Yeah, Danny Green is expendable...

[Wild Cobra Kai]

:ihit:ihit:ihit

[Johnny RIngo]

Eh, he's playing for a contract though. Let's see how he does in the playoffs first before deciding to make a commitment.

[ducks]

if spurs had manu and sj tonight he is

[ducks]

spurs also had no rj tonight

[TJastal]

Spurs should just get rid of Green, he's a stupid player.

[ducks]

stupid charge in 4

[MmP]

This team is getting more interesting every day. Blair came to life again too

[TDMVPDPOY]

lol haters continue to hate

love the defense from green and kl tonight, now imagined that with jax and ginoboli subbin them when either 2 needs a breather, our wing defense isnt going to give anyone a breather but earn it

[The_Worlds_finest]

Wheres rj when you need em!!!(packing his mofuckinbags ! ! ! ! !)

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Spurs should just get rid of Green, he's a stupid player.

As if we needed more proof that you're an idiot. Green was the closer tonight.

[Mugen]

Danny Green.

[SKINNYPIMP210]

lol haters continue to hate

love the defense from green and kl tonight, now imagined that with jax and ginoboli subbin them when either 2 needs a breather, our wing defense isnt going to give anyone a breather but earn it

:toast

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Eh, he's playing for a contract though. Let's see how he does in the playoffs first before deciding to make a commitment.

His one great trait, the one that also defines Jack and Neal, is that he is unafraid.

[acoelho1]

Danny Green is player but is pretty green *pun* so he will continue to have his ups and downs. I think he can become an excellent defender under Pop's tutelage and with KL on the wing, look out.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

He's essentially still in his rookie season. This was his 70th game played.

Thank you, Danny Ferry, for bird dogging him from your Cleveland days.

[TJastal]

As if we needed more proof that you're an idiot. Green was the closer tonight.

I'm just following what the site experts say /shrug


Only trade I would consider

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=7fnpx39

Like someone mentioned Green is highly overrated on this board, and James Anderson could do as much as he could lately. Spurs find a PF, and back up PG. I still don't see a way we can get rid of RJ, but maybe there will be a miracle, and someone in the Jazz may think he can be useful.


And he's far from smart.

[manufan10]

As if we needed more proof that you're an idiot. Green was the closer tonight.

TJastal doesn't watch the games, so you can take his opinions with a grain of salt.

[TJastal]

Almost forgot about this one... this is some highly expert stuff here.


Irrational hate, sorry but any rational person would realize Danny green is trash & deserves 10-15 mins at most of playing time, I see the Price & Lopez trade being more realistic & more beneficial. It gives the Spurs a serviceable 7 footer to come off the bench & a decent backup pg. And come play off time if we manage to pull off a miracle and play the thunder who's gonna guard Durant, if Leonard is in foul trouble? Danny Green? :lol Don't be stupid.

[DMC]

Why don't people take a larger sample size before making "told you so" threads? Never took statistics classes I see. Timvp has a great stats thread here. Read it.

[TJastal]

TJastal doesn't watch the games, so you can take his opinions with a grain of salt.

With experts such as yourself frequently providing your free insights and tutelage who needs to actually watch the games?

[DMC]

TJastal doesn't watch the games, so you can take his opinions with a grain of salt.
I prefer just the salt, trade Tjackass for some tequila and a lime.

[siraulo23]

Danny GREEN !!!@@@!!!

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs should go after the corpse of Derek Fisher to take his minutes.-- Spurs fan

[HarlemHeat37]

Green is a solid bench player, a good 8th or 9th man that brings energy and shooting..

If your expectations are higher, you're going to be disappointed..

[JsnSA]

Great game by Green but lets not get carried away. He has had good games before and then disappeared for quite a few. Hopefully he can string a few good ones together though and keep that going into the playoffs.

[TJastal]

Green is a solid bench player, a good 8th or 9th man that brings energy and shooting..

If your expectations are higher, you're going to be disappointed..

