General 2013 Free Agency Discussion

[Baam]

With Splitter's weak POs it feels likely they will make a move this summer, be it let him walk, a sign and trade or sign him at a reasonable price and absorb salary to move up in the draft or something.

[Mr Bones]

The two free agents I really like for the Spurs are both probably affordable and not among the big names being thrown around: Brandan Wright and Mike Dunleavy. The Spurs could very conceivably resign Splitter & Manu, and still get both of these guys. Signing Dunleavy would be reminiscent of the Brent Barry pick up from a few years ago. He's a very good career 3 point shooter who won't be very expensive, won't expect to start, and is versatile. Wright is a diamond in the rough who, after a few years of injury issues, emerged this year with very good shot blocking numbers, an incredibly high Player Efficiency Rating, and impressive +/- numbers for a mediocre Mavericks team. He's still only 25 years old. I think both of these guys would provide perfect depth for the Spurs next year without disturbing the obviously successful starting line up of Parker/Green/Leonard/Splitter/Duncan.

[Atl Spur]

Danny's old college teammate?

[DrunkTXLabrat]

i've noticed brandon wright put up some nice fantasy nights for a couple seasons. i like him, he reminds me of gooden, frye, randolph type. cheap young journeyman bigs that coulda given timmy some help.

that said, i don't think the spurs need a true big this summer. i think a rotation of timmy, splitter, baynes and bonner/ stretch 4 big is good enough. especially if guys like aminu, adetokunbo, southerland, carmichael, leslie, davies, etc... are being looked at as blair replacements.

if they do go with a big, i'd like to see a rookie like gobert or mbakwe. kawhi leonard has made me a believer in dudes with monster wingspans and hands.

[Mal]

Spurs need wing scoring option, who can creat his own shots. I would give Tyrekee Evans long fat deal, but I would gladly take Danny Granger of Indiana`s payment list.

[ace3g]

Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
(http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA)C.J. Watson will opt out of the final year of his contract. His camp has informed the Brooklyn Nets. He'll be an unrestricted free agent.

[exstatic]

Spurs need wing scoring option, who can creat his own shots. I would give Tyrekee Evans long fat deal, but I would gladly take Danny Granger of Indiana`s payment list.

They're going to want more than salary relief.

[jyra]

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Danny Green is the surprise of the finals averaging a Spurs’ best 18 points and being an NBA record holder with 25 three pointers. A former teammate of his would like to follow his footsteps. Deon Thompson won the NCAA championship in 2009 as the captain of North Carolina and after an excellent European career in Ikaros Kallitheas, in Olimpija Ljubljana and in Alba Berlin is ready to make the next step.

Thompson is in San Antonio and from Monday he will take part in Spurs’ mini camp, trying to showcase his talent. The experienced big man, has progressed every year in Europe and undoubtedly has the talent to play in the NBA…




I like this guy a lot. I have seen him play quite a bit considering that the plays for my hometown team Alba.

Standing at 6-8/6-9 with a 7-2 wingspan and a strong built, he should be able to hold his own physically against most bigs. He is certainly not the flashiest player on offense but works the pick and roll really well. He sets solid screens, finishes strong around the basket and is capable of stepping out and hitting that pick and pop jumper pretty consistently. His ability to create his own shot is rather limited though. He likes shooting turn around jumpers from the mid post but you don't really dump the ball into him down low and expect him go to work unless he has a mismatch.
A big part of his game is rebounding. He just works hard crashing the boards especially on offense, often resulting in some putback dunks.
His defense is solid too. He won't reject many shots but his mobility on the pick and roll is decent and his strength keeps him from getting backed down easiliy in the post.

I'm not really sure that he belongs in the NBA considering that he is somewhat undersized and not really an explosive athlete. He does have skills that fit with the Spurs' offense but then again right now I have a hard time seeing him take any minutes away from the bigs currently in the rotation (or even a guy like Baynes). The only way for Thompson to even realistically get a chance is if the Spurs don't bring back Bonner+Blair, don't pick any bigs (unless stashed) in the draft and he really impresses at that free agent camp/summer league.
I do think this guy could become a solid rotation player. I would compare him to someone like the older version of Elton Brand with a bit more hops but less shot blocking if that makes sense.

[Jimmy Cobaine]

First time poster long time spurs fan (Born in '94) I was wondering if you guys think that the spurs can compete next season.

[pad300]

The two free agents I really like for the Spurs are both probably affordable and not among the big names being thrown around: Brandan Wright and Mike Dunleavy. The Spurs could very conceivably resign Splitter & Manu, and still get both of these guys. Signing Dunleavy would be reminiscent of the Brent Barry pick up from a few years ago. He's a very good career 3 point shooter who won't be very expensive, won't expect to start, and is versatile. Wright is a diamond in the rough who, after a few years of injury issues, emerged this year with very good shot blocking numbers, an incredibly high Player Efficiency Rating, and impressive +/- numbers for a mediocre Mavericks team. He's still only 25 years old. I think both of these guys would provide perfect depth for the Spurs next year without disturbing the obviously successful starting line up of Parker/Green/Leonard/Splitter/Duncan.


