V.P. Wannabe Chris Christie attacks the poor

[Nbadan]

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Is this really the way conservatives are going to win back independents?



NEW YORK — Gov. Chris Christie said the country is becoming a "paternalistic entitlement society" this morning in a speech at a conservative conference headed by former President George W. Bush.

Addressing Bush and other national Republicans, Christie said he hasn't seen a less optimistic period in the country in his lifetime.

"Government's telling them stop dreaming, stop striving, we'll take care of you," he said at a theater at the New York Historical Society. "We're turning into a paternalistic entitlement society. That will not just bankrupt us financially, it will bankrupt us morally."

"We'll have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting for their next government check," Christie said.

Read more: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/gov_christie_nation_is_becomin.html

[Wild Cobra]

And his words are a problem, why?

[ElNono]

This from the guy that had to be driven 100 feet and airlifted to go watch his kid's baseball game using taxpayer money, and bickered for a week until he refunded the state.

[Wild Cobra]

This from the guy that had to be driven 100 feet and airlifted to go watch his kid's baseball game using taxpayer money, and bickered for a week until he refunded the state.
Yes, I vaguely remember that.

1) nonsequator.

2) wasn't there a good reason for it?

If you remember the thread, I'll read it and the links again.

I see the point Christie making as valid. We have too many users of tax dollars and not enough tax contributors.

[ElNono]

Yes, I vaguely remember that.

Him being a hypocrite is nothing new.


I see the point Christie making as valid. We have too many users of tax dollars and not enough tax contributors.

I disagree both that that's what he's saying and that his point is valid.

[boutons_deux]

The wealthy Wall St porker singing St Ronnie's Welfare Queens in Cadillacs slander.

He also got exposed as lying and trashed recently for cancelling a tunnel under the Hudson. aka, the VRWC's War on Infrastructure.

[Yonivore]

I disagree both that that's what he's saying and that his point is valid.
The $15.6 Trillion national debt disagrees both that that's not what he's saying and that his point is invalid.

That we are spending more than we are collecting in revenue, is indisputable.

Now, where are spending?

Close to 60% of our tax revenues go to programs where the recipients either paid nothing into the program from which they are receiving funds (Welfare, Unemployment Compensation and Health Care) or paid a small percentage of the amount they are receiving back (Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare).

Almost half of all tax filers, in America, pay zero taxes and, some, receive refunds and/or credits that exceed the amounts withheld from any paychecks received over the year. Hell, some refunds rival the amount of income received.

I think Christie has a valid point. There are people who no longer seek to produce income for themselves but, would rather "sit on the couch and wait for the government check to arrive." And, the number of people willing to do that has increased during the Obama administration.

[ElNono]

The $15.6 Trillion national debt disagrees both that that's not what he's saying and that his point is invalid.

Disagree.


That we are spending more than we are collecting in revenue, is indisputable.

Now, where are spending?

Close to 60% of our tax revenues go to programs where the recipients either paid nothing into the program from which they are receiving funds (Welfare, Unemployment Compensation and Health Care) or paid a small percentage of the amount they are receiving back (Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare).

And who wrote, promoted and passed those unsustainable programs: Hypocrite politicians like him. Who kept adding unsustainable programs like those: Hypocrite politicians like him.

Reality check: 91.7% of Americans that can work, do work. And it would be higher if there would be more work opportunities out there. We know. Unemployment has always veered around 5%. There isn't a laziness problem.


Almost half of all tax filers, in America, pay zero taxes and, some, receive refunds and/or credits that exceed the amounts withheld from any paychecks received over the year. Hell, some refunds rival the amount of income received.

An indicator that half of all tax filers, in America, don't make enough to cover the current tax thresholds. Politicians like him can change those thresholds, or work towards better income distribution. Or both.

But they're too hypocrite, like him, to do anything about it, fearing the political repercussions.


I think Christie has a valid point. There are people who no longer seek to produce income for themselves but, would rather "sit on the couch and wait for the government check to arrive." And, the number of people willing to do that has increased during the Obama administration.

Realities: You can't start cashing SS unless you retire or are disabled. You can't qualify for Medicare until you're 60+ or you're disabled. You can only qualify for Medicaid if you don't make enough.

That we have more old people than we did 10 years ago isn't news. The fact that chickenshit politicians like him on both sides haven't had the balls to address any and all these problems isn't news either.

[DarrinS]

Government's telling them stop dreaming, stop striving, we'll take care of you," he said at a theater at the New York Historical Society. "We're turning into a paternalistic entitlement society. That will not just bankrupt us financially, it will bankrupt us morally."

"We'll have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting for their next government check," Christie said.



This is attacking the poor?


Ever heard of "Give a Man a Fish, Feed Him For a Day. Teach a Man to Fish, Feed Him For a Lifetime"?

[ChumpDumper]

We'll have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting to be airlifted to high school baseball games.

[cantthinkofanything]

We'll have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting to be airlifted to high school baseball games.

So you don't have a relevant response on the issue. Got it.

[DarrinS]

We'll have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting to be airlifted to high school baseball games.


