Unbelievable

[Wild Cobra]

Government Work: $205,000 to Move a Shrubbery (http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/lincolnbrown/2012/04/15/government_work_205000_to_move_a_shrubbery/page/full/)

Part of the story:


No, I’m not kidding. $205,075 to move a bush. That’s one bush. Not a stand of plants, not a small forest, not even a mighty California Redwood. A bush. The plant in question is called a Franciscan manzanita and is extinct. Except where it is found growing in people’s yards in California. And nurseries where they retail for about 16 bucks.

Shortly after its discovery, the California Department of Transportation, the National Park Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and the California Department of Fish and Game, showing the fiscal sense of two drunken frat boys at a buy-one-get one free sale at a tattoo parlor came together and in what I am sure was a lengthy skull session, drafted a Memorandum of Agreement to move the plant from a median strip to the Presidio to safety.

[admiralsnackbar]

At least there is a paper trail. See: $23B unaccounted for in Iraq. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7444083.stm)

[Wild Cobra]

Old news, and they have been finding the trail on it.

[admiralsnackbar]

Old news, and they have been finding the trail on it.

Oh?

[ElNono]

While I do think it's likely that some wasteful spending went into this, the title and accompanying opinion article is misleading as hell. It wasn't just any "bush", and it didn't cost $205,000 to "move it".

Now, you might not agree with spending money in saving plants from extinction, but that's a different topic altogether.

[ElNono]

While I do think it's likely that some wasteful spending went into this, the title and accompanying opinion article is misleading as hell. It wasn't just any "bush", and it didn't cost $205,000 to "move it".

Now, you might not agree with spending money in saving plants from extinction, but that's a different topic altogether.

[Yonivore]

While I do think it's likely that some wasteful spending went into this, the title and accompanying opinion article is misleading as hell. It wasn't just any "bush", and it didn't cost $205,000 to "move it".

Now, you might not agree with spending money in saving plants from extinction, but that's a different topic altogether.
It's a ridiculous waste of tax payer money and one of the reasons Californians are fleeing the state for more sensible governance, in places like Texas.

[CosmicCowboy]

I just made $3000 off the federal government in 3 hours this morning. It took longer to do the paperwork leading up to the job than it did to do the job.

[ElNono]

It's a ridiculous waste of tax payer money and one of the reasons Californians are fleeing the state for more sensible governance, in places like Texas.

Debatable whether protection of natural resources is a waste.

How many people are fleeing Yoni? crofl

[Yonivore]

Debatable whether protection of natural resources is a waste.
Simply being a plant doesn't make it an important resource of anything. What resource could be gained from that plant that couldn't be gained from all the other plants bulldozed to make way for the road?

[ElNono]

Simply being a plant doesn't make it an important resource of anything. What resource could be gained from that plant that couldn't be gained from all the other plants bulldozed to make way for the road?

All the other plants were not believed to be extinct in the wild.

Some manzanita species are among the rarest plants in the world. The endemic Arctostaphylos hookeri ravenii (Presidio manzanita) is the most endangered and restricted plant in the mainland United States. In 1987 only one specimen remained, at a secret location in the Presidio of San Francisco National Historic Landmark District in San Francisco, California. This plant has since been successfully cloned. Arctostaphylos franciscana (Franciscan Manzanita), a species native to San Francisco, had not been seen growing wild since 1947 until it was spotted growing in the Presidio of San Francisco in October, 2009.

[coyotes_geek]

It's a ridiculous waste of tax payer money and one of the reasons Californians are fleeing the state for more sensible governance, in places like Texas.

I hate to break it to you, but we're doing the same stuff here. I've worked on multiple projects here in Texas that could have had a similar story written about them.

[Woo Bum-kon]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/ignorefuzzbot.jpg

How asshurt does one have to be to put that in their sig?

[TeyshaBlue]

It's a ridiculous waste of tax payer money and one of the reasons Californians are fleeing the state for more sensible governance, in places like Texas.

I lol'd. Sensible government and Texas do not belong in the same sentence.

[admiralsnackbar]

Simply being a plant doesn't make it an important resource of anything. What resource could be gained from that plant that couldn't be gained from all the other plants bulldozed to make way for the road?

Putting together the reasoning bellow the dense spin is pretty impossible, but I'd spec'late there must be a wide divergence between the domesticated manzanita tree that is so common and this wild instance.

As for its value... if you can understand the genome and survival strategies of a plant adapted to a certain kind of terrain/climate, you can probably extrapolate that knowledge to engineer other flora to do the same, which is probably worth more to N. California agriculture than $300K.

[CosmicCowboy]

I lol'd. Sensible government and Texas do not belong in the same sentence.

It's all relative. You have to admit California is a lot flakier than Texas.

[MannyIsGod]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/ignorefuzzbot.jpg

How asshurt does one have to be to put that in their sig?

