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timvp
03-24-2012, 12:41 AM
Less than a week ago, the Spurs lost to the Mavericks in Dallas. Tonight, the Spurs returned the favor by downing the Mavs in San Antonio by a final score of 104-87.

The first quarter was back and forth but the Spurs opened up the game a bit in the second quarter and led by ten points before going into halftime up 52-45. The third quarter, though, got ugly. With the Spurs offense completely stagnant, the Mavs took advantage by outscoring San Antonio 18-6.

However, that's when the Spurs took over. The good guys went on a 22-2 run ... and the Mavs never recovered. The Spurs held the Mavs at bay for the final nine minutes to increase their lead in the division to six games.

Considering the Spurs were without two key cogs (Tony Parker and Tiago Splitter) and were working in another new piece (Boris Diaw), this was a great win. Not always aesthetically-pleasing but a quality victory nonetheless.

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Tim Duncan D+
While the effort was there, Tim Duncan just didn't play very well. He missed 12-of-18 shots from the court but even worse than his shooting percentage was the fact that Duncan was just trying to do too much. He was calling for the ball nearly every time down the court and was resorting to one-on-one basketball. And though he got decent looks, the Spurs were doing much better when they utilized crisp ball-movement to create open shots in rhythm. Thus, it's no accident that the Spurs outscored the Mavs by 25 points during the 15 minutes Duncan was on the bench. In addition to his offensive struggles, Duncan also wasn't providing much help in pick-and-roll defense and wasn't protecting the rim very well.

Manu Ginobili B-
Manu Ginobili started the game at point guard ... and it wasn't pretty. Ginobili had trouble getting the team into sets and his usual pick-and-roll mastery wasn't as automatic as usual tonight. That said, Ginobili eventually found a groove and ended up being decently effective on the offensive end. He had a number of great passes and I liked his tenacity attacking the rim. Defensively, Ginobili had a few lapses but overall I thought he was better than he's been as of late.

Danny Green B+
When Danny Green is playing with a lot of ferocity, he's a legit NBA player. In the first half tonight, his style of play was right where it needs to be. He was aggressive yet smart and was a major asset on both ends of the court. However, in the second half, Green went a bit too far with his aggression. He started forcing shots, breaking the offense, dribbling into crowds and tried to do too much on the defensive end. It wasn't all bad in the third and fourth periods but Green definitely exceeded the boundaries of his role in the final two quarters. More specifically, Green should never shoot 19 times unless he's wide open all night ... and that wasn't the case. All that said, Green was still easily a positive force in tonight's game.

Kawhi Leonard B+
It was just another quiet beast of a game from Kawhi Leonard. The kid just doesn't need many touches to have a notable impact. On offense, he hit all six of his two-pointers by slashing hard to the hoop and finishing with a patient, soft touch. Leonard now has his field goal percentage on the season all the way up to 49.5%. Defensively, Leonard made much fewer mistakes than usual. When matched up against Dirk Nowitzki, Leonard more than held his own. The best thing you can say about this rookie is he makes amazingly efficient games like tonight look effortless.

DeJuan Blair B-
Defensively, DeJuan Blair did just about all he could against Nowitzki. He played him well but the big German still had a lot of success against Blair, which is saying a lot since Nowitzki finished the night 5-for-21. On offense, I thought Blair was above average. He had his customary mistakes mixed in but Blair did a good job converting his looks and he also dropped off a few dimes along the way. On both ends, I thought Blair's physicality was a plus and it set a good tone for the rest of the team.

Gary Neal D
Ugh. I support Gary Neal as the team's backup point guard ... but tonight tested my faith. Each time up the court was an adventure for Neal. He was hurried all game long and was consistently making difficult passes, taking tough shots or otherwise appearing to be in distress. On defense, things weren't much rosier. He was downright difficult to watch at times, especially when attempting to guard Jason Terry.

Matt Bonner A
After missing a game due to back spasms, Matt Bonner returned with a vengeance. It wasn't his best game of the season but it very well could have been Bonner's most well-rounded game. On defense, he defended Nowtizki well a couple times. He made swift rotations and competed on the defensive backboard. Offensively, Bonner knocked down his open threes and had a season-high five assists. He made a lot of smart reads without wasting too much time and was overall just a lot sharper than he had been as of late.