Das right mofo's.. you heard it here first. Bring on the Jack and give this clown a bench seat ASAP!

[DesignatedT]

Spurs should go after the corpse of Derek Fisher to take his minutes.-- Spurs fan

tbqh Neal was quite horrendous running backup PG tonight. Hope Manu gets healthy and can take most of that duty.

[TDMVPDPOY]

that spurs 2nd year program is paying dividends...

[T Park]

Spurs should go after the corpse of Derek Fisher to take his minutes.-- Spurs fan

:rolleyes

[Ditty]

I'm just following what the site experts say /shrug

You got so butthurt about my comment.:lol

[jmard5]

No more trade deadline jitters.

[TDMVPDPOY]

contract year, look for the spurs to lowball him like they did to jax in 03

[MaNu4Tres]

tbqh Neal was quite horrendous running backup PG tonight. Hope Manu gets healthy and can take most of that duty.

What are you expecting of him? To be the next John Stockton?

Fisher isn't any better at creating or distributing off the dribble-- like a true point guard. In fact, he has no skills of a true point guard in half-court sets at this stage of his career. None. He's a limited spot up shooter who's regressed in that one attribute.

tbqh I thought Neal did a decent job. Spurs just need him and Manu to hold the fort down for 12-15 minutes a night-- which they are more than capable of doing. Them sharing duties allows Pop to find more quality minutes for the better players on the roster (Green/Leonard/Jackson).

tbqh I don't even know why I'm having this conversation with you. I understand how you don't understand. tbqh.

[T Park]

Yeah Derek Fisher can't run an offense what so ever.

[DesignatedT]

Ok be a dick about it. It's no coincidence he had the worst +/- on the team. He was bad at running point with Tony out. Flat out bad. He isn't a PG anymore than RMJ was.

Letting Neal concentrate on his bread and butter would be in the best interest of him and the team. (Shooting the ball). Not expecting him to be something he's not.

[shraediggz]

Ya'll realize Green is just SJaxx revisited right?

The two pretty much have the same game (going back to Jackson's breakout year). It's unsure whether or not Green will have the same career arc as Jackson, but on court, Their games pretty much carry the same strength and short comings.

Both possess fearlessness, both are willing shooters, both handle the ball fairly well and are good passers, both are turnover prone and will make the wrong decisions from time to time. Both are aggressive players. Sure, there might be some things one does better than the other, but they both bring the same things to the table. At this point in their careers, it's tough to choose one over the other.

The only real thing that separates them is experience. That and they're nearly a decade apart (age). Jackson will continue declining, Green should continue to improve. Either way, I'm happy to have both on the squad and Jefferson out of the picture.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Why don't people take a larger sample size before making "told you so" threads? Never took statistics classes I see. Timvp has a great stats thread here. Read it.

If you look at stats, even career ones, Stephen Jackson is less than ordinary. He shoots below the NBA average (36%) for three pointers(33.7%) and actually shoots worse in the playoffs (31.8%).

'There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.' - Mark Twain

[DesignatedT]

Yeah Derek Fisher can't run an offense what so ever.

So stupid.

[T Park]

Ok be a dick about it. It's no coincidence he had the worst +/- on the team. He was bad at running point with Tony out. Flat out bad. He isn't a PG anymore than RMJ was.

Letting Neal concentrate on his bread and butter would be in the best interest of him and the team. (Shooting the ball). Not expecting him to be something he's not.

SGs as point guards work just fine.

Worked great in 09....

[therealtruth]

Ya'll realize Green is just SJaxx revisited right?

The two pretty much have the same game (going back to Jackson's breakout year). It's unsure whether or not Green will have the same career arc as Jackson, but on court, Their games pretty much carry the same strength and short comings.

Both possess fearlessness, both are willing shooters, both handle the ball fairly well and are good passers, both are turnover prone and will make the wrong decisions from time to time. Both are aggressive players. Sure, there might be some things one does better than the other, but they both bring the same things to the table. At this point in their careers, it's tough to choose one over the other.

