we want this dude on our team? There's a reason his beloved Laker team dumped him. He's totally done as a player.


Done as a 30 min a night guy.Not done as a small minute back up playing against the other team's backups.

[Duncan2177]

Fisher would bring championship experience also leadership and toughness to the team it wouldn't hurt to have him.

[nkdlunch]

Fisher would bring championship experience also leadership and toughness to the team it wouldn't hurt to have him.

because we don't have any?

that Fisher championship experience was really useful for lakers last playoffs :downspin:

[tmtcsc]

If he's bought out or cut, Spurs will go after him. He's a competitor, a leader and a good locker room guy. He has Championship experience and can spread the floor in our offense. Does anyone really think he'll take our Defense down ? Eh...we're collectively pretty poor already. It couldn't get much worse.

We aren't going to change overnight. The hope is that we outscore our opponents by playing better offense then them.

[nkdlunch]

Fisher is fucking done. Move on.

[GSH]

Same here. What is this fascination with a guy who is clearly past his prime and whose best attribute is probably his leadership qualities?

For folks chirping about Fisher, you can forget about him. Even if the Rockets buy him out, there is a new provision in the CBA that prohibits a player, who has just been bought out, from being claimed by any team until the start of the new NBA year - July 1st. Therefore, no more of that 30-day vacation and then returning to his one's former team or even another contender.


I think you answered part of the question. You're right, he's past his prime, and he isn't an NBA starter any more. But the leadership qualities go a long way for a backup PG who will be on the floor with the second team. And he's been through enough championship campaigns that he isn't going to fold under playoff pressure. He's a guy who Pop could/would actually put into the game in the post-season, which means he wouldn't be a complete waste of a roster spot. If he was as good as he used to be, there wouldn't be any chance of signing him as a backup.

I guess the thing that puzzles me is that so many people want to turn up their noses at a backup PG because he isn't good enough to be a starting PG. If Tony goes down, we're screwed - period. Because we aren't going to be able to sign CP3, Deron Williams, or Rose as a backup. I think Fisher would be more than competent to give Tony a breather in the playoffs. And I think that's worthwhile to have.

I believe that the CBA provision just prohibits him from returning to the Rockets, if they buy him out. There are a bunch of teams around the league right now waiting to pick up players that are bought out.

[024]

as much as it pains me to say this but the spurs need a PG like fisher. parker will likely be getting 38+ minutes in the playoffs but that still leaves around 10 minutes of PG time left. neal shouldn't be bringing the ball up in the playoffs and manu should only do it a few times. fisher provides a steady hand and can play next to manu. he just needs to not turn the ball over, leave the playmaking up to sjax and manu, and hit some timely clutch shots.

[Obstructed_View]

as much as it pains me to say this but the spurs need a PG

For those of you wondering why we're even having a discussion about Derek Fisher, ^this.

[Spursfan092120]

@franblinebury: Rockets will buy out Derek Fisher, declare the future is in front of them.

[Texas_Ranger]

if it will come to Fisher or Carter I'd rather have Fish.

[jermaine]

so what are you saying? you'd take Kobe over Lebron??

No. I'd take Labrick. But I'd take Kobe in his prime any day over Labrick. Until Labrick gets at least 3 rings, you can't say he's betta than Da Masked Black Mamba! Same with Neal an fisher. Them got 5 rings for a reason. It's called Killer instinct. Neal, we haven't seen enough to say. But he seems to he on his way. But Labrick on the other hand. Ain't no kinda killer in that boys bones. If he had murder charge all his lawyer would have to say is this. "Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury my client is no killer I assure you" . Show tape of the finals last season with little as Terry d-ing his ass up an say. Look at this little guy all over my client embarrassing him infront if his peers an the world. If he was a killer he would not have allowed this to go on. Then all charges would be dropped.

[T Park]

@franblinebury: Rockets will buy out Derek Fisher, declare the future is in front of them.

Come on east Derek, fiesta is about to start and the weather is perfect my friend.

