Is Kobe still a top 15 player?..

[HarlemHeat37]

No trolling here, it's a legit question IMO..

I'd still put him in the top 15, but barely..his FG% is down to 42, and his 3-point % is around 27 or 28 after this game:lol..Bynum and Gasol have him dominated in virtually every meaningful advanced stat, too..

He's an average defender, and he's been an average closer this year, IIRC..

Lebron, Durant, Howard, Rose, Paul and Wade are unquestionably better..Dirk and Love are probably better IMO..

Is Kobe better than Bynum, Deron Williams, Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Lamarcus Aldridge, etc?..

[midnightpulp]

Last ten games, not even top 20.

[LkrFan]

Timely troll post. 8/10 tbh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Someone's upset that 3 fell through:lol

If that were LeBron in the same situation he would've passed it to Joel Anthony for a 15-footer:lol

[lefty]

" Thank you Mitch for not trading Gasol "

:cry

[jestersmash]

Hard to say. I'm inclined to put him somewhere in the 15-20 range right now.

Here's question to lakerfans - Would you guys trade Kobe for James Harden straight up? Forget about making the trade work $ wise. Just hypothetically if you could trade Kobe for James Harden straight up (OKC is suddenly burdened with paying Kobe $30M/year, LA gets Harden's contract), would you do it?

I think if we were dealing with rational actors, the answer would undoubtedly be "yes," but the problem is you have delusional Lakerfans like Lkrfan who think the mere idea of Kobe not being a top 15 player has to be a troll post/troll thought. I'd be interested to see what he thinks.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol If that was Lebron, Lakers win by 30..

[LkrFan]

Someone's upset that 3 fell through:lol

If that were LeBron in the same situation he would've passed it to Joel Anthony for a 15-footer:lol

:lmao so true :lmao

:flag:

[jestersmash]

:flag:

A "go spurs go" emoticon? You jumping on the Spurs bandwagon now :lmao

[Black&Silver]

:lol If that was Lebron, Lakers win by 30..

if that was lebron. who takes the last shot? bynum or gasol?

[LkrFan]

A "go spurs go" emoticon? You jumping on the Spurs bandwagon now :lmao

I'm taunting HH. Turn on your sarcasm meter.

[HarlemHeat37]

They wouldn't need a last shot..

If Lebron played for the Lakers, they would rarely play in a close game, tbh..

[LkrFan]

They wouldn't need a last shot..

If Lebron played for the Lakers, they would rarely play in a close game, tbh..

Even in the 4th qtr of any game in the Finals? ... Or are you saying Bynum/Gasol>Wade/Bosh? :downspin:

[midnightpulp]

:lmao so true :lmao

:flag:

If that was Lebron, Lakers don't go down to the wire with such a shit team like New Orleans missing 75% of their starters.

[LkrFan]

If that was Lebron, Lakers don't go down to the wire with such a shit team like New Orleans missing 75% of their starters.

Non-issue

[Black&Silver]

lol you guys aint giving any respect to the man.

i hate kobe as much as the next guy, but for those writing off what he did have never played a single game of basketball.

to struggle throughout the whole game like that and then make the last shot like it was nothing. what was kobe like 0-20 and pulls up for the last shot to win it. He has no conscious.

[DeadlyDynasty]

lol you guys aint giving any respect to the man.

i hate kobe as much as the next guy, but for those writing off what he did have never played a single game of basketball.

to struggle throughout the whole game like that and then make the last shot like it was nothing. what was kobe like 0-20 and pulls up for the last shot to win it. He has no conscious.

+1
Staring down the barrel of his worst shooting performance ever, with the game on the line, he calmly sinks the go-ahead 3-pointer w/o hesitation. Does that sound like a mentally weak individual to you?

:lolDPG

[ChrisRichards]

The way he's playing recently, I wouldn't put him in the Top 15 category.