The only real thing that separates them is experience. That and nearly a decade. Jackson will continue declining, Green should continue to improve. Either way, I'm happy to have both on the squad and Jefferson out of the picture.

I think KL and Green have the 3 spot covered. Now if Jackson could be turned into a replacement for Bonner I think the team would be complete. Blair like he showed tonight can provide energy of the bench.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Yeah Derek Fisher can't run an offense what so ever.

John Paxson
Steve Kerr
Derek Fisher

All smallish guards with average handles that people mistook for PGs in a Phil Jackson offense that doesn't have one.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Kid sucks.... my boys will make an example of him and this whole scrub azz team tomorrow night.

[JRHernandez88]

Kid sucks.... my boys will make an example of him and this whole scrub azz team tomorrow night.


:rolleyes:jack...





BRING IT ON CLOWN :hungry:

[Borosai]

Parker - Leonard - Jackson
Neal - Ginobili - Green

OR

Parker - Green - Leonard
Neal - Ginobili - Jackson

Leonard has to start and set the defensive tone early. Jackson should start if he's right for the role. Either way, that's a nice rotation.

[shraediggz]

Kid sucks.... my boys will make an example of him and this whole scrub azz team tomorrow night.


You are certainly right sir. Jason Kidd does kinda suck this year. I'm pretty sure he and the rest of his scrub azz teammates will be made examples of.

[Spurtacus]

Kid sucks.... my boys will make an example of him and this whole scrub azz team tomorrow night.

Only reason Mavs may win tomorrow night is because the Spurs played a road back to back.

[DMC]

Wonder if Houston will release Fisher and he will return to the Lakers.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Only reason Mavs may win tomorrow night is because the Spurs played a road back to back.

Spurs aren't losing. Dirk will take one look at Mav killer Jack and he'll run and hide.

[dylankerouac]

The dude may not have the best +/- numbers but he is clutch.

[T Park]

John Paxson
Steve Kerr
Derek Fisher

All smallish guards with average handles that people mistook for PGs in a Phil Jackson offense that doesn't have one.

Ill take all the Kerry Fisher and Paxsons you wanna give me.

Neal is none of those.

[Spurs da champs]

Wonder if Houston will release Fisher and he will return to the Lakers.

I doubt it since they still have Blake.

TJastal is stupid as hell dumb ass saying "Green is stronger then Leonard". smh

[T Park]

Wonder if Houston will release Fisher and he will return to the Lakers.

New CBA disallows that.

[JRHernandez88]

You are certainly right sir. Jason Kidd does kinda suck this year. I'm pretty sure he and the rest of his scrub azz teammates will be made examples of.
:nope And dont forget our bench almost singlehandedly taking them to over time which should of been a win for us if it wasn't for the ball being on danny green's fingertips.

[jag]

Solid game from Green. Again, I get that he's overrated by GNSF, but GNSF is retarded. He's inconsistent but I've always liked his intensity and activity on defense and while crashing the boards. Those are thing you can always count on. I also like that he's comfortable and confident in this system on both ends of the floor; he's not a guy that gets down on himself. He knows this role, seems to have good chemistry with everyone and works his butt off.

If he stays focused I think he can end up being a solid rotation player.

[SenorSpur]

It's amazing what any athlete can do when put in the right situation and is brimming with confidence. Green had a great game tonight. Nothing more and nothing less. He's making his share of mistakes but is an ever-improving player. He's got a role on this team, a place in thie rotation and is the primary reason Anderson has been made all but expendable. More importantly, Pop loves him. Let's not overrate him, but let's also give him his due when he performs well.

[Fpoonsie]

I thoroughly enjoyed his 3 in tha corner right in front of the Thunder bench, and the fist pump right after. It wasn't so much a showboating move, but a "thank FUCK that went in" gesture.

