Kobe & Duncan's Playoff runs

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe Bryant
'00: 21.1-4.5-4.4-.442%
'01: 29.4-7.3-6.1-.469%
'02: 26.6-5.8-4.6-.434%
'04: 24.5-4.7-5.5-.413%
'08: 30.1-5.7-5.6-.479%
'09: 30.2-5.3-5.5-.457%
'10: 29.2-6.0-5.5-.458%

Tim Duncan
'99: 23.2-11.5-2.8-.511%
'03: 24.7-15.4-5.3-.529%
'05: 23.6-12.4-2.7-.464%
'07: 22.2-11.5-3.3-.521%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/e1E9t
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pi/shareit/vUE06

[Deuce Bigalow]

Who is better? Who had the better career?

[lefty]

Shaq/Gasol vs Duncan


TBH

[NewcastleKEG]

Duncan = Greatest Power Foward of All Time
Kobe = One of the Greateast Shooting Guards of All Time


Kobe = Jerry West
Duncan = Wilt Chamberlin

[Muser]

Kobe = Jerry West


No

[NewcastleKEG]

NewcastleKEG and his shitty basketball takes, as constant as taxes and death
Sorry I'm not ranking a sidekick ahead of the greatest power forward of all time

[lefty]

Duncan = Greatest Power Foward of All Time
Kobe = One of the Greateast Shooting Guards of All Time


Kobe = Jerry West
Duncan = Wilt Chamberlin
lol no

West was actually clutch

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol no

West was actually clutch

What?

Did you not see watch what he did to your team in the Playoffs?

2002 WCSF
Game 3 - 11 points on 5/5 shooting to give LA 2-1 lead
Game 4 - Outscored entire Spurs team in the 4th by himself hitting the gamewinner at the end to give LA 3-1 lead

2008 WCF
Game 1 - Led team to 20 point comeback, hit gamewinner to give LA 1-0 lead

4th Quarter stats

2001 Playoffs - 4th Quarter/OT
Bryant - 40/80 FG, 7/18 3PT, 50.0 FG%, 54.4 eFG%, 38.9 3PT% in 16 games
O'Neal - 38/71 FG, 0/0 3PT, 53.5 FG%, 53.5 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 16 games

2002 Playoffs - 4th Quarter/OT
Bryant - 52/106 FG, 12/24 3PT, 49.1 FG%, 54.7 eFG%, 50.0 3PT% in 19 games
O'Neal - 32/85 FG, 0/0 3PT, 37.6 FG%, 37.6 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 18 games

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2001&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=LAL&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2001&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=LAL&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sorry I'm not ranking a sidekick ahead of the greatest power forward of all time

2008-2010
2 Championships (back to back)
2 Finals MVPs (back to back)
3 Finals appearances in a row
30-6-6 Playoff average
Only player to score 600 playoff points for 3 straight years
Joins Jordan, Hakeem, and Shaq as the only players to win back to back Finals MVPs

[xellos88330]

I'll bite.

This is how simple it is. Being the best player on your team twice, or being the best player on your team 3 times during the Finals?

How about being the most valuable player twice, or once?

Combine that with 4 rings and 3 being a teams best offensive AND defensive weapon? It is clearly Duncan.

Which player has the best career win%? Kobe or Duncan? The playoffs aren't the only part of a career. Oh, and TD still hasn't lost in the Finals. The funny thing is... Kobe has lost even with multiple all stars and hall of famers on his team. LOL KOBE!!!

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'll bite.

This is how simple it is. Being the best player on your team twice, or being the best player on your team 3 times during the Finals?

How about being the most valuable player twice, or once?

Combine that with 4 rings and 3 being a teams best offensive AND defensive weapon? It is clearly Duncan.

Which player has the best career win%? Kobe or Duncan? The playoffs aren't the only part of a career. Oh, and TD still hasn't lost in the Finals. The funny thing is... Kobe has lost even with multiple all stars and hall of famers on his team. LOL KOBE!!!

You can't just dismiss his '01 & '02 rings because he wasn't the best player.
It's like dismissing Kareem's rings because he had Magic, who was the best player for arguably 4/5 rings

[NRHector]

I'll bite too, they can never be compared, both play different positions

[ElNono]

What?

Did you not see watch what he did to your team in the Playoffs?