I can't see sigs but who did that? :lol

[Woo Bum-kon]

Wild Cobra, of course.

[ElNono]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/ignorefuzzbot.jpg

How asshurt does one have to be to put that in their sig?

:lol Fuzzy should be proud.

[MannyIsGod]

It's all relative. You have to admit California is a lot flakier than Texas.

Texas Education policies take the cake.

To be fair, I'm not sure California is any better because I'm not as aware as the way they run things.

Also, as an aside as someone who has not been away from Texas for a couple of years, I appreciate the society there a lot more now.

I think it has more to do with how bad NM is than how good Texas is, but everything is relative.

[baseline bum]

:lol Fuzzy should be proud.

I don't see what the big deal is tbh; WC pretty much ignores what is said in most posts when arguing.

[vy65]

Government Work: $205,000 to Move a Shrubbery (http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/lincolnbrown/2012/04/15/government_work_205000_to_move_a_shrubbery/page/full/)

Part of the story:

Who the fuck cares? 205k is a drop in the bucket.

But holy shit is being a conservative commentator a fucking racket. What the hell do the good people at townhallfinance.com do everyday? Comb the interwebs for some bullshit about Obama, or the gays, or abortion, and freak the fuck out about it. I could easily do that. I can freak out about the "60 radicals in power." I can write a book about "Obama's Bloodiest Coverup."

Seriously, these idiots write drivel and get to appear on national tv and make hundreds of thousands if not millions?

[ElNono]

I don't see what the big deal is tbh; WC pretty much ignores what is said in most posts when arguing.

True :lol

[vy65]

Actually, I should practice my outrage . . .

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the fine, gay/abortion/immigrant loving state of California wasting your hard earned tax dollars for a plant. A plant!

I bet some of the lib-tards over there in California must have thought you could smoke this bush.

[ElNono]

Who the fuck cares? 205k is a drop in the bucket.

But holy shit is being a conservative commentator a fucking racket. What the hell do the good people at townhallfinance.com do everyday? Comb the interwebs for some bullshit about Obama, or the gays, or abortion, and freak the fuck out about it. I could easily do that. I can freak out about the "60 radicals in power." I can write a book about "Obama's Bloodiest Coverup."

Seriously, these idiots write drivel and get to appear on national tv and make hundreds of thousands if not millions?

I just went to the site home :lmao

This is probably one of those "independent" sites WC goes for his news.

[vy65]

I just went to the site home :lmao

This is probably one of those "independent" sites WC goes for his news.

I can see WC huddled in his basement writing out the $34.95 check for a years subscription of town hall magazine + a free book!!

[Yonivore]

I lol'd. Sensible government and Texas do not belong in the same sentence.
Well, sensible and government probably don't belong in the same sentence but, in this case it was a comparative statement.

Texas is in much better shape, economically, than is California. Some credit our business friendly regulatory climate.

[CosmicCowboy]

Well, sensible and government probably don't belong in the same sentence but, in this case it was a comparative statement.

Texas is in much better shape, economically, than is California. Some credit our business friendly regulatory climate.

And a lot blame California's proposition 13

prop 13 had good intentions but it didn't take into consideration their goofy legislature.

[boutons_deux]

Some credit our business friendly regulatory climate.

some, but overwhelmingly TX floats in oil and gas money, like Gulf Arabs.

[Wild Cobra]

Now, you might not agree with spending money in saving plants from extinction, but that's a different topic altogether.
WTF...

You buy them in nurseries for $16.

Do you ever read links?

[admiralsnackbar]

WTF...

You buy them in nurseries for $16.

Do you ever read links?

Have a link:

http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/20914.aspx

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/ignorefuzzbot.jpg

How asshurt does one have to be to put that in their sig?

I take it as a badge of honor.

[Yonivore]

I take it as a badge of honor.
That's setting the bar for honor a bit low, don't you think?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's setting the bar for honor a bit low, don't you think?

Consider the subject.

[CosmicCowboy]

That's setting the bar for honor a bit low, don't you think?

Probably the crowning glory of his life.

[Wild Cobra]

Probably the crowning glory of his life.
For me, it's like repainting a fence that someone put graffiti on. I don't want to see it.

[ElNono]

WTF...

You buy them in nurseries for $16.

Do you ever read links?

I did. You don't. Catch up please.

[Yonivore]

Consider the subject.
I am; I was talking about you.

[Yonivore]

Probably the crowning glory of his life.
Apparently it's important to him.

[Woo Bum-kon]

Apparently it's important to him.

And important to Wild Cobra, too.

[Yonivore]

And important to Wild Cobra, too.
I have no idea, you're the one that reacted.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am; I was talking about you.

This is cute. So many baseless personal attacks. Like I said, if you are going to sling mud then you should be able to point to specifics.

