Ronny Turiaf waived

[jermaine]

I think we need him! We need someone who know to stay around the rim to rebound an try to play defense. Blair is not the answer.

[Hoops Czar]

Waiting for Diaw.

[SenorSpur]

He's not the all-around player that Diaw is, but he is has size and he's far more aggressive. While I haven't seen him play recently, he can rebound and defend in the post. I have to believe that he'd be a servicable option for what the Spurs need at this time. I'd feel more comfortable going into physical playoff series with him as a 5th big - especially against a team like the Fakers, Mavs or Grizzlies.

[Buddy Holly]

Sign for the vet. He becomes our third center.

Then sign Diaw. Diaw makes Bonner our third power forward.

[GSH]

He's not the all-around player that Diaw is, but he is has size and he's far more aggressive. While I haven't seen him play recently, he can rebound and defend in the post.

His rebounding is really pretty anemic for a guy his size, who plays around the basket. But he's definitely a better interior defender than Blair, and he blocks shots at about 5 times the rate that Blair does.

Ordinarily I would say that if Ronny Turiaf is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. Sadly, we need another big body so badly, and Blair sucks so much on defense, I'd take him if we can't get Diaw.

[DesignatedT]

Rather have Diaw. He doesn't have the tools defensively that Turiaf does but he makes up for it with a higher bbiq. He is also a great passer and can hit an open shot on offense.

[SenorSpur]

His rebounding is really pretty anemic for a guy his size, who plays around the basket. But he's definitely a better interior defender than Blair, and he blocks shots at about 5 times the rate that Blair does.

Ordinarily I would say that if Ronny Turiaf is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. Sadly, we need another big body so badly, and Blair sucks so much on defense, I'd take him if we can't get Diaw.

You'd rather have Diaw or Turiaf?

To me it's an apples and oranges comparisons in terms of their skill sets. Diaw is more of a "soft", passive SF/PF type. He's a good all-around player and a smart one at that. While I believe he'd fit in seamlessly into the Spurs, he doesn't really address what this team is lacking.

Because Turiaf is a true PF/C-type, he addresses the Spurs needs a bit better - even if his rebounding is rather anemic.

[timvp]

Can the Spurs really afford to wait to see if MJ waives Diaw? I don't think the Spurs can risk ending up empty handed by waiting around for Diaw.

For that reason, I think they should try to sign Turiaf ASAP.

The first obstacle is that a team may claim Turiaf on waivers.

[Bruno]

If he clears waivers, Turiaf won't sign with a NBA team to be an end of the bench player.

Turiaf's main goal is the Olympics game. While he should make the french NT roster for off the court reasons, it's not a given because France has a lot of depth at the center spot with Noah, Turiaf, Mahinmi, Seraphin and Traoré. Turiaf will either sign with a NBA team where he can get significant minutes or he will go back in France where he will get these minutes and practice more than in the NBA.

[timvp]

If he clears waivers, Turiaf won't sign with a NBA team to be an end of the bench player.

Turiaf's main goal is the Olympics game. While he should make the french NT roster for off the court reasons, it's not a given because France has a lot of depth at the center spot with Noah, Turiaf, Mahinmi, Seraphin and Traoré. Turiaf will either sign with a NBA team where he can get significant minutes or he will go back in France where he will get these minutes and practice more than in the NBA.

Do you think he views the Spurs situation as one where he can get some minutes or do you think he'd need to be convinced by Pop that there are minutes to be had?

I doubt Pop would guarantee minutes but then again, the Spurs are pretty desperate . . .

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Is it too much money for the Spurs to grab both Diaw and Turiaf?

[SenorSpur]

If he clears waivers, Turiaf won't sign with a NBA team to be an end of the bench player.

Turiaf's main goal is the Olympics game. While he should make the french NT roster for off the court reasons, it's not a given because France has a lot of depth at the center spot with Noah, Turiaf, Mahinmi, Seraphin and Traoré. Turiaf will either sign with a NBA team where he can get significant minutes or he will go back in France where he will get these minutes and practice more than in the NBA.

I certainly get what you're saying, but hell, he's been an end-of the-bench player for the past couple of years. Perhaps having TP as lead recruiter, would help give the Spurs the edge.

And I agree with LJ, rather that wait for Diaw, if the Spurs can swing it, I'd sure get Turiaf in here pronto.

[TJastal]

He's not the all-around player that Diaw is, but he is has size and he's far more aggressive. While I haven't seen him play recently, he can rebound and defend in the post. I have to believe that he'd be a servicable option for what the Spurs need at this time. I'd feel more comfortable going into physical playoff series with him as a 5th big - especially against a team like the Fakers, Mavs or Grizzlies.

+1

Give me Turiaf, not that other fat ass.

[T Park]

Is it too much money for the Spurs to grab both Diaw and Turiaf?

First off, the signature is awesome

second, I would guess yes due to they included Ford "allegedly" so that it would clear money to make room for another player.

So I doubt it was enough clearance for two.

[loveforthegame]

Seems risky to wait on Diaw if Turiaf is willing to come here and is healthy.

He could surely get some of Blair's minutes just on his hustle and defense alone.

It's not like we can be picky here either. We need some depth up front that's been evident from the start.

Would the Spurs sign both if given the chance?

[TJastal]

You'd rather have Diaw or Turiaf?

To me it's an apples and oranges comparisons in terms of their skill sets. Diaw is more of a "soft", passive SF/PF type. He's a good all-around player and a smart one at that. While I believe he'd fit in seamlessly into the Spurs, he doesn't really address what this team is lacking.

Because Turiaf is a true PF/C-type, he addresses the Spurs needs a bit better - even if his rebounding is rather anemic.