Brandan Wright is really kind of interesting: he appears to be developing a jumpshot. Consider the following from 82games.com (and basketball-reference)

In 2012/13, 53% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.560 (0 for 3 on 3pters)
In 2011/12, 45% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.495 (0 for 1 on 3pters)
In 2010/11 (with GSW), 48% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.467 (0 for 0 on 3pters) and
In 2010/11 (with NJN) 46% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.280 (0 for 0 on 3pters)
In 2009/10 DID NOT PLAY IN THE NBA
In 2008/09 41% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.343 (0 for 4 on 3pters)
In 2007/08 42% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.404 (0 for 0 on 3pters)

His rebounding is kind of poor (TRB% with Dallas 12.6% and 12.4%). He does keep his TO% down (7.1% and 7.2% in his two years in Dallas). For comparison however, this year Boris, Bonner, and Blair posted TRB% of 8.6, 8.2 and 15.8, and TO% of 18.6, 6.3, 14.0 respectively...

[Mr Bones]

Brandan Wright is really kind of interesting: he appears to be developing a jumpshot. Consider the following from 82games.com (and basketball-reference)

In 2012/13, 53% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.560 (0 for 3 on 3pters)
In 2011/12, 45% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.495 (0 for 1 on 3pters)
In 2010/11 (with GSW), 48% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.467 (0 for 0 on 3pters) and
In 2010/11 (with NJN) 46% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.280 (0 for 0 on 3pters)
In 2009/10 DID NOT PLAY IN THE NBA
In 2008/09 41% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.343 (0 for 4 on 3pters)
In 2007/08 42% of his shots were jumpshots, with an EFG% of 0.404 (0 for 0 on 3pters)

His rebounding is kind of poor (TRB% with Dallas 12.6% and 12.4%). He does keep his TO% down (7.1% and 7.2% in his two years in Dallas). For comparison however, this year Boris, Bonner, and Blair posted TRB% of 8.6, 8.2 and 15.8, and TO% of 18.6, 6.3, 14.0 respectively...

Nice.

The other stat that stands out for me is block/foul ratio. Wright's was one of the best in the league: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/blocks/sort/blockFoulRatio/seasontype/2/qualified/false

A tandem of Duncan and Wright would not represent the most athletic shot-blocking duo in the NBA, but it would be the most disciplined. And we all know what a fan of non-fouling defense Pop is.

[td4mvp2k]

The Rockets have told agents for Francisco Garcia, Carlos Delfino and Aaron Brooks that they will not pick up contract options this month.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2013/06/rockets-look-to-spend-big-in-free-agency/

[CGD]

Wonder what delfino or Garcia have in the tank

[Mr Bones]

For what it's worth, here's my list of favorite and plausible free agent targets. I'm only including players that I think the Spurs have a realistic chance of getting. Iguodala, David West, Tyreke Evans, and Kirilenko would be great additions but are just not likely.

1. Brandan Wright C/PF
Efficient scorer and shot blocker, long and lanky defender. I think he'd be a perfect complement to Splitter. Splitter would play against the bigger, more traditional centers and Wright would play against faster small ball line ups. Duncan And Wright side by side would be the most efficient and disciplined shot blocking tandem in the league. Would probably demand at least the MLE.

2. Mike Dunleavy SG/SF
Reminds me of Brent Barry. Very good 3 pt shooter, high BBIQ... not a great defender, but has good size and length for his position(s). Most importantly, would not be expensive. He accepted 3.7 mil/year in Milwaukee and would most likely accept the same or less from the Spurs.

3. Shaun Livingston PG/SG
Low turnover PG with good floor vision. Doesn't do anything spectacular, but doesn't make many mistakes either. Good passer, plays defense, not much of an outside shooter. With Manu clearly in decline, I think the Spurs need a reliable ball handler to back up Parker. Again, won't be very expensive.

4. Al Farouq Aminu SG/SF/PF
Incredible rebounder, and his FG% has increased in each of his first 3 years. Young and athletic. I don't understand why New Orleans let him become an unrestricted free agent. Aminu, Leonard, and Duncan on the floor together would be one of the best rebounding trios in the league. At the right price, he'd be a great addition to pair with Leonard and Green for the next few years.

[exstatic]

For what it's worth, here's my list of favorite and plausible free agent targets. I'm only including players that I think the Spurs have a realistic chance of getting. Iguodala, David West, Tyreke Evans, and Kirilenko would be great additions but are just not likely.

1. Brandan Wright C/PF
Efficient scorer and shot blocker, long and lanky defender. I think he'd be a perfect complement to Splitter. Splitter would play against the bigger, more traditional centers and Wright would play against faster small ball line ups. Duncan And Wright side by side would be the most efficient and disciplined shot blocking tandem in the league. Would probably demand at least the MLE.

2. Mike Dunleavy SG/SF
Reminds me of Brent Barry. Very good 3 pt shooter, high BBIQ... not a great defender, but has good size and length for his position(s). Most importantly, would not be expensive. He accepted 3.7 mil/year in Milwaukee and would most likely accept the same or less from the Spurs.

3. Shaun Livingston PG/SG
Low turnover PG with good floor vision. Doesn't do anything spectacular, but doesn't make many mistakes either. Good passer, plays defense, not much of an outside shooter. With Manu clearly in decline, I think the Spurs need a reliable ball handler to back up Parker. Again, won't be very expensive.

4. Al Farouq Aminu SG/SF/PF
Incredible rebounder, and his FG% has increased in each of his first 3 years. Young and athletic. I don't understand why New Orleans let him become an unrestricted free agent. Aminu, Leonard, and Duncan on the floor together would be one of the best rebounding trios in the league. At the right price, he'd be a great addition to pair with Leonard and Green for the next few years.