Not in order

Lebron
Durant
Rose
Wade
Westbrook
Bynum
Kevin Love
Cp3
Deron
Dwight
Blake
tony parker
lamarcus aldridge
duncan
nash


I mean seriously, can anyone here say with confidence, that they'll take Kobe's 38% shooting for the past 20 games over these players?

[midnightpulp]

+1
Staring down the barrel of his worst shooting performance ever, with the game on the line, he calmly sinks the go-ahead 3-pointer w/o hesitation. Does that sound like a mentally weak individual to you?

:lolDPG

No. It sounds like someone who is an idiot.

[LkrFan]

+1
Staring down the barrel of his worst shooting performance ever, with the game on the line, he calmly sinks the go-ahead 3-pointer w/o hesitation. Does that sound like a mentally weak individual to you?

:lolDPG

:lol

[Latarian Milton]

as his FG% goes down he'll take more & more shots to maintain his pts/game above 20, he never cares if the teams wins or loses tbh.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No. He's been horrible for the entire month of March except for the @Dallas game

Bynum is their best player right now. I'm starting to doubt Kobe now.

[Latarian Milton]

if he accepts a smaller role and plays like duncan does wit them spurs, he can still make positive impacts on him but he ain't nowhere close to the "top" anymore now tbh

[ChrisRichards]

No. He's been horrible for the entire month of March except for the @Dallas game

Bynum is their best player right now. I'm starting to doubt Kobe now.

I always like your posts. You don't have a lot of bias. I still don't think Bynum is their best player. His attititude is a bit off if you know what I mean. Given the right role, I think Gasol could be their best player. I watch the Lakers and Pau IMO has been such a great glue guy for that team. I don't blame him for not pounding the ball inside, it seems like Mike Brown has turned Gasol into a Ilgauskas type of player. But Gasol still makes plenty of great play. I like the fact that he always looks out for Bynum in the post.



if he accepts a smaller role and plays like duncan does wit them spurs, he can still make positive impacts on him but he ain't nowhere close to the "top" anymore now tbh
This is correct. Its not like he can't be a Top 10 player but his role as a scorer needs to be diminished. A 23ppg 6 rpg 6apg Kobe is still Top 10 IMO. At this point, ot should be about making his teammates better.


But Durant is only .17ppg away from tying Kobe in the scoring race, thats why you see Kobe trying to hard to secure that average.

[Giuseppe]

I'm starting to doubt Kobe now.

How the fuck can you say that?

[Nathan89]

How the fuck can you say that?

:rolleyes

Because he's not playing even remotely well. And he's not helping the team.

[Giuseppe]

:rolleyes

Because he's not playing even remotely well. And he's not helping the team.

He just hit the tieing and winning shot(s) vs GS the other nite.

And now this afternoon he hit the winning shot.

[midnightpulp]

He just hit the tieing and winning shot(s) vs GS the other nite.

And now this afternoon he hit the winning shot.

And went 3-21.

[Giuseppe]

And went 3-21.

You fucking asshole, you.

[Josepatches_]

The sad thing is that he's playing worse every day..... He will be done coming playoff time but he will take 20+ shots per game

[midnightpulp]

You fucking asshole, you.

Like you don't cite shooting percentages. I remember during a Spurs win you said of Duncan's line, "But that 6-18 really stands out, don't it?"

[Giuseppe]

Like you don't cite shooting percentages. I remember during a Spurs win you said of Duncan's line, "But that 6-18 really stands out, don't it?"

Guilty.

[Giuseppe]

The sad thing is that he's playing worse every day..... He will be done coming playoff time but he will take 20+ shots per game

He just made the winning shot in the two of the last three games.

[DeadlyDynasty]

He just made the winning shot in the two of the last three games.

[midnightpulp]

He just made the winning shot in the two of the last three games.

He also went a combined 12-45 in those two of the last three games.

[Giuseppe]

He also went a combined 12-45 in those two of the last three games.

But, he made the winning shot in two of the last three games.

[midnightpulp]

But, he made the winning shot in two of the last three games.

Doesn't have to make a winning a shot if he shoots a percentage worthy of an NBA player.

Quit reducing the game down to singular moments.