Spurs are tops in the league in defensive rebounding, I don't think this particular weakness would be exposed that badly. We need a guy who will get physical in the paint, Turiaf is that guy.

[Bruno]

Do you think he views the Spurs situation as one where he can get some minutes or do you think he'd need to be convinced by Pop that there are minutes to be had?

I doubt Pop would guarantee minutes but then again, the Spurs are pretty desperate . . .

The only way Turiaf could get minutes with Spurs is Pop starting Splitter/Duncan and have Bonner/Turiaf as backups. When you see how little Pop has paired Duncan with Splitter, I doubt it's his plan.

IMO, Spurs really want and have a good chance at getting Diaw.

[Bruno]

I certainly get what you're saying, but hell, he's been an end-of the-bench player for the past couple of years.

Turiaf has been a backup big playing around 18-20 mpg these past four years. He hasn't been an end of the bench player.

[Sense]

Am I the only one that thinks Turiaf sucks?

I would not be upset if we didn't get him, I'd rather have Bonner, tbh.

[Russ]

I would risk losing Turiaf for even a small chance at Diaw.

Turiaf has a lot of baggage health-wise and otherwise.

Diaw has some baggage, too, but a heckuva lot more upside.

[venitian navigator]

Turiaf is good coming from the bench.
He would be the best shot blocker in the team, after Tim.
Very important when a defensive stop is needed.
Diaw is the kind of player that has enough skills and the IQ to start.

We need both, imho.
Hope the franch connection works and the fo is willing to spend some more money...

[GSH]

You'd rather have Diaw or Turiaf?

To me it's an apples and oranges comparisons in terms of their skill sets. Diaw is more of a "soft", passive SF/PF type. He's a good all-around player and a smart one at that. While I believe he'd fit in seamlessly into the Spurs, he doesn't really address what this team is lacking.

Because Turiaf is a true PF/C-type, he addresses the Spurs needs a bit better - even if his rebounding is rather anemic.

Hmmm... I hate it when people use logic, and make me think and stuff. JK. It's the big reason I come here. I actually had to think about your question for a minute.


You've got some good points. My problem with Turiaf is that I don't see him as a high BBIQ guy, to say the least. And you only have to look at his numbers to see that he really doesn't rebound very well. And I don't have any memory of him coming out and setting quality picks like, say, Fabbs. He doesn't pass out of the post for shit, so forget about assists.

On the other hand, he is a banger, which we could use. He blocks shots fairly regularly, which we could use. And when he does clean something up around the basket, he doesn't go up with those sissy lay-ins (that our guys miss with some regularity). And he's got legitimate 6'10" height, while Diaw is another 6'8" guy in the low blocks, which I'm sick of.

I guess I have the idea that Diaw is more steady, and Turiaf is more streaky. When Turiaf is having a good night (especially against a lesser team) he chest-pounds and yells, and makes sure that's the way you remember him. I still remember too many nights when he couldn't do shit.

I don't know... your comments reminded me of what we're really missing. Not just another guy in the middle, but a guy who is big and strong enough to legitimately play C, and defend other legitimate bigs. There's a reason Diaw was making $9M this year, and Turiaf was making $4M. But I guess that's immaterial, if one meets our needs better. I'll say this much - if we sign Turiaf, I won't bitch at all. At least not until he starts whiffing boards, and failing to set picks. And maybe not even then, if he can actually defend like he's capable of.

[loveforthegame]

I trust Turiaf to get physical and give a hard foul inside. He's a ball of energy. He's not going to put the fear into the other team but they'll take him more seriously than they do Bonner and Blair that's for sure.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs need a starting PF. Not C. Turiaf does not really fit that role next to Duncan and I see Pop having a hard time playing him there. All signing Turiaf would do is take minutes away from Tiago if Pop isn't willing to play 2 inside players at the same time and nothing he's done has shown he's willing to start playing Tim and Tiago together.

Signing Diaw will at least take minutes away from Bonner and Blair seeing that they are most alike and let Tiago continue to get his. Diaw starting next to Duncan makes sense.

[acoelho1]

I hope it's Turiaf. We need more size and physicality on the frontline. Diaw would be another "big" playing as a small forward a la Bonner.

[T Park]

Turiaf, IMO, would not work well with Splitter, better with Duncan.

Im sure though Bonner won't lose any minutes.

[DesignatedT]

Going by Pops track record the last few years Turiaf would end up taking minutes from Tiago. Highly doubtful Pop would start Turiaf, it's quite obvious he doesn't like the Splitter/TD starting lineup leaving Blair to continue to get minutes. Diaw would at least assure Blair to the bench seeing that he is a much better offensive fit next to Duncan in the starting lineup - something Pop is obviously fond of.

[SenorSpur]

Hmmm... I hate it when people use logic, and make me think and stuff. JK. It's the big reason I come here. I actually had to think about your question for a minute.


You've got some good points. My problem with Turiaf is that I don't see him as a high BBIQ guy, to say the least. And you only have to look at his numbers to see that he really doesn't rebound very well. And I don't have any memory of him coming out and setting quality picks like, say, Fabbs. He doesn't pass out of the post for shit, so forget about assists.

On the other hand, he is a banger, which we could use. He blocks shots fairly regularly, which we could use. And when he does clean something up around the basket, he doesn't go up with those sissy lay-ins (that our guys miss with some regularity). And he's got legitimate 6'10" height, while Diaw is another 6'8" guy in the low blocks, which I'm sick of.

I guess I have the idea that Diaw is more steady, and Turiaf is more streaky. When Turiaf is having a good night (especially against a lesser team) he chest-pounds and yells, and makes sure that's the way you remember him. I still remember too many nights when he couldn't do shit.

