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ICE3000
06-21-2005, 08:12 PM
I Already Feel Scared The Spurs Shouldve Had Sombody Better To Sing I Just Dont Feel The Energy Jumpin From The Screen Like It Should Be!

Experiment2100
06-21-2005, 08:24 PM
At least they sang the national anthem.

CommanderMcBragg
06-21-2005, 08:42 PM
The National Anthem never sucks ass.

But the performer might.

travis2
06-22-2005, 07:59 AM
I Already Feel Scared The Spurs Shouldve Had Sombody Better To Sing I Just Dont Feel The Energy Jumpin From The Screen Like It Should Be!

The National Anthem is NOT THERE for you to be energized to. :rolleyes

SpursWoman
06-22-2005, 08:01 AM
WTF?


Sorry the Beasty Boys or whatever weren't there to entertain you. :fro

ObiwanGinobili
06-22-2005, 08:01 AM
i thought they did a good job.

Slomo
06-22-2005, 08:11 AM
On the topic of the national anthem...

I noticed that the singer in Detroit game 5 did not sing the national anthem but America the Beautiful (not sure if this is the correct title). What's up with that? I thought there's only one USA anthem? Isn't the national anthem an obligatory part of the pre-game ceremony?

Guru of Nothing
06-22-2005, 08:12 AM
It was alright, if you are into Broadway musical sounds.

ObiwanGinobili
06-22-2005, 08:15 AM
On the topic of the national anthem...

I noticed that the singer in Detroit game 5 did not sing the national anthem but America the Beautiful (not sure if this is the correct title). What's up with that? I thought there's only one USA anthem? Isn't the national anthem an obligatory part of the pre-game ceremony?

you know i was saying the same thing.
since when is it kosher to forgo the national anthem in favor of some other song??
In my view, if they were gonna skip the real national anthem, they should've had kid rock sing "america, fuck yeah!'.. .that song is more his style.

ObiwanGinobili
06-22-2005, 08:16 AM
Artist: Trey Parker Lyrics
Song: America, Fuck Yeah Lyrics

America...
America...
America, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah,
America, FUCK YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
America, FUCK YEAH!
So lick my butt, and suck on my balls,
America, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow

FUCK YEAH!

McDonalds, FUCK YEAH!
Wal-Mart, FUCK YEAH!
The Gap, FUCK YEAH!
Baseball, FUCK YEAH!
NFL, FUCK, YEAH!
Rock and roll, FUCK YEAH!
The Internet, FUCK YEAH!
Slavery, FUCK YEAH!

FUCK YEAH!

Starbucks, FUCK YEAH!
Disney world, FUCK YEAH!
Porno, FUCK YEAH!
Valium, FUCK YEAH!
Reeboks, FUCK YEAH!
Fake Tits, FUCK YEAH!
Sushi, FUCK YEAH!
Taco Bell, FUCK YEAH!
Rodeos, FUCK YEAH!
Bed bath and beyond (Fuck yeah, Fuck yeah)

Liberty, FUCK YEAH!
White Slips, FUCK YEAH!
The Alamo, FUCK YEAH!
Band-aids, FUCK YEAH!
Las Vegas, FUCK YEAH!
Christmas, FUCK YEAH!
Immigrants, FUCK YEAH!
Popeye, FUCK YEAH!
Demarcates, FUCK YEAH!
Republicans (republicans)
(fuck yeah, fuck yeah)
Sportsmanship
Books

samikeyp
06-22-2005, 08:17 AM
yes, heaven forbid we have some of our military folks, in a city with a heavy military influence, be allowed to sing the national anthem. :rolleyes

baseline bum
06-22-2005, 08:28 AM
America the Beautiful is a lot easier song for a no-talent piece of crap like Kid Rock to sing. He would have embarrased himself 10x worse on the Star Spangled Banner.

Momma_monkey
06-22-2005, 08:43 AM
The National Anthem never sucks ass.

