Global Warming becoming close to being irreversible

[InRareForm]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=global-warming-close-to-becoming-ir

[boutons_deux]

My guess is the Rick Scott's FL is gonna go begging the Feds/taxpayers to hold back the rising sea. Pretty much the same for all the red-states along the Gulf of MX.

[101A]

Irreversible.

Great.

Then we can stop talking about it. What's done is done. Now I'm going to go get some sailing in (in March in Pennsylvania!)

[boutons_deux]

sea-front property is going for a premium in Victoria TX

[Sec24Row7]

I really want to sell sea level rise insurance... really really really bad... but I'm not a snake oil salesman so...

[MannyIsGod]

That article is short on facts and long on hyperbole. We've definitely reached a point of global warming where there will be an impact for centuries regardless of new actions but that is not something that happened overnight or in the past few years. Scientists have known about the residence time of CO2 for a long ass time.

[Wild Cobra]

That article is short on facts and long on hyperbole. We've definitely reached a point of global warming where there will be an impact for centuries regardless of new actions but that is not something that happened overnight or in the past few years. Scientists have known about the residence time of CO2 for a long ass time.
Wow...

You actually said something I agree with on the topic.

[Agloco]

That article is short on facts and long on hyperbole. We've definitely reached a point of global warming where there will be an impact for centuries regardless of new actions but that is not something that happened overnight or in the past few years. Scientists have known about the residence time of CO2 for a long ass time.


Wow...

You actually said something I agree with on the topic.

Yes, disappointing from SA.

[Jacob1983]

Didn't scientists back in the 1970s predict that there was going to be an ice age in the 2000s?

[TDMVPDPOY]

i got the heater on, who gives a shit

[MannyIsGod]

Didn't scientists back in the 1970s predict that there was going to be an ice age in the 2000s?

Did some scientists predict cooling? Yes. Were they the overwhelming minority? Yes.

Scientists have predicted a warming planet for quite some time now. In any event, at one point scientists predicted the earth was the center of the universe, etc etc.

[GSH]

sea-front property is going for a premium in Victoria TX

As i write this, I am sitting in Rockport, TX. (Kori or LJ can confirm from my IP, I'm sure.) I'm looking out my back window at the water. Under the worst fabricated scenario, the rising water wouldn't even begin to approach Victoria.

As usual, you have managed to say something outrageously fucking stupid. You come across like a high school student, but I have this sick feeling you are actually older. Too old to excuse your ignorance. Why do you always have to say stupidly exaggerated shit to make things sound even worse than the doomsday prophets you worship?

[Wild Cobra]

Yes, disappointing from SA.
I used to be a subscriber, but started seeing too much bad science from them. dropped my subscription a really long time ago.

[boutons_deux]

A prediction in meters rise of the sea by 2100 just about matched the meters above sea level of Victoria.

[Goran Dragic]

at one point scientists predicted the earth was the center of the universe, etc etc.
that was also the church :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Victoria is over 90ft above sea level. The oceans will not rise 30 meters over the next 100 years unless something drastic happens.

Victoria isn't of any real concern anyway. Let me know how much New York has to spend to protect itself from a sea level rise of a couple of meters. We'll see how well New Orleans does, too. And pretty much every port city in the world. I'm not sure of the exact figures off the top of my head, but I know that a hugely disproportionate amount of humanity lives on the ocean. Between overfishing, ocean acidification, and sea level rise, those people have quite a few things to deal with.

[cheguevara]

:lol thinking it was actually a possibility to reverse it

[TeyshaBlue]

Victoria is over 90ft above sea level. The oceans will not rise 30 meters over the next 100 years unless something drastic happens.

Victoria isn't of any real concern anyway. Let me know how much New York has to spend to protect itself from a sea level rise of a couple of meters. We'll see how well New Orleans does, too. And pretty much every port city in the world. I'm not sure of the exact figures off the top of my head, but I know that a hugely disproportionate amount of humanity lives on the ocean. Between overfishing, ocean acidification, and sea level rise, those people have quite a few things to deal with.

With any luck, we can remove most of Houston tho, so it's all good.

[boutons_deux]

http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110216&t=2&i=339058032&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2011-02-16T225150Z_01_BTRE71F1RIG00_RTROPTP_0_US-CLIMATE-USA-CITIES

Rising seas spurred by climate change could threaten 180 U.S. coastal cities by 2100, a new study says, with Miami, New Orleans and Virginia Beach among those most severely affected.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/16/us-climate-usa-cities-idUSTRE71F7HQ20110216

yes, Victoria won't be sea front.