I don't know... your comments reminded me of what we're really missing. Not just another guy in the middle, but a guy who is big and strong enough to legitimately play C, and defend other legitimate bigs. There's a reason Diaw was making $9M this year, and Turiaf was making $4M. But I guess that's immaterial, if one meets our needs better. I'll say this much - if we sign Turiaf, I won't bitch at all. At least not until he starts whiffing boards, and failing to set picks. And maybe not even then, if he can actually defend like he's capable of.

And if the Spurs ended up getting Diaw, I wouldn't bitch either. Though, I've successfully talked myself into wanting Turiaf slightly more.

Both these guys have their share of baggage. With Turiaf, it's his history of health issues. With Diaw, it's his RJ-like, lethargic, on-court play and his eternal love of pastries.

Realistically, I'd like to see the Spurs get a big that can do two things: 1. Give them solid contribution to mitigate Duncan's skill-level decline. 2. Become a solid role player beyond this season. That said, I don't know if either of these guys totally fit the bill, but I'd sure take my chances on either for the stretch drive.

For that matter, if getting either one of these guys means Bonner's minutes are reduced - even slightly - count me in.

[xellos88330]

I don't care who it is. If there is a player who can defend the post w/o needing much help and has the ability to block shots and make players think twice before bringing the ball into the paint, then so be it.

[TJastal]

Going by Pops track record the last few years Turiaf would end up taking minutes from Tiago. Highly doubtful Pop would start Turiaf, it's quite obvious he doesn't like the Splitter/TD starting lineup leaving Blair to continue to get minutes. Diaw would at least assure Blair to the bench seeing that he is a much better offensive fit next to Duncan in the starting lineup - something Pop is obviously fond of.


Problem I see here is Duncan doesn't operate in the low post much these days anymore. The way things have evolved, Diaw and Duncan are not an optimal fit together. Circa 1999-2007 I'd say go for it. But not so much anymore. With Duncan doing most of his damage out past the free throw line these days, Blair is quite honestly the better fit offensively.

So if we're going the Diaw route, upgrading Blair with Splitter in the starting lineup is the way to go. Diaw would be then replace Bonner in the 2nd unit and run with Blair. But this is also assuming Diaw would be a better defender than Bonner.

But like you said, Pop is dead set against the Splitter-Duncan pairing for some unknown reason.

[DesignatedT]

While that's true. I think you will see Duncan playing a lot more inside once the game slows down and the playoffs start. I think him playing outside during the regular season is somewhat planned to help him take less of a beating. He will definitely have to run more 4 down once the playoffs begin.

[benefactor]

Turiaf is a great outside shooter though

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Turiaf addresses a need, unline Diaw, despite the latter being more talented.

Any chance the Spurs got wind on someone else, apart from these two, who could be released and would eventually target?

[timvp]

Would signing Turiaf make Diaw more likely to sign? It's possible. Then again, maybe Diaw wouldn't want to "steal" minutes from his friend and will look to sign somewhere else.



Turiaf vs. Diaw is a great debate. Especially since Turiaf is now available and Diaw might not be available until the offseason. Both sides bring up great points, tbh.

[SenorSpur]

Problem I see here is Duncan doesn't operate in the low post much these days anymore. The way things have evolved, Diaw and Duncan are not an optimal fit together. Circa 1999-2007 I'd say go for it. But not so much anymore. With Duncan doing most of his damage out past the free throw line these days, Blair is quite honestly the better fit offensively.

That is a true statement. Except for a few isolated opportunities per game, Duncan has morphed into an elbow playing big.

So if we're going the Diaw route, upgrading Blair with Splitter in the starting lineup is the way to go. Diaw would be then replace Bonner in the 2nd unit and run with Blair. But this is also assuming Diaw would be a better defender than Bonner.

Diaw replace Bonner in the 2nd unit? It's a delicious proposition, but I can't see it happening as long as Pop is coach. Hell, Bonner plays too many minutes as it is - no matter how many defensive assignment and rotations he botches.

[TJastal]

While that's true. I think you will see Duncan playing a lot more inside once the game slows down and the playoffs start. I think him playing outside during the regular season is somewhat planned to help him take less of a beating. He will definitely have to run more 4 down once the playoffs begin.

Really bad idea IMO. Duncan will not last past the 2nd round if the spurs are going to be relying heavily on him for most of their post points.

That's where Splitter comes in. Problem is, thanks to Pop's bizarre procrastination strategy, Tiago will enter the playoffs with very little polish on his game. :(

[DPG21920]

**conspiracy theory**

Maybe CHA out of spite doesn't want to buyout Diaw knowing he wants the Spurs. Perhaps signing Turiaf will lead them to believe Spurs are out of the picture and they'll let him go and Spurs can have both.

[Jumi]

The only way Turiaf could get minutes with Spurs is Pop starting Splitter/Duncan and have Bonner/Turiaf as backups. When you see how little Pop has paired Duncan with Splitter, I doubt it's his plan.

IMO, Spurs really want and have a good chance at getting Diaw.

Duncan/Diaw, Splitter/Bonner with Blair being the fifth big!

[Jumi]

Duncan/Diaw, Splitter/Bonner with Blair being the fifth big!

My account has finally been approved!!!!!! Spursfan living in Indy!!

[ace3g]

3_DxcKlPwZY

[Wild Cobra Kai]

He's not the all-around player that Diaw is, but he is has size and he's far more aggressive. While I haven't seen him play recently, he can rebound and defend in the post. I have to believe that he'd be a servicable option for what the Spurs need at this time. I'd feel more comfortable going into physical playoff series with him as a 5th big - especially against a team like the Fakers, Mavs or Grizzlies.

Turiaf is no larger than Blair, and in fact is just a hairier, smellier, worse rebounding version of him. He would be of absolutely NO help against Memphis or the LAL.