[therealtruth]

Green demonstrates that playing with confidence can make a difference in how good a player is. He doesn't have tons of athleticism but is able to make a difference. He's a poor man's Manu Ginobili.

[crc21209]

:lol Josh Howard. No way in hell that guy would've survived here. Glad Green didnt go anywhere :tu

[timtonymanu]

:lol Josh Howard. No way in hell that guy would've survived here. Glad Green didnt go anywhere :tu

Yeah that was a scary rumor.

[TJastal]

I doubt it since they still have Blake.

TJastal is stupid as hell dumb ass saying "Green is stronger then Leonard". smh

I said they were both capable defenders of Durant.



Actually that sounds a lot like I was endorsing Leonard as the best choice. Damn guess you're wrong again. Imagine that.

[Spurs da champs]

I said they were both capable defenders of Durant.



Actually that sounds a lot like I was endorsing Leonard as the best choice. Damn guess you're wrong again. Imagine that.

I'm not talking about you saying if Green could guard Durant or not, I was saying how stupid you are for saying Green is stronger than Leonard. And your boy Pop didn't agree with you it seems, I didn't see Green on Durant once.

And again going by your logic Green is stronger then Howard as well, anybody will tell you by its way obvious Leonard is bigger/stronger then Green.

[TJastal]

I'm not talking about you saying if Green could guard Durant or not, I was saying how stupid you are for saying Green is stronger than Leonard..

So now I'm stupid for pointing out a difference in strength? Why, does it bother you or something?


And your boy Pop didn't agree with you it seems, I didn't see Green on Durant once.

And? I agreed Leonard was the favorable choice. All I maintain is that Green is also a capable backup defender. Something you don't seem to want to acknowledge.

[Spurs da champs]

So now I'm stupid for pointing out a difference in strength? Why, does it bother you or something?



And? I agreed Leonard was the favorable choice. All I maintain is that Green is also a capable backup defender. Something you don't seem to want to acknowledge.

No you're stupid for ignoring the fact that Danny Green also had more reps then Howard, going by that logic Green is stronger then Howard right?

[TJastal]

No you're stupid for ignoring the fact that Danny Green also had more reps then Howard, going by that logic Green is stronger then Howard right?

Back then, yes. You think Howard was built like he is now back then? :lol That took DH years to get that big thanks to an extremely intense weightlifting regime.

Here's a pic of the very skinny Howard on draft night:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/104/thumbnailpi.jpg

[Spurs da champs]

Back then, yes. You think Howard was built like he is now back then? :lol That took DH years to get that big thanks to an extremely intense weightlifting regime.

Here's a pic of the very skinny Howard on draft night:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/104/thumbnailpi.jpg

Regardless he'd still be stronger then Green, you can't read too deep into those, it's mostly effort rather then actual strength.

[TJastal]

Regardless he'd still be stronger then Green, you can't read too deep into those, it's mostly effort rather then actual strength.

I agree it doesn't mean he's flat out a better defender than Khawi (and I never said that) but give the guy his due credit. He is the 2nd best we got currently for handling the Durant assignment and could be counted on if Leonard got into foul problems.

As far as Green being physically more powerful that was really just superflous to the main argument. While it may not help him against a finesse player like Durant it could certainly enable him to excel in other matchups, such as physical guards like Wade & Kobe. IIRC George Hill used do quite well when matched up against Kobe, and Green is built much the same way.

[TJastal]

And speaking of fouls, its worthy of note that Khawi Leonard had a grand total of 1 foul in 39 minutes of action.

This guy continues to make me eat crow about him. That is huge given the fact that Durant normally lives on the line against most teams. Keep the thunder off the line and they become fairly easy to beat.

[Hoops Czar]

Lol, he is expendable. Where are these threads when he goes 0-7 from the floor with 4 or 5 turnovers?

[Spurs da champs]

I agree it doesn't mean he's flat out a better defender than Khawi (and I never said that) but give the guy his due credit. He is the 2nd best we got currently for handling the Durant assignment and could be counted on if Leonard got into foul problems.