Stephen Jackson A-
Stephen Jackson continues to look like a perfect fit. Honestly, it's difficult to nitpick and find anything he's doing wrong. On offense, he plays at a great pace while showing good vision and good understanding of the situation. Jackson's shot selection has been virtually flawless. Defensively, he's equally as impressive. He plays solid individual defense while also making quick rotations to help his teammates. All in all, Jackson is playing a winning brand of basketball that I didn't know he had in him.

Boris Diaw A
Wow. A few hours after signing his contract, Boris Diaw suited up and played 16 high-quality minutes for the Spurs. The stats don't look like much but Diaw was extremely impressive. Defensively, the Frenchman played outstanding defense against Nowitzki and also defended the pick-and-roll well. When switched onto a perimeter player, Diaw proved he could move his feet. Offensively, his passing was excellent. His ability to create from the power forward position was handy. He set very good screens and simply looked like a natural fit for the offense. Throughout the game, it was obvious that Diaw's basketball IQ could really become an asset for this team. Diaw understands how the game of basketball is supposed to be played and is very willing to play a role. If he can get in good shape and regain some confidence and love for the game, Diaw has a chance to be a very important piece to the puzzle going forward.

Eric Dawson Inc.
Congrats to Eric Dawson for hitting all three of his shots and recording a block in his only minute of play. If he doesn't hang on with the Spurs, his play tonight might have been enough for him to earn a 10-day contract somewhere else.

Pop A
It was another very good coaching performance. With Diaw but without Parker and Splitter, Pop was forced to play a number of completely new lineups. And despite a few questionable decisions here and there, I have to take my hat off to Pop for a job well done. I loved how he threw Diaw in the fire and kept riding him after he succeeded early on. Pop also deserves credit for throwing a ton of different looks at Nowitzki and at least somewhat disrupting Dallas' superstar.

ajballer4
03-24-2012, 12:47 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Dirk started the game 4 of 6 shooting against Blair. That would mean after we starting throwing Boris, Bonner, SJax, and Kawhi at him, he finished the night going 1 of 15

timvp
03-24-2012, 12:48 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Dirk started the game 4 of 6 shooting against Blair. That would mean after we starting throwing Boris, Bonner, SJax, and Kawhi at him, he finished the night going 1 of 15

Off the top of my head, I can't remember a shot Dirk made that wasn't against Blair. But I'm probably forgetting a shot or two.

ducks
03-24-2012, 12:53 AM
dirk did not make a shot from the field other then blair
he got fouled a couple times
dirk knows blair on d now

ducks
03-24-2012, 12:53 AM
how in the hell did manu deserve a b- he deseved a d

Vic Petro
03-24-2012, 12:54 AM
Thanks for the grades. It's amazing how Jack has just slipped back into the fold. It's like he never left.

Johnny RIngo
03-24-2012, 12:56 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Dirk started the game 4 of 6 shooting against Blair. That would mean after we starting throwing Boris, Bonner, SJax, and Kawhi at him, he finished the night going 1 of 15

Dirk also beasted on Blair at the start of the third quarter in Dallas last week. Dejuan's awful D is one of the primary reasons we lost that game.

Spur|n|Austin
03-24-2012, 01:00 AM
Thanks again, timvp! What are your thoughts on Pop's constant starting of Blair? (besides Tiago obviously being hurt). I personally don't mind it because of the spark he brings to the beginning of the game; you also notice his rear is ALWAYS on the bench when it needs to be.

chazley
03-24-2012, 01:01 AM
Nowitzki made some very tough shots over Blair, I was actually impressed with his defense. I would just say it was great offense beat good defense. Diaw was a pleasant surprise tonight. Glad he's on the team, even though I'm not sure I'm sold on him quite yet. If he plays defense like he did tonight, it would be the biggest in-season FA pickup in the league.

ace3g
03-24-2012, 01:04 AM
I'll mention it again but I knew Diaw could fit into the Spurs system, but I thought it would take some games; but during Diaw's post game interview he mentioned that the French NT uses a lot of the same sets as the Spurs, so it really helped his learning curve. Any player you bring in mid season (minus SJAX who played for the Spurs before) is going to have to learn the system on the fly and sometimes that doesn't always work with the season almost over.

