Kyrie Irving

[Scrub]

What do you guys think of him? Been watching him these past weeks and he really looks legit. IMHO, he's the best 1st pick out of the last 7 drafts. Best PG in the game by the time his rookie contract expires.

[DPG21920]

He's had a really, really great rookie season. He appears to be on his way to being a top flight PG if he can continue improving.

I'm shocked at how efficient he is (47/40/87 :wow).

[NewcastleKEG]

Haven't been able to catch him too much but obviously he has eclipsed expectations. As a Duke fan I didn't think he would be this good

[baseline bum]

The Cavs did really well to get him; Kyrie is a spectacular ballhandler with good speed and tremendous range. I don't know how everyone wasn't hyped up about him to begin the season after how unstoppable he made Duke before getting hurt last year. Too bad the Cavs are too good to have much of a shot at Anthony Davis or Michael Gilchrist. I wish they would have gone with Valaciunas instead of Thompson at the #4 pick last year.

[JRHernandez88]

I like him personally. He's Gonna be a top point guard in the game 4real because of his versatility. Guys fun to watch. Good pick Cleveland.

[DPG21920]

Cavs look silly for rushing to get a low ceiling player for immediate help when they suck anyways vs going with someone like Val with a much higher ceiling.

[pass1st]

Wonder if Cavs can hold on to him

[Latarian Milton]

most dem niggas in last year's pool were limited talents and iring was like the only one standing out, none of the rest exceeds leonard or paul george tbh

[TDMVPDPOY]

whats gilberts chances of the cavs winning a championship b4 lechoke???

[Hoops Czar]

whats gilberts chances of the cavs winning a championship b4 lechoke???

10/1

[dirk4mvp]

He is a fuckin boss. A few seasons away from being one of the best players in da league.

[Goran Dragic]

He'll never win a championship as the best player on his team

[DPG21920]

Not if he's a 1A and has a 1B I saidddddddddddddddd

[Goran Dragic]

He'd be the B and the other person would be the A.

He'll never be the best or in a tie for the best player on a championship team.

[Andrew Bynum]

He'd be the B and the other person would be the A.

He'll never be the best or in a tie for the best player on a championship team.

lol being so sure of what a player will be in his rookie year. Chill out.

[Goran Dragic]

He's a point guard, and point guards are never the best player on a championship team. Nothing personal against him.

[DPG21920]

*=^ never in history?

[Goran Dragic]

You know what I meant, lets not get crazy and pull an allanon

[DPG21920]

Just saying....you could be wrong, prob not though

[pass1st]

He's a point guard, and point guards are never the best player on a championship team. Nothing personal against him.


Magic was the clear best in 1987, 22pts, 12assists.

[DMC]

Magic was the clear best in 1987, 22pts, 12assists, 1 HIV.

Or was that later? How would we know?

[pass1st]

Or was that later? How would we know?

That wasn't in my original post :wakeup

[baseline bum]

But it's more impressive that he was putting up those numbers with no immune system.

[lefty]

I like him

Great attitude too

[pass1st]

But it's more impressive that he was putting up those numbers with no immune system.

Pretty sure your immune system is fine if his condition never progressed to AIDS

[Goran Dragic]

Magic was the clear best in 1987, 22pts, 12assists.
If Kyrie was 6'9" and was capable of making a finals winning sky hook over 2 hall of fame 7 footers, that example might be relevant.

[pass1st]

If Kyrie was 6'9" and was capable of making a finals winning sky hook over 2 hall of fame 7 footers, that example might be relevant.

Still a PG

[Goran Dragic]

Still a PG
it's a PG who could play at an all star level at any other position. It's a fluke example and the fact it's your best example proves my point even more.

[pass1st]

it's a PG who could play at an all star level at any other position. It's a fluke example and the fact it's your best example proves my point even more.

Parker?

[Goran Dragic]

Parker?
When was Parker the best player on a championship team (and no, he wasn't the best player on the 2007 Spurs)

[Bill_Brasky]

As much as is want Leonard for ROY, Kyrie is the truth.

[pass1st]

When was Parker the best player on a championship team (and no, he wasn't the best player on the 2007 Spurs)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

Leading scorer, 57 FG%

Seems like the best

[Goran Dragic]

So a 4 game sample size against one of the worst teams in finals history makes Parker the best player on that team over its 102 game season?

Sound logic right there :tu

Who was their leading scorer and rebounder during the regular season and playoffs?