[Obstructed_View]

No. I'd take Labrick. But I'd take Kobe in his prime any day over Labrick. Until Labrick gets at least 3 rings, you can't say he's betta than Da Masked Black Mamba! Same with Neal an fisher. Them got 5 rings for a reason. It's called Killer instinct. Neal, we haven't seen enough to say. But he seems to he on his way. But Labrick on the other hand. Ain't no kinda killer in that boys bones. If he had murder charge all his lawyer would have to say is this. "Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury my client is no killer I assure you" . Show tape of the finals last season with little as Terry d-ing his ass up an say. Look at this little guy all over my client embarrassing him infront if his peers an the world. If he was a killer he would not have allowed this to go on. Then all charges would be dropped.

6/24 says hi.

[CubanMustGo]

Good to see T Park back, just as stubborn as ever. :bang What happened to EricB?

[Obstructed_View]

EricB was too nice. His posts read like someone doing an anger management course.

[Imp23]

I can't see Fisher in Blk & Silver nor would I want it. I'm still pissed at .04? I was there and that was BS.

[Obstructed_View]

BTW, Sessions is a good ball handler and an aggressive offensive player, but those that say he's a good team or individual defender have not watched him. He's been playing on a line with Alonzo Gee and Daniel Gibson, who are both very good defenders. It doesn't help him. With Laker Nation expecting him to come in and fix Mike Brown's defense, he may not be a fan favorite for very long.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Good to see T Park back, just as stubborn as ever. :bang

Seriously.

T Park - stop comparing the two you know there's no comparison. I dunno why I'm responding again even my point has been made.

[T Park]

Good to see T Park back, just as stubborn as ever. :bang What happened to EricB?

?? How am I stubborn? Because Im stating something I believe in?

Sorry.

[T Park]

EricB was too nice. His posts read like someone doing an anger management course.


Stupid court order...

[spursince#99]

ehhh heck no.

[T Park]

Seriously.

T Park - stop comparing the two you know there's no comparison. I dunno why I'm responding again even my point has been made.


I believe there is, you don't.

We disagree.

Its not the end of the world, Im not saying your wrong, I just don't believe Fisher is washed up.

[Muser]

Yeah really. As a backup point for 10 to 15 mins a night he'd be perfect.

Wouldn't you rather have someone like Anthony Carter? I'd rather have someone who can defend to a turnstile like Fisher.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

I believe there is, you don't.

We disagree.

Its not the end of the world, Im not saying your wrong, I just don't believe Fisher is washed up.

Fair enough :tu

But wither way I hope we'd agree that a Fisher signing wouldn't have the impact Horrys did.

I'd rather give Neal the minutes tbh. No since renting Fish at the expense of bringing along/empowering Gary.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

A confident, in form Gary > Fisher by a long shot come playoff time.

As an opponent who would honestly scare you more?

[Obstructed_View]

A confident, in form Gary > Fisher by a long shot come playoff time.

As an opponent who would honestly scare you more?

Everything else being equal, wouldn't you rather have two point guards on the roster instead of one?

[T Park]

Everything else being equal, wouldn't you rather have two point guards on the roster instead of one?

Why be stingy when you can be greedy?

More is always better.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Everything else being equal, wouldn't you rather have two point guards on the roster instead of one?

Definitely, and Fisher wouldn't be an awful addition, I'm just thinking that the type of role we need filled doesn't equate to the type of role a player like Fisher would desire. This, in turn, leads me to fear that if we signed him he would play a larger role than we need, something that would both cut into the minutes of guys i find more valuable (like Neal), and be something I don't want out of a player of Fishers reduced caliber.

[Nathan89]

Last I checked the Lakers won rings on Fishers shots. All Neal did was win a elimination playoff game.

fixed

[The ADMIRAL 50]

I would want him to be in CJs role, no more. Not TJs role.

[T Park]

fixed

No I had it right the first time.

Delayed the inevitable.