But the performer might.

Whatever people. You should have more respect for these people whose volunteer to protect your ass. Go to show you that San Antonio has some class and dignity to sing the National Anthem with CLASS. Did you see 50 standing at attention. You people suck. I'm embarassed on this comment

ObiwanGinobili
06-22-2005, 08:55 AM
Whatever people. You should have more respect for these people whose volunteer to protect your ass. Go to show you that San Antonio has some class and dignity to sing the National Anthem with CLASS. Did you see 50 standing at attention. You people suck. I'm embarassed on this comment


and did you notice that not everyone in here thoguht it was a bad performance?

desflood
06-22-2005, 08:55 AM
America the Beautiful is a lot easier song for a no-talent piece of crap like Kid Rock to sing. He would have embarrased himself 10x worse on the Star Spangled Banner.
You beat me to it :)

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2005, 09:01 AM
I thought the National Anthem was classy, well done, and totally appropriate. total class act after Kiddy Rocks bullshit.

If you need every single thing in the pregame show to be over the top to get "excited" about the game then you need to quit watching basketball and switch to WWF wrestling.

Shelly
06-22-2005, 09:07 AM
Actually, I thought that was the best performance yet. I like harmonies.

Slomo
06-22-2005, 09:08 AM
America the Beautiful is a lot easier song for a no-talent piece of crap like Kid Rock to sing. He would have embarrased himself 10x worse on the Star Spangled Banner.
While you are right, I still do not understand. Can you substitute those two songs at will? If not why could they?

NZHayden
06-22-2005, 09:18 AM
any nations national anthem sounds a whole lot better when the whole crowd gets in on the act and sings along with the performer, when going to high school football games in oklahoma ( i lived there nine months while on foreign exchange ) i noticed that only the performer sang the anthem, in new zealand it is totally normal for the crowd to get in and sing the nations national anthem,
what do americans do?

desflood
06-22-2005, 09:21 AM
While you are right, I still do not understand. Can you substitute those two songs at will? If not why could they?
There is only one National Anthem, but if you're rich and talentless enough, they will let you get away with singing "America the Beautiful". It's not the same thing though, no. They should have found someone who could sing the National Anthem and done it the right way instead of going for the big name entertainer.

ObiwanGinobili
06-22-2005, 09:22 AM
our national anthem is freakin HARD to sing.
Even for trained pros. the notes are all over the place on that sucker.
A crowd singing along would be enough to make the whole country go deaf.

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2005, 09:27 AM
our national anthem is freakin HARD to sing.
Even for trained pros. the notes are all over the place on that sucker.
A crowd singing along would be enough to make the whole country go deaf.

I was just about to say the same thing. From a practical standpoint FS Keys "Star Spangled Banner" was an awful choice by Congress to be the national anthem...it spans four octaves and is a real stretch for even professionally trained vocalists...and is routinely butchered by so called "professional" entertainers...

SWC Bonfire
06-22-2005, 09:27 AM
While you are right, I still do not understand. Can you substitute those two songs at will? If not why could they?

:lol It's not a law or something...

The tradition of singing a patriotic song at assemblies and sporting events started in WWI, and kept going after the war. The national anthem gets sung 95% of the time, but America the Beautiful gets sung once in a while, and I've even heard the Battlehymn of the Republic Once, but not in Texas. :lol

And a lot of people do sing along to the national anthem. And if you're a Texas Aggie, you get to sing along to Texas, Our Texas! at our games (we have our own NATIONAL anthem in Texas:tu).

ObiwanGinobili
06-22-2005, 09:28 AM
I was just about to say the same thing. From a practical standpoint FS Keys "Star Spangled Banner" was an awful choice by Congress to be the national anthem...it spans four octaves and is a real stretch for even professionally trained vocalists...and is routinely butchered by so called "professional" entertainers...


EXACTLY!

but the story behind it is pretty sweet , and thats why i think they chose it.