[pass1st]

So a 4 game sample size against one of the worst teams in finals history makes Parker the best player on that team over its 102 game season?

Sound logic right there :tu

Who was their leading scorer and rebounder during the regular season and playoffs?

When does it matter?

[Goran Dragic]

When does it matter?
In the case of the 2007 Spurs, it mattered in the one playoff series against a team that posed any kind of a real threat to them, and that team wasn't the Cavs.

Regardless, if you seriously think Parker was the best player on the 2007 Spurs, Arguing with someone that retarded is pointless.

[baseline bum]

Parker?

Why would you pick Parker over Isiah in this argument?

[pass1st]

In the case of the 2007 Spurs, it mattered in the one playoff series against a team that posed any kind of a real threat to them, and that team wasn't the Cavs.

Regardless, if you seriously think Parker was the best player on the 2007 Spurs, Arguing with someone that retarded is pointless.

:lolhindsight

It matters in the finals, the player that steps up in the finals is the best player on the team.

[pass1st]

Why would you pick Parker over Isiah in this argument?

Beacause he's a punkass bitch. :wakeup

[Goran Dragic]

:lolhindsight

It matters in the finals, the player that steps up in the finals is the best player on the team.
So Cedric Maxwell was the best player on the 1981 Celtics?

[pass1st]

So Cedric Maxwell was the best player on the 1981 Celtics?

:lolpoints

Larry bird
15pts, 15rbds, 7assts

[pass1st]

^+ 2 steals

[Goran Dragic]

:lolpoints

Larry bird
15pts, 15rbds, 7assts
Cedric Maxwell won finals MVP. By that logic he's the best player on the team since he stepped up the most in the finals.

[pass1st]

Cedric Maxwell won finals MVP. By that logic he's the best player on the team since he stepped up the most in the finals.

Quote me where I said finals MVP was important, please.

[Goran Dragic]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2007_finals.html

Leading scorer, 57 FG%

Seems like the best


:lolpoints

Larry bird
15pts, 15rbds, 7assts
:lmao so in one post, you declare Parker being the Spurs leading scorer in the finals makes him the best player on that team (even though Duncan has significantly more rebounds)

Then a few posts later, you :lol at the argument that Maxwell was the best player for being the leading scorer on the team because of the rebounds Bird had.

Your argument isn't changing at all :lmao

[Goran Dragic]

Quote me where I said finals MVP was important, please.
You said leading scorer during finals made Parker the best player on the team.

[Goran Dragic]

The backflips people do when they try to argue about PGs with me are hilarious :lol

[pass1st]

You said leading scorer during finals made Parker the best player on the team.

I also pointed at his efficiency, please go to the stats and compare it to Manu & Duncan. Also note that nobody stepped it up across several boxes like Bird did.

[pass1st]

+ I'm aware Bird was about 40%

But he did lead the team in rebounding, steals and assists

[Goran Dragic]

I also pointed at his efficiency, please go to the stats and compare it to Manu & Duncan. Also note that nobody stepped it up across several boxes like Bird did.
:lol so now it's about "stepping up across several boxes"? That's not a subjective way of judging it at all.

Duncan having 18 PPG, 11 rebounds per game and 2.3 blocks per game isn't stepping up across several boxes? What exactly qualifies as "stepping up over several boxes" in your book?

You went from using the leading scorer in the finals as your argument to loling points. If that's not switching lanes, I'd love to see what is.

[Goran Dragic]

But he did lead the team in rebounding, steals and assists
Duncan led the Spurs in rebounds, assists and blocks during the 2007 finals, while being tied with Finley and Ginobili for the lead in steals.

What's your next argument since that didn't work :lmao

[pass1st]

:lol so now it's about "stepping up across several boxes"? That's not a subjective way of judging it at all.

Duncan having 18 PPG, 11 rebounds per game and 2.3 blocks per game isn't stepping up across several boxes? What exactly qualifies as "stepping up over several boxes" in your book?

You went from using the leading scorer in the finals as your argument to loling points. If that's not switching lanes, I'd love to see what is.

11 rebounds isn't stepping up when that's your average dumbass
:lolnot knowing what "stepping up" is

[Goran Dragic]

11 rebounds isn't stepping up when that's your average dumbass
:lolnot knowing what "stepping up" is
so now you have to do better than your average to be the best player on the team :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[pass1st]

Duncan led the Spurs in rebounds, assists and blocks during the 2007 finals, while being tied with Finley and Ginobili for the lead in steals.

What's your next argument since that didn't work :lmao

.5 leading, go back to Birds stats and see the discrepancy across the scores.

