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Nbadan
09-16-2004, 05:44 AM
His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar.

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Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

Many of Tsurumi's students came from well-connected or wealthy families, but good manners prevented them from boasting about it, the professor said. But Bush seemed unabashed about the connections that had brought him to Harvard. "The other children of the rich and famous were at least well bred to the point of realizing universal values and standards of behavior," Tsurumi said. But Bush sometimes came late to class and often sat in the back row of the theater-like classroom, wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard and spitting chewing tobacco into a cup.

"At first, I wondered, 'Who is this George Bush?' It's a very common name and I didn't know his background. And he was such a bad student that I asked him once how he got in. He said, 'My dad has good friends.'" Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class.

Salon (http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/16/tsurumi/index.html)

Nbadan
09-16-2004, 05:48 AM
more from the article...


"He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that. Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never said that." A White House spokeswoman did not return a phone call seeking comment.

In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people -- because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'"

SpursWoman
09-16-2004, 08:19 AM
:rolleyes

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-16-2004, 10:35 AM
This came up in 2000. How is it any different this time?

Just more liberal desperation. *sigh* Two more months to go.

What's next? Bush kicked a dog and took some kid's lunch money when he was in high school?

Yonivore
09-16-2004, 10:43 AM
Again with 30 some-odd year old stuff?

Dan Rather is a pathological liar today.

Tommy Duncan
09-16-2004, 10:44 AM
Has this been snoped yet? I know this guy showed up in some alternative paper in Seattle and that Kitty Kelley used him as a source in her book, which should tell you a little something about his credibility.

But this is certainly the type of thread which brings value to this forum, not actually discussing how the election is looking on a state to state basis. Because then it would be considerably harder to spin in some kookish conspiracy theory danny found on whybushisevilandorganiccarrotsaregood.org if what was really going on in the election was dicussed.

exstatic
09-16-2004, 07:37 PM
It probably has a higher veracity than Hookdems posts from his email. Why don't you snopes it, MB, that is, when you're done with all of your polls...

scott
09-16-2004, 07:48 PM
The resident Bushwackers in this thread have a point... this article really isn't relevant to why Bush is one of the worst president's in history.

Hook Dem
09-16-2004, 07:55 PM
It's good to know I really bother you Exstatic. Go admire yourself in the mirror for several hours and try to calm down.

Nbadan
09-16-2004, 08:04 PM
This isn't a W bashing thread per se, but what if what this professor is saying is true, can people really change their personalities completely? Has W. really changed that much from when he was in the Air National Guard, to when he became TX Governor, to where he is today? Or are some critics correct in saying that W's personal short-comings have become the country's shortcomings?

SpursWoman
09-16-2004, 08:18 PM
Is it pretty much the norm for Harvard business professors to also be qualifed to issue professional psychoanalysis on the behavior of spoiled, rich 20-somethings?

Spurminator
09-16-2004, 08:36 PM
John Kerry's Algebra teacher said he skipped class a lot.

Yonivore
09-16-2004, 08:59 PM
I heard John Kerry spent a lot of time in the Nurse's office whining about wanting to go home.