TuBasket.com: Erazem decides to play in NBA

[Penya]

I wouldn't open this thread if TuBasket.com was just a website with random rumors. They have insiders and, when they report something, it always comes true. If mods consider that the thread belongs to Think Tank, move it there :) .

Here's my translation of the report:

Last draft was a turning point in Lorbek's career (C, 28 years, 6'10'').

It wasn't a turning point because he was selected (he was selected 46th overall in 2005 draft), but because his rights were traded from Indiana Pacers to San Antonio Spurs, the team where European players translate their game better to NBA.

In his prime, and after winning every title in Europe, the last challenge of this center from the Balkans is playing NBA ball.

A couple of weeks ago, George Hill went back to Texas, in order to play against his last team for the first time.

Because of that fact, Gregg Popovich, Spurs' coach said "I think that Kawhi and our big man in Europe will help us". This words didn't get much attention in USA, but they agree with everything that TUBASKET.com has found out: Lorbek is expected to play in San Antonio next year.

Last season, Lorbek extended his contract for just one more year. Barça wanted him to stay longer, but at this point, both club and player know Erazam's decision.

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There's other fact that might help Lorbek's adaptation: He played one season of NCAA ball in 2002/2003, therefore his English is perfect.

Link [in spanish]: http://www.tubasket.com/noticia/fc-barcelona-regal/bara-da-perdido-lorbek-ya-prepara-su-desembarco-san-antonio-spurs-verano/1595471/6305 .

[admiralsnackbar]

Would be great if true.

[Kobayagi]

Don't build up the hype, too many spurs fans will be disappointed when he signs long term in Barcelona or some other European club. He hasn't decided shit so far, this article is all speculation.

[wildbill2u]

Don't build up the hype, too many spurs fans will be disappointed when he signs long term in Barcelona or some other European club. He hasn't decided shit so far, this article is all speculation.

Yeah, it is speculation. Not like all the threads on Spurstalk about trading Bonner and Anderson for Dwight Howard. :rolleyes

[Kobayagi]

When you have words like "Erazem decided" in the title of the thread it's a tiny bit different, don't you think?

[timvp]

I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to explore signing with the Spurs but it'll come down to money. If the Spurs decide to spend their money elsewhere (such as on Diaw), Lorkbek is unlikely to settle for scraps and would stay in Europe.

FWIW, I know the Spurs are pretty damn high on him. But still, they have a limited supply of money this offseason and there's no way to know how they are going to spend it right now.

[Kamnik]

Lorbek won't help the Spurs short term to win championships and won't help them long term to rebuild.

He will need 1-2 years just to adapt to the NBA and by then he will be 30.

And this is coming from a Slovenian Lorbek fan.

[Venti Quattro]

Just stay with Barcelona and beat the shit out of RMAO Baloncesto imo tbh.

[Kobayagi]

He will want a big paycheck and the Spurs won't (and should not) give him that. If Barca doesn't either, there's plenty of European teams that will.

Diaw is almost the same age and he's been in the NBA forever, Spurs should spend their money on him. And I'm a Lorbek fan too and would be thrilled if proven wrong and he does indeed decide to earn less and play in the NBA.

[elemento]

How much money could we offer him considering that TD will eat all the cap space ?

2y/2.5m right (new exception for teams with cap space) ?

Does he get more than that in Europe?

[Slomo]

The only way this ends well is if Erazem takes it as a personal challenge and decides to try and prove himself in the NBA too. In that case respect from Pop will be as important as money and the limited funds the Spurs have might do the trick. Without a very high level of motivation he will not be able to do much anyway (and I too like him a lot).

Now I have not seen any indication from Lorbek about being especially keen on the NBA, or anything that would point to my first paragraph. Also I have a distinct feeling that his father is not an NBA fan and his opinion carries a lot of weight in the Lorbek family. I'm sure other Slovenian posters that follow the Slovenian medias closer than me can offer more details.

So I'm not holding my breath just yet.

[Kobayagi]

Also I have a distinct feeling that his father is not an NBA fan and his opinion carries a lot of weight in the Lorbek family.

This.

His father has a lot of power in european basketball. In NBA, he'd have zero.

[Kobayagi]

when he decided not to play for Slovenia in the Olympics because he had "Other Plans" for the Summer.


Slovenia not qualifying for the Olympics might have had something to do with this too.

[Bruno]

Thanks for the translation.

I don't see something else in this article than the quote Pop said two weeks ago when pacers were in San Antonio.

[Kobayagi]

Actually it was before Olympic qualifying matches as well. He said he didn't want to risk any unnecessary injuries and his coach from the reports that came was pretty livid about his decision.

Are you just making shit up now? What Olympic qualifying matches? Teams qualified through European championships last year. The last qualifying tournament hasn't even been played yet and Slovenia didn't qualify for that one either. If he said any of this, trust us, Slovenians would know, we are a nation of 2 million people, we have ONE major media outlet and a couple of websites, we can read all the interviews he gives in a year in less than an hour. :lol

[Kobayagi]

Oh man... does anyone else want to take this over? I'm kind of tired of explaining old shit.


Bottom line: Erazem DID play at Eurobasket 2011, how did you manage to miss that?

[will_spurs]

Not sure about this news in particular, but other similar news have been discussed in the relevant Think Tank thread. It appears it's impossible to say, right now, whether he's really motivated by joining the Spurs, or if the Spurs are just being used once again as a way to raise value and sign a better contract with the team the player wanted to play for all along.

[SenorSpur]

This news would also explain why the Spurs were so willing to throw in their number one pick in the 2012 NBA draft, as part of the RJ-SJax trade.

[admiralsnackbar]

This news would also explain why the Spurs were so willing to throw in their number one pick in the 2012 NBA draft, as part of the RJ-SJax trade.
I suppose, but that move could just as easily be seen as a recognition that this is the last year we can expect to contend.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

This news would also explain why the Spurs were so willing to throw in their number one pick in the 2012 NBA draft, as part of the RJ-SJax trade.

Saving some $12 million along the way would make any team throw their late 1st rounder.

[Mal]

How much money could we offer him considering that TD will eat all the cap space ?

2y/2.5m right (new exception for teams with cap space) ?

Does he get more than that in Europe?

Yes, in euro, without taxes

[dbestpro]

Lorbek in and Bonner out. Could see a move that sends Bonner back to a team like Toronto as they will have lots of cap space for maybe a protected 2nd round pick.

[TDMVPDPOY]

whether its speculation or not, barca i see what u try to do here, get him sign long ass contract so you can get a buyout...fck u

[SenorSpur]

Lorbek in and Bonner out. Could see a move that sends Bonner back to a team like Toronto as they will have lots of cap space for maybe a protected 2nd round pick.

No way Pop ships out his red-headed butt-boy.

[sisibilio]

Lorbek is a better version of Bonner, I would actually put him close to the same level as a heathly Okur. He would really help the Spurs out. If the Spurs sign him, I think that Blair would be the one to go. The guy can shoot from anywhere on the court despite what people say, he is a physical player.

A frontcourt rotation of Duncan, Splitter, Bonner and Lorbek would be solid for the next 2-3 years.
He's nothing like Bonner, sure he can shoot threes but that (and a similar concentration of melanin in the skin) is the only thing they have in common.