I like 1,3, & 4. Dunleavy would drag us back to defensive mediocrity. He literally wouldn't be able to play in the playoffs. Why pay for that?

[objective]

fwiw, if I remember right the hosts of the N.O. podcast for the espn truehoop network don't think highly of Aminu at all and were happy his option wasn't picked. And they are pretty sharp guys in all honesty. I could be wrong, but that's my hazy memory.

[exstatic]

fwiw, if I remember right the hosts of the N.O. podcast for the espn truehoop network don't think highly of Aminu at all and were happy his option wasn't picked. And they are pretty sharp guys in all honesty. I could be wrong, but that's my hazy memory.

Was that at the beginning or the end of the season, because he definitely made strides after his option wasn't picked up.

[objective]

They loved his rebounding, but I've been listening to their podcast all year and they always made it seem like he didn't have any other skills and didn't have the IQ to add them.

Just the impression I have from them.

They also hate Vasquez, and see him as a big time fake-stat fraud. Unrelated, but one of the other things I remember noting due to how sharp they seemed and the attention they paid to their team.

[Mr Bones]

I like 1,3, & 4. Dunleavy would drag us back to defensive mediocrity. He literally wouldn't be able to play in the playoffs. Why pay for that?

As a bench player, I think he could be inserted in situations where his defense wouldn't be as much of an issue. I definitely don't think 20 well placed minutes of a 6'9" shooter would make the Spurs a mediocre defensive team. Think of it this way: he's an upgrade over Gary Neal, who also has defensive issues. Dunleavy's a better passer, rebounder, and ball-handler than Neal. Dunleavy's +/- numbers have been very good for the past 4 seasons on two different teams.... I don't think that's based on chance or lucky situations... But most importantly, I think he's the best wing player available dollar-for-dollar. I just don't see another guy out there who could be a difference maker and play for ~$3 mil salary.

[Mal]

But most importantly, I think he's the best wing player available dollar-for-dollar. I just don't see another guy out there who could be a difference maker and play for ~$3 mil salary.

I wouldnt count away Delfino. Rockets declined his 3mln option. He should be available with same amount.

I think the most important piece is to find ballhandler with scoring ability. Jarret Jack, Mo Williams come to my mind.

Of course scoring big men is necessary. Dont know which way Pop would want to good. Mobile 4 like Millsap, Josh Smith, even Aminu or 2nd big like Splitter, Big Al. Good cheap backup for Duncan is Dalembert. Little more expensive - Okafor(ETO), Kaman or even freakin Greg Oden. Core of this team is very cheap and with a lot cap space, Spurs could easilly reload eyeing OKC and Heat as main threats.

[Richie]

I've been saying all year that I think we need a big man to help extend Timmys career. However, with the way Manu played, another ball handler might be whats needed.

I think we have to make a play for Paul Pierce if he gets waived.

There are so many avenues we can take at this point, we have a lot of flexibility.

[sjacquemotte]

Howard,
J. Smith
Jefferson
Bynum
Milsap
West
Pekovic
Kaman
Blatche

Since the Spurs cannot buy themselves a championship, did this Finals show FA that we can still compete for a ring, or do you they think that this was our last chance (what seems like has been the idea for a decade)? There seems like alot of role playing big men in FA and we should be able to get one. Or is small ball going to be the new norm?

[Seventyniner]

I think things could get very interesting. Could San Antonio be viewed as a coat-tailer's place to get a ring? Pierce would be amazing here in a smallball lineup with Leonard, Duncan, Parker, and shooting guard X.

[Atl Spur]

Aminu will be a spur next year I'm thinking.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Any discussion should start with eliminating players who have been hurt more than healthy the last three years. That means crossing Dunleavy off the list.

Jack would be a great target, that guy's a baller.

[Mr Bones]

I definitely see Delfino and Francisco Garcia as back up plans. I agree that the Spurs need more ballhandlers.... Ginobili has become too inconsistent to run the offense for extended minutes and Green, even though he's a starting off guard, is a complete liability when he handles for ball. Contrast that situation with SGs like DWade, Harden, Iguodala, Tyreke Evans, etc... Parker needs help, but I don't think it has to be all-star level help. I like Jarrett Jack too, but I think he's about to get a major payday from somebody.

[Mr Bones]

Any discussion should start with eliminating players who have been hurt more than healthy the last three years. That means crossing Dunleavy off the list.

Jack would be a great target, that guy's a baller.

Dunleavy played 75 games this season. Parker played in 66, Manu in 60. What injuries did he have last season?

[yavozerb]

Dunleavy played 75 games this season. Parker played in 66, Manu in 60. What injuries did he have last season?
12-13 = 75 games played
11-12 = 55 games
10-11= 61 games
09-10= 67 games
08-09= 18 games

Dunleavy has not been healthy for quite sometime. Guy is now 32-33 and not getting any healthier. Pass

[Mr Bones]

Kawhi Leonard played in 58 games this season... should the Spurs dump him too? Sorry, I don't think your argument makes sense.

[terzappi]

Are there any real chance to sign Dwight Howard?

[CGD]

^ Nah, he'll use the Spurs as leverage only. I think he stays a Laker or gets traded to the Clips for Griffen/Bedsoe (which would be an awesome trade for the Lakers).