2002 WCSF
Game 3 - 11 points on 5/5 shooting to give LA 2-1 lead
Game 4 - Outscored entire Spurs team in the 4th by himself hitting the gamewinner at the end to give LA 3-1 lead

2008 WCF
Game 1 - Led team to 20 point comeback, hit gamewinner to give LA 1-0 lead

4th Quarter stats

2001 Playoffs - 4th Quarter/OT
Bryant - 40/80 FG, 7/18 3PT, 50.0 FG%, 54.4 eFG%, 38.9 3PT% in 16 games
O'Neal - 38/71 FG, 0/0 3PT, 53.5 FG%, 53.5 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 16 games

2002 Playoffs - 4th Quarter/OT
Bryant - 52/106 FG, 12/24 3PT, 49.1 FG%, 54.7 eFG%, 50.0 3PT% in 19 games
O'Neal - 32/85 FG, 0/0 3PT, 37.6 FG%, 37.6 eFG%, 0.0 3PT% in 18 games

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2001&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=LAL&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shot_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&year_id=2001&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=LAL&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&shot_pts=&is_make=&shot_type=&shot_distance_min=&shot_distance_max=&q4=Y&q5=Y&time_remain_minutes=12&time_remain_seconds=0&time_remain_comp=le&margin_min=&margin_max=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&order_by=fg

Why are you cherry-picking? List them all...

[pass1st]

Duncan hasn't lost in the finals, Kobe has

Kobe repeated multiple times, Duncan hasn't once

Duncan has more final MVPs than Kobe

Kobe has more rings than Duncan

Duncan did it with less talent

Kobe did it with more harder competition

You can go back and forth, nobody will ever agree.

[ElNono]

You can't just dismiss his '01 & '02 rings because he wasn't the best player.
It's like dismissing Kareem's rings because he had Magic, who was the best player for arguably 4/5 rings

Sure you can. Otherwise Horry > Jordan.

[Nathan89]

Sorry I'm not ranking a sidekick ahead of the greatest power forward of all time
:tu

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why are you cherry-picking? List them all...

they don't have the shot finder pre 2000-01

and anyways, Kobe was carried to the 2000 ring, he was young and Shaq was at his peak. But you can say Kobe carried SHaq in the biggest game ('00 wcf)

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sure you can. Otherwise Horry > Jordan.

WOW!

Horry?

Do you have a brain?

[Nathan89]

Duncan hasn't lost in the finals, Kobe has

Kobe repeated multiple times, Duncan hasn't once

Duncan has more final MVPs than Kobe

Kobe has more rings than Duncan

Duncan did it with less talent

Kobe did it with more harder competition

You can go back and forth, nobody will ever agree.

Duncan did it on a small market team

Kobe did it with a large market team

back and forth

[lefty]

Kobe was clutch too, unless you're a gnsf who blatantly ignores that

Who am I kidding, you're lefty ffs...
Nazis :lmao

[NewcastleKEG]

2008-2010
2 Championships (back to back)
2 Finals MVPs (back to back)
3 Finals appearances in a row
30-6-6 Playoff average
Only player to score 600 playoff points for 3 straight years
Joins Jordan, Hakeem, and Shaq as the only players to win back to back Finals MVPs
All accomplished after the Ridiculous Gasol trade

8j9nsqv9m6M

Dominique Wilkins would have done no worse

[ElNono]

WOW!

Horry?

Do you have a brain?


You can't just dismiss his xx & xx rings because he wasn't the best player.

Do you?

[Deuce Bigalow]

All accomplished after the Ridiculous Gasol trade

8j9nsqv9m6M

Dominique Wilkins would have done no worse

GTFO. I can't discuss with retards

[pass1st]

Seems like every time Deuce posts he's talking about Kobe, troll account?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Do you?

Shaq-Kobe after '00
Magic-Kareem
Moses-Dr J

They were dynamic duos.

Horry isn't in this discussion, he was a role player.

[ElNono]

Shaq-Kobe after '00
Magic-Kareem
Moses-Dr J

They were dynamic duos.

Horry isn't in this discussion, he was a role player.

Kobe was a role player when Shaq was around. A great role player, like Pippen, but there's no doubt (at the time) who the franchise, dominant player was.