[sisibilio]

whether its speculation or not, barca i see what u try to do here, get him sign long ass contract so you can get a buyout...fck u
Barça just wants to keep the player obviously since he'd be extrmely hard to replace. The club makes a gazillion of cash a year, they don't need the pennies SA would pay.

[will_spurs]

Lorbek in and Bonner out. Could see a move that sends Bonner back to a team like Toronto as they will have lots of cap space for maybe a protected 2nd round pick.

Bonner is more likely to retire a Spur than Duncan, Parker and Manu.

[smaka]

I'd really like to see Erazem in NBA, but tbh I don't know how well he would fit in the NBA. But we don't know until we see him, so yes, he should try!

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Question to the posters who really know his game and play style. Is his game similar to Mehmet Okur or am i way off track here?

[Paranoid Pop]

Makes too much sense, we need a PF badly and we don't have the money to go after FAs like Ilyasova and we don't have any first rounder.

[Penya]

I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to explore signing with the Spurs but it'll come down to money. If the Spurs decide to spend their money elsewhere (such as on Diaw), Lorkbek is unlikely to settle for scraps and would stay in Europe.

FWIW, I know the Spurs are pretty damn high on him. But still, they have a limited supply of money this offseason and there's no way to know how they are going to spend it right now.

This info probably comes from Barça's office, since TuBasket usually leaks from FOs, not players/agents.

It's obvious that Spurs are high on him (otherwise, they would've asked a 2nd round or cash in Hill's trade), but there are other factors.

If Spurs could get Lorbek and De Colo (who looks more willing to play for less money) splitting the MLE... That would be huge.

[therealtruth]

I don't see the point of him waiting in a Europe another year. He should have came to the team this year so he could sit at the end of the bench because it's not "fair to the team" and so he can get over himself. Now we probably won't see him in the rotation till 2 years from now.

[BRs.Ganso]

the savior? looks like... for someone guys...

[Obstructed_View]

Not that similar. Okur in his prime was a better shooter with more range. Okur was a way better post defender.

Lorbek on the other hand, is a much more skilled all around offensive player than Okur ever was.

Okur is a center, Lorbek is a power forward.

I don't see much similarity in those two players.

The question was for people who really know. RIF.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol Jeff Foster
:lol Souvlaki

[angelbelow]

This was discussed in Erazem's think tank thread, but I have absolutely no doubt that he'll be "interested" in the Spurs/NBA. All that does is drive up his market value for the European teams who really want him.

Unlike guys like Scola, Splitter, Gasol, this guy has never shown much interest in the NBA. I see his chances of willing to relocate and move to San Antonio as slim. I wouldn't be surprised if him and his agent are just driving up his value and expanding his options.

I would like to know what his estimated market value is and whether the Spurs can compete, financially, with some of the European teams. That should give us a clearer picture on the possibility of him coming over.

[Josepatches_]

I can't understand why dumbs compare him with Splitter who was way more dominant in Spain than Lorbek will never be.

Of course their game is pretty different too.

I can't see Lorbek playing a lot minutes in the NBA. Yes he's more like Bonner but he's not half as good as Bonner from 3.He's a few soft. He's not in love with the fight in the paint although he has pretty good moves in the paint tbh.

If will be a lot better for him to stay in Europe.

Comparative: Jorge Garbajosa without his toughness but better post game

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This will be like scola in summer 05 or splitter summer 08

[TheSkeptic]

I can't understand why dumbs compare him with Splitter who was way more dominant in Spain than Lorbek will never be.

Of course their game is pretty different too.

I can't see Lorbek playing a lot minutes in the NBA. Yes he's more like Bonner but he's not half as good as Bonner from 3.He's a few soft. He's not in love with the fight in the paint although he has pretty good moves in the paint tbh.

If will be a lot better for him to stay in Europe.

Comparative: Jorge Garbajosa without his toughness but better post game

Garbajosa without the toughness...How useful is a player like that exactly?

[Kobayagi]

Garbajosa without the toughness...How useful is a player like that exactly?

Good point. I guess he can hit an occasional three every once in a while. Oh, wait, you already have Bonner for that...


On a more serious note, He's got one of the best post games in europe, but I think, in the NBA he would get pushed around in the paint and would eventually have to resort to outside and mid range shooting. His game, in my opinion is much more suited for euroleague than NBA and I think he's aware of that.

[Slomo]

This will be like scola in summer 05 or splitter summer 08

I disagree to the extent that I have yet to see him give false hopes by saying he "wants" to come to the NBA. At this point all the reports are second hands at best. He has not used the Spurs to hike up his price in Europe (yet?)


Garbajosa without the toughness...How useful is a player like that exactly?

He's a much more fundamentaly sound player and very talented. He has the BB IQ to be a good NBA player if he wanted. I just don't think he wants to.

[Slomo]

...

On a more serious note, He's got one of the best post games in europe, but I think, in the NBA he would get pushed around in the paint and would eventually have to resort to outside and mid range shooting. His game, in my opinion is much more suited for euroleague than NBA and I think he's aware of that.

Exactly! To overcome that he would need to really want it and work hard at it. Otherwise forget it - it would be a bad choice for the Spurs and for him.

[TD 21]

He's 6-10 or 11, can play with his back to the basket and has minimal athleticism/quickness, so I doubt they view him as a four. He might be fine with being the third string five/fifth big for one season, but what if Duncan plays two more seasons? And in the event they went with a Duncan/Splitter/Bonner/Lorbek big rotation, they'd have even less athleticism/quickness in their big rotation than they do now.

That's why I wonder, if they get a commitment or even a sense from Duncan, that he's going to play two more seasons, if they'll shop Splitter. He's already 27, injury prone, and similar to Hill, despite clearly being the fourth best player in the team, he's not the greatest fit with part of the big three (at least in Pop's eyes). So if they have Lorbek to take over as the backup five, they might shop Splitter, with Blair, for a starting four.

[Kobayagi]

There is zero chance of Lorbek coming over to be 3rd string five.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Lorbek in and Bonner out. Could see a move that sends Bonner back to a team like Toronto as they will have lots of cap space for maybe a protected 2nd round pick.

Or just amnesty him.

[TheSkeptic]

He's 6-10 or 11, can play with his back to the basket and has minimal athleticism/quickness, so I doubt they view him as a four. He might be fine with being the third string five/fifth big for one season, but what if Duncan plays two more seasons? And in the event they went with a Duncan/Splitter/Bonner/Lorbek big rotation, they'd have even less athleticism/quickness in their big rotation than they do now.

That's why I wonder, if they get a commitment or even a sense from Duncan, that he's going to play two more seasons, if they'll shop Splitter. He's already 27, injury prone, and similar to Hill, despite clearly being the fourth best player in the team, he's not the greatest fit with part of the big three (at least in Pop's eyes). So if they have Lorbek to take over as the backup five, they might shop Splitter, with Blair, for a starting four.

I can see them attempting something similar but I highly doubt that they get a starting 4 in exchange for Splitter and Blair's combined salaries. If they look to move Splitter (and they should imo) they'll have to look more at getting a back-up point guard or at players who are currently on rookie salary with perhaps picks added on or something.

That said, you might be able to work something out with a team like Houston -they seem to have enough assets and I don't think they'd turn down a player who could help them get into the playoffs.