[yavozerb]

Kawhi Leonard played in 58 games this season... should the Spurs dump him too? Sorry, I don't think your argument makes sense.

:lol, not even an arguement, its a fact..Keep up the good fight though if you want..

[SpursDynasty21]

J.J. Redick might be a good player to sign.

[superjames1992]

J.J. Redick might be a good player to sign.
I'd prefer Kyle Korver, tbh, but Redick would be fine, too.

[Mr Bones]

:lol, not even an arguement, its a fact..Keep up the good fight though if you want..

Games played last season:

Kawhi: 58
Manu: 60
Tony: 66
Duncan: 69
Dunleavy: 75

It's fine if you don't like Dunleavy, but your reason makes no sense. Dunleavy was more durable last year than 3 of the Spurs' 5 starters and their sixth man.

[raybies]

Our top targets imo would be Jarret jack and David west.

In this scenario we replace Neal for Jack and west for splitter.

Wouldn't have to go small ball but could.

[CGD]

Our top targets imo would be Jarret jack and David west.

In this scenario we replace Neal for Jack and west for splitter.

Wouldn't have to go small ball but could.

Jack reeks of a player that will get a big contract and then stink it up.

[Knoxxx]

^ Nah, he'll use the Spurs as leverage only. I think he stays a Laker or gets traded to the Clips for Griffen/Bedsoe (which would be an awesome trade for the Lakers).

Huh? He's a max contract player that can go to any team that has the space. What does he need leverage for?

[CGD]

CP3

[ace3g]

Needs:

Ball handler

Can attack the basket

Good rebounder

[look_at_g_shred]

Needs:

Ball handler

Can attack the basket

Good rebounder
Boom!

[Spursfanfromafar]

As Bruno & others pointed out, if Paul Millsap is available he would be a great purchase as a backup/starting PF replacing Bonner.

I would also like the Spurs to go after Martell Webster or Mike Dunleavy. The latter was the Bucks' only bright spot in their playoff series against the Heat, while the former had kinda breakthrough season with the Wizards shooting a lot of threes and playing decent defense. Webster is a useful swingman, while Dunleavy can handle the ball and play a little Point Forward.

[DesignatedT]

I still like Francisco Garcia at the backup 3. He defended Durant well in the first round and can hit the open 3.

I agree the Spurs need another ball handler though. I'm just not sold on Cory or Nando behind Tony and Manu is good for 40 games next year.

[ace3g]

Spurs need at least 2 true SFs on the roster.

[sexinthatsx]

Man... imagine if Celtics amnestied Paul Pierce and he came to the Spurs for 6-8 mil a year... that would be a sight to see

[Andthentherewas21]

Man... imagine if Celtics amnestied Paul Pierce and he came to the Spurs for 6-8 mil a year... that would be a sight to see

Don't need the amnesty. He has a $5 million buyout before 7/1 on his $15 million dollar contract. If the Celtics blow it up, which they've made every attempt to do so far this off-season, then he could be had. Bigger issue would be could he accept a back-up role for the Spurs (Green wouldn't be as effective off the bench, Kawhi has shown hes a starter, ect).

[sexinthatsx]

Don't need the amnesty. He has a $5 million buyout before 7/1 on his $15 million dollar contract. If the Celtics blow it up, which they've made every attempt to do so far this off-season, then he could be had. Bigger issue would be could he accept a back-up role for the Spurs (Green wouldn't be as effective off the bench, Kawhi has shown hes a starter, ect).

Spurs have A LOT of options cap space wise, the ball is in their court to make a move.

[Big P]

Renounce everyone and sign Josh Smith.

[DesignatedT]

NBA.COM Free Agency Tracker : http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2013/?cid=nba_12_facebook_L

[Baam]

Here's a full scenario :

let Splitter walk

Marion doesn't pick his option, becomes a FA and we sign him to a 2 years ~20M deal

trade Bonner for a pick

draft Jean Charles as backup SF

draft Ledo as backup PG

you get :

Tim Baynes
Marion Diaw
Kawhi Jean-Charles
Green Manu
TP Ledo

Boris is at his best when he's surrounded by 2 great rebounders, Manu gets a more talented sidekick who can really shoot. You still have flexibility in the post Duncan era since you don't sign a complementary player like Splitter to a long deal which would be a mistake imo.

An alternative would be to keep Bonner who is fine as a 5th big and instead sign someone like Aminu as backup SF.

[jesterbobman]

If you're up for signing Marion, you go all the way and offer to take him on in FA and get the 13th pick(pre-arranged deal). Have to be confident that you can sign Manu and Splitter for a combined figure small enough to do that.

Splitter/Baynes
TD/Diaw
Kawhi/Marion
Green/Manu
TP/Cojo

With 13th, 28th, Nando, Patty thrown in for good measure. I don't know if the Mavs actually want to trade Marion before FA, but it's an option, and if you can get the 13th pick for your troubles you do it. Adding Adams/Snell or similar gives you even more of a youth core moving forwards.

[ace3g]

Bruno can you make a thread for Trevor Ariza, thanks

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Needs:

Ball handler

Can attack the basket

Good rebounder

Tyreke Evans knocks out the first two. I'm willing to gamble and play Baynes for the rebounding questions.

[CGD]

If you're up for signing Marion, you go all the way and offer to take him on in FA and get the 13th pick(pre-arranged deal). Have to be confident that you can sign Manu and Splitter for a combined figure small enough to do that.