[xellos88330]

You can't just dismiss his '01 & '02 rings because he wasn't the best player.
It's like dismissing Kareem's rings because he had Magic, who was the best player for arguably 4/5 rings

Fair enough. How about we try this. These are just a few of the players that TD had to face at his position which happen to be pretty solid defensive players in their careers.

Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Kenyon Martin, Dikembe Mutombo, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'neal, Pau Gasol, Rasheed Wallace, Arvidas Sabonis, Antonio McDyess, Robert Horry.

That is all I know off the top of my head btw. There are probably more.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe was a role player when Shaq was around. A great role player, like Pippen, but there's no doubt (at the time) who the franchise, dominant player was.

Are you fucking retarded?

'01: 29.4-7.3-6.1-.469%
'02: 26.6-5.8-4.6-.434%

'01 WCF vs YOUR SPURS
33.3-7.0-7.0-51%

Led the team in 4th quarter scoring both years, some role player :rolleyes

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Both have 4 championships as a superstar caliber player.
Duncan has the extra Finals MVP, but Kobe's 3 extra Finals trips and '00 ring off sets that, and the fact that he repeated multiple times

[NRHector]

Fair enough. How about we try this. These are just a few of the players that TD had to face at his position which happen to be pretty solid defensive players in their careers.

Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Kenyon Martin, Dikembe Mutombo, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'neal, Pau Gasol, Rasheed Wallace, Arvidas Sabonis, Antonio McDyess, Robert Horry.

That is all I know off the top of my head btw. There are probably more.

that's why I said they can never be compared because is easier for a guard just to shot from the top unlike Tim he had to actually work for his points. A perfect example is Dirk Nowitzki, he's always camping at top of the key for an easy basket.

[Giuseppe]

Both have 4 championships as a superstar caliber player.
Duncan has the extra Finals MVP, but Kobe's 3 extra Finals trips and '00 ring off sets that, and the fact that he repeated multiple times

2, I don't do all that ancillary materiel. I was brought up on ring count because it was at the end of the '60s and I was facing a 50foot tidal wave of the Celtics.

40 years later, it's imminent.

[ElNono]

Are you fucking retarded?

'01: 29.4-7.3-6.1-.469%
'02: 26.6-5.8-4.6-.434%

'01 WCF vs YOUR SPURS
33.3-7.0-7.0-51%

Led the team in 4th quarter scoring both years, some role player :rolleyes

Are you retarded?

'01: 30.4-15.4-.555%
'02: 28.5-12.6-.529%

lol cherry picking quarters and games.

No Shaq = no ship.

From 2000-2005, the comparison is Shaq vs Duncan.

[ElNono]

Both have 4 championships as a superstar caliber player.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Kobe has 2 as The Man... not even arguable.

[lefty]

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[Deuce Bigalow]

Are you retarded?

'01: 30.4-15.4-.555%
'02: 28.5-12.6-.529%

lol cherry picking quarters and games.

No Shaq = no ship.

From 2000-2005, the comparison is Shaq vs Duncan.

I guess Kareem's last 4 rings don't count because he wasn't the best player :rolleyes

And Kobe was BETTER than Duncan in '01 and '02.

[Deuce Bigalow]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Kobe has 2 as The Man... not even arguable.

2 as the best player yes. Kareem, Hakeem, and Kobe have 2 rings as the "man"
Kareem has 6 total, Kobe 5 total. Kareem and Kobe were superstar caliber for the other rings (except Kareem's last ring and Kobe's first ring)

[lefty]

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Jordan shits on both of them

[xellos88330]

that's why I said they can never be compared because is easier for a guard just to shot from the top unlike Tim he had to actually work for his points. A perfect example is Dirk Nowitzki, he's always camping at top of the key for an easy basket.

Yeah I know. I am just trying to show the Kobe fanboys that the quality of defender and type of players Duncan has had to face throughout the years. I look at that short list and see quite a few shot block champions, DPOY's. That was just for him to get his points. He also shot over 50% against players like those in the playoffs. Then you have to add in the fact that Duncan also has to defend the O'Neals, Gasols, Bynums, Howards, Malones of the NBA. Not to mention also defend against slashing guards and whatnot.

