Shocker: Homophobes May Be Hidden Homosexuals

[RandomGuy]

Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.

The prejudice of homophobia may also stem from authoritarian parents, particularly those with homophobic views as well, the researchers added.

"This study shows that if you are feeling that kind of visceral reaction to an out-group, ask yourself, 'Why?'" co-author Richard Ryan, a professor of psychology at the University of Rochester, said in a statement. "Those intense emotions should serve as a call to self-reflection."

The research, published in the April 2012 issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, reveals the nuances of prejudices like homophobia, which can ultimately have dire consequences.

....

"Sometimes people are threatened by gays and lesbians because they are fearing their own impulses, in a sense they 'doth protest too much,'" Ryan told LiveScience. "In addition, it appears that sometimes those who would oppress others have been oppressed themselves, and we can have some compassion for them too, they may be unaccepting of others because they cannot be accepting of themselves."

Ryan cautioned, however, that this link is only one source of anti-gay sentiments.


Rest of the article here.
http://www.livescience.com/19563-homophobia-hidden-homosexuals.html

This ought to be an interesting thread.

I must say that the first thing that popped into my mind was Santorum's sweater vests... :lol

[cantthinkofanything]

"Shocker"...chuckle

[TeyshaBlue]

Rest of the article here.
http://www.livescience.com/19563-homophobia-hidden-homosexuals.html

This ought to be an interesting thread.

I must say that the first thing that popped into my mind was Santorum's sweater vests... :lol

http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/images/music/releases/45s/times_when_angry/img877.jpg

[RandomGuy]

http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/images/music/releases/45s/times_when_angry/img877.jpg

My second thought:

Wide stance.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wide%20Stance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal

[DarrinS]

Did it have anything to say about homophobophobes?

[Blake]

Did it have anything to say about homophobophobes?

Were you looking for it to say they may be hidden heterosexuals?

Militant homophobes can be scary, imo.

[TeyshaBlue]

hobophobes?

[DarrinS]

Coulrophobes secretly want to be clowns.

[LnGrrrR]

This is purely anecdotal, but I had a good friend who would often say negative things about gay people (even imagined things like, "Ugh was that woman checking me out?" when there wasn't any flirtation)... and she came out a few years after I knew her. Again, purely anecdotal.

[Spur_Fanatic]

Kinda bullshit. I mean of course it could happen. Seems more of that "You don't like gay people? Then you are a homophobe! Which means you are gay. If you don't want to be gay, support the gay movement!" science of a few months ago (in fact, I think I read it on this forum too).

And the people like me that are ok with normal gay people, but hate transvetites?

[RandomGuy]

Kinda bullshit. I mean of course it could happen. Seems more of that "You don't like gay people? Then you are a homophobe! Which means you are gay. If you don't want to be gay, support the gay movement!" science of a few months ago (in fact, I think I read it on this forum too).

And the people like me that are ok with normal gay people, but hate transvetites?

If one studies these attitudes from a scientific standpoint, and finds this rather distinct tendency, it is what it is.

If you think it is bullshit, then get out and do some actual scientific study that shows it is.

[spursncowboys]

I think you need to define homophobia. This is ridiculous though.

In a college class, There was a study about boys who were molested, in large percentages, do one of two things: become gay or become very anti-gay. I don't think there is any way to scientifically analyze homosexual community. Although I doubt you were looking for a real conversation anyways.

Good luck with your nonsense

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Coulrophobes secretly want to be clowns.

Are you a homophobe Darrin?

Oh and there is a difference between children being afraid of clowns and growing up with said fear because of the experience and just being afraid of gays with no direct experience with homosexuals. I suppose if you were molested as a child that would be different but fear typically develops through experience and it bears to reason that having those feelings yourself could create the phobia.

[jack sommerset]

The old you don't like homosexuals you must be one arguments. It's a classic. I think there is much older saying. God bless.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

[CuckingFunt]

Shellfish!!

[spursncowboys]

The way I see it as long as there is no eye contact, then it isn't gay.

[Spurminator]

While I'm sure that there are some homophobes in the world whose extreme anti-gay bias covers for feelings they may be trying to suppress, I think this applies to such a negligible percentage of homophobes that the claim actually does a disservice to the equality movement. I find the argument pretty childish, to be honest.

I don't see what so hard to believe about the idea that because people are raised by their parents/religion/friends to believe that homosexuality is an abomination, this causes them to be uncomfortable or even hateful towards gays. A lot of it also comes from the fear so many parents have that their kids are somehow more likely to be gay if they are exposed to gay lifestyles during their development.

[CuckingFunt]

Remember a study I read in a sexual diversity class I took a few years ago on this topic. I can't remember all of the details, and I lack either the motivation or the energy to look through all of my old class readings to find it, but it had to do with the reaction of straight identified men to gay male pornography.

I don't think that any of the people who participated in the study were super hard core angry homophobes, but they started by having all of the men fill out a lengthy questionnaire and each man's answers were analyzed and they were placed along a scale ranging from tolerance to acceptance to homophobic. The men were then hooked up to sensors that measure changes in penile circumference and shown pornography. I can't remember the order they showed the scenes, or if all groups got the same order, but each group was shown one scene of straight porn, one scene of lesbian porn, and one scene of gay male porn. In most cases, the guys who ranked higher on the homophobia scale were more likely to get erections during the gay porn. Sometimes larger and longer lasting than they had for the straight and lesbian porn.