Splitter/Baynes
TD/Diaw
Kawhi/Marion
Green/Manu
TP/Cojo

With 13th, 28th, Nando, Patty thrown in for good measure. I don't know if the Mavs actually want to trade Marion before FA, but it's an option, and if you can get the 13th pick for your troubles you do it. Adding Adams/Snell or similar gives you even more of a youth core moving forwards.

Good post. I'd gladly take Marion off Dallas's hand if the spurs could get the 13 in order to grab Adams or Gobert. Spurs could send back Bonner, recently opted-in Mills and the 28th for Marion and the 13th. Spurs would need to only absorb about 4.5m-5m of Marion's salary by my count. Dallas would save that plus half of Bonner's deal.

Only problem I see is that Marion would need to opt-in to his deal before the draft, no?

[DAF86]

Don't like Marion, I would like someone younger and that can hit the 3.

[MaNu4Tres]

If Splitter is due to make 8-9 million, I rather Spurs ante up 2-3 more million and go after Al Jefferson. Even if his defense is mediocre, you can rely on him in big moments/big games. You can't say the same about Splitter.

[DesignatedT]

If Splitter is due to make 8-9 million, I rather Spurs ante up 2-3 more million and go after Al Jefferson. Even if his defense is mediocre, you can rely on him in big moments/big games. You can't say the same about Splitter.

Exactly.

[HankChinaski]

It seems like the spurs will bring back the core players in the rotation to me. Manu, and Tiago. The question marks really come up when you think about Gary Neal and what to do with Bonner. After that you are evaluating what they do with players already on contracts past this upcoming season like Nando, Joseph, and possibly Mills. Makes you wish you were a fly on the wall on the exit interviews for the season and what expectations or recommendations they have for the 2nd unit members of the spurs in terms of improvements.

[HankChinaski]

I mean people are wanting to change the first unit with trades and new players this off season when the spurs were literally just a couple of missed buckets in the final game of the season from being champions and a previous game where a miraculous shot took away their other opportunity. I don't see much changing

[spursince#99]

I mean people are wanting to change the first unit with trades and new players this off season when the spurs were literally just a couple of missed buckets in the final game of the season from being champions and a previous game where a miraculous shot took away their other opportunity. I don't see much changing


yeah I agree. I only see changes for the second unit.

[CGD]

I mean people are wanting to change the first unit with trades and new players this off season when the spurs were literally just a couple of missed buckets in the final game of the season from being champions and a previous game where a miraculous shot took away their other opportunity. I don't see much changing

Sure but that was with Splitter earning 4M. Would you pay him Tim Duncan money for that performance in the finals? If so, is it worth tying down cap space once the big three become just TP?

[HankChinaski]

I seriously doubt anyone is giving him Duncan like salary. 7-8 million is his ceiling for a contract. If he asks for more the spurs will let him test the waters. Realistically I see him between 4.5 to 8 mil a year from the spurs

[DPG21920]

I really, really hope Manu takes a small contract (4M or less). Not that it should be expected, but it would just open up so many opportunities in theory. If he does that (4M) Spurs could have pretty easily 15.5M to find a Tiago replacement (if he walks) + another FA (so maybe 8M for Tiago replacement, then 7.5 for someone else). Of you get Tiago (assuming he makes about 8M), then 7.5 for someone else.

[spursince#99]

Do you guys assume Tiago isn't loyal? Just because he's offered 6-8 million doesn't mean he jumps on it. We DID establish him, and he DOES fit in with the culture, therefore he might just accept less to stay and compete for a championship. Also he is 28, which means he isn't getting a long term deal regardless of where he lands.

[BackHome]

I think Tiago stays cause he has his friends Manu, Oberto, so I don't see him going to another city. The only other place I could see him going would be back to Spain but still thinks he stays.

[ezau]

If Splitter is due to make 8-9 million, I rather Spurs ante up 2-3 more million and go after Al Jefferson. Even if his defense is mediocre, you can rely on him in big moments/big games. You can't say the same about Splitter.

True. Al Jeff's post offense is excellent, although some teams can actually kill us on PnR because of him and Duncan in the lineup at the same time.

[Holden_Caulfield]

where is greg oden these days?

[DPG21920]

If Splitter is due to make 8-9 million, I rather Spurs ante up 2-3 more million and go after Al Jefferson. Even if his defense is mediocre, you can rely on him in big moments/big games. You can't say the same about Splitter.

I'd rather David West instead of Al in thinking about it, but both seem unlikely.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd rather David West instead of Al in thinking about it, but both seem unlikely.

It's frightening to think about giving 8 mil per year to a player whose confidence shrivels when competition is at its best.

Give me David West, Milsap or Jefferson, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Well, Al Jefferson doesn't do much better there IMO.

[MaNu4Tres]

I disagree. He's carried teams in competitive/big games on his back for several years -- he just hasn't had much help. The guy can compete. His defense may not be the best (although it may be overly criticized to a degree), I still rather have him over Splitter.

[MaNu4Tres]

In addition, Tim may hang it up after this upcoming season. With that being said, I would much rather have Al Jefferson for 3 more years in the front-court instead of Splitter post Duncan era.