I can't say I'd be happy with the move though since given the accolades and the like, I'm still not convinced that trading Splitter and Blair to accommodate Lorbek is such a sound decision. In fact, I suspect that it would make us weaker up front than we already are. Unless the Spurs can maybe grab a slightly undersized but scrappy type from Houston to round things out or something.

[Mel_13]

Makes more sense to keep Diaw in the short run. TD and Manu don't have a long run.

[TheSkeptic]

Makes more sense to keep Diaw in the short run. TD and Manu don't have a long run.

Actually that might work.

Duncan/Lorbek/Bonner
Diaw/Bonner/Blair
Leonard/Jax
Green/Manu/Neal
Parker/Back-up PG in exchange for Splitter

Still don't really like that frontcourt but that's a roster that could probably do well in the regular season.

[GSH]

This was discussed in Erazem's think tank thread, but I have absolutely no doubt that he'll be "interested" in the Spurs/NBA. All that does is drive up his market value for the European teams who really want him.

Unlike guys like Scola, Splitter, Gasol, this guy has never shown much interest in the NBA. I see his chances of willing to relocate and move to San Antonio as slim. I wouldn't be surprised if him and his agent are just driving up his value and expanding his options.

I would like to know what his estimated market value is and whether the Spurs can compete, financially, with some of the European teams. That should give us a clearer picture on the possibility of him coming over.

:tu

How many times have we heard that some Euro player is "interested" in coming to the Spurs, as a way to negotiate a better contract? As far as I'm concerned, that's what they're all doing until I read that thay have actually signed a contract.


Lorbek is obviously a good player, but he's not going to be a bruiser in the paint - which is what we really need. Not that we wouldn't want him, but he's not going to change the complexion of the team. We have enough spreading, and scoring, and all that shit. We need a guy who can get in and root for position, block shots, and won't get pushed around at will.

[Obstructed_View]

This will be like scola in summer 05 or splitter summer 08

Depends. Who's Erazem's agent?

[Mel_13]

Actually that might work.

Duncan/Lorbek/Bonner
Diaw/Bonner/Blair
Leonard/Jax
Green/Manu/Neal
Parker/Back-up PG in exchange for Splitter

Still don't really like that frontcourt but that's a roster that could probably do well in the regular season.

Assuming that Diaw is worth keeping, they won't be able to sign him and Lorbek.

[Cow Eye]

I KNOW! Let's take Diaw AND Lorbek and just drop Bonner!

/kills self

[TheSkeptic]

Assuming that Diaw is worth keeping, they won't be able to sign him and Lorbek.

Really? Why?

[Mel_13]

Really? Why?

Because I don't think you can fit both into the MLE, and I don't believe either would sign for the BAE.

[SenorSpur]

I can see them attempting something similar but I highly doubt that they get a starting 4 in exchange for Splitter and Blair's combined salaries. If they look to move Splitter (and they should imo) they'll have to look more at getting a back-up point guard or at players who are currently on rookie salary with perhaps picks added on or something.

That said, you might be able to work something out with a team like Houston -they seem to have enough assets and I don't think they'd turn down a player who could help them get into the playoffs.

I can't say I'd be happy with the move though since given the accolades and the like, I'm still not convinced that trading Splitter and Blair to accommodate Lorbek is such a sound decision. In fact, I suspect that it would make us weaker up front than we already are. Unless the Spurs can maybe grab a slightly undersized but scrappy type from Houston to round things out or something.

I would ask those who keep making this suggestion, why in the world are some of you so quick to want Splitter shipped out of S.A.? This suggestion makes absolutely no sense - epseically for a team that is already thin on the frontline - at least from a skills standpoint anyway. After all, it's not like the Spurs are the Utah Jazz and have a plethora of big man options.

[TheSkeptic]

I would ask those who keep making this suggestion, why in the world are some of you so quick to want Splitter shipped out of S.A.? This suggestion makes absolutely no sense - epseically for a team that is already thin on the frontline - at least from a skills standpoint anyway. After all, it's not like the Spurs are the Utah Jazz and have a plethora of big man options.

It's not that I want Splitter shipped out. I wish he could stay and start getting the minutes he deserves.

But unfortunately, Pop has made his decision and short of a lightbulb moment he's not going to change. While I would be furious if Tiago went on to be an all-star/get further in the playoffs than our team (:lol) or something, he doesn't deserve to be on the bench playing behind Bonner, Blair, Diaw, and soon-to-be Lorbek.

If we can trade him and get a decent back-up PG then it's in everyone's best interests to do so. Both for Tiago's career, my sanity, and the team as far as a offensively-oriented roster goes.

I'll admit that it's a shame though because I can't shake the feeling I have that Tiago has the potential to be a really good player in this league. From what I've seen I don't get the same feeling about Lorbek but it could still be a good move...

[SenorSpur]

It's not that I want Splitter shipped out. I wish he could stay and start getting the minutes he deserves.

But unfortunately, Pop has made his decision and short of a lightbulb moment he's not going to change. While I would be furious if Tiago went on to be an all-star/get further in the playoffs than our team (:lol) or something, he doesn't deserve to be on the bench playing behind Bonner, Blair, Diaw, and soon-to-be Lorbek.

If we can trade him and get a decent back-up PG then it's in everyone's best interests to do so. Both for Tiago's career, my sanity, and the team as far as a offensively-oriented roster goes.

I'll admit that it's a shame though because I can't shake the feeling I have that Tiago has the potential to be a really good player in this league. From what I've seen I don't get the same feeling about Lorbek but it could still be a good move...

There's an old NBA adage that "you never trade BIG for SMALL". And in this case, I would concur. I get your position. However if Pop and RC give up on Splitter this early - and I don't think they will - then they would and should ruin the pristine reputations that they have built for themselves. In fact, shipping out Splitter would be a perposterous move for a team that is ALREADY thin up front.

If that should happen, we would all be well within our rights to criticize this organization for its failure to develop big men. They've already given up on Mahinmi too soon, so I would hope there is a lesson learned there - and they don't make the same mistake twice.

[Mel_13]

There's absolutely no reason to believe that the Spurs have given up on Splitter or have any intention of trading him. And the Mahinmi situation is not the least bit analogous to Splitter's situation.

[BackHome]

The best is to keep Splitter and sign Lobrek....The guy can be on the floor and get playing time with Splitter or Timmy. His offense is better then Blair and Bonner and his defense is probably a little better then those two.

Diaw will get a bigger contract from some team..NJ, Portland etc..

I would look at who his agent is and tell them look we are interested but we are not going to be played. So either sign a decent deal or we move on...no B.S!

Anderson will be gone, Cory will still need another year in the D-Leauge, and I hate to say it but Mills is sucking it up big time lately.

So going into the summer we should first look at signing Lobrek...if he signs on then we look at trading..Blair, and keeping Green. Maybe amnesty Bonner?

Another question is we will only have RJ for one more year do we make a move him and go for Batum or Omri?

[SenorSpur]

There's absolutely no reason to believe that the Spurs have given up on Splitter or have any intention of trading him. And the Mahinmi situation is not the least bit analogous to Splitter's situation.

I agree with you in that I don't see how the Spurs FO could ever consider giving up on Splitter. Besides, a team that is already size-challenged along the frontline is in no position to give up on a serviceable big man. Therefore, the Ian situation, in my opinion, may not be analagous to Splitter situation, but it is germaine to the discussion.