[stephen jackson]

why are these assholes talking about derek fisher on espn radio

[MannyIsGod]

Fisher would bring championship experience also leadership and toughness to the team it wouldn't hurt to have him.

Yeah because this team is so void of championship experience....

[Nathan89]

No I had it right the first time.

Delayed the inevitable.

It's easy to say that after the fact. Fact is it was a clutch shot in a elimination game. What happened afterwards is irrelevant.

[Obstructed_View]

Definitely, and Fisher wouldn't be an awful addition, I'm just thinking that the type of role we need filled doesn't equate to the type of role a player like Fisher would desire. This, in turn, leads me to fear that if we signed him he would play a larger role than we need, something that would both cut into the minutes of guys i find more valuable (like Neal), and be something I don't want out of a player of Fishers reduced caliber.

Fair enough. I can see how that's a concern. Personally, I don't trust Fisher. It sounds like you don't particularly trust a certain coach who likes veterans. :)

That said, Fisher has had to play on a team with a guy who never met a shot he didn't like and rarely passes the ball back, regardless of what it does to the team. We didn't really hear a lot of complaints from him, so it's not like he can't deal with things. That kind of player may really get excited about playing team basketball with the emphasis on winning.

[T Park]

He could be a Robert Horry type for the team, or he could be a Van Exel.

I don't deny the latter could happen more than the former.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

Fair enough. I can see how that's a concern. Personally, I don't trust Fisher. It sounds like you don't particularly trust a certain coach who likes veterans. :)

That said, Fisher has had to play on a team with a guy who never met a shot he didn't like and rarely passes the ball back, regardless of what it does to the team. We didn't really hear a lot of complaints from him, so it's not like he can't deal with things. That kind of player may really get excited about playing team basketball with the emphasis on winning.

That's a good point. While I really don't like Fisher from a fans perspective (I was at .4 and can honestly say that other than receiving news of the death of a loved one my heart has never sunk so low) I would admit that there's never been much of am indication that he'd be anything less than a solid teammate and influence. That said, for the reasons I already stated (concerns of role/minutes and his very, very much reduced effectiveness as an NBA player) added to the fact that I just can't like him at all as a Spurs lifer, I just can't roll put the welcome mat.

[T Park]

I just personally don't see Derek Fisher as a bad guy when it comes to being told his role would be x amount of minutes and off the bench.

I just don't think he's wired to be an Allen Iverson or a Ron Mercer. I may be naive but I think he's in it for one more ring and I'd think he'd know coming in if signed what his role would be.

[Buddy Holly]

LMAO at people calling T Park stubborn. The only ones stubborn are the people who think Gary Neal can play point guard and can run the offense. He's not and he can't. You're probably the same people who thought/believed George Hill was the future at PG. Yikes!

Fisher is old as rocks but he's still a POINT GUARD with veteran leadership and would only be used in very small doses, if he came here, to allow Tony to rest. As for his defense, if you're fine with Neal at PG with his awful defense, what's the difference?

[T Park]

LMAO at people calling T Park stubborn. The only ones stubborn are the people who think Gary Neal can play point guard and can run the offense. He's not and he can't. You're probably the same people who thought/believed George Hill was the future at PG. Yikes!

I don't deny being stubborn :lol


I;m 100% stubborn in certain arguments, but this one I don't think theres a clear cut right or wrong argument. Both sides have merit, I just feel he's not as washed up as some think for a 15 minute a night back up who can still bring a 3 or 2 a game.

[Texas_Ranger]

LMAO at people calling T Park stubborn. The only ones stubborn are the people who think Gary Neal can play point guard and can run the offense. He's not and he can't. You're probably the same people who thought/believed George Hill was the future at PG. Yikes!


This

I like Neal, but as a SG. Yea he can play PG, but he doesn't look like one. I rather have Fish for 8 minutes at PG than Gary.

[Obstructed_View]

I simply have trouble taking the opinion of people when they tell me that Fisher is completely washed up and can't play defense. If he was so bad, then Steve Blake would have gotten his starting job. He didn't. If he was so bad, then the Lakers wouldn't be a top five team in the west. They are.