[angelbelow]

I hated on TJ Ford until it was brought to my attention that TJ's never had a great coach. Perhaps Al Jefferson is in a similar boat. He's obviously talented and has one of the better post games in the league.. but has he ever had a high level coach to guide him? He's always been on losing and volatile teams so I doubt it.

[spursfan4ever]

It's frightening to think about giving 8 mil per year to a player whose confidence shrivels when competition is at its best.

Give me David West, Milsap or Jefferson, tbh.

I agree! I suggested David West in another thread and pretty much got shot down because one poster in here stated he was over 30 with chronic back problems. I disagreed but didn't respond. David West would be a great pickup if splitter walks or is offered an outrages offer. LA from Portland would also be a decent pickup if we can somehow make a deal with them.

[lmbebo]

dont think David West leaves Indiana and don't think Indiana will allow him to leave (i.e. they really want him back)

[Chinook]

All eyes are on Bonner now. If the Spurs are serious about going under the cap, they may try to extend his deadline so they can amnesty him. They might also trade him, as they have until the 30th to move his contract. Thomas Robinson is still extremely likely to be moved, so the Spurs should still be able to get him if they want to. You think Bonner and a 2015 pick might be enough, seeing how the Rockets have struck out on getting him so far.

[CGD]

All eyes are on Bonner now. If the Spurs are serious about going under the cap, they may try to extend his deadline so they can amnesty him. They might also trade him, as they have until the 30th to move his contract. Thomas Robinson is still extremely likely to be moved, so the Spurs should still be able to get him if they want to. You think Bonner and a 2015 pick might be enough, seeing how the Rockets have struck out on getting him so far.

Last night showed TR wasn't able to fetch the 19, 20, or 28th pick in this weak draft. I'm not sure the Spurs should offer any future first rounders. Maybe two 2nd rounders? I think Houston wants someone to take another contract as well to free up more space. Royce?

[look_at_g_shred]

So teams can talk to Free Agents but can't make any proposed trades until the 1st of July. Is that correct?

[Texas_Ranger]

Free agency negotiation starts on July 1, 2013, with players being able to sign starting July 10.

[BatManu20]

If Splitter is due to make 8-9 million, I rather Spurs ante up 2-3 more million and go after Al Jefferson. Even if his defense is mediocre, you can rely on him in big moments/big games. You can't say the same about Splitter.

Splitter is not worth $8-9 million. That would be a horrible contract. But R.C. said he wants both Manu and Splitter back and will hard hard to ensure that happens, which means we're probably going to overpay for both of them unfortunately.

[BatManu20]

The issue with Al Jefferson is that he doesn't fit our system, which emphasizes PnR and ball movement. He's the exact opposite. He's a ball stopper on offense, who needs his touches in post or a wide open jump shot to be effective. Defensively, he needs to be an anchor that hangs around the basket. His slow foot-speed makes him terrible at defending the PnR. Remember when the Spurs played Utah in the 1st round of the playoffs last year? We attacked him every game, just constantly running the PnR against him with wither Timmy or Tiago, and we carved up their defense.

[BatManu20]

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[vander]

The issue with Al Jefferson is that he doesn't fit our system, which emphasizes PnR and ball movement. He's the exact opposite. He's a ball stopper on offense, who needs his touches in post or a wide open jump shot to be effective. Defensively, he needs to be an anchor that hangs around the basket. His slow foot-speed makes him terrible at defending the PnR. Remember when the Spurs played Utah in the 1st round of the playoffs last year? We attacked him every game, just constantly running the PnR against him with wither Timmy or Tiago, and we carved up their defense.

offense was too reliant on P&R anyways, Manu can't create anymore, TP and TD's ability to create will only diminish going forward. Spurs will desperately need someone in the post who can get off a decent shot by himself when the offense isn't working

[look_at_g_shred]

offense was too reliant on P&R anyways, Manu can't create anymore, TP and TD's ability to create will only diminish going forward. Spurs will desperately need someone in the post who can get off a decent shot by himself when the offense isn't working

Yup!

[yavozerb]

Top 50 free agents this summer:
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2013/06/29/mighty-mokes-top-50-nba-free-agents/

[Anonymous Cowherd]

they got Tyreke at 9. lol Teague ahead of Jennings and Millsap. Manu at 21. Neal at 37, one place ahead of Aminu.

[lmbebo]

Chris Duhon waived (crickets chirping)

[DesignatedT]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 6m
Boston has waived guard Terrence Williams, team says.
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[ace3g]

Unless other trades occur: I'd be happy with signing AK47, Anthony Morrow, and Joe Ingles (not including FA currently on our roster that could/should stay). Basically replacements for any combination of Blair, Neal, and Bonner.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8972/52th.png

[Captivus]

Pacers have agreed to rescind Tyler Hansbrough's qualifying offer, I'm told, which immediately makes him unrestricted free agent.

Mmm...
Do we need a thread for this guy?

[DesignatedT]

Pacers have agreed to rescind Tyler Hansbrough's qualifying offer, I'm told, which immediately makes him unrestricted free agent.

Mmm...
Do we need a thread for this guy?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210876

[Captivus]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=210876

Thx! I just cant find this threads...I must be an idiot. I googled it (which usually works for me) and nothing...

[DesignatedT]

Thx! I just cant find this threads...I must be an idiot. I googled it (which usually works for me) and nothing...

Use the index threads on the front page of the think tank.

[Knoxxx]

If the Spurs don't use any cap space (e.g.- eat up all their cap space using their Bird Rights on Splitter, Manu, and Gary Neal), then they would be able to use the MLE.