Tim clearly has meant more to the team and has been the sole reason for having such a high career win%. He has to do a hell of a lot more than Kobe does. Kobe leaves a lot of the work for his frontcourt.

[NRHector]

yeah i know. I am just trying to show the kobe fanboys that the quality of defender and type of players duncan has had to face throughout the years. I look at that short list and see quite a few shot block champions, dpoy's. That was just for him to get his points. He also shot over 50% against players like those in the playoffs. Then you have to add in the fact that duncan also has to defend the o'neals, gasols, bynums, howards, malones of the nba. Not to mention also defend against slashing guards and whatnot.

Tim clearly has meant more to the team and has been the sole reason for having such a high career win%. He has to do a hell of a lot more than kobe does. Kobe leaves a lot of the work for his frontcourt.

+1

[xellos88330]

What I am saying is simple.

Kobe was the best offensive player for his playoff teams. Duncan was the best offensive and defensive player for his teams.

My vote goes to Duncan as far as better career. He doesn't get to hang out around the perimeter on defense. He has to be there every game on both sides of the court.

[lefty]

What I am saying is simple.

Kobe was the best offensive player for his playoff teams. Duncan was the best offensive and defensive player for his teams.

My vote goes to Duncan as far as better career. He doesn't get to hang out around the perimeter on defense. He has to be there every game on both sides of the court.
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[Deuce Bigalow]

What I am saying is simple.

Kobe was the best offensive player for his playoff teams. Duncan was the best offensive and defensive player for his teams.

My vote goes to Duncan as far as better career. He doesn't get to hang out around the perimeter on defense. He has to be there every game on both sides of the court.

Fair enough. But defense is also played in the perimeter aswell :toast

[lefty]

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[xellos88330]

Fair enough. But defense is also played in the perimeter aswell :toast

Oh of course it is. Kobe guards his man. Duncan guards his man, AND everyone elses.

[ElNono]

I guess Kareem's last 4 rings don't count because he wasn't the best player :rolleyes

That's your premise.


And Kobe was BETTER than Duncan in '01 and '02.

Better as in? :lol

It's easy to drop numbers when you don't have to carry your team and the actual best player on the team is getting double-triple teamed...

Rememba det time when Shaq left and Kome missed the playoffs and got kicked out in the 1st round?

So, yeah, role player.

[ElNono]

2 as the best player yes. Kareem, Hakeem, and Kobe have 2 rings as the "man"
Kareem has 6 total, Kobe 5 total. Kareem and Kobe were superstar caliber for the other rings (except Kareem's last ring and Kobe's first ring)

Duncan has none as "superstar", whatever that means. All 4 of his are HIM being The Man. Same with Jordan.

Thus the reason Kirby will be remembered as a glorified T-Mac without the back spasms.

[Deuce Bigalow]

That's your premise.



Better as in? :lol

It's easy to drop numbers when you don't have to carry your team and the actual best player on the team is getting double-triple teamed...

Rememba det time when Shaq left and Kome missed the playoffs and got kicked out in the 1st round?

So, yeah, role player.

You're so butthurt about Kobe. I know he put the dagger in your heart many times. Just let it out.

[ElNono]

You're so butthurt about Kobe. I know he put the dagger in your heart many times. Just let it out.

That's all you have? :lol

Me being butthurt or not has no bearing on him being a glorified sidekick. When the keys to the team were handed to him, he failed, then he started to kick and scream and requested to be traded.

You do remember that part too, right?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Oh of course it is. Kobe guards his man. Duncan guards his man, AND everyone elses.

I don't have a problem with Duncan being over Kobe.
I have Kobe #7 and Duncan #8 on my AT list, close to each other.

[Deuce Bigalow]

That's all you have? :lol

Me being butthurt or not has no bearing on him being a glorified sidekick. When the keys to the team were handed to him, he failed, then he started to kick and scream and requested to be traded.

You do remember that part too, right?

Good, good.
Let the butthurt flow through you.

[Spur_Fanatic]

You're so butthurt about Kobe. I know he put the dagger in your heart many times. Just let it out.

So true. After all he started a threa... oh wait

You are terrible at this.
Where's Kobe stats for the Finals?
The guy is a chucker, lol at his 25% FG on tight games.

[Giuseppe]

When the keys to the team were handed to him, he failed, then he started to kick and scream and requested to be traded.