[ElNono]

Turiaf is no larger than Blair, and in fact is just a hairier, smellier, worse rebounding version of him. He would be of absolutely NO help against Memphis or the LAL.

But this is the byproduct of having to watch guys like Blair and Bonner massacred on a daily basis. A semi-scrub that knows how to block a shot starts looking like Wilt, tbh

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Problem I see here is Duncan doesn't operate in the low post much these days anymore. The way things have evolved, Diaw and Duncan are not an optimal fit together. Circa 1999-2007 I'd say go for it. But not so much anymore. With Duncan doing most of his damage out past the free throw line these days, Blair is quite honestly the better fit offensively.

So if we're going the Diaw route, upgrading Blair with Splitter in the starting lineup is the way to go. Diaw would be then replace Bonner in the 2nd unit and run with Blair. But this is also assuming Diaw would be a better defender than Bonner.

But like you said, Pop is dead set against the Splitter-Duncan pairing for some unknown reason.


While that's true. I think you will see Duncan playing a lot more inside once the game slows down and the playoffs start. I think him playing outside during the regular season is somewhat planned to help him take less of a beating. He will definitely have to run more 4 down once the playoffs begin.


Really bad idea IMO. Duncan will not last past the 2nd round if the spurs are going to be relying heavily on him for most of their post points.

That's where Splitter comes in. Problem is, thanks to Pop's bizarre procrastination strategy, Tiago will enter the playoffs with very little polish on his game. :(

Someone said that you don't watch the games, and I'm really starting to believe that. Tim has already slid comfortably back into the post over the past dozen games. Playing 30 something games plus the playoffs is less than half the wear of playing 82 games plus playoffs.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

But this is the byproduct of having to watch guys like Blair and Bonner massacred on a daily basis. A semi-scrub that knows how to block a shot starts looking like Wilt, tbh

His offense is more of a train wreck that DeJuan's, though. SA actually declines the O glass to get back, taking out his only effective scoring means.

I don't think you can play on this team if you can't pass the ball effectively.

[Bruno]

Duncan/Diaw, Splitter/Bonner with Blair being the fifth big!

Agree, that's Spurs/Pop plan.

Welcome on ST. :toast

[TJastal]

Someone said that you don't watch the games, and I'm really starting to believe that. Tim has already slid comfortably back into the post over the past dozen games. Playing 30 something games plus the playoffs is less than half the wear of playing 82 games plus playoffs.

So what Timmy has played a handful of games mixing in a few post moves. You honestly are trying to tell us the spurs will be able to ride that through the entire playoffs? This isn't 2003 anymore. I think you need to let off the crackpipe some, son.

[TJastal]

His offense is more of a train wreck that DeJuan's, though. SA actually declines the O glass to get back, taking out his only effective scoring means.

I don't think you can play on this team if you can't pass the ball effectively.

Turiaf averages more assists in less minutes, go figure. Just say no, man.

[GSH]

Turiaf is no larger than Blair, and in fact is just a hairier, smellier, worse rebounding version of him. He would be of absolutely NO help against Memphis or the LAL.


Turiaf is taller than Blair (the combine measurements just aren't that far off), but not as much as I thought. I thought he was legitimately 6'10", but there's no way.

Damn I'm sick of undersized bigs.

3_DxcKlPwZY

[mexpurs21]

Make it happen :lol

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Ronny+Turiaf+Tony+Parker+hosts+Par+Coeur+Gala+8tJL WHOK2fEl.jpg

[TJastal]

Make it happen :lol

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Ronny+Turiaf+Tony+Parker+hosts+Par+Coeur+Gala+8tJL WHOK2fEl.jpg

Knowing Parker to be 6'3", visually it appears Turiaf is around 6'9" and Diaw @ 6'7".

Both undersized, but still 6'9" > 6'7"

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Am I the only one that thinks Turiaf sucks?

I would not be upset if we didn't get him, I'd rather have Bonner, tbh.

No, I 100% agree. He is a terrible basketball player.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Turiaf is no larger than Blair, and in fact is just a hairier, smellier, worse rebounding version of him. He would be of absolutely NO help against Memphis or the LAL.

You are absolutely right. However, Turiaf is flat out worse than Blair. And why would we want to play for someone worse than Blair. I want Diaw, and I don't want Turiaf on this roster. Hopefully they Spurs don't sign this guy, only to see Diaw available a week later.

[mexpurs21]

Knowing Parker to be 6'3", visually it appears Turiaf is around 6'9" and Diaw @ 6'7".

Both undersized, but still 6'9" > 6'7"

Tony is listed as 6'2'' (with shoes)

[TJastal]

You are absolutely right. However, Turiaf is flat out worse than Blair. And why would we want to play for someone worse than Blair. I want Diaw, and I don't want Turiaf on this roster. Hopefully they Spurs don't sign this guy, only to see Diaw available a week later.

Turiaf can play good defense though which allows more flexibility in lineups. Remember that whole "turd towers" thing?

[Hooks]

Turiaf is a MUCH better defender than Blair, and that's what the spurs need! A big body guy like Turing would help quite a bit.


Honestly Do we really want Diaw? Everybody says he's soft as hell, and that is not what the spurs need.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Do we know if we've been seriously linked to him, and who else has?

[bklynspursfan]

Do we know if we've been seriously linked to him, and who else has?

Boston & Miami. Haven't seen us yet

[Darkwaters]

I'm pulling his stats for the season and it says hes only played in four games this year. Has he been hurt? If not, why hasn't he played?

Regardless, I'm assuming hes not really in game shape now. We'd have to break him back in.

