Kawhi vs. Kobe

[Beanzamillion21]

Anyone else looking forward to this match-up? :greedy

[SpursDynasty85]

Meh. Kawhi is good, but I still look more forward to Stephen Jackson and Manu matchups. I think Kobe would find a way to draw fouls on Kawhi in the playoffs whereas it would be more of a chess match againt sj and manu.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs will be fine against Kobe, Kawhi/Jackson/Ginobili and maybe even Green should be able to defend him successfully, barring ref interference..he's still good enough to have big games every once in a while, but I'm not worried about him in a 7-game series..

He's an inefficient jump shooter, at this point..

If the Spurs and Lakers meet in the playoffs, and LA goes to Kobe as it's first option, then that's an immediate moral victory for the Spurs..

[100%duncan]

Im looking forward in Sjax kicking kobe's ass more.

[Fpoonsie]

Spurs will be fine against Kobe, Kawhi/Jackson/Ginobili and maybe even Green should be able to defend him successfully, barring ref interference..he's still good enough to have big games every once in a while, but I'm not worried about him in a 7-game series..

He's an inefficient jump shooter, at this point..

If the Spurs and Lakers meet in the playoffs, and LA goes to Kobe as it's first option, then that's an immediate moral victory for the Spurs..

Agreed. He won't beat us.

Their 2 seven footers just might, though. But I suppose I'm simply outrightly stating what you're not-so-subtly implying.

[Dunc n Dave]

Kawhi is a good defender and all, but let's not get carried away here. Kobe will DESTROY Kawhi this season. We are better off using Jackson and Manu on Kobe as much as possible.

And having watched some Laker games recently, I have to disagree about him being just a jump shooter. He's penetrating just as much as past seasons, but not getting as many bail out calls by the refs. At least, that's the case in the games I've seen recently.

He shoots a lot of turn around fadeaways on the perimeter, which are hard to defend even for elite defenders. Kobe had several shots last night that made Tony Allen look helpless.

[JRHernandez88]

Yeah like they said, the good thing is we have a few good defenders to frustrate Bryant. Doesn't really matter who you put on him though he's gona get his shots. Either they fall and he's Kobe the 5-Time champ being compared to MJ or they don't and he's the chucker that cant be coached and won't pass the ball.

[100%duncan]

We frustrated Dirk and Dirk>Kobe.

[BoricuaSpursFan]

It's too early to say Kawhi is gonna defend well kobe. Tbh Jax may even guard him better.

[TheSkeptic]

If Kobe can be goaded into taking 20+ well contested shots I would think the Spurs would be in prime position to take a series. I'll wait and see what the match-up looks like during the regular season before deciding anything.

[Beanzamillion21]

Kawhi is a good defender and all, but let's not get carried away here. Kobe will DESTROY Kawhi this season. We are better off using Jackson and Manu on Kobe as much as possible.

And having watched some Laker games recently, I have to disagree about him being just a jump shooter. He's penetrating just as much as past seasons, but not getting as many bail out calls by the refs. At least, that's the case in the games I've seen recently.

He shoots a lot of turn around fadeaways on the perimeter, which are hard to defend even for elite defenders. Kobe had several shots last night that made Tony Allen look helpless.

There were tons of bail out calls in that Memphis game lastnight. I guess ya'll are right though, gotta earn them lumps as a rookie.

[Beanzamillion21]

We frustrated Dirk and Dirk>Kobe.

No.

[100%duncan]

No.

Dirk isn't better than kobe? Wanna go to the stats bitch?

[TDMVPDPOY]

force him to chuck to earn his points....i think KL is going to own his ass

[Beanzamillion21]

Dirk isn't better than kobe? Wanna go to the stats bitch?

Rings bitch, that's really all I need. Also, Dork is half the leader Ko-me is. Stats are just useless sometimes.

[100%duncan]

Rings bitch, that's really all I need. Also, Dork is half the leader Ko-me is. Stats are just useless sometimes.