I don't, personally, think that study necessarily indicates that all homophobes are queer, but it was interesting nonetheless.

[jack sommerset]

I don't like horror movies or do I. God bless

[Stringer_Bell]

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

Did one of them puncture the colon? That happens when boys do that to girls too, ya know.

[CuckingFunt]

While I'm sure that there are some homophobes in the world whose extreme anti-gay bias covers for feelings they may be trying to suppress, I think this applies to such a negligible percentage of homophobes that the claim actually does a disservice to the equality movement. I find the argument pretty childish, to be honest.

I don't see what so hard to believe about the idea that because people are raised by their parents/religion/friends to believe that homosexuality is an abomination, this causes them to be uncomfortable or even hateful towards gays. A lot of it also comes from the fear so many parents have that their kids are somehow more likely to be gay if they are exposed to gay lifestyles during their development.

In general I agree with this, and especially the first bit, but it's hard for me to ignore how often the most aggressive homophobic attitudes are usually from men and are usually only about male homosexuality. I'm less inclined to believe it to be a religious or moral opposition to homosexuality in general when homophobic guys are still into watching hot women go down on each other.

But, yes, the immediate jump to the suggestion that homophobes are closet cases is a lazy one.

[PublicOption]

its like the old saying goes......"you doth protest too much"

guilty because you harp about it too much.

I see homosexuality as a big support group of people who have been sexually molested and are trying there best to get through life. As long as they don't harbor any pedophilic feeilings I have no problem with how they cope with their personal demons...skeletons.

[Jacob1983]

Can we get some clarity on the issue of the meaning of the word homophobia? Doesn't it mean the "fear" of homosexuals? Why do people equate fear with hate? I've never known any human beings that were genuinely scared of homosexuals. I've known people that hated or disliked homosexuals.
People that are scared of flying don't hate airplanes or freak out when they see a plane in the sky. Just an example.

[ChumpDumper]

The old you don't like homosexuals you must be one arguments. It's a classic. I think there is much older saying. God bless.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."Are you saying homosexuals should be killed?

[possessed]

Who isn't afraid of homos? They have AIDS!

[mouse]

The fact that
"RandomLie" actually took time to do research and make this topic?


speaks volumes for many quotes to come.

[Wild Cobra]

My second thought:

Wide stance.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wide%20Stance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal
Boston Legal in season one, episode seven (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0530529/plotsummary), has Denny Crane being arrested for solicitation just because he took a wide stance and tapped his toe in a stall. Of course they did this episode because of the Larry Craig incident.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Can we get some clarity on the issue of the meaning of the word homophobia? Doesn't it mean the "fear" of homosexuals? Why do people equate fear with hate? I've never known any human beings that were genuinely scared of homosexuals. I've known people that hated or disliked homosexuals.
People that are scared of flying don't hate airplanes or freak out when they see a plane in the sky. Just an example.

Hatred is almost exclusively a fear based reaction.

[RandomGuy]

I think you need to define homophobia. This is ridiculous though.

In a college class, There was a study about boys who were molested, in large percentages, do one of two things: become gay or become very anti-gay. I don't think there is any way to scientifically analyze homosexual community. Although I doubt you were looking for a real conversation anyways.

Good luck with your nonsense

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=219&pictureid=1639

In a thread about people who "doth protest too much" you accuse someone of not "looking for a real conversation anyways".


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193090&page=7

:lol

If one wants to "define homophobia" there are plenty of places that supply definitions.

The study itself provides guidelines of how they measured attitudes and so forth.

Feel free to read the study, and provide whatever feedback about the strengths and weaknesses of the methodology and conclusions you want to.

Since you seem to be the sort that doesn't read things unless he already agrees with them, and that leads to really weak critical thinking skills, no one will be surprised when you fail to do that, and just keep dismissing it out of hand, for no logical reason whatsoever.

[boutons_deux]

Hartmann confronts anti-gay leader: Do closeted gays run your movement?

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In a Russia Today segment broadcast Thursday, progressive satellite radio host Thom Hartmann confronted Family Research Institute chairman Dr. Paul Cameron and asked him an unusually pointed question: “Does it concern you that many of your colleagues in the anti-gay movement may actually be closeted gays?”

“Um, no,” Cameron replied. “Very few of them are homosexually interested. First of all, um… Most people are not interested in homosexuality. There’s not at all. A few homosexuals like to say — and they’ve been saying this now for at least the last seven years — almost everybody is bisexual, maybe some homosexual…”

“I’ve never heard anybody say that,” Hartmann replied.

Cameron went on to claim that biologist Alfred Kinsey, whose groundbreaking research pioneered the study of human sexuality, “was gay” and “pushed that idea,” making his scientific findings somehow less valid. “Most of the homosexual leadership… have pushed that idea,” he added. “But it’s not true!”

Cameron didn’t provide any source or research to support his claim, so interested viewers may just have to take his word for it.

what Hartmann keyed into.

“Who’s going to sit around all day long and think, ‘Oh my God, there’s gays out there! There’s gays out there! We can’t let them get married!’ And just, you know, commit their lives to stopping gay [marriage],” Hartmann said. “I don’t think about it that much. It seems to me that if somebody’s really obsessed with it, maybe we should wonder.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/04/13/hartmann-confronts-anti-gay-leader-do-closeted-gays-run-your-movement/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheRawStory+%28The+Raw+Story% 29&utm_content=Google+Reader