I personally like the Diaw prospect much much better. But with Turiaf currently available, and Diaw not, I don't really know what to do. Fortunately it will take a little while for him to clear waivers and maybe the Diaw picture will become more clear in that time.

[TDMVPDPOY]

cant we get both players?

its not like both have any competition to make the french NT.....

[jjktkk]

Knowing Parker to be 6'3", visually it appears Turiaf is around 6'9" and Diaw @ 6'7".

Both undersized, but still 6'9" > 6'7"

Really? So Parker grew a inch. Interesting.

[Spurs Brazil]

Turiaf would help a lot in a match up against Lakers or Memphis.

We have NO CHANCE with Blair and Bonner playing minutes against those teams

Turiaf would be great to bang Z-Bo, Gasols and Bynum

[Spurtacus]

Get him. No sense in waiting for Diaw to possibly be bought out. Roster stands at 14 including Eric Dawson and Patty Mills. We've got the room to squeeze Turiaf and Diaw in once Dawson's 10 day expires. Spurs FO can't be cheap in these final years; pay the damn luxury tax.

Edit. Is max roster size still 15 with 12 suited for game?

[Buddy Holly]

Really? So Parker grew a inch. Interesting.

More like 2-3. Parker isn't 6'2. A little taller than 6 but not 6'2.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Turiaf averages more assists in less minutes, go figure. Just say no, man.

How about that rebounding?

Blair 5.8 in 21 mins
Turiaf 3.0 in 14 minutes

Just say no.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

More like 2-3. Parker isn't 6'2. A little taller than 6 but not 6'2.

If you watch any games against Dallas, he's taller than JKidd who's listed at 6'4" and always has been.

[slick'81]

says diaw is placed on inactive list should be bought out soon

between the two not sure who would help more like others have stated two really different players

[loveforthegame]

The fact is we could use both. We need bodies to throw at the array of bigs we'll see in the playoffs.

[DMC]

Turiaf and Duncan are great friends. I wouldn't doubt him coming to SA. He's one of my favorite players in the league.

[Beaverfuzz]

Fuck him too.

[Buddy Holly]

What if we got both?

[TD 21]

I said a while ago that I think Turiaf is the better fit, because he'd allow Splitter to start, he can defend both big positions and he can protect the rim. There's no question Diaw is the more talented player, but he's not talented enough to where that should supersede fit.

I agree with timvp, that the Spurs should at least contact his agent and pretend to be seriously interested, in case Diaw doesn't get bought out. And he might not, because he's the only known buyout candidate who's still playing some for his team. Turiaf is already going to be more difficult to sign to begin with, because he's a center. The Celtics and Heat have interest. He'd either start or be the first big off the bench with the Celtics. With the Heat, he'll be no more than a sparingly used fourth big, but he'd have his best chance at a ring. Even if the Spurs were seriously interested though, with the news that O'Neal is done with the Celtics and Wilcox is out for the season, that's going to be difficult to turn down for him. With the Spurs, I can't see him being promised a spot in the rotation.

[Darkwaters]

What if we got both?

If it's on the cheap thats probably ideal. What are the chances of that though?

[loveforthegame]

Knowing the Spurs they probably won't sign either. Watch it be some other bought out player and or stick with guys like Dawson.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Knowing the Spurs they probably won't sign either. Watch it be some other bought out player and or stick with guys like Dawson.

They're not going forward with Dawson. He was only signed to round out a minimum roster number for the Dallas game with TJ and RJ gone and Jack not yet here.

[Ice009]

Agree, that's Spurs/Pop plan.

Welcome on ST. :toast

Bruno, how can you have Bonner in the playoff rotation? If we had those players how would you have the rotation? What is your personal opinion of Bonner, Bruno?

[Bruno]

Bruno, how can you have Bonner in the playoff rotation? If we had those players how would you have the rotation? What is your personal opinion of Bonner, Bruno?

I'm not saying that what I want but I'm saying that what Pop will do. It's obvious that he likes more Bonner than Blair. In the last playoffs Blair was the one getting benched and this year Blair almost never plays in the 4th quarter aside garbage time. It's obvious too that he doesn't like pairing Duncan and Splitter. For the playoffs and if Spurs get Diaw, Pop will basically split the minutes at C between Duncan and Splitter. The PF spot will be split between Diaw, Bonner and small ball.

My personal opinion is that, in the playoffs, Duncan and Splitter should play as much as possible. They should be paired at the end of the games. If Spurs can get Diaw, he should get a lot of the remaining minutes. The few last minutes (maybe 10mpg) should go to Bonner but if he start shaking, Blair or small ball should get these minutes.

[Ice009]

Thanks Bruno.

You know exactly what you're doing and what should be done. Agree with you about Splitter, and if Pop doesn't do that I'd be willing to go along with his alternative.

So what do you think about the chances are of Diaw being bought out? I tried doing a little searching on Diaw yesterday, but didn't come up with much on the buyout front.

Also, those of you mentioning that Jordan doesn't want to buyout Diaw because he might sign with the Spurs, why wouldn't he? If he doesn't buy Diaw out then there is a bigger chance the Lakers win the west and Kobe has a shot at a 6th ring. If I was Jordan I'd much rather the Spurs win the West than the Lakers.

[TD 21]

I'm not saying that what I want but I'm saying that what Pop will do. It's obvious that he likes more Bonner than Blair. In the last playoffs Blair was the one getting benched and this year Blair almost never plays in the 4th quarter aside garbage time. It's obvious too that he doesn't like pairing Duncan and Splitter. For the playoffs and if Spurs get Diaw, Pop will basically split the minutes at C between Duncan and Splitter. The PF spot will be split between Diaw, Bonner and small ball.