Speaking of that, Spurs were able add 2 players at the deadline that know or have some knowledge of the Spurs system; very important aspect.

Spurtacus
03-24-2012, 01:05 AM
Diaw team high +20 tonight :tu

spursince#99
03-24-2012, 01:05 AM
21 games left. Ironically that's Tims' number lol

freetiago
03-24-2012, 01:07 AM
blair might be the best first 4-5 minute nba player ive ever seen
but right after he falls off a cliff
he could start because of his ability to play well in the begining of games but he also sets the tone with his low iq defense
tonight he actually did well but if jackson started on dirk spurs probably would have blown them out by the half

good sign is pop tried to close the game out with diaw
diaw is probably the player pop fantasizes about
stretch 4 who can play d, pass well, and set good screens

gonna be interesting to see what lineups pop throws out when splitter gets back

Dr. John R. Brinkley
03-24-2012, 01:11 AM
A few random thoughts:

1. Given that Diaw is a bit short playing in the post already, and considering how well he moved for someone his weight, and considering how well his girth helped him set near Kurt Thomas-esque picks...I wonder what his ideal weight should be. Obviously he needs conditiong, but some of his mass actually seemed to be a benefit.

2. I'll be happy if he takes all of Blair's minutes within two weeks, and somehow doesn't steal any minutes from Splitter.

3. Assuming that Pop doesn't ever play Splitter and Tim together in the playoffs, does this mean that Splitter's minutes might go down and Diaw walks right into the role of the second big? It seems like a stretch for this late in the season but Pop obviously respects Diaw greatly.

TE
03-24-2012, 01:12 AM
So you saved your best assessment of the Spurs for this game. Agree on all accounts. Best grades of the season. :tu

jjktkk
03-24-2012, 01:21 AM
Thanks for the writeup Tim. Wow, it shocking how much this team has changed in a week.

Libri
03-24-2012, 01:40 AM
Gary Neal D
Ugh. I support Gary Neal as the team's backup point guard ... but tonight tested my faith. Each time up the court was an adventure for Neal. He was hurried all game long and was consistently making difficult passes, taking tough shots or otherwise appearing to be in distress. On defense, things weren't much rosier. He was downright difficult to watch at times, especially when attempting to guard Jason Terry.

And he didn't make up for his errors by making shots. Eight points in 29 minutes is way below from what we expect of Neal.

Nathan89
03-24-2012, 01:44 AM
Kawhi, Manu, Green, Sjax= 29rebs:wow

Rapper
03-24-2012, 02:18 AM
tbh. Diaw played very well tonite~

ElNono
03-24-2012, 02:24 AM
thanks LJ!

siraulo23
03-24-2012, 03:11 AM
bonner leading the team with 2 blocks

:lobt2:

100%duncan
03-24-2012, 04:09 AM
Agreed with most but I thought Kawhi deserved an A, remember the 4 straight points he gave us? He also got in Dirk's head.

Darkwaters
03-24-2012, 04:20 AM
Diaw team high +20 tonight :tu

The new King of the Plus/Minus? :stirpot:

TDMVPDPOY
03-24-2012, 05:18 AM
crashing the boards and improve perimeter defense...

is that still enough to offset whatever interior defense we have when going up against big lineups? aka memphis

Penya
03-24-2012, 05:50 AM
Off the top of my head, I can't remember a shot Dirk made that wasn't against Blair. But I'm probably forgetting a shot or two.

I just recall one against Bonner.

Quality win. And I've got the feeling that Parker and Duncan won't play tonight. Even in that situation, we should get a win in NO.

arles
03-24-2012, 06:20 AM
I don't agree with Manu's B-:

He shot 2-5 treys, grabbed 7 rebound, dished 7 assists, had 2 steals, a block and a +19.
Also, when he got paired with Nowitzky he played outstanding defense.

B- just seems too low in my opinion.


Thanks for the writeup, Timvp!

doldrums
03-24-2012, 06:33 AM
how in the hell did manu deserve a b- he deseved a d

7 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals, 2 important 3's and a +19 and you want a D!? -you certainly are the most biased poster on the site.