You do remember that part too, right?

Wouldn't have it any other way. That's how we got on top of the tired old shit bag Duncan, 5-4.

[Deuce Bigalow]

So true. After all he started a threa... oh wait

You are terrible at this.
Where's Kobe stats for the Finals?
The guy is a chucker, lol at his 25% FG on tight games.

lol where's his 15 rebounds and 10 4th quarter points?

I thought scoring wasn't the only thing you guys say?
He grabs 15 rebounds but it doesn't count...

[Giuseppe]

Where's Kobe stats for the Finals?

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[ElNono]

Good, good.
Let the butthurt flow through you.

So you don't remember him quitting on his team and trying to force a Bynum trade? :lmao

Kobefan seething mad that his Kobe lovefest thread got derailed with facts... :lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

So you don't remember him quitting on his team and trying to force a Bynum trade? :lmao

Kobefan seething mad that his Kobe lovefest thread got derailed with facts... :lmao

You're so buthurt and stupid :lmao

[ElNono]

I moved to personal attacks when my shit got pushed in :cry

:lmao

[Giuseppe]

So you don't remember him quitting on his team and trying to force a Bynum trade?

I do. That's how we ended up:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Deuce Bigalow]

I posted facts. You're just posting butthurt comments

[ElNono]

I do. That's how we ended up:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope:::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

I posted facts. You're just posting butthurt comments

2, you can't do it with these guys. You're wasting your breath.

[Giuseppe]

Nope:::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Nope.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope:::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

Nope:::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Uh, uh,,,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Uh, uh,,,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Wrong::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

Wrong::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope...

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Deuce Bigalow]

Nope...

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

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[baseline bum]

Incorrect, it goes:::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[callo1]

Duncan hasn't lost in the finals, Kobe has

Kobe repeated multiple times, Duncan hasn't once

Duncan has more final MVPs than Kobe

Kobe has more rings than Duncan

Duncan did it with less talent

Kobe did it with more harder competition

You can go back and forth, nobody will ever agree.

Somebody making some sense.

Apples and oranges. Different positions and situations.

[Giuseppe]

Incorrect, it goes:::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Nope.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

You're going senile; it goes::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

You're going senile; it goes::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Incorrect:::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[ElNono]

I posted facts. You're just posting butthurt comments

I addressed those "facts" and posted some of my own... at which point you decided to stop talking about them...


You're so butthurt about Kobe. I know he put the dagger in your heart many times. Just let it out.


Good, good.
Let the butthurt flow through you.


You're so buthurt and stupid :lmao

:jack

[Deuce Bigalow]

You're going senile; it goes::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

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[Deuce Bigalow]

I addressed those "facts" and posted some of my own... at which point you decided to stop talking about them...







:jack

what facts?

"kome is a role player"

[ElNono]

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[Deuce Bigalow]

http://assets.sbnation.com/imported_assets/82056/horry7.jpg

Horry's really comparable in your eyes isn't he?

[baseline bum]

Hey Cul.. man, it's still::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

Incorrect:::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Nope.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

You're confused man:::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[ElNono]

what facts?


It's easy to drop numbers when you don't have to carry your team and the actual best player on the team is getting double-triple teamed...

Rememba det time when Shaq left and Kome missed the playoffs and got kicked out in the 1st round?


When the keys to the team were handed to him, he failed, then he started to kick and scream and requested to be traded.

You do remember that part too, right?


So you don't remember him quitting on his team and trying to force a Bynum trade? :lmao

Facts

[ElNono]

Horry's really comparable in your eyes isn't he?

No, that was YOUR argument.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No, that was YOUR argument.

I only posted that because some posted that Kobe has 2

[Deuce Bigalow]

Facts

what does that have to do with this?

"requested trade" yeah ok? your point?

[midnightpulp]

This debate again?

[Giuseppe]

You're confused man:::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4


Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Wrong Again::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[ElNono]

what does that have to do with this?

"requested trade" yeah ok? your point?

That he simply couldn't carry a team when Shaq left, further proving he was just a role player back then...

Do I need to spell it out for you?

[ElNono]

I only posted that because some posted that Kobe has 2

He does.

[Giuseppe]

Wrong Again::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4



Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

That he simply couldn't carry a team when Shaq left, further proving he was just a role player back then...