[Muser]

There's a reason why Laker fans are celebrating getting Ramon Sessions like he's Michael Jordan.

[DPG21920]

I simply have trouble taking the opinion of people when they tell me that Fisher is completely washed up and can't play defense. If he was so bad, then Steve Blake would have gotten his starting job. He didn't. If he was so bad, then the Lakers wouldn't be a top five team in the west. They are.

If he was good, they wouldn't have given up a first round pick to dump him so they can get the greatness of Jordan Hill.

[MaNu4Tres]

I simply have trouble taking the opinion of people when they tell me that Fisher is completely washed up and can't play defense. If he was so bad, then Steve Blake would have gotten his starting job. He didn't. If he was so bad, then the Lakers wouldn't be a top five team in the west. They are.

Watch the games. That's all I can say.

Fisher is done and has regressed badly on D.

[angelbelow]

Again, getting Fisher wouldn't be for his services as a PG. In LA I hear every fucking day about how terrible he is.

The benefits to having Fisher is a championship caliber presence in the locker room for the younger guys. Also his renown ability to hit big shots.

Fisher at best would be serve the Steve Kerr role where hes a catch and shoot player. He would help with some point guard duties (like bring the ball up) but he won't be making plays (he hasnt done this consistently in a long time).

[Obstructed_View]

There's a reason why Laker fans are celebrating getting Ramon Sessions like he's Michael Jordan.

When you find out what it is, please let me know. It has nothing to do with his ability to play defense.

[Obstructed_View]

Again, getting Fisher wouldn't be for his services as a PG. In LA I hear every fucking day about how terrible he is.

The benefits to having Fisher is a championship caliber presence in the locker room for the younger guys. Also his renown ability to hit big shots.

Fisher at best would be serve the Steve Kerr role where hes a catch and shoot player. He would help with some point guard duties (like bring the ball up) but he won't be making plays (he hasnt done this consistently in a long time).

Nope, got all that intangible shit in spades, thanks. Just need someone to run the point for a few minutes while Parker rests. Let's not make this more than it is.

[angelbelow]

I simply have trouble taking the opinion of people when they tell me that Fisher is completely washed up and can't play defense. If he was so bad, then Steve Blake would have gotten his starting job. He didn't. If he was so bad, then the Lakers wouldn't be a top five team in the west. They are.

Watch some laker games. They're both terrible right now. And Blake was injured for a portion of the season.

[Muser]

When you find out what it is, please let me know. It has nothing to do with his ability to play defense.

What? The point is they're celebrating getting a relatively average point guard to replace him.

And as DPG said, why would the Lakers (One of the best FO in the league) dump a 1st rounder to get Jordan Hill?

[angelbelow]

Nope, got all that intangible shit in spades, thanks. Just need someone to run the point for a few minutes while Parker rests. Let's not make this more than it is.

Which is why I wouldn't disagree with the signing. I actually think as a leader, Fisher is better than anyone we have because hes outspoken.

Duncan doesn't say shit, Manu doesnt say shit unless hes in the moment, and they say that Parker is becoming more vocal. But fisher is already there. Pop is by far the best leader on the team but sometimes hes blinded by age and stubbornness.

Would love to have Fisher but like you said, some posters need to not make it more than it is.

[MaNu4Tres]

OV.. From Hollinger FWIW: Recent scouting report on Fish:

Fisher comes off a season in which he shot 38.9 percent from the floor and ranked in the bottom 10 point guards in both TS% and usage rate -- in other words, he struggled to create shots, and he couldn't make the ones he created. This is difficult for fans to grasp because physically he looks like the same player, but he's not: His 40-minute scoring rate is barely half what it was three years ago. Defensively, he allowed a 17.7 PER to opposing point guards and had the worst Synergy numbers on the team. His rebound rate was very nearly the worst in the league (see Jamal Crawford comment). At times, it seemed the only thing keeping him in the starting lineup was the fact that Steve Blake was even worse.