[TheSkeptic]

There's an old NBA adage that "you never trade BIG for SMALL". And in this case, I would concur. I get your position. However if Pop and RC give up on Splitter this early - and I don't think they will - then they would and should ruin the pristine reputations that they have built for themselves. In fact, shipping out Splitter would be a perposterous move for a team that is ALREADY thin up front.

If that should happen, we would all be well within our rights to criticize this organization for its failure to develop big men. They've already given up on Mahinmi too soon, so I would hope there is a lesson learned there - and they don't make the same mistake twice.

Scola actually makes it three times. I was angrier about that than Mahinmi although I'm annoyed about Ian as well.

On a personal level I completely agree with you on trading bigs for smalls. Especially since I don't think Lorbek will be as good to start as Tiago has been this season. Forget about if Splitter actually got time to develop.

But I do think Lorbek would be good enough to be our third big and that he could help if we weren't so insistent on playing Bonner/Blair at all costs. Shipping Tiago significantly weakens our team imo but if Pop is insistent on going offense-first, then a back-up point is exactly what they need to go for.

We'll just have to resign ourselves to the fact that short of our coach coming to his senses, Tim/Manu will likely retire without another ring at the rate things are going...

[Mel_13]

Another question is we will only have RJ for one more year do we make a move him and go for Batum or Omri?

:wtf

[angelbelow]

Spurs don't really have the luxury to give into a trade demand from Splitter either. Besides, I do think he'll get a bigger role next season..

As for Lorbek vs. Diaw:
-Diaw is proving to be a nice fit so far. That makes him the safer pick between the two.
-Lorbek isn't a home run fit with us either. Pop doesn't always play new bigs right away and Lorbek is probably a center rather than a power forward. Which means it'll be Duncan vs. Splitter vs. Lorbek for minutes.

[Mel_13]

STOP BEING A FREAKING TROLL.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001278993/irony6_xlarge.jpeg

[Mel_13]

You freaking dumb asses would be banned within 2-3 posts if you said this crazy bullshit in any European forum.

"Diaw better than Lorbek"

"Splitter way more dominant than Lorbek could ever be in Europe"

"Lorbek is clearly more of a center than a power forward"

Not one of you stupid inbred redneck racist jack asses would last more than 2-3 posts before being banned on any European basketball forum.

So go back there. You won't be missed, you fake Greek troll.

[GSH]

You freaking dumb asses would be banned within 2-3 posts if you said this crazy bullshit in any European forum.




European forums suck. You suck. === Go to a European forum.

This should be fun.

[Kobayagi]

Here is today's article for a Slovenian website, that is, unlike certain spanish website, actually quoting Lorbek saying that all the rumours that have been circulating lately about his future are totally ungrounded.

Use Google translate or something if you need extra proof.

http://www.siol.net/sportal/kosarka/legionarji/2012/04/lorbek_o_prihodnosti_po_sezoni.aspx

[mountainballer]

Not one of you stupid inbred redneck racist jack asses would last more than 2-3 posts before being banned on any European basketball forum.

you definitely know what you are talking about.
is there one European forum that did not yet ban you?

[Kamnik]

Makes more sense to keep Diaw in the short run. TD and Manu don't have a long run.

Exactly. And in the long run Lorbek doesn't help either because he would be a 29 year old rookie who would need additional 1-2 years to adapt.

By that time TD and Manu might both be retired.

[Kuestmaster]

Rumor here in Spain is that Lorbek is coming to the spurs next season. If we can get rid of Bonner or Blair and bring back Diaw plus signing Lorbek... Watch out.

[wildbill2u]

A couple of years ago the financial incentives were all on the side of staying in Europe because the Euro was strong against the dollar and it looked like the US was going to have a worse economy than Europe..

But with the Euro imploding and Greece, Italy and Spain in serious financial trouble, the Euro leagues may be forced to cut back on salaries and perks.

Right now it probably looks better than before to European players to try the NBA.

[Spurs da champs]

I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to explore signing with the Spurs but it'll come down to money. If the Spurs decide to spend their money elsewhere (such as on Diaw), Lorkbek is unlikely to settle for scraps and would stay in Europe.

FWIW, I know the Spurs are pretty damn high on him. But still, they have a limited supply of money this offseason and there's no way to know how they are going to spend it right now.

What has he done to warrant MLE? He's a fucking 2nd round pick!

[Dr Cox]

What are Lorbek’s main skills? Another big shooter?

This season's offseason priorities IMO...

Whats best for the team (players you need to bring back)
1. Sign Duncan
2. Sign Diaw
3. Sign Green
4. Sign Lorbek

Where the money goes (who to pay first)
Diaw
Green
Duncan (pay him what he wants, hopefully it is enough to bring the two above back)
Lorbek (Get rid of Bonner or Blair and Anderson) {My pick is Bonner}

[ViceCity86]

http://http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

Spurs are at 48.2 million for next year.They will like to stay under the luxary tax of 70 million.
Sign Duncan for 10-12 mill
Sign Green for 4-6 mill
Decline Blair option
Let go of Anderson
Patty player option-likely to look for more money
Mills/Neal-Spurs cant keep both
Diaw/Lorbek-Spurs won't keep both.One is coming or going.
Bonner is under contract for 2 years.

[Budkin]

Trade him to the Rockets for cash.

[urunobili]

does he have a reliable 3 point shot?

[Kobayagi]

yes.

[Dr Cox]

If we sign Green for less, Hometown discount" can we bring in Diaw and Lorbek?


Neal isnt a free agent this year.

[ShoogarBear]

Bonner is more likely to retire a Spur than Duncan, Parker and Manu.

:rollin

[yavozerb]

http://http://hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

Spurs are at 48.2 million for next year.They will like to stay under the luxary tax of 70 million.
Sign Duncan for 10-12 mill
Sign Green for 4-6 mill
Decline Blair option
Let go of Anderson
Patty player option-likely to look for more money
Mills/Neal-Spurs cant keep both
Diaw/Lorbek-Spurs won't keep both.One is coming or going.
Bonner is under contract for 2 years.

Duncan for 10-12 sounds good
No way Spurs give Green more than his QO of 3 mil
Spurs should eaily be able to move Blair and his cheap contract if need be
Anderson is already gone
I think patty will get some contract offers this summer and will not be back
Neal is not going anywhere playing for peanuts
Diaw/Lorbek- I believe Lorbek come cheaper than most here think and I think its possible we could end up with both.
Bonner should be shopped and if no takers amnisteed.

[Kuestmaster]

Bonner contract isn't horrible, and I'm sure we can find a trade suitor for him paired with Blair or alone. A frontline next year of Timmy, Tiago, Diaw and Lorbek woulb be awesome...
But if I have to choose at this point I prefer to re-sign Diaw

[tesseractive]

If we sign Green for less, Hometown discount" can we bring in Diaw and Lorbek?


Neal isnt a free agent this year.

Even if we let Green walk, resigning Duncan puts us at or near the cap. In order to have enough cap to work with to matter, both Danny and Tim would need to sign for a combined $5-7 million, which is pretty obviously ludicrous scenario.

[Dr Cox]

Even if we let Green walk, resigning Duncan puts us at or near the cap. In order to have enough cap to work with to matter, both Danny and Tim would need to sign for a combined $5-7 million, which is pretty obviously ludicrous scenario.