My personal opinion is that, in the playoffs, Duncan and Splitter should play as much as possible. They should be paired at the end of the games. If Spurs can get Diaw, he should get a lot of the remaining minutes. The few last minutes (maybe 10mpg) should go to Bonner but if he start shaking, Blair or small ball should get these minutes.

Not a chance. Duncan's minutes will rise to around mid 30's in the playoffs. Splitter's minutes will be dependent on the match-up and how Blair/Bonner or, if they sign Diaw, Diaw/Bonner, play.

For example, if the playoffs started today, they'd get the Nuggets. In which case, Splitter would be used sparingly. With Nene traded, the only offensive threat they have at the big positions is Harrington, who's a stretch four. With Chandler re-signed, they'll probably play Gallinari more at the four now, but that would only further diminish the chance of Splitter playing significant minutes.

[Darkwaters]

When is the deadline for a player to be bought out, signed, and be elligible for the playoffs?

[benefactor]

I said a while ago that I think Turiaf is the better fit, because he'd allow Splitter to start, he can defend both big positions and he can protect the rim. There's no question Diaw is the more talented player, but he's not talented enough to where that should supersede fit.

Pop is not starting Splitter beside Duncan. If that hasn't become obvious by now then I don't know what to tell you.

[Bruno]

So what do you think about the chances are of Diaw being bought out? I tried doing a little searching on Diaw yesterday, but didn't come up with much on the buyout front.

Diaw will likely be bought out. Both sides want a lockout and it's a matter on how much money Diaw will give up in the process.

Something weird happened with Diaw yesterday. Silas told medias just before the game that Diaw will be activated but he finally didn't. So, either Silas didn't talk to Diaw before talking to the medias and Diaw turned down being activated so close to the start of the game, or someone in the front office refused to see Diaw activated likely to avoid a potential injury.

[Bruno]

When is the deadline for a player to be bought out, signed, and be elligible for the playoffs?

The deadline is Friday and, once waived, the player will stay 2 working days on the waivers.

[TD 21]

Pop is not starting Splitter beside Duncan. If that hasn't become obvious by now then I don't know what to tell you.

I realize that, but at least with Turiaf, that option would be at his disposal, without worrying about having zero rim protection off the bench.

[Hooks]

Seems like Diaw is a gamble to me, he could be a very solid player in the Spurs system or he could be a PF version of RJ.

With Turiaf you know what you're getting, a pretty good shot blocker that can protect the rim, a guy who hustles, a physical player that does a lot of dirty work and a big body to make it more difficult for big guys to post up on.


Getting one of them would be better than nothing though, the Spurs' front line needs some help bad because Bonner and Blair aren't going to cut it.

[DesignatedT]

Whoever comes in, whether it be Turiaf or Diaw I just want to get minutes. I feel that Diaw will have a much better chance at getting consistent minutes under Pop and taking minutes away from Blair/Bonner. Therefore I would rather have him. If you could tell me that Turiaf would come in and all of a sudden Pop loves playing Tiago/TD and Turiaf together than I'm all for it. Unfortunately, I just don't see that happening.

So just give me the big that Pop prefers because at the end of the day both are better than Blair starting.

[Dunc n Dave]

Bring on Turiaf! Defense is what this team needs.


Hey Diaw, fuk yo betta offensive game, clown!

[Buddy Holly]

If you watch any games against Dallas, he's taller than JKidd who's listed at 6'4" and always has been.

I've stood right next to Parker. I know how tall he is.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I've stood right next to Parker. I know how tall he is.

Dude, people constantly mis-estimate other people's height in relation to their own. It's because you can't see the top of YOUR head in relation to the top of his. You're looking at the top of his head and guessing.

[Old School 44]

You can bet if the Spurs don't make any real attempt at signing Turiaf this week, Diaw's in already in their back pocket.

[jermaine]

Bring on Turiaf! Defense is what this team needs.


Hey Diaw, fuk yo betta offensive game, clown!

Idk about fuck Diaw but I'd rather Turiaf! Rebounds an shot blocks is what we need! Nuttin against Blair Chen he does bring energy an pass very well but he's not a starter.

[Darkwaters]

Idk about fuck Diaw but I'd rather Turiaf! Rebounds an shot blocks is what we need! Nuttin against Blair Chen he does bring energy an pass very well but he's not a starter.

Except Turiaf isn't a prolific rebounder by any respect.

[jermaine]

Except Turiaf isn't a prolific rebounder by any respect.

Well a big body in the paint so Timmy can rest! Idk if people realize. Timmy bang with alotta bigs. He's starting to wear down. Meanwhile the opposing team have 5 bigs that get rest(see the clippers, mavs, etc) an can still maintain a lead. We need height at C or pf! We don't need scoring. Putbacks or stopping the opposing team is what we need.

[Darkwaters]

Well a big body in the paint so Timmy can rest! Idk if people realize. Timmy bang with alotta bigs. He's starting to wear down. Meanwhile the opposing team have 5 bigs that get rest(see the clippers, mavs, etc) an can still maintain a lead. We need height at C or pf! We don't need scoring. Putbacks or stopping the opposing team is what we need.

When Timmy rests we have Tiago playing. Hes 7'0 and has done all of those things.

[Hoops Czar]

When Timmy rests we have Tiago playing. Hes 7'0 and has done all of those things.

And when someone asks why they aren't playing together, refer them to this post.

[jermaine]

And when someone asks why they aren't playing together, refer them to this post.

When i see Bonner get beat for a rebound so ez, an Blair try to just bulldoz over people for a rebound an get a foul. I just get so fuckin mad at Pop but then I realize they can't play together cuz of height of the bench.

[jermaine]

There's a saying "you can't teach height".

[Rummpd]

Fisher and this guy - both have great heart and this one even had surgery around his and both played very well together and will not wilt under pressure. Bring em both!