DBMethos
03-24-2012, 06:39 AM
'Twas a fun game...very promising going forward.

benefactor
03-24-2012, 06:45 AM
These guys are good.

quentin_compson
03-24-2012, 06:46 AM
Blair did a decent job on Nowitzki, but Dirk will always be able to shoot over him. At least Blair forced him into some tough shots.
I agree that Manu looked better on defense than in the previous games. As for Jackson, it's as he wants to prove to the whole basketball world that he can be a good teamplayer. His court vision and patience on offense have been nothing but impressive so far.

TDMVPDPOY
03-24-2012, 06:54 AM
i wonder how this team plays if run tmc or suns run n gun system with elite defense during important stretches of the game....

ManuTastic
03-24-2012, 07:55 AM
So with Dallas at full strength, and missing Tony and Tiago, and Duncan and Neal turning in sub-par performances (though I'd grade him higher than a D)... we still got the W over the defending champs, who are playing a lot better after a shaky start. Impressive.

Random note: Kidd seems like the weakest perimeter defender in the league right now. Just soooo slow.

ManuTastic
03-24-2012, 07:55 AM
So with Dallas at full strength, and missing Tony and Tiago, and Duncan and Neal turning in sub-par performances (though I'd grade him higher than a D)... we still got the W over the defending champs, who are playing a lot better after a shaky start. Impressive.

Random note: Kidd seems like the weakest perimeter defender in the league right now. Just soooo slow.

TDMVPDPOY
03-24-2012, 07:57 AM
So with Dallas at full strength, and missing Tony and Tiago, and Duncan and Neal turning in sub-par performances (though I'd grade him higher than a D)... we still got the W over the defending champs, who are playing a lot better after a shaky start. Impressive.

Random note: Kidd seems like the weakest perimeter defender in the league right now. Just soooo slow.

they only good when kidd starts hitting shots from the outside, other then that they are a one trick pony

Old School 44
03-24-2012, 08:01 AM
I'll mention it again but I knew Diaw could fit into the Spurs system, but I thought it would take some games; but during Diaw's post game interview he mentioned that the French NT uses a lot of the same sets as the Spurs, so it really helped his learning curve. Any player you bring in mid season (minus SJAX who played for the Spurs before) is going to have to learn the system on the fly and sometimes that doesn't always work with the season almost over.

Speaking of that, Spurs were able add 2 players at the deadline that know or have some knowledge of the Spurs system; very important aspect.


Agreed. Another big part, and it's somewhat synonymous, is the "knowledge of Pop". Jackson knows what to expect. He knows the pecking order and is a willing participant.

Diaw has TP as a buffer/tutor to speed up his learning curve. Don't think over the years he hasn't heard everything about Pop from his best friend.

wildbill2u
03-24-2012, 08:48 AM
Kawhi, Manu, Green, Sjax= 29rebs:wow

Totally agree! WOW! :toast

We out-rebounded a bigger front line by 54-34. And that led to domination in points in the paint. It was amazing to see the crowd of Spurs under the basket fighting for rebounds. We were getting second shots all night. And the rebounds weren't all coming from bigs like Duncan and Blair.

It's great to see the SFs like Jax and Kwahi sticking their noses into the paint and battling the bigger men. If that keeps up--and it will because that toughness is their trademark--then we are going to be tougher on defense and offense.

Add in the SGs--Green and Manu and let's not forget Neal--who usually get their share of rebounds and you have a team that is going to be ferocious on the boards. You won't lose many games if you out-rebound a team by 20.

Damn, this season could get to be fun.

bdictjames
03-24-2012, 08:55 AM
Bo-D!

bigfan
03-24-2012, 09:00 AM
One of the few times I disagree with you TIMVP, I think Duncan played alot better than you last night. Didnt shoot too well but did a ton of grunt work to my eyes. One other thing, SJ is the kind of player that scares the crap out of the opposition; he can hit his shots, get real physical in defense and there is always that risk he might just punch you in the face.

Obstructed_View
03-24-2012, 09:05 AM
I think you need to re-watch the game and double check your grades.

pgardn
03-24-2012, 09:29 AM
Diaw should be sore today.