[Giuseppe]

Doesn't have to make a winning a shot if he shoots a percentage worthy of an NBA player.

That's chickenshit.

[midnightpulp]

That's chickenshit.

Why?

Why not cite Bynum and Gasol's superlative performances today? They're the ones who won you the game.

[Giuseppe]

Why?

Why not cite Bynum and Gasol's superlative performances today? They're the ones who won you the game.

Horseshit. Bryant hit the game winner.

[midnightpulp]

Horseshit. Bryant hit the game winner.

But Bynum scored 4 straight points to get the Lakers within 3. If Bynum doesn't do that, Kobe doesn't get to hit a gamewinner.

Kobe also went 3-21.

[Giuseppe]

Kobe doesn't get to hit a gamewinner.

Thank you.

Fuck, it's like pulling teeth sometimes.

[midnightpulp]

Thank you.

Fuck, it's like pulling teeth sometimes.

The end of a game follows a series of events. No event leading up to that conclusion is independent of one another. If Gasol and Bynum don't play they way they do, the Lakers are never in that position to begin with.

[Stalin]

No. He's been horrible for the entire month of March except for the @Dallas game

Bynum is their best player right now. I'm starting to doubt Kobe now.


you know when such a faithfull kobe nutrider starts to doubt, laker implosion is foreal

[Giuseppe]

The end of a game follows a series of events. No event leading up to that conclusion is independent of one another. If Gasol and Bynum don't play they way they do, the Lakers are never in that position to begin with.

Boiled down:::Kobe hit the game winner.

[midnightpulp]

Boiled down:::Kobe hit the game winner.

He also went 3-21.

[Giuseppe]

He also went 3-21.

Bryant hit the game winner.

[irishock]

Kobe at this stage of his career is a 2nd option at best. More of a 17-19 shot per night taker and 23-26 PPG guy. He's not going to last very long carrying this much load.

[ElNono]

you know when such a faithfull kobe nutrider starts to doubt, laker implosion is foreal

co-sign

[Giuseppe]

Kobe at this stage of his career is a 2nd option at best. More of a 17-19 shot per night taker and 23-26 PPG guy. He's not going to last very long carrying this much load.

He's hit the game winner in 2 of the last 3 games.

[lefty]

No trolling here, it's a legit question IMO..

I'd still put him in the top 15, but barely..his FG% is down to 42, and his 3-point % is around 27 or 28 after this game:lol..Bynum and Gasol have him dominated in virtually every meaningful advanced stat, too..

He's an average defender, and he's been an average closer this year, IIRC..

Lebron, Durant, Howard, Rose, Paul and Wade are unquestionably better..Dirk and Love are probably better IMO..

Is Kobe better than Bynum, Deron Williams, Blake Griffin, Russell Westbrook, Lamarcus Aldridge, etc?..
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[endrity]

Someone's upset that 3 fell through:lol

If that were LeBron in the same situation he would've passed it to Joel Anthony for a 15-footer:lol

that's true son, but on the other hand he probably doesn't go 2/20 to begin the game either

[Bill_Brasky]

Someone's upset that 3 fell through:lol

If that were LeBron in the same situation he would've passed it to Joel Anthony for a 15-footer:lol

Just like Kobe has been deferring to the likes of Fisher, Artest, Horry for the gamewinner his whole career :lol

[LkrFan]

Just like Kobe has been deferring to the likes of Fisher, Artest, Horry for the gamewinner his whole career :lol

Not today. Bron OTOH... :downspin:

[dunkman]

Could be . . . that 0-15 record ought to count for something.

[Giuseppe]

Could be . . . that 0-15 record ought to count for something.

It did, right up to that 3 pointer. After that:::you didn't have to go home, but, you had to get the Hell outta here.

[wanggi]

He's been a sports legend already.
Is kobe a top 15 player making any different?

[nowhereman523]

Borderline t-15. Heavy minutes maybe taking their toll. Outside t-20 for the last month, but was b/w 10-15 for the first couple of months this year.