[SenorSpur]

Give me the size, shotblocking and defense. Spurs have more than enough perimeter scoring.

[TJastal]

Give me the size, shotblocking and defense. Spurs have more than enough perimeter scoring.

But Diaw can pass and he's even played point guard before. I heard he even makes a mean creme brulee.

[dylankerouac]

Turiaf please. We could use his physical interior play.

[ace3g]

From a reliability stand point you have to go with Diaw over Turiaf: Diaw had the 2nd longest games played streak at 384 (prior to being deactivated during buyout/trade deadline) while Turiaf has been in and out through his career with various injuries, let a lone the heart surgery he had back in '05: http://www.heart-valve-surgery.com/ronny-turiaf-aorta-valve.php

[Mel_13]

Turiaf and Diaw are both better than any other big that is available or might become available.

Turiaf is a free agent.

Diaw is a Bobcat.

Go after Turiaf now, make a decision on pursuing Diaw if he ever becomes available.

[moisaenz]

C's close on big man? (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4691084/cs-close-on-big-man)

Posted: 7 hrs 16 mins ago. | Source espnboston.com (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4691084/cs-close-on-big-man)
http://www.fantasysp.com/images/nba/555979.jpg Celtics coach Doc Rivers told reporters at the team's morning shootaround in Atlanta on Monday that Boston is getting closer to adding a big man.'We're close with a couple of free agents that we've looked at, but we'll see,' Rivers said, according to the Boston Herald.If something is imminent, don't expect it to be Ronny Turiaf (http://www.fantasysp.com/nba_player_news/Ronny_Turiaf/), whose agent Mark Bartelstein indicated this afternoon that his client must still navigate the waiver process after being released by the Nuggets, then could take some time to assess his options with the goal of signing with a top contender.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Go after Turiaf now, make a decision on pursuing Diaw if he ever becomes available.

[angelbelow]

Turiaf would excel as an enforcer. Hes known to make some border-line dirty plays but if hes on our team then that's fine by me.

[Chomag]

But is Turiaf realy THAT much better then Blair to warent needed the same type of player?

Allthough I do see him fitting a roll kind of like Jerome Kersy for the Spurs

[Ice009]

I'm liking Turiaf and Diaw. Try and get both. I'd like Diaw as a rotation player possibly starting, with Turiaf getting about 10 minutes a game as an energy big and enforcer. Against teams that have lots of bigs possibly could get Turiaf even more court time.

And yes, he would be great as an enforcer.

[Dunc n Dave]

But is Turiaf realy THAT much better then Blair to warent needed the same type of player?

Allthough I do see him fitting a roll kind of like Jerome Kersy for the Spurs


How is a 6'9" Turiaf hte same player as a 6'6" (6'7" MAX) Blair?

Blair is not a shot blocker. With Turiaf, Splitter, and Duncan we can have at least one shot blocker on the floor at all times to discourage penetration.

[therealtruth]

How is a 6'9" Turiaf hte same player as a 6'6" (6'7" MAX) Blair?

Blair is not a shot blocker. With Turiaf, Splitter, and Duncan we can have at least one shot blocker on the floor at all times to discourage penetration.

Good point. The Mavs seemed to have at least one 7-footer on the floor through the playoffs last season.

[SenorSpur]

Good point. The Mavs seemed to have at least one 7-footer on the floor through the playoffs last season.

and they have the luxury of being able to do so again this year.

[bklynspursfan]

"Brian Windhorst: Free agent Ronny Turiaf to decide new team by Wed., agent Mark Bartelstein told ESPN. Celtics & Heat lead pack of teams interested "

We're gonna end up with nothing... I have that bad feeling.

[Ice009]

I seriously don't get wtf the Spurs are doing.

Where do they think they will get with Bonner and Blair? Surely are going to do SOMETHING? It's getting crazy. Even if Diaw is bought out I'd still like another big. We lack depth and it just doesn't seem like the Spurs FO are doing much about it.

[TJastal]

I seriously don't get wtf the Spurs are doing.

Where do they think they will get with Bonner and Blair? Surely are going to do SOMETHING? It's getting crazy. Even if Diaw is bought out I'd still like another big. We lack depth and it just doesn't seem like the Spurs FO are doing much about it.

Looks like the plan is small ball. Not sure how that's gonna work against teams like the mavs, grizz, and lakers. Actually I am sure it won't work.

[Texas_Ranger]

The team that I'm most afraid of are the Grizzlies. Gasol, Zach and Speights would kick our ass. Tony Allen would shut down Manu and Conley always plays great against us. Oh and they have Rudy Gay back, plus OJ Mayo of the bench... The Lakers would also be pretty tough, the Mavs didn't really show me that they are that good.

That's why we need a big asap. Bonner and Blair in the playoffs against a team like Memphis is ROFLMAO.

[Ice009]

How is Speights playing? The Grizz got him for a second round pick while the Spurs were sitting around doing jack shit.

[bklynspursfan]

The team that I'm most afraid of are the Grizzlies. Gasol, Zach and Speights would kick our ass. Tony Allen would shut down Manu and Conley always plays great against us. Oh and they have Rudy Gay back, plus OJ Mayo of the bench... The Lakers would also be pretty tough, the Mavs didn't really show me that they are that good.

That's why we need a big asap. Bonner and Blair in the playoffs against a team like Memphis is ROFLMAO.

The only reason I'm not as afraid of Memphis this year is because we will play with a chip on our shoulders. Despite our bigs, TP was a big issue being outplayed by Conley. We're 3-0 against them and the first game everyone was healthy on both ends.