WC responded to a post that was not directed at him by calling me an idiot. I told him at that point that if was going to call me an idiot then he should at least point to specifics. As a way to show him how to do that, I pointed to several mindnumbingly stupid things he has said recently. Including

His black surgeon post.
His post saying that he didn't like most black people but that was not prejudice.
His flaglot post
Him being a generator service technician and not understanding the properties of capacitors.
Him being a generator service technician and not understanding the properties of flywheels.
His comments on wanting to sterilize poor people and how that was not eugenics.
His comments on how combustion in the troposphere causing Noah's flood.
His creation of graphs of 10 data points from a set of 1000s and saving it for future use on photobucket.
His use of statistics from multiple datasets.

etc.

Its much more incisive than the baseless assertion. He got butthurt and put me on ignore.

See how that works? Specific things that point to him being stupid. Its not a label that I give lightly. Its verifiable from the record.

Now I get you guys don't like me but if you are going to take pot shots at me at least be able to back them up. Its only fair.

Seriously, do you disagree that hes dumb as shit?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Apparently it's important to him.

I think its hilarious. Is that important?

[Drachen]

I thought this thread was about EMF. :(

[admiralsnackbar]

I thought this thread was about EMF. :(
Noooooooooo... now I'm gonna have that 'orrible Mancunian shitepop running on a loop.

Fucking horrible, man. Bad show. :lol

[Woo Bum-kon]

I have no idea, you're the one that reacted.

:lol How do you have no idea? He thought it important enough to put in his sig and display to everybody on this website.

[Yonivore]

:lol How do you have no idea? He thought it important enough to put in his sig and display to everybody on this website.
Maybe he was baiting you.

[Yonivore]

I think its hilarious. Is that important?
Not to me.

[Yonivore]

This is cute. So many baseless personal attacks. Like I said, if you are going to sling mud then you should be able to point to specifics.

WC responded to a post that was not directed...
Seriously? You think I care? I'm just sniping a bunch of trolls in a meaningless thread.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Not to me.

And that matters to me or anyone else for that matter because......

He has been calling me an idiot for days now and I decided to put that into proper context. I do like you going cavalier for him. Its so endearing.

Now we just need wine to take me to task for it and my day will be complete.

[Winehole23]

Its not a label that I give lightly. Its verifiable from the record.Perhaps, but the monotony is also verifiable from the record.

idiot (variant: "if you think X, you're an idiot/moron/dumbass")

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5667757&postcount=2054
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5625857&postcount=432
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5652635&highlight=idiot#post5652635
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5603733&highlight=idiot#post5603733
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5476312&highlight=idiot#post5476312
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5451902&highlight=idiot#post5451902
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5427740&highlight=idiot#post5427740
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5377749&postcount=22
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5369153&highlight=idiot#post5369153
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5368956&highlight=idiot#post5368956
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4988171&highlight=idiot#post4988171

dumbass:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5764727&highlight=dumbass#post5764727
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5691221&highlight=dumbass#post5691221
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5667667&highlight=dumbass#post5667667
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5622108&highlight=dumbass#post5622108
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5621333&highlight=dumbass#post5621333
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5614569&highlight=dumbass#post5614569
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5464300&highlight=dumbass#post5464300
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5460049&highlight=dumbass#post5460049
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5459264&highlight=dumbass#post5459264
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5435189&highlight=dumbass#post5435189
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5424709&highlight=dumbass#post5424709
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5362612&highlight=dumbass#post5362612
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5284999&highlight=dumbass#post5284999

moron:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5639139&highlight=moron#post5639139
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3164188&highlight=moron#post3164188
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3135922&highlight=moron#post3135922
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3135870&highlight=moron#post3135870

[Winehole23]

Chump and Darrin are pretty much only ad hominem anymore and Blake is obsessed with me saying I know more than basic science. Oh and its not because he took it personally.:rolleyes

At the end of the day its pointless and I get tired of having to repeat myself over and over again over the background of 'you're an idiot' and 'you're an idiot.'

They just make it entirely to personal. Whatever.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3145416&postcount=364

If you can't beat em, join em...

[Winehole23]

retard:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5464256&highlight=retard#post5464256
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5460588&highlight=retard#post5460588
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5459217&highlight=retard#post5459217

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Thats pretty awesome. Were any of those not in response or about Darrin or WC? I clicked on about half of them and that was the case.

And yes my day is complete!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In fairness, the times i said that to Darrin, that was unfair. He just lies. Devious != stupid.

I was mad. Sorry.