I may be wayy wrong, but that math seems wrong but it really all depends on how much Duncan signs for.

You would think he is smart enough to try to keep the same team together and try to make another run at it.

[MannyIsGod]

Everyone is assuming Duncan will get a big deal but considering he's already committed to the Spurs then perhaps he's also committed to a very low deal. If the Spurs win the title this year then how likely is Duncan willing to be to sacrifice in attempt to get the only thing he doesn't have: a reapeat?

Everything is speculation at this point but I would not discount this being a plausible scenario.

[Mel_13]

Even if we let Green walk, resigning Duncan puts us at or near the cap. In order to have enough cap to work with to matter, both Danny and Tim would need to sign for a combined $5-7 million, which is pretty obviously ludicrous scenario.

That's why it isn't worth trying to figure out scenarios where the Spurs have cap space. If Duncan returns, assume that they won't.

The trick is staying far enough under the tax to be able to use the BAE and the non-taxpayer MLE.

[angelbelow]

Assuming that the Max salary cap is around $58million, the Spurs have 8 million to work with before going over. Once they are over, they rely on the MLE, LLE (is it still called this?), and minimum contracts.

If Duncan and Green sign for 5 Million combined, there is a realistic possibility we resign Diaw and bring on Lorbek. But 5 million for both, as Tesseractive accurately stated, is a ludicrous scenario.

[Knoxxx]

I think the consensus is that Lorbek would have to take the LLE of about $2 million per year, assuming Diaw gets the MLE. Not sure if we can give Lorbek part of the MLE in addition to the full LLE, should we not think Diaw is worth the whole thing.

Also amnesty Bonner seems plausible, then his $3.6 million next year does not count against the cap, and Shamsports is showing his $3.9 million in the following year as unguaranteed. Unless he picks up his play we may not see him back next year.

Another good option would be to amnesty Manu ($14 million) and use the money saved to sign Dwight Howard. We could then either discard Duncan or require him to play at the minimum salary.

Oops Howard has another year on his contract, my bad.

Are we allowed to tamper there and set up our Duncan succession plan? Some sort of under the table agreement perhaps?

[Dr Cox]

So is it safe to say Diaw and Duncan will be the two back?

Maybe Green if blair is gone and he signs cheap?

This is going to be an fun offseason : ) lol

[tesseractive]

Duncan for 10-12 sounds good
No way Spurs give Green more than his QO of 3 mil
Spurs should eaily be able to move Blair and his cheap contract if need be
Anderson is already gone
I think patty will get some contract offers this summer and will not be back
Neal is not going anywhere playing for peanuts
Diaw/Lorbek- I believe Lorbek come cheaper than most here think and I think its possible we could end up with both.
Bonner should be shopped and if no takers amnisteed.

Bonner is fairly cheap insurance against injury or against Lorbek taking time to adjust, and my guess is that he would be just fine playing a Sean Marks role if we don't need him for anything more. If we sign both Diaw and Lorbek, I have no problem keeping Matty around as a third stringer.

Honestly, I'm not sure what Mills's options are at this point. He looked interesting, but he played exclusively in garbage time, so I really don't have any idea what the market is like for his talents. If Mills walks, De Colo would be an interesting option, but Diaw + Lorbek + De Colo is probably not doable.

If we could find someone worthwhile, it would be interesting to have an athletic big with some defensive potential as a developmental project. But those guys don't exactly grow on trees, so who knows if we can find one.

[Knoxxx]

OK there were ten posts since I typed mine. Somewhere in here I think we need to mention having early Bird Rights on Green. I don't know all the particulars, but the qualifying offer of $3 million, and possibility of other teams matching up to $5 million (NBA average salary) may also be in play.

Chances for Green to come back look good to me, especially coming off the bad performance in game 1. We need him to play just well enough to win, 40% on 3s would be just about right, hit two per game and go 2 of 5 from downtown.

[Dr Cox]

We need green to simi-tank : )

[CGD]

Sorry if someone already mentioned this, but it looks like Sham has updated there salary info.: http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp No more RJ, SJax, Diaw, Mills added.

[CGD]

Damn, there is really limited cap space. Then again, the Spurs aren't missing many pieces at this point.

[Knoxxx]

Could be much worse, at least we don't have a subprime Kobe Bryant's contract crippling us to the tune of 2 years at $30 million per season.

[ViceCity86]

Sorry if someone already mentioned this, but it looks like Sham has updated there salary info.: http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/spurs.jsp No more RJ, SJax, Diaw, Mills added.

This is more updated than hoopshype.

[Beaverfuzz]

fuck him.

[tesseractive]

Damn, there is really limited cap space. Then again, the Spurs aren't missing many pieces at this point.

That's the saving grace in all this. If all we do next year is resign our current roster, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Our current roster is presently tearing up the league.

[ViceCity86]

I believe you can offer a player full MLE to Lorbek
if you are under luxury cap(70 mill)

I think we have enough money to sign our key players.Maybe Diaw and Lorbek.

[tesseractive]

I believe you can offer a player full MLE to Lorbek
if you are under luxury cap(70 mill)

I think we have enough money to sign our key players.Maybe Diaw and Lorbek.

If we want to resign Diaw, we will have to use the MLE on him, so it won't be available for Lorbek.

[Mal]

resign Diaw for 18 mil / 4 yrs. Rest of MLE use on Lorbek for 3 years. Dont know what to do with Danny Green

[dunkman]

I tend to think, that if the Spurs plan to contend for the 'ship the next season too, and want to continue making the playoffs once Duncan and Manu retire, they have to find the way to keep Green, Diaw and sign Lorbek, after re-signing Duncan. The team has to continue improving, Miami and others will certainly add some peaces.

Adding talent would also put the Spurs in a position to pull a trade to land a franchise player and still have enough talent afterwards.

[100%duncan]

If he's okay with a small salary then why not? Personally, I'd still choose Diaw over him and if he asks for more money then better pass it.

[Kuestmaster]

Lorbek is killing it in the Spanish finals. It'd be so awesome if he is really coming next year.

[Kuestmaster]

Lorbek MVP

[sisibilio]

How much money could we offer him considering that TD will eat all the cap space ?

2y/2.5m right (new exception for teams with cap space) ?

Does he get more than that in Europe?He can get wice as much at least if he signed a new contract with Barcelona or any other top team.

[weebo]

Wasn't splitter "killing it" in the spanish league at one time too?

[tesseractive]

He can get wice as much at least if he signed a new contract with Barcelona or any other top team.

The value in coming to the NBA is on the back side: sign a small contract up front, then sign a big one in 3 years once your team has Bird rights. At that point, if you're good enough, you can make far more in the NBA.

[sisibilio]

The value in coming to the NBA is on the back side: sign a small contract up front, then sign a big one in 3 years once your team has Bird rights. At that point, if you're good enough, you can make far more in the NBA.
Of course, that's a good reasoning when you are 22 or 23 but he's 28 and, even if he succeeds, market value is not the same for a 30 YO than for a 25 YO palyer.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

He can get wice as much at least if he signed a new contract with Barcelona or any other top team.

He'll eventually get it in the NBA, but he's not getting any younger. His window of opportunity is closing.

[sisibilio]

Wasn't splitter "killing it" in the spanish league at one time too?
Right. So?
I'd say he's fared pretty good in the NBA whenever he's been given a chance. If only he could hit 60-65% of his FT.