He looks puffy. Imo its usually the 2nd game the shape factor shows. I remain politely skeptical of what he will give us until I see leaner. If that does happen, I would love him to take Bonners spot. He gives us so much more at that spot. Then Bonner could take on his real role as a marksman if teams move to clog the lane or get sluggish against us on the perimeter. Bonner did not have to play a game he cant against Dallas.

manu is very difficult to grade when he plays this way. He opens things up with some great passes, he changes the game so he has a tremendous impact. But with this we will also witness some very bad passes and sloppy ball handling.

td4mvp21
03-24-2012, 10:26 AM
So with Dallas at full strength

They were missing Haywood and Delonte West. Odom didn't play but I don't know if it was because of injuries or not.


The stat I like the most was points in the paint: Spurs 50, Mavs 16.

TVI
03-24-2012, 10:42 AM
how in the hell did manu deserve a b- he deseved a d

http://memedepot.com/uploads/0/207_not_sure_if_serious.jpg

Horse
03-24-2012, 10:47 AM
So nice to see crybaby pussy I dont' wanna play nomore dirk again, it's been awhile. And Danny Green made that punk motherfucker jt look like a fool trying to guard him.

Mel_13
03-24-2012, 10:49 AM
I'll mention it again but I knew Diaw could fit into the Spurs system, but I thought it would take some games; but during Diaw's post game interview he mentioned that the French NT uses a lot of the same sets as the Spurs, so it really helped his learning curve. Any player you bring in mid season (minus SJAX who played for the Spurs before) is going to have to learn the system on the fly and sometimes that doesn't always work with the season almost over.

Speaking of that, Spurs were able add 2 players at the deadline that know or have some knowledge of the Spurs system; very important aspect.

Three, once Mills is on board. The Aussie NT apparently runs a lot of Spurs sets under Brett Brown.

MavDynasty
03-24-2012, 10:54 AM
So with Dallas at full strength, and missing Tony and Tiago, and Duncan and Neal turning in sub-par performances (though I'd grade him higher than a D)... we still got the W over the defending champs, who are playing a lot better after a shaky start. Impressive.

Random note: Kidd seems like the weakest perimeter defender in the league right now. Just soooo slow.

? Haywood (a HUGE part of our defense/rebounding) was out. We got killed on the boards and spurs shot uncontested layups all game long.

Delonte West, our 2nd best perimeter defender and only slasher was out as well. Dude has been solid all year. Mavs got murdered, can't spin that but they weren't at full strength. Good win for y'all tho without Parker

MavDynasty
03-24-2012, 10:56 AM
They were missing Haywood and Delonte West. Odom didn't play but I don't know if it was because of injuries or not.


The stat I like the most was points in the paint: Spurs 50, Mavs 16.

While he has been dogshit this year, his size would've at least challenged SA in the lane somewhat and maybe snatch a few rebounds.

I think he was benched tho after that 1 point 1 rebound game against LA

Blake
03-24-2012, 11:00 AM
May be the first and only time we ever see the words Bonner and vengeance in the same sentence

therealtruth
03-24-2012, 11:05 AM
Sometimes taking shots you know you'll probably miss can be a good strategy if you get the rebound.

Mugen
03-24-2012, 11:08 AM
Sometimes taking shots you know you'll probably miss can be a good strategy if you get the rebound.

Thanks Kobe.

benefactor
03-24-2012, 11:09 AM
Totally agree! WOW! :toast

We out-rebounded a bigger front line by 54-34. And that led to domination in points in the paint. It was amazing to see the crowd of Spurs under the basket fighting for rebounds. We were getting second shots all night. And the rebounds weren't all coming from bigs like Duncan and Blair.

It's great to see the SFs like Jax and Kwahi sticking their noses into the paint and battling the bigger men. If that keeps up--and it will because that toughness is their trademark--then we are going to be tougher on defense and offense.

Add in the SGs--Green and Manu and let's not forget Neal--who usually get their share of rebounds and you have a team that is going to be ferocious on the boards. You won't lose many games if you out-rebound a team by 20.