LMAO. So Beno Udrih is better than Dirk then? :lol at half-the leader bullshit, HE Single-handedly carried the Mavs' offense and that's why they got a ring. And kobe? Of course he's a leader, he just had shaq and gasol in all those rings. Think before you talk sucka

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

kobes not going to get around leanord & his long ass arms. kobes going to be force into difficult jumpshots with a hand the size of a baseball mitt in his face the whole time. not worried about kobe.

[Beanzamillion21]

LMAO. So Beno Udrih is better than Dirk then? :lol at half-the leader bullshit, HE Single-handedly carried the Mavs' offense and that's why they got a ring. And kobe? Of course he's a leader, he just had shaq and gasol in all those rings. Think before you talk sucka

Did 100% Dunc just go full retard? Why would you compare Beno (Bench role player) to Kobe or Dirk (Respectable HOF starters)? There is a difference in skill and position, and if you can't see that, then you are a basketball dumbass. Sorry bro.

[100%duncan]

Did 100% Dunc just go full retard? Why would you compare Beno (Bench role player) to Kobe or Dirk (Respectable HOF starters)? There is a difference in skill and position, and if you can't see that, then you are a basketball dumbass. Sorry bro.

Because in your earlier post you said Rings were all you needed. Just rode your bullshit information right? Lmao how many posts you got, basketball smartass?

[100%duncan]

Rings bitch, that's really all I need. Also, Dork is half the leader Ko-me is. Stats are just useless sometimes.

You retarded, piece of horse shit.

[Beanzamillion21]

You retarded, piece of horse shit.

You mad?

[Beanzamillion21]

Because in your earlier post you said Rings were all you needed. Just rode your bullshit information right? Lmao how many posts you got, basketball smartass?

I would expect this from a Lakers fan.

[100%duncan]

You mad?

Your argument is invalid :idiot. Opponent defeated.

[Beanzamillion21]

force him to chuck to earn his points....i think KL is going to own his ass

Uh-greed

[100%duncan]

I would expect this from a Lakers fan.

So, where's ya kobe>dirk argument at?

[Beanzamillion21]

Your argument is invalid :idiot. Opponent defeated.

k, gj 100% Dunc.

[100%duncan]

k, gj 100% Dunc.

No thanks

[Beanzamillion21]

So, where's ya kobe>dirk argument at?

I don't have one because I don't need one. Refer to the post title and be a properly discuss.

[100%duncan]

I don't have one because I don't need one. Refer to the post title and be a properly discuss.

:lmao
read your posts before

Reading 101

[Beanzamillion21]

No thanks

I can't believe you turned out to be such a douche bag 100%Dunc. I use to like your Kawhi Coast2Coast Sig and everything.

[100%duncan]

^
I'm a trend-setter
I set trends

[Beanzamillion21]

^
I'm a trend-setter
I set trends

You're a douche bag is what you are.

[100%duncan]

^
Whatever that makes you sleep well at night

[HarlemHeat37]

Kawhi is a good defender and all, but let's not get carried away here. Kobe will DESTROY Kawhi this season. We are better off using Jackson and Manu on Kobe as much as possible.

And having watched some Laker games recently, I have to disagree about him being just a jump shooter. He's penetrating just as much as past seasons, but not getting as many bail out calls by the refs. At least, that's the case in the games I've seen recently.

He shoots a lot of turn around fadeaways on the perimeter, which are hard to defend even for elite defenders. Kobe had several shots last night that made Tony Allen look helpless.

88% of Kobe's shots have been jump shots, this season..

[Beanzamillion21]

^
Whatever that makes you sleep well at night

God you are a gigantic faggot. Thank you whoever keeps this thread alive for great justice.

[100%duncan]

^
Whatever that makes you sleep well at night, smart boy.

[Beanzamillion21]

88% of Kobe's shots have been jump shots, this season..

Exactly! Can I get some stats on Leonard's defense on the jumper? Then I will be impressed.

[ElNono]

If it turns into Kobe vs Spurs, we have a great shot at winning...

[100%duncan]

If it turns into Kobe vs Spurs, we have a great shot at winning...