[tesseractive]

Of course, that's a good reasoning when you are 22 or 23 but he's 28 and, even if he succeeds, market value is not the same for a 30 YO than for a 25 YO palyer.

Absolutely true. And having just won the title for Real Madrid and an MVP award to go with it, that will make it harder to bring him in for what we can afford to pay him.

But lots of guys have come over later in their careers -- Oberto, for example. Some of them want to take their shot at the brightest spotlight at all. Some of them don't.

Either way, I seriously doubt that we will offer him a contract this summer starting at what he could be making at Real Madrid. It's up to him to decide what he wants to do.

Personally, I'm still holding out hope that there's some way we can split the midlevel between Diaw and Lorbek, but that may no longer be possible.

[BackHome]

I don't know about Europe all I can say that Spain is close to ending up like Greece. We will see how things are going to turn for Spain in the next couple of weeks but it is looking very bad for that country.

[SpurPadre]

I guess it's just me but I don't want the team to pin its title hopes next year on a 28 year old rookie from overseas (he'll also be 29 next season). Oberto was able to hitch a ride on TD and Manu in their primes but they're no longer at a stage where they can do that for Lorbek. Even if that guy is the goods, do we really want to gamble on that right now? It's a big risk to take. I'd rather just focus on Diaw and the possibilities of getting Batum (I know, I'm the only one here who wants him) and/or amnestying the fuck out of Bonner and luring some other PROVEN quality player somehow.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I guess it's just me but I don't want the team to pin its title hopes next year on a 28 year old rookie from overseas (he'll also be 29 next season). Oberto was able to hitch a ride on TD and Manu in their primes but they're no longer at a stage where they can do that for Lorbek. Even if that guy is the goods, do we really want to gamble on that right now? It's a big risk to take. I'd rather just focus on Diaw and the possibilities of getting Batum (I know, I'm the only one here who wants him) and/or amnestying the fuck out of Bonner and luring some other PROVEN quality player somehow.

Batum isn't coming, and Diaw is more of a hybrid big. Bonner and Splitter have both proven to be playoff marshmallows. I don't think this guy could be any worse, and since he can actually shoot, he may be able to stay on the floor, something Splitter was never able to do.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I guess it's just me but I don't want the team to pin its title hopes next year on a 28 year old rookie from overseas (he'll also be 29 next season). Oberto was able to hitch a ride on TD and Manu in their primes but they're no longer at a stage where they can do that for Lorbek. Even if that guy is the goods, do we really want to gamble on that right now? It's a big risk to take. I'd rather just focus on Diaw and the possibilities of getting Batum (I know, I'm the only one here who wants him) and/or amnestying the fuck out of Bonner and luring some other PROVEN quality player somehow.

Of course you're the only one who wants Batum - the rest of us realize the Spurs already have two small forwards (Leonard and Buckets), and know we need a big man.

Maybe you can join the rest of us in that reality.

[Paranoid Pop]

Of course you're the only one who wants Batum - the rest of us realize the Spurs already have two small forwards (Leonard and Buckets), and know we need a big man.

Maybe you can join the rest of us in that reality.

He's not alone, I'm completely with SpursPadre on that one. We won't get anything better than an eventual Diaw/Lorbek combo at PF, Diaw bar none would be fine too, it doesn't really matter because Lorbek most likely isn't a game changer. Now if we get a significant upgrade for Green in Batum, we get stronger, maybe strong enough.

If you want to start trading players left and right to gamble for a PF that won't complement Tim as well as Boris it's fine, but it's not the consensus.

We had a strong team, just fine tune it. Back up PG = anyone but Neal. Back up or starting SG = Batum for Green. Back up PF = Lorbek for Bonner.

That team is a legit contender if Tim plays as well as he did this season.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

He's not alone, I'm completely with SpursPadre on that one. We won't get anything better than an eventual Diaw/Lorbek combo at PF, Diaw bar none would be fine too, it doesn't really matter because Lorbek most likely isn't a game changer. Now if we get a significant upgrade for Green in Batum, we get stronger, maybe strong enough.

If you want to start trading players left and right to gamble for a PF that won't complement Tim as well as Boris it's fine, but it's not the consensus.

We had a strong team, just fine tune it. Back up PG = anyone but Neal. Back up or starting SG = Batum for Green. Back up PF = Lorbek for Bonner.

That team is a legit contender if Tim plays as well as he did this season.
Unfortunately for your scenario, young master Batum wants to get paid. He turned down an offer of over $6M/yr from Portland, and we can't even offer him that and keep Diaw and get Lorbek. The latter two will require every bit of the MLE and the newer 2 yr LLE. Batum is also restricted. Forget Nic Batum. He isn't coming.

[BackHome]

Add to the fact the he is just a above average player......no way is he as good as he think he is.

[therealtruth]

Wasn't splitter "killing it" in the spanish league at one time too?

He was killing it this season before he got injured.

[Knoxxx]

I believe we can split up some of the LLE and MLE between Lorbek and Diaw. After Diaw flamed out in the playoffs along with Green, those two should take a market value hit.

I think De Colo is possible at the league minimum.

The big play will then be to offload Bonner, via either amnesty or trade.

Splitter and Neal will be decent trade bait, but we'll need a shot blocker and/or true big to part with Splitter. Richards perhaps would come cheap, the UK guy.

I'm sure my ideas are full of holes, but that is what I am thinking right now.

As much as a trade or amnesty of S Jax contract makes financial sense (and possibly more so Manu), I think we can all agree that would go over like a lead balloon for team and fan morale, those guys are warriors and deserve another run. They could also be nice pieces for the next several years in the $5 million per range.

All in all I like our ability to build around a lower priced veteran core the next few years. I may have to spreadsheet that out even!

[SenorSpur]

I believe Lorbek is coming to the Spurs. What really made think this was when he decided not to play for Slovenia in the Olympics because he had "Other Plans" for the Summer, which could very well mean signing with the Spurs and playing Summer League balls and working with the coaches to get integrated into the Spurs system.

After making that announcement, he only extended his stay at Barca to the end of this season, which ends in May/June I Believe, and they wanted to lock him up for a longer contract.

Lorbek is a better version of Bonner, I would actually put him close to the same level as a heathly Okur. He would really help the Spurs out. If the Spurs sign him, I think that Blair would be the one to go. The guy can shoot from anywhere on the court despite what people say, he is a physical player.

A frontcourt rotation of Duncan, Splitter, Bonner and Lorbek would be solid for the next 2-3 years.

Disagree completely. The frontcourt rotation is flawed mainly because Duncan's superstar-level abilities have declined, but also because the rest of rotation cannot help offset that decline by helping with some of the heavy lifting. The quintessential example of such in Bonner. His skill limitations have only been compounded by his perennial playoff choking.

The Spurs cannot honestly bring Lorbek onto the roster and keep Bonner around - especially because they are, as you say, so similar. The Spurs despearately need to upgrade the frontcourt by infusing it with some youth, athleticism, rebounding and shotblocking capabilities. Having two guys of limited skill sets gets you nowhere. As such, if Lorbek is coming, Bonner needs to be the first to go. If the Spurs can then draft a young, aggressive big in the second round, I have not problem with them moving on from Blair too. Resigning Diaw, adding Lorbek and a young ass-kicking PF/C type would the best way to go.