As far as Green being physically more powerful that was really just superflous to the main argument. While it may not help him against a finesse player like Durant it could certainly enable him to excel in other matchups, such as physical guards like Wade & Kobe. IIRC George Hill used do quite well when matched up against Kobe, and Green is built much the same way.
I'll give Green his credit today he just took what the defense game him & burned them for it, but his individual defense isn't really good, & he's just way too small to guard Durant.
When Kobe posted up George instead of settling, then that match up was a mismatch. I'd much rather have Leonard guard Kobe because of his size & length, I'm not sure Green would fare to well at all, he's just not smart enough, I'd see Kobe having a field day with him on ball fakes.

You should've seen how Chris Paul was abusing him now imagine Kobe...

[TJastal]

I'll give Green his credit today he just took what the defense game him & burned them for it, but his individual defense isn't really good, & he's just way too small to guard Durant.
When Kobe posted up George instead of settling, then that match up was a mismatch. I'd much rather have Leonard guard Kobe because of his size & length, I'm not sure Green would fare to well at all, he's just not smart enough, I'd see Kobe having a field day with him on ball fakes.

You should've seen how Chris Paul was abusing him now imagine Kobe...

Okay, we understand. Leonard = god in your view. Let's just give the other guys a teency bit of credit here. Guys like Kobe and Chris Paul aren't exactly easy to guard, ya know?

And Green was having problems with screens earlier this year, but it appears he is learning quickly on the fly. Green seems anything but "dumb" to me. A very cerebral player IMO. Perhaps I'm watching a different Danny Green.

And we know from past history that Bowen even had problems trying to stay with Chris Paul. I'm fairly sure he would have made Leonard look pretty foolish as well (or perhaps not). Should be interesting to see if he draws point guard assignments in the future. Unfortunately for Green, he was handed the assignment and he failed. I bet a lot of guys can say "I guarded Chris Paul and I failed". How about that.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Wonder if Houston will release Fisher and he will return to the Lakers.

Brush up on yo B Ball knowledge nut licker :lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its called the triangle offense and they don't run it anymore. Of course Fisher is going to suck when he plays in PG in a more traditional pick and roll set. Its the same reason Kerr really couldn't play in our offense.

[Maddog]

He's essentially still in his rookie season. This was his 70th game played.

Thank you, Danny Ferry, for bird dogging him from your Cleveland days.

This is a fact that should be kept in mind
I do not think for any reason he will be a star- but the kid has potential to be a starter in the NBA and a great complimentary player on a title team
If the Spurs can luck into another superstar having Leonard and Green as compliments will go a long way in the future.

[TP2150]

It looks like a young Stephen Jackson.

[Gagnrath]

And we know from past history that Bowen even had problems trying to stay with Chris Paul. I'm fairly sure he would have made Leonard look pretty foolish as well (or perhaps not). Should be interesting to see if he draws point guard assignments in the future. Unfortunately for Green, he was handed the assignment and he failed. I bet a lot of guys can say "I guarded Chris Paul and I failed". How about that.

Bowen's issues on Chris Paul are from the last couple of years Bowen was in the league when he had obviously lost a step or two. Bowen at 37 is slower than Paul at 24 isn't a surprise The 06 and 07 seasons were a little different though you could see the slowing Bowen resorting to more head games and semi-cheap jabs against quicker perimeter players.

I'm not sure than either Green or Leonard can adequately man guard Chris Paul or any other elite point-guard right now. You've got a guy who is going to be a solid rotation player in Green who is still within his first 82 games as a player, and Leonard who I see as being a borderline all star every year in a couple of years, as a true rookie. So shame in rookies looking mediocre against 27 year old all stars entering their prime. Its how they look against that same match up in 2 years. If they are competitive they are doing really well.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Bowen's issues on Chris Paul are from the last couple of years Bowen was in the league when he had obviously lost a step or two. Bowen at 37 is slower than Paul at 24 isn't a surprise The 06 and 07 seasons were a little different though you could see the slowing Bowen resorting to more head games and semi-cheap jabs against quicker perimeter players.