Do I need to spell it out for you?

It's spelled like this:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Uh, uh.... Acknowledge:::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

It's spelled like this:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Your spelling needs work son:::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

Uh, uh.... Acknowledge:::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

You're wrong; it goes::::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Giuseppe]

You're wrong; it goes::::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

Nope,

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

I heard you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but I haven't given up you Cubby:::::::::::::

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[baseline bum]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189028&highlight=Giuseppe+rodeo

[Deuce Bigalow]

That he simply couldn't carry a team when Shaq left, further proving he was just a role player back then...

Do I need to spell it out for you?

Role player in '97 & '98 probably. But we are not talking about 97-98

[ElNono]

Role player in '97 & '98 probably. But we are not talking about 97-98

or 05-06

tee, hee

[100%duncan]

Don't care, fuck you all.

[DMC]

Stats fag just fagging the stats he's supposed to fag.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

This kid makes Ducks look like a genius.

[100%duncan]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4


Stats fag just fagging the stats he's supposed to fag.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[Cry Havoc]

How many times has Duncan missed the playoffs? It's hard to remember, quite frankly.

[Giuseppe]

How many times has Duncan missed the playoffs? It's hard to remember, quite frankly.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[LkrFan]

How many times has Duncan missed the playoffs? It's hard to remember, quite frankly.

How many starting all star centers posted 13/8 in NBA history? It's hard to remember, quite frankly. :downspin:

[ElNono]

How many starting all star centers posted 13/8 in NBA history? It's hard to remember, quite frankly. :downspin:

I do remember who was the leader of the team that set a new record for worst loss in NBA Finals history... :downspin:

[LkrFan]

I do remember who was the leader of the team that set a new record for worst loss in NBA Finals history... :downspin:

Worst loss (one game) v. team with best record (1 seed) losing handidly to an 8 seed that tanked to play you (4 losses). Which was more embarrasing? Now :downspin: that shit, you dig?

[baseline bum]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Now you're back singing that song after you quit like Kobe in a game 7. Your silence already acknowledged

Daddy: 3

Kobe: 2

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Ain't nothing you can do to take it back neither.

[ElNono]

Worst loss (one game) v. team with best record (1 seed) losing handidly to an 8 seed that tanked to play you (4 losses). Which was more embarrasing? Now :downspin: that shit, you dig?

One still remains in the record books... the other happened before.

Keep :downspin:

[Andrew Bynum]

Anyone have a picture of ElNono?

[ElNono]

Anyone have a picture of ElNono?

Have you ever made a 3?

[Andrew Bynum]

Have you ever made a 3?

I made one last night, fucking retard. I bet you're so fucking disgusting looking.

[BRHornet45]

Duncan > Kobe

and it ain't even close son. that is a non-biased, outsider opinion who doesn't like either one of them. however anyone with a brain who understands the game of basketball and doesn't get all of their opinions from watching SportsCenter will know that Duncan is the better player, has had the better career, and has done more for his team in one championship season than Kobe has done for his team in his entire career.

Duncan was the LEGIT, CLEAR CUT team leader of the Spurs for two out of their three NBA championships. He was "that dude" during their first two championships in 2003 and 2005, and then became a role player for their third championship in 2007 whenever both Parker and Manu took over the leadership role.

Kobe on the other hand has never once in his career been the clear cut team leader of the Lakers during their title runs. not ONCE. He has always been a glorified role player and in recent years a "forced" co-leader AT BEST. Kobe was blessed to be thrown onto the Lakers in arguably the best market for professional basketball where not only the media fell in love with him, but the league did as well. Shaq was the team leader when he was there and Kobe completely shit the bed during the three and a half years without Shaq until Gasol's arrival, etc..

sons the bomb has been dropped
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/f1/5b/f15b591ee62186f0af4a801920c19aa1.png

[TE]

Duncan > Kobe

and it ain't even close son. that is a non-biased, outsider opinion who doesn't like either one of them. however anyone with a brain who understands the game of basketball and doesn't get all of their opinions from watching SportsCenter will know that Duncan is the better player, has had the better career, and has done more for his team in one championship season than Kobe has done for his team in his entire career.