:lolnit-picking
:loldesperate

[pass1st]

so now you have to do better than your average to be the best player on the team :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

:loltaking it out of context

Doing your average isn't stepping up

[Goran Dragic]

.5 leading, go back to Birds stats and see the discrepancy across the scores.

:lolnit-picking
:loldesperate
So since Duncan only led his team in every category other than points just by a teeny tiny bit he's not the best player on his team? :lmao

[pass1st]

So since Duncan only led his team in every category other than points just by a teeny tiny bit he's not the best player on his team? :lmao

He didn't step up in the finals

:lolback-peddling once again

[Goran Dragic]

.5 leading, go back to Birds stats and see the discrepancy across the scores.

:lolnit-picking
:loldesperate
Nit picking would be using a 4 game sample size over a 102 game season to determine the best player on a team.

It would also be arguing semantics about how much you need to lead your team by in certain categories in a manner precise enough so it helps your argument but not the other person's :lol

[pass1st]

Nit picking would be using a 4 game sample size over a 102 game season to determine the best player on a team.

It would also be arguing semantics about how much you need to lead your team by in certain categories in a manner precise enough so it helps your argument but not the other person's :lol

4 game sample in the 4 games that mattered :lol

:lolThinking having 2 more assists is as big a deal as a dozen more

[Goran Dragic]

He didn't step up in the finals

:lolback-peddling once again
How am I backpedaling? When did I ever give a shit about the highly subjective phrase "Stepping up?" That was your retarded argument.

[Goran Dragic]

4 game sample in the 4 games that mattered :lol
So those 4 games mattered more than the other 98 games?

[pass1st]

How am I backpedaling? When did I ever give a shit about the highly subjective phrase "Stepping up?" That was your retarded argument.

You gave up on Duncan not stepping up, go back to leading scoring, then go back and try to say Duncan was stepping up.

Not sure why you're so passionate about a French fuck, parker, proving you wrong. :lol

[Goran Dragic]

You gave up on Duncan not stepping up
Point out where I ever used Duncan "stepping up" as an argument.


go back to leading scoring
The Cedric Maxwell example was used to debunk your stupid argument. I don't actually think Cedric Maxwell was the best player on the 1981 Celtics.


then go back and try to say Duncan was stepping up.
When did I ever say Duncan "stepped up"?


Not sure why you're so passionate about a French fuck, parker, proving you wrong. :lol
:lol thinking Parker has proven me wrong. Just because your very challenged brain views Parker as the best player on the 2007 Spurs doesn't mean nearly all intelligent members of society do.

[pass1st]

So those 4 games mattered more than the other 98 games?

They don't hand out regular season championships :downspin:

[Goran Dragic]

They don't hand out regular season championships :downspin:
Thanks for not answering the question.

[100%duncan]

Very efficient guy. Has high bball IQ, knows when to drive and to settle for a jumpshot. Also good in passing. Cleveland's savior indeed.

[pass1st]

:lol so now it's about "stepping up across several boxes"? That's not a subjective way of judging it at all.

Duncan having 18 PPG, 11 rebounds per game and 2.3 blocks per game isn't stepping up across several boxes? What exactly qualifies as "stepping up over several boxes" in your book?

You went from using the leading scorer in the finals as your argument to loling points. If that's not switching lanes, I'd love to see what is.

Insinuating that this performance is stepping up

Cedric stepped up in scoring, Bird stepped up in rebounding, assisting and stealing. Duncan averaged what he averages.

:lol Why so defensive, going to insults? Throwing out Magic because you know your argument is moot :downspin:

[pass1st]

Thanks for not answering the question.

You're welcome, but I did answer. 98 games are moot if you aren't the best in the last few.

[Goran Dragic]

Insinuating that this performance is stepping up
I never said nor insinuated that. I think your "stepping up" criteria, whatever it is, is a really stupid way of measuring who the best player is.


Cedric stepped up in scoring, Bird stepped up in rebounding, assisting and stealing. Duncan averaged what he averages.
So if you average what you average but still lead your team in almost all categories, while someone with worse averages does average more than he normally does, his performance is better? You randomly brought averages into the picture, I have no idea what you mean by them.


:lol Why so defensive, going to insults? Throwing out Magic because you know your argument is moot :downspin:
My argument is based mainly on the fact PGs are the shortest players on the court. Magic being 6'9" does nothing to disprove the theory that the shortest player on the court more often than not isn't leading his team to a title.