Fisher's physical defense against big guards still has value, as does his overall savvy, but this needs to be put into context -- the guy averaged 9.4 points per 40 minutes, shot 38.6 percent on 2-pointers, can't create off the dribble, and can't keep quick guards in front of him. It's become increasingly difficult to defend the idea that Fisher should remain a 30-minute starter. If we're being brutally honest, on many rosters he wouldn't even be the backup.

[anonoftheinternets]

Best of luck getting fisher to accept a 10 min role on spurs of all the teams, considering our history, when even the lakers would have trouble getting him to take a lesser role.

[DMC]

Fish will become an assistant coach somewhere.

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Watch the games. That's all I can say.

Okay, I have league pass. I'm watching the Wizards game now, their last loss.

Fisher had 9 points, 5 assists and 2 steals while John Wall went 1-8 and scored 4 points with 5 turnovers. The Lakers were up by 21 midway through the third quarter. When Fisher came back in halfway through the fourth quarter, the Lakers were up by 2.

Am I the only one watching games? The only thing more ridiculous than saying Fisher is done as a defender is saying that Sessions is going to be an improvement.

[DMC]

Okay, I have league pass. I'm watching the Wizards game now, their last loss.

Fisher had 9 points, 5 assists and 2 steals while John Wall went 1-8 and scored 4 points with 5 turnovers. The Lakers were up by 21 midway through the third quarter. When Fisher came back in halfway through the fourth quarter, the Lakers were up by 2.

Am I the only one watching games? The only thing more ridiculous than saying Fisher is done as a defender is saying that Sessions is going to be an improvement.
Wow.

[Muser]

So you think the Lakers FO are stupid?

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OV.. From Hollinger FWIW: Recent scouting report on Fish:

Fisher comes off a season in which he shot 38.9 percent from the floor and ranked in the bottom 10 point guards in both TS% and usage rate -- in other words, he struggled to create shots, and he couldn't make the ones he created. This is difficult for fans to grasp because physically he looks like the same player, but he's not: His 40-minute scoring rate is barely half what it was three years ago. Defensively, he allowed a 17.7 PER to opposing point guards and had the worst Synergy numbers on the team. His rebound rate was very nearly the worst in the league (see Jamal Crawford comment). At times, it seemed the only thing keeping him in the starting lineup was the fact that Steve Blake was even worse.

Fisher's physical defense against big guards still has value, as does his overall savvy, but this needs to be put into context -- the guy averaged 9.4 points per 40 minutes, shot 38.6 percent on 2-pointers, can't create off the dribble, and can't keep quick guards in front of him. It's become increasingly difficult to defend the idea that Fisher should remain a 30-minute starter. If we're being brutally honest, on many rosters he wouldn't even be the backup.

On many rosters he wouldn't even be the backup. The Spurs are not one of those rosters. You can talk about all the things he isn't, but what he is as a Spur is the second best point guard the second his plane lands in San Antonio.

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Wow.

Yep. I'll keep watching games. I don't see Derek Fisher guarding Kevin Seraphim.

[MaNu4Tres]

On many rosters he wouldn't even be the backup. The Spurs are not one of those rosters. You can talk about all the things he isn't, but what he is as a Spur is the second best point guard the second his plane lands in San Antonio.

Right now, as in March 2012, Neal is a better point guard than Derek Fisher.

Although, Fisher would be great insurance as a 3rd pg for the vet minimum.

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Watching the Detroit game now. Rodney Stuckey scored 34 points so it must have been Fisher giving up all those baskets. Updates in a bit.

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Right now, as in March 2012, Neal is a better point guard than Derek Fisher.

Although, Fisher would be great insurance as a 3rd pg for the vet minimum.

Right now, Neal is not a point guard any more than Matt Bonner is a power forward.

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Watching the Detroit game now. Rodney Stuckey scored 34 points so it must have been Fisher giving up all those baskets. Updates in a bit.