How does Obama get to sporting events and the golf course?

[clambake]

lol darrin the hypocrite defending christie the hypocrite.

[DarrinS]

But, lol @ Mr. Creosote


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[ChumpDumper]

So you don't have a relevant response on the issue. Got it.What's the actual issue? People are already waiting for checks. They will until more employers hire. If there was really more government could have done about that, it would have already been done.


How does Obama get to sporting events and the golf course?I don't remember his landing next to the playing field of a children's game and disrupting it.

Do you?

[clambake]

I don't remember his landing next to the playing field of a children's game and disrupting it.

Do you?

iirc he landed near the field..........and was met by a limo lol

[ChumpDumper]

iirc he landed near the field..........and was met by a limo lolIt's a fair bet Obama would have walked that last bit; but it was close enough to disrupt the game regardless.

Pretty shameless showboating. I guess excuses have to be made for it by team red.

[clambake]

christie couldn't survive that walk.

[cantthinkofanything]

What's the actual issue? People are already waiting for checks. They will until more employers hire. If there was really more government could have done about that, it would have already been done.


No real disagreement with that. I just don't see how Christie's comments (regardless of anything he's said or done) are an attack on the poor.

[Yonivore]

This is attacking the poor?
Sounds to me like he's attacking the lazy, entitlement class.

When you add up all the freebies doled out to many of these people, it adds up to a pretty nice income.

[ChumpDumper]

No real disagreement with that. I just don't see how Christie's comments (regardless of anything he's said or done) are an attack on the poor.Just boilerplate Republicanspeak.

Makes people like Yoni feel good about being class warriors.

[boutons_deux]

VRWC War on Infrastruture:

Gov. Christie Vastly Exaggerated Costs To Justify Scuttling Important Infrastructure Project

The report by the Government Accountability Office, to be released this week, found that while Mr. Christie said that state transportation officials had revised cost estimates for the tunnel to at least $11 billion and potentially more than $14 billion, the range of estimates had in fact remained unchanged in the two years before he announced in 2010 that he was shutting down the project. And state transportation officials, the report says, had said the cost would be no more than $10 billion.

Mr. Christie also misstated New Jersey’s share of the costs: he said the state would pay 70 percent of the project; the report found that New Jersey was paying 14.4 percent. And while the governor said that an agreement with the federal government would require the state to pay all cost overruns, the report found that there was no final agreement, and that the federal government had made several offers to share those costs.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/10/461356/christie-exaggerated-tunnel-cost/

[ElNono]

There's not a single mention of "attacking the poor" in the article or it's title. That's on Dan being Dan...

That said, there's also no validity in who he's pointer his fingers at, nor any evidence that "Government's telling them stop dreaming, stop striving, we'll take care of you," or that "We'll have a bunch of people sitting on a couch waiting for their next government check,".

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sounds to me like he's attacking the lazy, entitlement class.

When you add up all the freebies doled out to many of these people, it adds up to a pretty nice income.

So are people bundling services to receive a 'pretty nice income' from the govt? No offense but it seems like you are making something up.....again

[Wild Cobra]

This is attacking the poor?


Ever heard of "Give a Man a Fish, Feed Him For a Day. Teach a Man to Fish, Feed Him For a Lifetime"?
Bad example to give to a liberal. They have this tendency to despise biblical quotes.

[clambake]

Bad example to give to a liberal. They have this tendency to despise biblical quotes.

i guess it escaped your attention that this thread is about christie the hypocrite.

[boutons_deux]

"Government's telling them stop dreaming, stop striving, we'll take care of you,"

Does the fatass Wall St greasebag have a link? Of course not.



"Teach a Man to Fish"

Repugs/VWRC are slashing school budgets, reducing Pell grants, and proposing to double interest rate on student loans.

[Wild Cobra]

i guess it escaped your attention that this thread is about christie the hypocrite.
Have you ever considered to grow up, and stop being an internet bully? Being a bully is so juvenile.

Intelligent people see right through you. You have low self esteem and have to knock others down good to feel good about yourself.

Fucking pathetic.

[clambake]

hmmmmmm.....you take a thread about christie and insert the bible.

did that escape your attention?

[Wild Cobra]

hmmmmmm.....you take a thread about christie and insert the bible.

did that escape your attention?
You illustrate my point. Dismissing good wisdom just because of the source. The message in that simple passage was lost to you, wasn't it? Why does it matter where words of wisdom come from?

[clambake]

You illustrate my point. Dismissing good wisdom just because of the source. The message in that simple passage was lost to you, wasn't it? Why does it matter where words of wisdom come from?

why not talk about christie?

or start another thread about stupid cliches?

[ChumpDumper]

What if there aren't any fish?

[ElNono]

Christie's Israel trip cost taxpayers nearly $40,000 (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/christies_israel_trip_cost_tax.html)

[Spurs da champs]

Christie's Israel trip cost taxpayers nearly $40,000 (http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/christies_israel_trip_cost_tax.html)

Hypocrisy at it's best, nothing new from the Conservative movement.

[ElNono]

Ha! If it only would be reserved to conservatives... they're all the same.