[spurraider21]

Lorbek is nice offensively, but he's not much of a defender. A softer Tiago on D

[montgod]

Disagree completely. The frontcourt rotation is flawed mainly because Duncan's superstar-level abilities have declined, but also because the rest of rotation cannot help offset that decline by helping with some of the heavy lifting. The quintessential example of such in Bonner. His skill limitations have only been compounded by his perennial playoff choking.

The Spurs cannot honestly bring Lorbek onto the roster and keep Bonner around - especially because they are, as you say, so similar. The Spurs despearately need to upgrade the frontcourt by infusing it with some youth, athleticism, rebounding and shotblocking capabilities. Having two guys of limited skill sets gets you nowhere. As such, if Lorbek is coming, Bonner needs to be the first to go. If the Spurs can then draft a young, aggressive big in the second round, I have not problem with them moving on from Blair too. Resigning Diaw, adding Lorbek and a young ass-kicking PF/C type would the best way to go.

Agree completely!

[ElNono]

tbh, I haven't seen a lot of him, but what I've seen, he looks like another unathletic white stiff with a jumpshot. Not too high on this guy and Splitter being the front court of the future for the Spurs...

[Duncan2177]

Lorbek is nice offensively, but he's not much of a defender. A softer Tiago on D

That's the last thing this team needs is another soft big.

[tesseractive]

That's the last thing this team needs is another soft big.

If you think of him as an improved (taller, has a post game, possibly better defense) version of Matt Bonner that doesn't fall apart in pressure situations, you'll have your expectations properly tempered.

Even a just-as-crappy-on-defense Matt Bonner whose balls didn't shrivel up in the playoffs would have been of enormous value vs. OKC.

[Texas_Ranger]

Lorbek is much better than Splitter. Splitter can score just when someone passes him the ball from a pick n roll and he's wide open. His back to the basket game is also not really that great and he can't create his own shot. He's also very soft and scared of pressure situations. After all this I still like him, much more than Bonner who should never ever play in a Spurs uniform, but we all know that already.
Lorbek's got a lot of moves on offense. He can shoot from everywhere, he can post up, he can create his own shot, he's got some nice spin moves and most important he's not scare of pressure. I would even say that he's better than Diaw, but first he must prove that. The perfect scenario would be if we could bring back Boris, sign Lorbek and amnesty Matthew.

[TimDunkem]

He'll make the team even better, but what we need is a go-to scorer who doesn't shrivel up when the rest of the team isn't producing.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

He'll make the team even better, but what we need is a go-to scorer who doesn't shrivel up when the rest of the team isn't producing.

Actually, we don't need (and aren't likely to get) that at all. Those guys don't grow on trees, and aren't likely to be available for what we have to offer, asset-wise.

What we need are role players who aren't afraid, and can rest our "go to" guys without coughing up huge leads to the opposing bench. We lost three of the games to OKC by like 5,7, and 8 points, and our bench completely disappeared.

[TimDunkem]

Actually, we don't need (and aren't likely to get) that at all. Those guys don't grow on trees, and aren't likely to be available for what we have to offer, asset-wise.
That goes without saying. We're just not going anywhere with Tony Parker as our best player.

[Knoxxx]

Lorbek is much better than Splitter. Splitter can score just when someone passes him the ball from a pick n roll and he's wide open. His back to the basket game is also not really that great and he can't create his own shot. He's also very soft and scared of pressure situations. After all this I still like him, much more than Bonner who should never ever play in a Spurs uniform, but we all know that already.
Lorbek's got a lot of moves on offense. He can shoot from everywhere, he can post up, he can create his own shot, he's got some nice spin moves and most important he's not scare of pressure. I would even say that he's better than Diaw, but first he must prove that. The perfect scenario would be if we could bring back Boris, sign Lorbek and amnesty Matthew.

Please explain to me how someone can play basketball for years and earn millions of dollars doing it, yet can't make a simple mid range jumpshot, at a high rate when open? That applies to both Splitter and Blair. Either could be beasts with a reliable jumper that they could force other teams to honor and pump fake and drive to the basket off of.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

That goes without saying. We're just not going anywhere with Tony Parker as our best player.

Then we're done.

I disagree, though. Tony didn't lose us the OKC series, our bench did.

[Knoxxx]

Green went cold at the most inopportune time no doubt, but when a young player is pulled immediately for missing one shot I can't get on board with that approach. It was a shame since he had a story book season until the OKC series. Pop should return his COY for allowing Bonner as many minutes as he did, when one could argue he never should have stepped on the court. Neal was over relied upon, and Splitter/Blair were mismanaged in the end. Giving up on Blair completely down the stretch and heading into the series was a mistake, IMO, and Pop's Splitter tantrum was perhaps his worst coaching moment.

So actually I am blaming Pop a bit more than the bench players. While they could have performed better, I think Pop's approach to roster and bench player management was his worst of the season against OKC.

Back to Lorbek, which I almost forgot was the point of this thread. We need another big that has range and more size than Bonner. I am anxious to see what Lorbek can do in a Spurs uniform, and would rather see him on the roster than Diaw, if it comes to that.

Some recent Tweets:

has been one of the best players in the Euroleague. Looks like a clear-cut NBA rotation big man. Super skilled inside & out.
2012-02-18 12:23:32
DraftExpress: Erazem Lorbek starting to heat up now. Spurs are out here in full force and are hot on his trail supposedly trying to get him for 2012-13.
2012-02-18 12:18:42

From DraftExpress.com

The only knock I hear is on his quickness. Well Diaw and Bonner aren't all that quick either.

One thing I am not sure about is his size. Height is listed at 6-10.75, which if barefoot could make him a half inch taller than Splitter. If that is in shoes, he could be an inch shorter than Splitter, who is 3/4 inch shorter than Duncan.

[dunkman]

I think that if the Spurs can't sign an all-star bigman, besides Duncan, they should add Lorbek. Duncan, Diaw, Splitter and Lorbek would be an very versatile rotation. Bonner and Blair are mostly regular season players. Lorbek can streach the floor, play inside, anchor the defense too. Basically, he could play with any big. Bringing him is a no brainer tbh.

[Knoxxx]

Here is another quote I found on Lorbek:

Lorbek has a face-up game and can shoot off the dribble with apparent ease. He is one of the best back-to-the-basket players in Europe right now, with finesse moves around the rim and great shooting range.

Basically everything Splitter/Bonner/Diaw are not. I think we need to get this guy, and hopefully he is only 1/4 inch shorter than Duncan. Then I can see him upgrading our interior defense also.

I found this video on You Tube and made a few notes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGL9QhhoW7k&feature=related

• Can score off the dribble
• Strong ball handler
• Great shooting touch from anywhere on the court
• Nice one handed shots in the post, hook, floater you name it
• More than decent passer
• Does not back down from contact
• Can draw shooting fouls and make the shot for an and 1
• Can face up and shoot over other players and with a hand in his face
• Will block a few shots
• Always moving without the ball and looking to get open
• Deadly jump shot out to 3 PT range off pick and roll
• Smart team player
• Great pump fakes to get shot off against shot blockers in the paint
• Will abuse smaller players on defense by posting them up or shooting over them
• Scorer’s mentality

I realize these were highlights and this is not NBA competition, but in the Spurs system I think he would thrive, and especially playing with Duncan.