Kobe will be the best spur in that series

[SamoanTD]

To the whole kobe and dirk argument
.....Playoffs:
Dirk: 26ppg, 10.4rpg, 2.6apg, 46%fg, 38%3pt, 89%ft
Kobe: 25ppg, 5.2rpg, 4.6apg, 45%fg, 34%3pt, 84%ft

Career elimination games: (Both have been in a lot)
Dirk: 28.7ppg, 11.7rpg, 49%fg, 39%3pt, 89%ft
Kobe: 21.8ppg, 40%fg

Dirk also has 13 30+ point elimination games, which only Wilt and West achieved.
Game 7's:
Nowitzki: 28ppg, 14rpg on 50+%fg
Kobe: 22.6ppg, on 38%fg

but this doesnt really put in the defensive aspect that we know kobe plays but dirk doesnt really play D

[100%duncan]

To the whole kobe and dirk argument
.....Playoffs:
Dirk: 26ppg, 10.4rpg, 2.6apg, 46%fg, 38%3pt, 89%ft
Kobe: 25ppg, 5.2rpg, 4.6apg, 45%fg, 34%3pt, 84%ft

Career elimination games: (Both have been in a lot)
Dirk: 28.7ppg, 11.7rpg, 49%fg, 39%3pt, 89%ft
Kobe: 21.8ppg, 40%fg

Dirk also has 13 30+ point elimination games, which only Wilt and West achieved.
Game 7's:
Nowitzki: 28ppg, 14rpg on 50+%fg
Kobe: 22.6ppg, on 38%fg

but this doesnt really put in the defensive aspect that we know kobe plays but dirk doesnt really play D

Thank you for the stats, but the talk is over, I hope.

[SamoanTD]

Thank you for the stats, but the talk is over, I hope.

:toast no prob

[024]

more worried about bynum v duncan and diaw v gasol.

[Beanzamillion21]

Thank you for the stats, but the talk is over, I hope.

You really need to get over your Dirk affair man. Half your post are about the guy, and I mean what can I say? Cool, he is a 7' German that has 1 title under his belt. Cool, he has a sick step back jumper that nobody can defend. Cool, he won a championship single handed, on the tail end of his career with one hell of a second unit. You have greener pastures at www.dallas-mavs.com. Why don't you just suck Dirk's dick there?

[100%duncan]

^
What ever makes you sleep well at night, faggot.

[100%duncan]

You really need to get over your Dirk affair man. Half your post are about the guy, and I mean what can I say? Cool, he is a 7' German that has 1 title under his belt. Cool, he has a sick step back jumper that nobody can defend. Cool, he won a championship single handed, on the tail end of his career with one hell of a second unit. You have greener pastures at www.dallas-mavs.com. Why don't you just suck Dirk's dick there?

And you know what? It all doesn't matter, cos your argument is invalid.

[Beanzamillion21]

And you know what? It all doesn't matter, cos your argument is invalid.

The fuck? This is a Kawhi vs. Kobe thread. Please, tell me again who's argument is invalid.

[spursince#99]

Kawhi has too much length. Enough said.

[100%duncan]

The fuck? This is a Kawhi vs. Kobe thread. Please, tell me again who's argument is invalid.

Please refer to YOUR previous posts.

Again,
Reading 101

[100%duncan]

You really need to get over your Dirk affair man. Half your post are about the guy, and I mean what can I say? Cool, he is a 7' German that has 1 title under his belt. Cool, he has a sick step back jumper that nobody can defend. Cool, he won a championship single handed, on the tail end of his career with one hell of a second unit. You have greener pastures at www.dallas-mavs.com. Why don't you just suck Dirk's dick there?

Really? Why don't you read these threads, smartass.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193465
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193329

[Beanzamillion21]

Really? Why don't you read these threads, smartass.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193465
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193329

Probably because this thread has nothing to do with the Mavs and their gay bullshit. Strictly Kawhi v. Kobe.

Give me your honest opinion (like it is worth anything.) on what you think the outcome of the coming match up's will look like. Then all of ST can take you at least simi-seriously after your rather embarrassing antics tonight.