Summers
06-22-2005, 09:29 AM
While you are right, I still do not understand. Can you substitute those two songs at will? If not why could they?

Actually, this confused me as well. The Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem, but several years ago, Ray Charles started petitioning to have it changed to America the Beautiful. He likes to sing it before games, but if memory serves correctly, even when he sings America the Beautiful, the national anthem is still performed by someone else. I have no idea why we didn't get a proper performance Sunday night, except that, as already noted, Kid Rock can't sing and the national anthem is difficult to sing (big range and big jumps).

On a side note, I'm a singer and one of my pet peeves is when people cheat and make the first syllable in "banner" (toward the end)two steps. Yeah, it's a big slide/jump, but if you've had any vocal training at all, you should be able to do it. Grr! :lol


in new zealand it is totally normal for the crowd to get in and sing the nations national anthem,

I think at smaller events like high school games, the crowd sings along, but when you're at a big-time thing and the performer is someone famous, usually the crowd wants to hear the singer.

Summers
06-22-2005, 09:33 AM
Texas, Our Texas!

*flashes back to grade school... tears up* :lol

Texas, our Texas,
All hail the mighty state
Texas, our Texas,
So wonderful, so great!
Boldest and grandest
Withstanding every test...

*hums rest because I can't remember lyrics*

And people call us boastful! :lol

travis2
06-22-2005, 09:35 AM
I was just about to say the same thing. From a practical standpoint FS Keys "Star Spangled Banner" was an awful choice by Congress to be the national anthem...it spans four octaves and is a real stretch for even professionally trained vocalists...and is routinely butchered by so called "professional" entertainers...

Oh, it is not four octaves. :lol There isn't a singer on the planet who can span 4 octaves. Three octaves is considered a kick-ass range...two and a half is good even for professionals.

The "Star Spangled Banner" is an octave and a half. Still very difficult.

SWC Bonfire
06-22-2005, 09:39 AM
*flashes back to grade school... tears up* :lol

Texas, our Texas,
All hail the mighty state
Texas, our Texas,
So wonderful, so great!
Boldest and grandest
Withstanding every test...

*hums rest because I can't remember lyrics*

And people call us boastful! :lol

Oh, empire wide and glorious,
You stand supremely blessed!

God Bless You, Texas!
And keep you brave and strong.
That you may grow in power & worth,
Throughout the ages long.

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2005, 09:49 AM
Oh, it is not four octaves. :lol There isn't a singer on the planet who can span 4 octaves. Three octaves is considered a kick-ass range...two and a half is good even for professionals.

The "Star Spangled Banner" is an octave and a half. Still very difficult.

I realize you are probably more of an expert on it than I am but it's got to be more than an octave and a half from "say" to "free"...

HULKAROCK
06-22-2005, 09:58 AM
Ya'll Ready For This?? Let's get up to speed people. The rest of America stopped playing that gay song a long time ago, let alone to announce it's players. SBC needs a revamp. It's a snore compared to Detroit. The announcer sounds like someone's Algebra teacher.
Kidd Rocks performance was cool. Get over it..

Jekka
06-22-2005, 09:58 AM
EXACTLY!

but the story behind it is pretty sweet , and thats why i think they chose it.

Isn't it a traditional drinking song?

Jekka
06-22-2005, 10:00 AM
Oh, it is not four octaves. :lol There isn't a singer on the planet who can span 4 octaves.

Julie Andrews pre-surgery and Mariah Carey.

samikeyp
06-22-2005, 10:01 AM
Ya'll Ready For This?? Let's get up to speed people. The rest of America stopped playing that gay song a long time ago, let alone to announce it's players. SBC needs a revamp. It's a snore compared to Detroit. The announcer sounds like someone's Algebra teacher.

I don't get the whole "our announcer is better than your announcer" and "your announcer is a stuttering fool" thing. Who cares? Does it really matter? I say this to both sides.