Can someone please confirm/deny this? I thought we were only going to have the smaller exception this offseason.

[Russo21]

ESPNSteinLine (http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=ESPNSteinLine) Marc Stein
Another team I was advised to keep eye on in Korver chase: San Antonio. Nets restricted to paying just under $10 million over three seasons

[Mel_13]

From Feb 26:


It's fun to think about more expensive free agents, but if the Spurs bring back Splitter and Manu we're probably looking at the MLE as the largest salary slot that the Spurs will be able to offer.

And it's July 3rd and we're looking at MLE candidates.

[Chinook]

From Feb 26:



And it's July 3rd and we're looking at MLE candidates.

My preference was to stay over the cap and not have to worry about fitting everyone in financially. However, I really wanted the Spurs to trade Bonner for on draft night for the best prospect they could get (Williams, Robinson, even Vesely) and then use the MLE to fill their holes. I'm not happy about the team cashing all of their financial cards to bring back 13 of the 15 members of last years' roster. It just feels like they wasted a golden opportunity to actually fix their rotation, instead of just making it work like they have for the last few years.

[Mel_13]

My preference was to stay over the cap and not have to worry about fitting everyone in financially. However, I really wanted the Spurs to trade Bonner for on draft night for the best prospect they could get (Williams, Robinson, even Vesely) and then use the MLE to fill their holes. I'm not happy about the team cashing all of their financial cards to bring back 13 of the 15 members of last years' roster. It just feels like they wasted a golden opportunity to actually fix their rotation, instead of just making it work like they have for the last few years.

Bonner can still be traded.

[Chinook]

Bonner can still be traded.

He can, and I think he very well may toward the deadline. But his trade value is lower now that his contract his guaranteed. So I think the team would have to pay more for a prospect now than they would have had to before.

You're right that he could very well be on the block as we speak. The same can be said for Mills and De Colo.

[Mel_13]

He can, and I think he very well may toward the deadline. But his trade value is lower now that his contract his guaranteed. So I think the team would have to pay more for a prospect now than they would have had to before.

You're right that he could very well be on the block as we speak. The same can be said for Mills and De Colo.

And Diaw.

The Spurs have a nice collection of expiring contracts to make a deal now or as the deadline approaches.

[Chinook]

And Diaw.

The Spurs have a nice collection of expiring contracts to make a deal now or as the deadline approaches.

It also gives them a good-sized chunk of cap space next season (which they'll probably use to re-sign Diaw and De Colo, but a man can dream).

I'd be fine with a trade for someone whom the team thinks can help, but I hope they don't parlay those contracts into another Jefferson.

[Mel_13]

It also gives them a good-sized chunk of cap space next season (which they'll probably use to re-sign Diaw and De Colo, but a man can dream).

I'd be fine with a trade for someone whom the team thinks can help, but I hope they don't parlay those contracts into another Jefferson.

No chance of that.

[Chinook]

No chance of that.

You sure they aren't going to consider Gerald Wallace or Tyrus Thomas the missing piece?

[Mel_13]

You sure they aren't going to consider Gerald Wallace or Tyrus Thomas the missing piece?

Yes.

The Spurs have operated in accordance with some easy to discern principles for well over a decade. They seriously broke with those principles one time, and that's when they acquired RJ. They're not going down that road again.

[venitian navigator]

After the Manu and Splitter signing we should probably just wait for the "numbers"...then sign Neal.
Then, MLE for our main target (Kirilenko?) Then, sign and trade for other targets.
One of them, imho, is one that have never been considered till now but brings exactly what we need : Nate Robinson.
If I red well, Chicago offered him just the minimum...

[Drom John]

Top 10 remaining FA by 2012-2103 WS rank and that rank in 2012-2013 salaries
Hickson, J.J 42nd, $11,566,265 (Kevin Garnett)
Pekovic, Nikola 45th, $11,000,000 (Monta Ellis)
Landry, Carl 54th, $10,000,000 (Andrea Bargani)
Teague, Jeff 58th, $9,638,554 (Tim Duncan)
Kirilenko, Andrei 60th, $9,439,000 (Danilo Galinari)
Robinson, Nate 64th, $8,646,364 (Shawn Marion)
Jennings, Brandon 66th, $8,600,000 (Jameer Nelson)
Collison, Darren 71st, $8,374,646 (Jeremy Lin)
Jack, Jarrett 74th, $8,289,130 (Thaddeus Young)
Wright, Dorell 97th, $6,698,565 (Samuel Dalembert)

[Drom John]

Far down the list I just noticed Derek Fisher's horrible, maddening and sad WS.
.04

[Spur-Addict]

Dorell Wright to Portland

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--blazers-signing-dorell-wright-to-two-year-deal-181717996.html

[Drom John]

Top 10 remaining FA by 2012-2103 WS rank and that rank in 2012-2013 salaries
Hickson, J.J 42nd, $11,566,265 (Kevin Garnett)
Pekovic, Nikola 45th, $11,000,000 (Monta Ellis)
Teague, Jeff 58th, $9,638,554 (Tim Duncan)
Kirilenko, Andrei 60th, $9,439,000 (Danilo Galinari)
Robinson, Nate 64th, $8,646,364 (Shawn Marion)
Jennings, Brandon 66th, $8,600,000 (Jameer Nelson)
Monta Ellis 104th 6,500,000 (Spencer Hawes)
Tyler Hansbrough 118th $5,750,000 (Kyle Lowry)
Antawn Jamison 121st $5,486,250 (Chuck Hayes)
Brandan Wright 129th $5,220,000 (Antonio McDyess? He was on the books?)