[freetiago]

kawhi did pretty well vs gay who is the exact same player as kobe but is actually more efficient and a better athlete
he also did pretty well vs durant who is way longer then kobe and shoots mostly jump shots

kawhi will get lots of practice hopefully since they play L.A 3 times in about 1 and half weeks

[Beanzamillion21]

kawhi did pretty well vs gay who is the exact same player as kobe but is actually more efficient and a better athlete
he also did pretty well vs durant who is way longer then kobe and shoots mostly jump shots

kawhi will get lots of practice hopefully since they play L.A 3 times in about 1 and half weeks

I agree. And if say the Lakers don't get knocked out of the first round, we know exactly who to play him. Don't get me wrong, playoffs are completely different from the regular season, but I feel Kawhi will adjust very well. Like previous threads state, the guy is already a "beast".

[Man In Black]

If Kawhi can handle Kevin Durant, then he can handle Kobe Bryant. Unless of course, the refs give Bean the preferential treatment. In which case, then no one can cover him except for Manu and truthfully, I would prefer for Manu to not use up that energy that's better served for the Spurs on offense. Thank RC the Spurs have 1 Stephen Jackson. Between that plus Danny Green as well, Kawhi got major backup.

[Baseline]

Bryant will jack up 25 shots a game. You can bet your life on that. The only drama is, how many will go in?

I'd say about 8-9 per game.

So the real question will be...can the Spurs keep those 9-foot tall bigs off the offensive glass.

Another key is not fouling Bryant. He's a very inefficient shooter, so the key is to make him shoot contested 18-20 footers. If he hits 8-9 buckets a game, that's 16-18 points. That's great for us on 25 shots. But if we let him get 8-10 free throws on top of the buckets, then he's up to 25 points.

[Baseline]

Bryant will jack up 25 shots a game. You can bet your life on that. The only drama is, how many will go in?

I'd say about 8-9 per game.

So the real question will be...can the Spurs keep those 9-foot tall bigs off the offensive glass.

Another key is not fouling Bryant. He's a very inefficient shooter, so the key is to make him shoot contested 18-20 footers. If he hits 8-9 buckets a game, that's 16-18 points. That's great for us on 25 shots. But if we let him get 8-10 free throws on top of the buckets, then he's up to 25 points.

[Man In Black]

Bean can score 35 points. But if he does it on 35 shots then he's doing that 1 point per shot ratio, which means Bean's effectiveness is down. That stat is like the "Bowen Metric".

[100%duncan]

Probably because this thread has nothing to do with the Mavs and their gay bullshit. Strictly Kawhi v. Kobe.

Give me your honest opinion (like it is worth anything.) on what you think the outcome of the coming match up's will look like. Then all of ST can take you at least simi-seriously after your rather embarrassing antics tonight.

didn't you get it? I ain't a Dirk lover dumb ass. I just love owning your small, stupid brain (if there is).

[Beanzamillion21]

I ain't a Dirk lover .

Fooled me.

[100%duncan]

Fooled me.

Read my threads, and eat your own shit for breakfast,lunch and dinner, poop the hell out of the bathroom and eat your shit again.

[will_spurs]

Meh. Kawhi is good, but I still look more forward to Stephen Jackson and Manu matchups. I think Kobe would find a way to draw fouls on Kawhi in the playoffs whereas it would be more of a chess match againt sj and manu.

Fact: Kawhi is in the top 20 All-Time of Rookies with the least fouls per minute.

For the record, Parker has 60 fouls (#17 in the league), Kawhi has 57 (#15) and Bonner has only 47 (#4).


And having watched some Laker games recently, I have to disagree about him being just a jump shooter. He's penetrating just as much as past seasons, but not getting as many bail out calls by the refs. At least, that's the case in the games I've seen recently.

(numbers per game)

Kobe last year: 7.1 FTA
Kobe career: 7.6 FTA
Kobe this season: 7.9 FTA

(he's shooting close to last year and/or career in terms of FTA per minute)


If Kobe can be goaded into taking 20+ well contested shots I would think the Spurs would be in prime position to take a series. I'll wait and see what the match-up looks like during the regular season before deciding anything.