I did think Kid Rock did a nice job though.

travis2
06-22-2005, 10:03 AM
I realize you are probably more of an expert on it than I am but it's got to be more than an octave and a half from "say" to "free"...

Plink it out on a keyboard, CC...

An octave and a half is a long range. It doesn't sound like much, but it's harder than it sounds.

"Say" to "see" is an octave. "Rockets" is a third above "see", and "red glare" is another third.

travis2
06-22-2005, 10:04 AM
Julie Andrews pre-surgery and Mariah Carey.

You sure they can do four? I don't mean four notes each an octave apart, I mean four full octaves. (Four notes each an octave apart is only three octaves)

Shelly
06-22-2005, 10:04 AM
Julie Andrews pre-surgery and Mariah Carey.

I think Kate Bush also

CosmicCowboy
06-22-2005, 10:06 AM
Isn't it a traditional drinking song?

Yeah...it was an English drinking song from the 1780's..."To Anacreon in Heaven"

ObiwanGinobili
06-22-2005, 10:08 AM
Isn't it a traditional drinking song?

:lol
no.
the story is he had been captured adn was stcuk inside the english fort all night. the next mornign he wrote the song about how he still held out hope casuie above all the bombs and bullets going off he could still see the flagg flying over tyhe battel field.

travis2
06-22-2005, 10:13 AM
:lol
no.
the story is he had been captured adn was stcuk inside the english fort all night. the next mornign he wrote the song about how he still held out hope casuie above all the bombs and bullets going off he could still see the flagg flying over tyhe battel field.

actually it is a traditional drinking song. Francis Scott Key wrote a poem entitled "The Star Spangled Banner", which is the story you related. The words were applied to the older tune much later.

That's not an uncommon occurence...

Jekka
06-22-2005, 10:14 AM
:lol
no.
the story is he had been captured adn was stcuk inside the english fort all night. the next mornign he wrote the song about how he still held out hope casuie above all the bombs and bullets going off he could still see the flagg flying over tyhe battel field.

No, that's the lyrics - FSK didn't write the melody for his poem, which is what you're talking about - long after the fact they used his poem and put it to a traditional melody and so the music is actually a traditional drinking song. Which also explains the range.


I think Kate Bush also
Man, how did I forget her as well?



You sure they can do four? I don't mean four notes each an octave apart, I mean four full octaves. (Four notes each an octave apart is only three octaves)

I know what an octave is, I've got nine years of piano lessons under my belt. And Julie Andrews and Mariah Carey are both accredited as having 5 octave ranges.

pache100
06-22-2005, 10:15 AM
No, he was not in the fort; he was still on his ship under British guard (I learned in elementary school that he wrote the words on a ship, didn't you?)

Francis Scott Key (1779 - 1843)

"Then, in that hour of deliverance, my heart spoke. Does not such a country, and such defenders of their country, deserve a song?..."

Francis Scott Key, son of an established Maryland family, was born on August 1, 1779, in western Maryland (Frederick, MD) on the family estate of "Terra Rubra." He attended grammar school and later graduated from St. Johns College in Annapolis at age 17.

By 1805, Key had established a law practice in Georgetown, Maryland, and, by 1814, had appeared many times before the U.S. Supreme Court. The site of his house on M Street is now a memorial park.

Key was a religious man and was involved in the Episcopal church. Although opposed to the war, he served for a brief period in the Georgetown Light Field Artillery (1813-14). During the Battle of Bladensburg, Key assigned field positions to American troops - a duty he had no expertise in!

In August 1814, Key's friend Dr. William Beanes was taken prisoner by the British army soon after its departure from Washington. Key left for Baltimore to obtain the services of Colonel John Skinner, the government's prisoner of war exchange agent. Together they sailed down the bay on a truce ship and met the British fleet. Key successfully negotiated the doctor's release, but was detained with Skinner and Beanes by the British until after the attack on Baltimore.