Duncan was the LEGIT, CLEAR CUT team leader of the Spurs for two out of their three NBA championships. He was "that dude" during their first two championships in 2003 and 2005, and then became a role player for their third championship in 2007 whenever both Parker and Manu took over the leadership role.

Kobe on the other hand has never once in his career been the clear cut team leader of the Lakers during their title runs. not ONCE. He has always been a glorified role player and in recent years a "forced" co-leader AT BEST. Kobe was blessed to be thrown onto the Lakers in arguably the best market for professional basketball where not only the media fell in love with him, but the league did as well. Shaq was the team leader when he was there and Kobe completely shit the bed during the three and a half years without Shaq until Gasol's arrival, etc..

sons the bomb has been dropped
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/f1/5b/f15b591ee62186f0af4a801920c19aa1.png

wow,

:tu. Never thought you'd talk about Duncan like this.

[ElNono]

I made one last night, fucking retard. I bet you're so fucking disgusting looking.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/files/2011/05/Andrew-Bynum.jpg

A Bynum troll of all people talking about disgusting looking :lmao

[ElNono]

Duncan > Kobe

and it ain't even close son. that is a non-biased, outsider opinion who doesn't like either one of them. however anyone with a brain who understands the game of basketball and doesn't get all of their opinions from watching SportsCenter will know that Duncan is the better player, has had the better career, and has done more for his team in one championship season than Kobe has done for his team in his entire career.

Duncan was the LEGIT, CLEAR CUT team leader of the Spurs for two out of their three NBA championships. He was "that dude" during their first two championships in 2003 and 2005, and then became a role player for their third championship in 2007 whenever both Parker and Manu took over the leadership role.

Kobe on the other hand has never once in his career been the clear cut team leader of the Lakers during their title runs. not ONCE. He has always been a glorified role player and in recent years a "forced" co-leader AT BEST. Kobe was blessed to be thrown onto the Lakers in arguably the best market for professional basketball where not only the media fell in love with him, but the league did as well. Shaq was the team leader when he was there and Kobe completely shit the bed during the three and a half years without Shaq until Gasol's arrival, etc..

sons the bomb has been dropped
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/f1/5b/f15b591ee62186f0af4a801920c19aa1.png

Son, I want your honest, unbiased opinion on a related, highly important matter. Do the Lakers win the 2004 championship if you replace Kobe with T-Mac? God bless, son.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan > Kobe

and it ain't even close son. that is a non-biased, outsider opinion who doesn't like either one of them. however anyone with a brain who understands the game of basketball and doesn't get all of their opinions from watching SportsCenter will know that Duncan is the better player, has had the better career, and has done more for his team in one championship season than Kobe has done for his team in his entire career.

Duncan was the LEGIT, CLEAR CUT team leader of the Spurs for two out of their three NBA championships. He was "that dude" during their first two championships in 2003 and 2005, and then became a role player for their third championship in 2007 whenever both Parker and Manu took over the leadership role.

Kobe on the other hand has never once in his career been the clear cut team leader of the Lakers during their title runs. not ONCE. He has always been a glorified role player and in recent years a "forced" co-leader AT BEST. Kobe was blessed to be thrown onto the Lakers in arguably the best market for professional basketball where not only the media fell in love with him, but the league did as well. Shaq was the team leader when he was there and Kobe completely shit the bed during the three and a half years without Shaq until Gasol's arrival, etc..

sons the bomb has been dropped
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/f1/5b/f15b591ee62186f0af4a801920c19aa1.png

Kobe - :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt:



HORNETS -
http://1trashsociety.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/imgres-11.jpeg


U Mad?

[Andrew Bynum]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/files/2011/05/Andrew-Bynum.jpg

A Bynum troll of all people talking about disgusting looking :lmao

lol dodging the fact your ignorant ass didn't know I hit a three the last game. And uhm I'm a seven foot one inch beast of a man. Fucking built like all hell, far from disgusting. You on the other hand is a pathetic excuse for life. Please post a picture of your face.

[100%duncan]

Duncan > Kobe

and it ain't even close son. that is a non-biased, outsider opinion who doesn't like either one of them. however anyone with a brain who understands the game of basketball and doesn't get all of their opinions from watching SportsCenter will know that Duncan is the better player, has had the better career, and has done more for his team in one championship season than Kobe has done for his team in his entire career.