[101A]

I was born in Victoria.

[boutons_deux]

why is it called Victoria? After the English Queen?

[TeyshaBlue]

"In 1824 Martin De Leon received permission from the government of Mexico to establish a settlement between the Guadalupe River and the Lavaca River. He called the settlement Nuestra De Guadalupe De Victoria. Following Texas Independence, the name was shortened to Victoria. De Leon planned the city like most European and Mexican cities by building around a market square. This area today contains City Hall. The early settlers and friends of the founder, lived along Main Street which was known as LaCalle De Los Diez Amigos - The Street of Ten Friends."

http://victoriatx.net/victoria/

[admiralsnackbar]

With any luck, we can remove most of Houston tho, so it's all good.
Yeah... hate to think how nast the world's oceans would become if Pasadena were to fall into them, though. Like the cartoons where the poisoned cuppa melts the teaspoon.

[DarrinS]

Yeah... hate to think how nast the world's oceans would become if Pasadena were to fall into them, though. Like the cartoons where the poisoned cuppa melts the teaspoon.


Hey, I was born in Stinkadena. :lol That has got to be the white trash capitol of the US. (no racist) Thank God I moved away from there.

[DarrinS]

http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110216&t=2&i=339058032&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2011-02-16T225150Z_01_BTRE71F1RIG00_RTROPTP_0_US-CLIMATE-USA-CITIES

Rising seas spurred by climate change could threaten 180 U.S. coastal cities by 2100, a new study says, with Miami, New Orleans and Virginia Beach among those most severely affected.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/16/us-climate-usa-cities-idUSTRE71F7HQ20110216

yes, Victoria won't be sea front.


How did we go from 23 inches (absolute worst case scenario in IPCC's fourth assessment report AR4) to 36 inches?

From
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPCC_Fourth_Assessment_Report#Temperature_and_sea_ level_rise_in_the_various_scenarios



Temperature and sea level rise in the various scenarios

There are six families of SRES scenarios, and AR4 provides projected temperature and sea level rises (excluding future rapid dynamical changes in ice flow[15])for each scenario family.

Scenario B1 Best estimate temperature rise of 1.8 °C with a likely range of 1.1 to 2.9 °C (3.2 °F with a likely range of 2.0 to 5.2 °F)
Sea level rise likely range [18 to 38 cm] (7 to 15 inches)

Scenario A1T Best estimate temperature rise of 2.4 °C with a likely range of 1.4 to 3.8 °C (4.3 °F with a likely range of 2.5 to 6.8 °F)
Sea level rise likely range [20 to 45 cm] (8 to 18 inches)

Scenario B2 Best estimate temperature rise of 2.4 °C with a likely range of 1.4 to 3.8 °C (4.3 °F with a likely range of 2.5 to 6.8 °F)
Sea level rise likely range [20 to 43 cm] (8 to 17 inches)

Scenario A1B Best estimate temperature rise of 2.8 °C with a likely range of 1.7 to 4.4 °C (5.0 °F with a likely range of 3.1 to 7.9 °F)
Sea level rise likely range [21 to 48 cm] (8 to 19 inches)

Scenario A2 Best estimate temperature rise of 3.4 °C with a likely range of 2.0 to 5.4 °C (6.1 °F with a likely range of 3.6 to 9.7 °F)
Sea level rise likely range [23 to 51 cm] (9 to 20 inches)

Scenario A1FI Best estimate temperature rise of 4.0 °C with a likely range of 2.4 to 6.4 °C (7.2 °F with a likely range of 4.3 to 11.5 °F)
Sea level rise likely range [26 to 59 cm] (10 to 23 inches)

[MannyIsGod]

Because current thinking is that those scenarios are really under forecasting the sea level rise. You will see higher levels come the 5th IPCC report.

[DarrinS]

Because current thinking is that those scenarios are really under forecasting the sea level rise. You will see higher levels come the 5th IPCC report.


So, they are over forecasting temps and under forecasting sea levels? Hmmm.

[MannyIsGod]

Except they are not over forecasting temps at all. Current temps are well within the range of warming forecast. On the other hand, sea level rise to date is above what has been forecast.

[RandomGuy]

Except they are not over forecasting temps at all. Current temps are well within the range of warming forecast. On the other hand, sea level rise to date is above what has been forecast.

Of course if you cherry pick the few studies or predictions that are on the very high end of what most people think, you can say anything you like about what "they" predict.

The joys of cherry-picking data. It becomes easy to lie about things.