Key's vessel (name unknown) was 8 miles below the fort during the bombardment, under the watchful care of a British warship. It was from this site that he witnessed the British attack on Fort McHenry, after which he was inspired to write the words to "The Star-Spangled Banner."

After the war, Key served as a United States District Attorney and continued his association with the Episcopal church, writing several hymns. On January 11, 1843, he died of pleurisy while visiting his sister in Baltimore. Today he rests in Mount Olivet Cemetery in Frederick, Maryland. The flag he so honored flies day and night here, and at Fort McHenry, as a reminder of those events in September 1814 that gave birth to our anthem and pride in our nation. (Note: There are also local monuments to Key at Fort McHenry, on Eutaw Place in Baltimore, and at the Presidio in San Francisco, California.)

Key was the brother-in-law of Roger Brooke Taney who served as Chief Justice and administered the oath of office to Lincoln in 1861.

http://www.bcpl.net/~etowner/anthem.html

SWC Bonfire
06-22-2005, 10:17 AM
Yeah...it was an English drinking song from the 1780's..."To Anacreon in Heaven"

If it wasn't enough to induce drinking in Britain in 1780, it was after they lost the war of 1812 & got their asses handed to them @ New Orleans. :lol

travis2
06-22-2005, 10:18 AM
No, I know what an octave is, I've got nine years of piano lessons under my belt. And Julie Andrews and Mariah Carey are both accredited as having 5 octave ranges.


No offense was intended, Jekka...I've got 8 myself. :)

Here's an interesting discussion concerning vocal ranges. It doesn't completely answer the question, but it does provide some interesting points.

(Oh...and you know what an octave is...but that doesn't mean that someone else does...as the below link points out. :) )

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/720

mattyc
06-22-2005, 10:28 AM
I just wish National Anthems were sung as simple as possible. I hate it when they try and jazz or slow our anthem here in oz.

SWC Bonfire
06-22-2005, 10:31 AM
I just wish National Anthems were sung as simple as possible. I hate it when they try and jazz or slow our anthem here in oz.

I hear ya, buddy. The Aggie Band plays it millitary-style at A&M events and it takes like 30 seconds.

combs84
06-22-2005, 10:36 AM
I don't get the whole "our announcer is better than your announcer" and "your announcer is a stuttering fool" thing. Who cares? Does it really matter? I say this to both sides.

I did think Kid Rock did a nice job though.

It does to me. I go to about 20-25 games a year and if I had to sit through that Spurs snoozefest, I would lose it. Its prob worse in the regular season is it not? Pre-game introductions is part of the show and part of the entertainment here. People wanna get there on time to see Mason and everybody else do their thing.

While its not basketball, its certainly an added bonus to the game. Even watching that stuff at home gets me pumped up.

Shelly
06-22-2005, 10:39 AM
I just wish National Anthems were sung as simple as possible. I hate it when they try and jazz or slow our anthem here in oz.


The worst was the hip-hop violinist. Terrible.

alamo50
06-22-2005, 12:07 PM
I Already Feel Scared The Spurs Shouldve Had Sombody Better To Sing I Just Dont Feel The Energy Jumpin From The Screen Like It Should Be!


Have some damn respect.

The energy you get from the player's introductions, not from the national anthem.
And if you don't get energized from that you ain't a true Spurs fan.

samikeyp
06-22-2005, 12:42 PM
It does to me. I go to about 20-25 games a year and if I had to sit through that Spurs snoozefest, I would lose it. Its prob worse in the regular season is it not? Pre-game introductions is part of the show and part of the entertainment here. People wanna get there on time to see Mason and everybody else do their thing.

While its not basketball, its certainly an added bonus to the game. Even watching that stuff at home gets me pumped up.

No its pretty much the same. The guy is a celeb in Detroit and if they like him and that's what you want, that's cool. For me, I am just all about the game and the game itself gets me pumped up. But that is a personal thing I guess. A lot of Spurs fans don't like Stan Kelly either.