Duncan was the LEGIT, CLEAR CUT team leader of the Spurs for two out of their three NBA championships. He was "that dude" during their first two championships in 2003 and 2005, and then became a role player for their third championship in 2007 whenever both Parker and Manu took over the leadership role.

Kobe on the other hand has never once in his career been the clear cut team leader of the Lakers during their title runs. not ONCE. He has always been a glorified role player and in recent years a "forced" co-leader AT BEST. Kobe was blessed to be thrown onto the Lakers in arguably the best market for professional basketball where not only the media fell in love with him, but the league did as well. Shaq was the team leader when he was there and Kobe completely shit the bed during the three and a half years without Shaq until Gasol's arrival, etc..

sons the bomb has been dropped
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/hash/f1/5b/f15b591ee62186f0af4a801920c19aa1.png

Eat the bomb, Nagasaki(Naruto Lovers) bitches!

[Rapper]

My man Timmy is the best player of all time

[Giuseppe]

^

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

[wanggi]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Jordan:6
the tired old shit bag Kobe:5

Just Bendovers and Gigolos play the 2nd place card.:lol

[100%duncan]

^

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

Daddy:3
Kobe:2
TOSB TD: 4

come ta pappy
signed,
pappy

[Killakobe81]

Duncan = Greatest Power Foward of All Time
Kobe = One of the Greateast Shooting Guards of All Time


Kobe = Jerry West
Duncan = Wilt Chamberlin

2 great players (never saw the old guys play live) but Duncan has more rings than both those guys combined and Kobe has more than Duncan ... even if you add Wilt's college title (think he got one ... not sure).

[Spur_Fanatic]

Facts are Kobe is a chucker, and needs a lot of help.
From refs, from team, from coach. Doesn't matter.

Truly sad he turns down that help, and chucks games away.
After all, they can't shoot for him (and even if they could, he'd not let them)

A truly, truly sad story. :(

[xellos88330]

Fair enough. How about we try this. These are just a few of the players that TD had to face at his position which happen to be pretty solid defensive players in their careers.

Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, Kenyon Martin, Dikembe Mutombo, Kevin Garnett, Shaquille O'neal, Pau Gasol, Rasheed Wallace, Arvidas Sabonis, Antonio McDyess, Robert Horry.

That is all I know off the top of my head btw. There are probably more.
. I am just trying to show the Kobe fanboys that the quality of defender and type of players Duncan has had to face throughout the years. I look at that short list and see quite a few shot block champions, DPOY's. That was just for him to get his points. He also shot over 50% against players like those in the playoffs. Then you have to add in the fact that Duncan also has to defend the O'Neals, Gasols, Bynums, Howards, Malones of the NBA. Not to mention also defend against slashing guards and whatnot.

Tim clearly has meant more to the team and has been the sole reason for having such a high career win%. He has to do a hell of a lot more than Kobe does. Kobe leaves a lot of the work for his frontcourt.

I am wondering, who exactly has Kobe had to face during his playoff runs? Any players particularly known for their defense?

[endrity]

Daddy:3
Kobe:2
TOSB TD: 4

come ta pappy
signed,
pappy

You should know his reply by now:

I am a trend setter.
I set trends.

[Spurs9]

Kobe 9-24 for 30 points. :lol

[Killakobe81]

the Duncan defense mechanism is full effect. Kobe's success or accolades has no bearing on Duncan. His legacy is just as assured as Kobe's.

[ElNono]

lol dodging the fact your ignorant ass didn't know I hit a three the last game. And uhm I'm a seven foot one inch beast of a man. Fucking built like all hell, far from disgusting. You on the other hand is a pathetic excuse for life. Please post a picture of your face.

:lol 7'1 shooting 3s
:lol benched for missing a 3
:lol man boobs
:lol bra buster
:lol glass knees built like hell
:lol shitty troll wants pictures of man

[Giuseppe]

Kobe 9-24 for 30 points. :lol

The last two baskets were just cold blooded.

Turned this place into a hospital zone.

[Koolaid_Man]

ahh fuck it Imma post this cuz I can...


thqXXGzh6Ws

[ElNono]

ahh fuck it Imma post this cuz I can...

thqXXGzh6Ws

:lol swept by the Jazz
:lol MJ winning his 6th ring