TP said he hopes they see them in the playoffs again. I don't see us losing to them again tbh. But we do need another big asap regardless. What if Splitter gets hurt? We're totally f*cked

[Texas_Ranger]

How is Speights playing? The Grizz got him for a second round pick while the Spurs were sitting around doing jack shit.

When Zach was out he was pretty damn good. Now I would say he's their Splitter. I would still take Tiago over him, but he gives them the size needed of the bench. Didn't know he was traded for the second rounder. We could really use him.

[100%duncan]

Diaw: get more minutes off Bonner
Turiaf: gets more minutes off Blair, let's td and splits play together

[bklynspursfan]

Diaw: get more minutes off Bonner
Turiaf: gets more minutes off Blair, let's td and splits play together

We're not in the running for Turiaf. He'll be with Bos/Miami

[Texas_Ranger]

Diaw: get more minutes off Bonner
Turiaf: gets more minutes off Blair, let's td and splits play together

Even with Diaw or Turiaf I'm not so sure Pop will play Bonner or Blair less. Wouldn't be surprised if Tiago was the guy whose minutes would be cut. Bonner is his Finley and I don't really mind him playing 15 minutes, but Blair is a huge problem, he can't defend shit and is one of the dumbest players in the league. One good game a month doesn't really make him a good player.

[100%duncan]

We're not in the running for Turiaf. He'll be with Bos/Miami

It's free to dream buddy

[bklynspursfan]

It's free to dream buddy

I know... And I was dreaming the same dream. But waking up and seeing we're not even one of the teams after him? Kind of pissed me off. Don't want anyone else getting their hopes up :bang

[100%duncan]

I know... And I was dreaming the same dream. But waking up and seeing we're not even one of the teams after him? Kind of pissed me off. Don't want anyone else getting their hopes up :bang

nothing to do here, then. :pctoss

[edgar]

Brian Windhorst: Free agent Ronny Turiaf to decide new team by Wed., agent Mark Bartelstein told ESPN. Celtics & Heat lead pack of teams interested
Twitter

[TJastal]

So the spurs' hopes are now hinging on whether Michael Jordan can actually focus his attention away from his Nike shoe contract deals long enough to get a deal rammed through in the twilight hour of the waiver deadline.

Michael Jordan's time might be more valuable than worrying about haggling with Diaw's agent over a few million here or there. That's gambling money for his airness.

:D

[SenorSpur]

I don't expect the Spurs to get anywhere with this guy.

[therealtruth]

I seriously don't get wtf the Spurs are doing.

Where do they think they will get with Bonner and Blair? Surely are going to do SOMETHING? It's getting crazy. Even if Diaw is bought out I'd still like another big. We lack depth and it just doesn't seem like the Spurs FO are doing much about it.

It's not just that. What about foul trouble or injury. It's very easy to lose a game due to that. Sometimes you need backup guys to just hold the fort even if they don't usually play much.

[therealtruth]

It makes perfect sense for the Spurs to go after the soft offensive minded player over the tough defensive minded player. Pop has fully embraced Nellie ball. His team has become the soft, non defense playing teams he used to beat in the playoffs.

[Duncan2177]

It makes perfect sense for the Spurs to go after the soft offensive minded player over the tough defensive minded player. Pop has fully embraced Nellie ball. His team has become the soft, non defense playing teams he used to beat in the playoffs.

If Pop thinks that he's a fucken idiot.

[monkeypunk]

It makes perfect sense for the Spurs to go after the soft offensive minded player over the tough defensive minded player. Pop has fully embraced Nellie ball. His team has become the soft, non defense playing teams he used to beat in the playoffs.

If that were the case, wouldn't RJ still be here?

[objective]

would rather have Diaw, he's better for most playoff match-ups, especially in the longshot scenario of the Spurs in the finals. Diaw's intelligence and passing skills will be more useful against the Heat or Bulls than Turiaf's Blair-ish skills.

Turiaf would be better against the Grizzlies and maybe the Lakers. Give me Diaw for facing the Thunder or Mavs.

[Small Fundamental]

If that were the case, wouldn't RJ still be here?There's a difference between "soft" and "useless".

[slick'81]

turiaff looks about off the board seems to be down to just diaw now

[cantthinkofanything]

There's a difference between "soft" and "useless".

Unless you're talking about your weenie.

[monkeypunk]

Unless you're talking about your weenie.

:lol

[Small Fundamental]

Unless you're talking about your weenie.Well played.

[therealtruth]

I seriously don't get wtf the Spurs are doing.

Where do they think they will get with Bonner and Blair? Surely are going to do SOMETHING? It's getting crazy. Even if Diaw is bought out I'd still like another big. We lack depth and it just doesn't seem like the Spurs FO are doing much about it.

I would take Diaw and Turiaf over Bonner/Blair. Blair has some value of the bench for his scoring and rebounding but he would be the fifth big.

[therealtruth]

Even with Diaw or Turiaf I'm not so sure Pop will play Bonner or Blair less. Wouldn't be surprised if Tiago was the guy whose minutes would be cut. Bonner is his Finley and I don't really mind him playing 15 minutes, but Blair is a huge problem, he can't defend shit and is one of the dumbest players in the league. One good game a month doesn't really make him a good player.

I wouldn't even guarantee 15min to Bonner. He really is situational. Some teams are just bad matchups for him.

[jon123spurs]

Well we don't have to worry about turiaf anymore he's signing with the heat now we must go after diaw here's the link http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_ronny_turiaf_miami_heat_032112

[Bruno]

Miami is a really good fit for Turiaf. They are very thin at the center spot and he should be able to get some playing time. Turiaf isn't a great player but he is a damn nice guy. Good luck to him.

[SpurSpurSpurs]

Turiaf isn't a great player but he is a damn nice guy. Good luck to him.

Number 1 reason why he should not go to Miami.