[Winehole23]

stupid:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5796869&highlight=stupid#post5796869
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5793809&highlight=stupid#post5793809
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5755247&highlight=stupid#post5755247
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5755238&highlight=stupid#post5755238
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5755235&highlight=stupid#post5755235


Mormon's are nice as hell people but they believe some really stupid shit.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5725899&highlight=stupid#post5725899

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5691544&highlight=stupid#post5691544


stupid people prefer easy comparisonshttp://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5676154&highlight=stupid#post5676154

i think most people are stupid self serving idiots.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5676050&highlight=stupid#post5676050


You are either so stupid that you should be euthenised for the betterment of mankind. Or you are intentionally trying to be deceiving.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5790808&highlight=stupid#post5790808
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5790621&highlight=stupid#post5790621
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5786240&highlight=stupid#post5786240

You really think the 'ditto head' types are looking for a second opinion? And from my experience most people are stupid.http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5782915&highlight=stupid#post5782915
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5760224&highlight=stupid#post5760224
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5756106&highlight=stupid#post5756106

Darrin you close minded fuck. Hypocrisy in others is not an excuse for bad behavior. If other people steal, that does not mean that its okay for you to steal. It seems your entire ethic is based around the premise that anything gets a pass if someone else does it. Its fucking stupid.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5756019&highlight=stupid#post5756019http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5755277&highlight=stupid#post5755277
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5664385&highlight=stupid#post5664385
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5653324&highlight=stupid#post5653324
(features dimwit)http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5623612&highlight=stupid#post5623612

[Winehole23]

Thats pretty awesome. Were any of those not in response or about Darrin or WC? yep

[Winehole23]

I was mad. Sorry.You're not sorry one bit.

[Winehole23]

The rudeness makes you like nearly everyone here, but in the area of being a monotonous hothead you have achieved real distinction in fairly short order.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The rudeness makes you like nearly everyone here, but in the area of being a monotonous bore you have achieved real distinction in fairly short order.

Oh wine, you're mad again. I'm sorry, darling.

And yes, I do believe that most people are stupid. Sorry if that offends your sensibilities. I seem to have you in quite the tizzy now.

As I said when I call someone or something stupid. I try to back it up with specifics. I try to be conscientious to that. i do not put it out it out as ad hominem but rather to indicate a lack of logic and critical thinking.

You do not even deny that I am incorrect in saying that those things are stupid but rather that I am a boor to say so. It is what it is. The truth is the truth no matter how repugnant.

And for being such a boor I cause much vexation although at this point your response is cliche.

[Blake]

If you can't beat em, join em...

or whine about em

[Winehole23]

As I said when I call someone or something stupid. I try to back it up with specifics. that doesn't make it any less boorish or any more justified. jmo.

[Winehole23]

btw, thanks for copping to the fake apology

[boutons_deux]

$205K, and WC's pissed.

$700B/year wasted on the MIC, and WC says it's not enough

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nice edit.

I actually do not take delight in making you mad, wine. I have told you that before.

I have even tried to be more conciliatory because every time I say anything you take me to task. I have tempered my responses to snc, CC, vle, yoni, boutons et al.

That being said calling me names is not going to make WC any less stupid or Darrin any less deceitful. When they are obtuse, dissembling or deceitful, I am going to call it like I see it. If others develop a thorough track record as those two have then I am not going to use passive aggressive prose to say it.

If that makes me a boor in your eyes you are just going to have to deal with it.

[spursncowboys]

Maybe if you worried less about people stacking up to your intelligence and focus more on their points, you wouldn't be the norm of this forum. Rise above the fray.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Maybe if you worried less about people stacking up to your intelligence and focus more on their points, you wouldn't be the norm of this forum. Rise above the fray.

Like I said, I do not go after you. I will admit that I have gotten carried away at times but I have made a point to just not go off on you and analyze your approach rather than your acumen.

Really when it comes down to it politically it comes down to approach rather than substance. At least around here. It should be glaringly obvious that people all too often form decisions based on what pundits relay to them rather than from their own independent conclusions or with an critical mind.

I have certainly been at fault at placing blame on the regurgitation rather than the source.

I am willing to be introspective. At the same time, I am still going to say what I say about WC or anyone else that consistently says the same stupid shit over and over again. I have stated, I think its pretty well established how dumb he is. I see no inaccuracy in stating the obvious. Its simply cutting to the chase. It should be noted that no one denies it to be true.

[IWantsACuatro]

http://i44.tinypic.com/1qs7c8.jpg

[Woo Bum-kon]

Maybe he was baiting you.

:lmao By appearing like a huge pussy?

Come up with a better excuse.

[Wild Cobra]

Apparently it's important to him.
If that's the type of badge he considers honorable, then it sure says volumes about his ethics. Doesn't it...

[Wild Cobra]

$205K, and WC's pissed.

$700B/year wasted on the MIC, and WC says it's not enough
Forgive me for not remembering at the moment what MIC is, but I'm not pissed about the $205k, I think it's disgraceful. I think we have some people making bad decisions that need to retire, or be fired.