[pad300]

It's pretty crazy, IMO, that Nate Robinson hasn't got anything so far, and looks like he is walking away from the Bulls. A S&T with the bulls would be very interesting to me. The Bulls need a 3ed PG, behind Rose and the Teague/Hinrich combo. They only have the vet min to offer, so Mills is about as good as they can expect to get.

As an S&T, we could, IIRC, offer 150% + 100K of Mills's salary = 1.5* $1,133,950 +100K = ~$1.8M. Guaranteed for 2 years, I think at this point, Nate might jump at it. No one has offered him anything resembling big money.

Nate would provide useful competition to the back up PG slot with Cojo. He's a remorseless shooter a la Neal (something Pop actually likes), and hit 40.5% from 3 on 8.0 3FGA/48 - Neal had 35.5% on 8.1 3FGA/48. Robinson's also much better at get to the hoop, passing, and handling the ball. He might be worse at defense (due to size), but he probably gets that back on athleticism...

[venitian navigator]

It's pretty crazy, IMO, that Nate Robinson hasn't got anything so far, and looks like he is walking away from the Bulls. A S&T with the bulls would be very interesting to me. The Bulls need a 3ed PG, behind Rose and the Teague/Hinrich combo. They only have the vet min to offer, so Mills is about as good as they can expect to get.

As an S&T, we could, IIRC, offer 150% + 100K of Mills's salary = 1.5* $1,133,950 +100K = ~$1.8M. Guaranteed for 2 years, I think at this point, Nate might jump at it. No one has offered him anything resembling big money.

Nate would provide useful competition to the back up PG slot with Cojo. He's a remorseless shooter a la Neal (something Pop actually likes), and hit 40.5% from 3 on 8.0 3FGA/48 - Neal had 35.5% on 8.1 3FGA/48. Robinson's also much better at get to the hoop, passing, and handling the ball. He might be worse at defense (due to size), but he probably gets that back on athleticism...

If possible, I too would like this move...gets you the chance to replace what Neal gave you at a decent amount (plus more defensive skills). I just wander why Bulls just made him a minimum offer...

[pad300]

If possible, I too would like this move...gets you the chance to replace what Neal gave you at a decent amount (plus more defensive skills). I just wander why Bulls just made him a minimum offer...

1) I wouldn't say more defensive skills. Nate Robinson is not a significantly better defender than Neal, but he is a significantly better passer and ball handler.

2) The Bulls aren't to interested in having him because they have Rose. They clearly plan on 40 minutes a night from Rose. Robinson can't play beside Rose (both are too ball dominant, and neither can defend SG's), so how do you fit Nate into the team?

[venitian navigator]

1) I wouldn't say more defensive skills. Nate Robinson is not a significantly better defender than Neal, but he is a significantly better passer and ball handler.

2) The Bulls aren't to interested in having him because they have Rose. They clearly plan on 40 minutes a night from Rose. Robinson can't play beside Rose (both are too ball dominant, and neither can defend SG's), so how do you fit Nate into the team?


I see Robinson as a really better defender on the ball...he can provide steals and pressing.
He ìs, however,better athletically than Neal...in the right system he could play more than decent help defense.

Imho he's a hot commodity, expecially for a contending team : is a unique kind of player for his skills, if used in limited minutes (is very difficult to take away the ball from him, can shoot from 3' and he can create his own shot).
Nobody, nor the Bulls, have that kind of player.

[Captivus]

FAs status
http://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/free_agents.cgi

[benstanfield]

Anyone know anything about Alexandre Paranhos? He went undrafted so I guess he's a restricted free agent. I read an Abbott article about him and he seems pretty damn intriguing. 6'9, 7/3 wingspan, 241 lbs. On tape it looks like he can shoot threes pretty well, handles maybe a little iffy and everything else RAWWW. But that physique... Could be a project, which is perfect given the minutes our backup SF looks to get this year.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMJyw9a8cdM

[spurraider21]

i'd rather take a flier on andrew goudelock than resign gary neal. theyre the same size but goudelock can take people off the dribble too, while being a sniper himself

[ace3g]

Bruno I submitted a FA thread for Josh Childress, did you get the notification?

[Bruno]

Bruno I submitted a FA thread for Josh Childress, did you get the notification?

Sorry, I didn't saw it. It's good now.

[td4mvp2k]

Hawks waive Stevenson n wood look good in SnB

[ABC]

I know it's ancient history now, but some might be interested to know:

"Casspi also received interest the San Antonio Spurs, Memphis Grizzlies and Washington Wizards in free agency." [sic]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231091/McHales-Emotional-Message-Pushed-Casspi-To-Join-Rockets

[DrunkTXLabrat]

I know it's ancient history now, but some might be interested to know:

"Casspi also received interest the San Antonio Spurs, Memphis Grizzlies and Washington Wizards in free agency." [sic]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231091/McHales-Emotional-Message-Pushed-Casspi-To-Join-Rockets

it's nice to know they tried.

[FireMicoHalili]

https://twitter.com/TheBlur_Barbosa/status/414839685085556736