I'm not sure than either Green or Leonard can adequately man guard Chris Paul or any other elite point-guard right now. You've got a guy who is going to be a solid rotation player in Green who is still within his first 82 games as a player, and Leonard who I see as being a borderline all star every year in a couple of years, as a true rookie. So shame in rookies looking mediocre against 27 year old all stars entering their prime. Its how they look against that same match up in 2 years. If they are competitive they are doing really well.

The best way to slow down Chris Paul is to make him work on both ends. Tony wasn't there to do that.

[wildbill2u]

:ihit:ihit:ihit

Green, like Neal, needs to play with consistency. Both of them have some really really good games sandwiched in between some that aren't so good.

I think I've noticed a pattern with Neal where he'll shoot the lights out in one game and the very next game can't seem to hit the side of a barn. (Makes me wondier if he does too much partying after a great game)

When his shots aren't falling, Green has the ability to fall back on his defensive ability--but sometimes both seem to disappear at the same time. With Green, it may be that he loses confidence when his shooting is off and then doesn't fall back on defense to make a contribution.

Sir Charles made a very smart statement on NBA=TV not too long ago when talking about the difference between players with talent that succeed and those that fail or never quite make it. He said it was all mental toughness to work and apply their talent night in and night out that made the difference between players.

Let's hope that Green has it, because he has some legitimate NBA tools that he shows from time to time.

[SenorSpur]

Green, like Neal, needs to play with consistency. Both of them have some really really good games sandwiched in between some that aren't so good.

I think I've noticed a pattern with Neal where he'll shoot the lights out in one game and the very next game can't seem to hit the side of a barn. (Makes me wondier if he does too much partying after a great game)

When his shots aren't falling, Green has the ability to fall back on his defensive ability--but sometimes both seem to disappear at the same time. With Green, it may be that he loses confidence when his shooting is off and then doesn't fall back on defense to make a contribution.

Sir Charles made a very smart statement on NBA=TV not too long ago when talking about the difference between players with talent that succeed and those that fail or never quite make it. He said it was all mental toughness to work and apply their talent night in and night out that made the difference between players.

Let's hope that Green has it, because he has some legitimate NBA tools that he shows from time to time.

That same type of mental toughness usually separates the stars that post great statistics in the regular season (LeBron, Carmelo) versus the superstars that will their team to another level and win championships (Duncan, Kobe).

[Gagnrath]

I am liking alot of the Spurs younger guys quite a bit. Neal, in a Kerr like role, he's not really a point guard he's a slightly small 2 with a bit of bulk sharpshooter and bench guy. Green a hardworking do everything 2/3, Leonard as a borderline all-star at the 3 guarding the 2,3 or 4 on the opposing team depending on match-ups. Splitter as a quality center averaging around 18 points and 12 rebounds. In 2 years when TD is retired or being Kevin Willis, and when Manu is assistant coach and latin community relations specialist This team will be set for payroll and just needing a superstar power forward to be contenders year in and year out. By then Parker will be slowing down quite a bit should be the seasoned elder a young bigman tends to need for a couple of years. This transition into the future is starting to look fairly good. My one worry is that low draft picks keep that star bigman out of the spurs roster and the money is spent on over-hyped also rans..

[G-Dawgg]

The Spurs really need to keep Danny Green. I've been skeptical of him all year but he keeps on proving me wrong... I think his 2 way play could be an asset to the Spurs for years to come. He's just going to get better..

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm bumping this thread as a reverse jinx, tbh..

Hopefully he turns it around and begins to play like a decent NBA player, I'll happily accept crow..

[TwelveGs210]

Well now we know his price isn't going to skyrocket. Let's hope RC learned doesn't offer a four year deal..