Damn, this season could get to be fun.
This is what I keep telling people that are so worried about the size deficiencies. The whole team if full of good rebounding players. This makes up for a lot that is lost in a lack of size. And speaking of size...it's not like the Spurs are super small like they have been in the past. The biggest issue in past seasons is that there was no one to guard the paint when Duncan went to the bench. Splitter has solved that problem. The Spurs can keep a 7 footer on the floor to patrol the paint at all times now. That's something we haven't been able to say in a long, long time. Couple that with the depth and length they now possess on the perimeter and much of the size issues are canceled out.

Blake
03-24-2012, 11:20 AM
how in the hell did manu deserve a b- he deseved a d

can't spell ducks without d

BoricuaCJA
03-24-2012, 11:54 AM
I think you need to re-watch the game and double check your grades.
Care to explain please?

NRHector
03-24-2012, 12:06 PM
how in the hell did manu deserve a b- he deseved a d

just to get you mad

ace3g
03-24-2012, 12:39 PM
Agreed. Another big part, and it's somewhat synonymous, is the "knowledge of Pop". Jackson knows what to expect. He knows the pecking order and is a willing participant.

Diaw has TP as a buffer/tutor to speed up his learning curve. Don't think over the years he hasn't heard everything about Pop from his best friend.

I might have to add another player, if Mills can come in right away (even if he doesn't have a large role). Did Brett Brown run similar sets in Australia? 3 late season acquisitions that already know the system would be awesome!!!

redskinfan
03-24-2012, 02:11 PM
Nathan89 that gif is hilarious!!

Slomo
03-24-2012, 03:06 PM
http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Photoshop_madness/Got_pressure.jpg

therealtruth
03-24-2012, 03:32 PM
Blair did a decent job on Nowitzki, but Dirk will always be able to shoot over him. At least Blair forced him into some tough shots.
I agree that Manu looked better on defense than in the previous games. As for Jackson, it's as he wants to prove to the whole basketball world that he can be a good teamplayer. His court vision and patience on offense have been nothing but impressive so far.

That's Blair's problem even when he plays good position defense the offensive player just shoots over him. That's why he goes for steals so much.

timvp
03-24-2012, 03:34 PM
http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Photoshop_madness/Got_pressure.jpg


:lol Nice.

TDMVPDPOY
03-24-2012, 03:47 PM
http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Photoshop_madness/Got_pressure.jpg


replace the doll with kobe, got lakers 3 games comin up and nothing beats putting this jackass in his seat

Slomo
03-24-2012, 03:56 PM
replace the doll with kobe, got lakers 3 games comin up and nothing beats putting this jackass in his seat

Kobe is not synonymous with pressure.

And insinuating that he should make love to him. You do realize that it would make him a ... Laker lover!?

Sorry just can't do it.

TheSullyMonster
03-24-2012, 04:00 PM
Most impressive part of the game: Mahinmi playing 34 minutes with only 2 fouls.

Dr. John R. Brinkley
03-24-2012, 04:02 PM
Yeah, this gets tricky...I think some are assuming he "makes love to pressure" in that he is having sex (perhaps angrily) to the concept of pressure instead of making love in the presence of pressure. It's an easy misunderstanding. I'm glad its all cleared up now. :lol

TDMVPDPOY
03-24-2012, 05:43 PM
ian>blair this game

dude can hit jumpers.....

Stalin
03-24-2012, 06:28 PM
http://www.cikava.com/gallery/albums/Photoshop_madness/Got_pressure.jpg



:lol awsome, i have to say jackson's perfect fit so far hasn't been a surprise to me, don't see him throwing tantrooms, when he's playing on a winning team for a championship, where he won one already before, while being a fan favorite, not to mention he's also doing it for a new contract

also, considering the amount of work he had to do as number one option on shitty teams in recent years, now he's just standing behind three point line and chucking shots on the spurs, its just to easy for him, tbqh

lefty
03-24-2012, 07:59 PM
All in all, Jackson is playing a winning brand of basketball that I didn't know he had in him.What ?

DMC
03-25-2012, 01:21 PM
It's almost a given now that the step back jumper in the lane is going to get the front of the rim. Duncan's shot gets flatter and flatter as he gets older. If he had even a little bit of arch he might be deadly.

Obstructed_View
03-25-2012, 06:43 PM
Care to explain please?

To you? Nope.