Kobe has been averaging 20-21 shots per game in the last few years, and this number is quite stable in the playoffs.

Even though this season this number is up (23.4 FGA), I don't see how anybody could force him to shoot 20+ "well-contested" shots per game...

[xellos88330]

Leonard could do fine against Kobe. The added length could possibly even bother the turn around fadeaway that Kobe has a hard on for.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Should be one hell of a match up, and I'm confident that he can do well as the primary defender on Kobe. Looking forward to Pop throwing him in at the deep end of the pool. What I'm really hopeful about is the multitude of looks the Spurs can throw at Kobe. Short of a having a Bruce Bowen to throw at a perimeter player the next best thing is a variety of defensive options to keep them off balance. Some of that is scheme (traps, double teams, etc.) but with four guys with different sets of strengths and weaknesses in Manu, Jax, Green, and Leonard the Spurs can mix and match well enough to keep Kobe from getting too comfortable early. He's not as dangerous as he once was but he's still a threat do go off for 30 if he's able to get in a groove out of the gate.

[G-Dawgg]

Kobe is a Legend.
I'm a big fan of Kawhi, but he is just a little kid in comparison.

That's like somebody saying "Bismack Biyombo vs Tim Duncan!"...it sounds really funny and stupid.

[silverblk mystix]

Kobe is a RAPIST.
I'm a big fan of Kawhi, but he is just a little kid in comparison.




fify

[Beanzamillion21]

fify

:lol

[Spurs da champs]

I don't know if he'll guard Kobe because then who'd guard Ron Artest? I know that sounds like an idiotic question but Danny Green obviously is not big enough or strong enough to guard him.

[TD 21]

I don't know if he'll guard Kobe because then who'd guard Ron Artest? I know that sounds like an idiotic question but Danny Green obviously is not big enough or strong enough to guard him.

A combination of Ginobili, Jackson and Green. If the Lakers are stupid enough to become consumed with posting him up consistently, then that obviously means less touches for their big three and significantly increases the chances of the Spurs winning. And even if that were the right call, if Bryant is too selfish to consistently feed Bynum and Gasol, who have mismatches virtually every game, then what chance does Artest have? It's not like it's unique for him to have a strength advantage anyway. Other than James, there's no other wing with anywhere near the same strength as him.

[Spurs da champs]

Other than James, there's no other wing with anywhere near the same strength as him.

While that maybe true, he has a significant size/strength advantage over Green specifically. We already are handicapped against them in the post at the PF spot, no need to be so at the SF spot as well.

[gilmor]

Kobe is a Legend.
I'm a big fan of Kawhi, but he is just a little kid in comparison.

That's like somebody saying "Bismack Biyombo vs Tim Duncan!"...it sounds really funny and stupid.

What's Bowen stats vs Kobe?

Kawhi won't be better than Bowen at this juncture.

[SpursDynasty85]

Originally Posted by SpursDynasty85 http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/Style_Templates/Flashskin/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5732708#post5732708)
Meh. Kawhi is good, but I still look more forward to Stephen Jackson and Manu matchups. I think Kobe would find a way to draw fouls on Kawhi in the playoffs whereas it would be more of a chess match againt sj and manu.











Fact: Kawhi is in the top 20 All-Time of Rookies with the least fouls per minute.

For the record, Parker has 60 fouls (#17 in the league), Kawhi has 57 (#15) and Bonner has only 47 (#4).




The best way to gaurd Kobe is pressure pressure pressure. Kawhi is good, but come on. He has never even seen the likes of Kobe 1v1 yet. Gaurding Kobe/KD 1v1 is the hardest job in the NBA. Seeing how Kawhi has only seen Kobe once this season, he's going to need a lot more experience against him in the playoffs where Kobe is so good at drawing fouls. Same for Durant.

I'm super excited at what Kawhi can do defensively, but am I excited to see Kawhi vs Kobe, Kawhi vs KD, in the playoffs? nah. More like anxious.