So far, Fisher's guarding Brandon Knight and Kobe's guarding Stuckey. I'm sure Fisher is the reason they're giving up all those offensive rebounds though.

[Muser]

So you think the Lakers FO are stupid?

[DPG21920]

O_V, the best thing I can say to help you see what I see would be to turn your logic towards Richard Jefferson. Fisher was LA's RJ. They won despite them and the numbers bear that out.

[DJB]

I'd take him. And I think the Spurs should go for it if he gets bought out.

[T Park]

Right now, Neal is not a point guard any more than Matt Bonner is a power forward.

walk off home run post.

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O_V, the best thing I can say to help you see what I see would be to turn your logic towards Richard Jefferson. Fisher was LA's RJ. They won despite them and the numbers bear that out.

I never said the Spurs won despite Richard Jefferson. That would be stupid. The Spurs were on a 70 game win pace last year when RJ was playing well and being aggressive. Laker fans saying "well he sucked" when they're clearly ignoring the fact that Kobe Bryant takes more bad shots than he ever has before is not enough to convince me.

I'm sorry, the same advanced metrics that LJ used to say that Matt Bonner was a good player on both ends of the floor are just as curious when used to say that Derek Fisher is bad on both ends of the floor. No amount of watching the games can make those stats make sense. If you have other number to "bear that out" I'd love to see them. Here's a stat: The Lakers are one of the best defensive teams in the league, and it for goddamn sure isn't because of Steve Blake.

Therefore I gotta go with what I see, and what I see is a guy who's more than capable of being the second/third/emergency point guard for the Spurs.

[Buddy Holly]

There's a reason why Laker fans are celebrating getting Ramon Sessions like he's Michael Jordan.

Yeah, cause Fisher was their staring pg getting big minutes. In SA he'd get 10 minutes a game.

[T Park]

Yeah, cause Fisher was their staring pg getting big minutes. In SA he'd get 10 minutes a game.

Again, this point cannot be stressed enough and said enough.

Were not asking him to be a damn starting SG. We just want him to play some sop up minutes helping Tony be fresh for the PO and in the playoff 4th quarters.

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So you think the Lakers FO are stupid?

If they started a guy for 37 games who isn't even good enough to be the third point guard on the Spurs, then yes I think they're stupid. :lol

[DPG21920]

Having 2 7 footers probably helps that out, OV.

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The Spurs would take Steve Blake as their backup in a second. Blake couldn't take the starting job from Fisher. What's the flaw in that perspective?

[jestersmash]

Pretty sure all the bandwagon Laker fans that live in San Antonio would start coming out to the games (or at least his first game) and cheer him on. This isn't necessarily a dig on San Anotnio specifically, by the way. I'm sure you'll find hordes of bandwagon Laker(Kobe)/Miami (Bron/Wade)/Chicago (Rose) fans in every city.

[Muser]

10 minutes of turnstile PG defense is still too much, especially when the league is stacked with fast elite point guards.

[Beaverfuzz]

Fuck no!

[The ADMIRAL 50]

This

I like Neal, but as a SG. Yea he can play PG, but he doesn't look like one. I rather have Fish for 8 minutes at PG than Gary.

I've always been against playing Neal at the point as opposed to at SG, so that much I agree with. What I disagree with is that I would rather have Gary get those 8 minutes than Fisher. Gary isn't as bad at running the point as ST would have many believe, though he isn't great. I would just rather have Gary on the court than Fish, even at PG. He has a future with this team, Fisher wouldn't, and I don't want him losing out on minutes. He could be a playoff beast, empower him, don't limit him.

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Having 2 7 footers probably helps that out, OV.

I'm sure it does. They're near the top in blocks and rebounds and near the bottom in steals. I'm not in denial of reality, which is why I'm trying to convince some of you who are.

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10 minutes of turnstile PG defense is still too much, especially when the league is stacked with fast elite point guards.

Nobody's fast enough to stop a fast elite point guard by himself, even the fast elite point guards. You need team defense to do that. Besides, if you don't like turnstile defense, then you shouldn't be trying to make a case that the Spurs stick with Gary Neal.

[The ADMIRAL 50]

10 minutes of turnstile PG defense is still too much, especially when the league is stacked with fast elite point guards.

:tu

[TJastal]

The Spurs would take Steve Blake as their backup in a second. Blake couldn't take the starting job from Fisher. What's the flaw in that perspective?

It was more of an attempt to "mask" Fisher's deficiencies much the same way the spurs try to mask Blair's.

Lakers realized this strategy was not going to be successful and made appropriate moves at the trade deadline to fix things. Spurs otoh have yet to attain a replacement for Burger Time.

[Muser]

Nobody's fast enough to stop a fast elite point guard by himself, even the fast elite point guards. You need team defense to do that. Besides, if you don't like turnstile defense, then you shouldn't be trying to make a case that the Spurs stick with Gary Neal.

Okay, the league is stacked with fast point guards. JJ Barea looked like an all star against Fisher in the playoffs.

And if we're forced to have someone with turnstile defense then give me the guy who can shoot.

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It was more of an attempt to "mask" Fisher's deficiencies much the same way the spurs try to mask Blair's.

Lakers realized this strategy was not going to be successful and made appropriate moves at the trade deadline to fix things. Spurs otoh have yet to attain a replacement for Burger Time.

Okay, now you're just making shit up. If you're willing to say anything to get me to give in to your position, no matter how retarded, then I won't bother having debates with you. Stating supposition as fact when you can't possibly know what's in their head is nothing short of absurd.

If you have an agenda in this debate, go ahead and come clean. I don't particularly like Fisher but I'll be damned if I can find any reason to think that he's a bigger cause of the Lakers' problems than either his backup, his backcourt partner, or his new coach.

I'm sitting here watching the Lakers play the Cavs. Fisher is in the passing lanes, is the first one back on defense (sometimes the only one back on defense) and is working extremely hard to get the ball to Bynum and Gasol because he knows where the high percentage shots come from. Three plays in a row he was the only one back on a Cavs fast break and picked up his second foul. There's nothing I've seen in any of the three games I've watched in the last few hours that convinces me that he's incapable of being a backup point guard for the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

The Lakers would take Tiago in a second and Tiago can't take the starting spot from Blair.

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Okay, the league is stacked with fast point guards. JJ Barea looked like an all star against Fisher in the playoffs.
Yes he did, in one game. He did the same thing three times against Oklahoma City. So by your logic, Russel Westbrook is three times as bad, right?


And if we're forced to have someone with turnstile defense then give me the guy who can shoot.

Give me the guy who can run the offense. Also, Fisher is ten times the defender that Gary Neal is.

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The Lakers would take Tiago in a second and Tiago can't take the starting spot from Blair.

:lol Mike Brown IS a Pop disciple, isn't he?

[DPG21920]

:lol True

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That said, nobody in the league wouldn't take Dejuan blair for the minimum as the second or third 4 or 5.

[romsho]

On many rosters he wouldn't even be the backup. The Spurs are not one of those rosters. You can talk about all the things he isn't, but what he is as a Spur is the second best point guard the second his plane lands in San Antonio.

Correct. And it took four pages to get to it. Ridiculous. What are we looking for here? A backup point guard with experience to play limited minutes. So we are better off with a D-leaguer or waiver wire pickup over a guy with that pedigree and all that championship experience? I don't think so. There might just be a little shoulder chip and just enough bitterness to get alot out of those few minutes on the court. I don't see a downside.

[MaNu4Tres]

Again, Spurs don't need Fisher to be the back up PG. (3rd string/insurance PG for the vet minimum sure.)

They need to figure out a way to give Green, Leonard, Jackson, Manu and Neal quality minutes in the rotation. The only way that can happen is if Manu/Neal share back-up PG duties. Wish some people would understand this.

It's about finding the most minutes for the teams best 10 players.

Green and Leonard were everywhere tonight.

Such a great win!