[SenorSpur]

Lorbek is much better than Splitter. Splitter can score just when someone passes him the ball from a pick n roll and he's wide open. His back to the basket game is also not really that great and he can't create his own shot. He's also very soft and scared of pressure situations. After all this I still like him, much more than Bonner who should never ever play in a Spurs uniform, but we all know that already.
Lorbek's got a lot of moves on offense. He can shoot from everywhere, he can post up, he can create his own shot, he's got some nice spin moves and most important he's not scare of pressure. I would even say that he's better than Diaw, but first he must prove that. The perfect scenario would be if we could bring back Boris, sign Lorbek and amnesty Matthew.

^ This.

While I highly doubt the Spurs will amnesty Bonner, (that goes against their standard operating philosophy), I think it's more realistic and economically feasible for them to explore various trade options for him - possibly Blair too.

Allow me to expand upon your perfect scenario for the frontcourt. Resign Duncan. Resign Boris. Sign Lorbek. Trade Bonner for an early second round pick. With that early second round pick, select an ass-kicking PF, such as Kyle O'Quinn, Bernard James, Henry Sims or Robert Sacre. That would diversify the skill set and shore up the frontline immediately.

[dunkman]

^ This.

While I highly doubt the Spurs will amnesty Bonner, (that goes against their standard operating philosophy), I think it's more realistic and economically feasible for them to explore various trade options for him - possibly Blair too.

Allow me to expand upon your perfect scenario for the frontcourt. Resign Duncan. Resign Boris. Sign Lorbek. Trade Bonner for an early second round pick. With that early second round pick, select an ass-kicking PF, such as Kyle O'Quinn, Bernard James, Henry Sims or Robert Sacre. That would diversify the skill set and shore up the frontline immediately.

With the roster improvements RC made the previous off-season, the Spurs were near reaching the finals. They just have to continue improving. The Spurs need a good backup PG, hopefully Mills and DeColo can perform better than Neal. The other problem is that Bonner simply disappears in the playoffs, Lorbek should be a much better player for that role tbh.

[temujin]

Wasn't splitter "killing it" in the spanish league at one time too?

Yes, and it was against Lorbek.

[temujin]

Loebek is a fine player.
The Center version of Beno Udrih.

[temujin]

Here is another quote I found on Lorbek:

Lorbek has a face-up game and can shoot off the dribble with apparent ease. He is one of the best back-to-the-basket players in Europe right now, with finesse moves around the rim and great shooting range.

Basically everything Splitter/Bonner/Diaw are not. I think we need to get this guy, and hopefully he is only 1/4 inch shorter than Duncan. Then I can see him upgrading our interior defense also.

I found this video on You Tube and made a few notes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGL9QhhoW7k&feature=related

• Can score off the dribble
• Strong ball handler
• Great shooting touch from anywhere on the court
• Nice one handed shots in the post, hook, floater you name it
• More than decent passer
• Does not back down from contact
• Can draw shooting fouls and make the shot for an and 1
• Can face up and shoot over other players and with a hand in his face
• Will block a few shots
• Always moving without the ball and looking to get open
• Deadly jump shot out to 3 PT range off pick and roll
• Smart team player
• Great pump fakes to get shot off against shot blockers in the paint
• Will abuse smaller players on defense by posting them up or shooting over them
• Scorer’s mentality

I realize these were highlights and this is not NBA competition, but in the Spurs system I think he would thrive, and especially playing with Duncan.

I agree.
Lorbek will be fine playing the Bonner role.
Spurs will win a lot of RS games and then disappear -earlier- in the Playoffs.

Seen this movie already.

[BackHome]

So then who do you want us to get?

Dude Beno had no heart he was all flash and no show the opposite of Lobrek.

[ace3g]

I agree.
Lorbek will be fine playing the Bonner role.
Spurs will win a lot of RS games and then disappear -earlier- in the Playoffs.

Seen this movie already.

Can't compare the 2 in terms of "clutch gene". Hell Bonner can't even hit big shots in the regular season. I mentioned it in the think tank, if the Spurs sign him, early on in the season run plays for him for last second shots when the team is down, see how he handles the pressure. I still have yet to see Bonner hit a big 3 (even in reg season) when the Spurs are losing.

[dunkman]

Tbh Splitter was killing it before his injury. I will wait another playoffs to write him off. While Manu had two good games vs OKC (1 and 5), neither him recovered completely.

[dunkman]

The Spurs don't have lottery picks, so they would need to be really lucky to draft an athletic talented bigman. The only way would be to sign one like NYC signed Chandler or the Pacers West, that was with +10M multi-years contracts. Or with a trade. Until something of that happens, the Spurs should add talented bigs, Splitter and Lorbek fit the bill.

That being said, the big 3 deserve their +10M contracts. Unlike RJ, Jack is worth his contract, but imo the Spurs would be a better team with an all-star big, Duncan, Parker and only one swing all-star player.

[therealtruth]

Please explain to me how someone can play basketball for years and earn millions of dollars doing it, yet can't make a simple mid range jumpshot, at a high rate when open? That applies to both Splitter and Blair. Either could be beasts with a reliable jumper that they could force other teams to honor and pump fake and drive to the basket off of.

I've seen videos of Splitter knocking that shot down in Spain. I'm not sure what happened. It's almost the same thing this season. He was showing a developing post game but now he's just a pick and roll guy.

[dunkman]

Folks that grow like Splitter usually have some hormonal disorder and aren't that coordinated. Few grow to 7' without known reason, that players shot fine from anywhere. It's better that Splitter shots near the basket, layups and dunks, those are high % shots for him. He probably can shot mid range jumpers, but at very low fg% compared to a guard.

[BackHome]

Is it just me or any big other then Duncan Pop just doesn't know how to coach them. I would love for us to bring some coach heck Kareem over someone who has played the position to be on our coaching staff.

[Prime Time]

Is it just me or any big other then Duncan Pop just doesn't know how to coach them. I would love for us to bring some coach heck Kareem over someone who has played the position to be on our coaching staff.

Don't we have NBA Legend Sean Marks? :downspin:

[therealtruth]

Is it just me or any big other then Duncan Pop just doesn't know how to coach them. I would love for us to bring some coach heck Kareem over someone who has played the position to be on our coaching staff.

I agree. Duncan is not even a good example since he stayed in college.

[Penya]

Mundo Deportivo, a newspaper of Barcelona, after an interview with FCB's GM, FCB's coach and Navarro (captain), will publish tomorrow on their cover "Lorbek will play in San Antonio".

PS- Mundo Deportivo has ALWAYS great leaks and their journalists are close to the organization.

[tesseractive]

Is it just me or any big other then Duncan Pop just doesn't know how to coach them. I would love for us to bring some coach heck Kareem over someone who has played the position to be on our coaching staff.

The way you get young bigs with a good chance to develop is with lottery picks or thereabouts. The Spurs' perennial terrible draft position means we haven't had the chance to draft one since Tim. Our inability to develop second rounders and other teams' castoffs says more about the quality of those players than about our coaching, imo.

[BackHome]

The way you get young bigs with a good chance to develop is with lottery picks or thereabouts. The Spurs' perennial terrible draft position means we haven't had the chance to draft one since Tim. Our inability to develop second rounders and other teams' castoffs says more about the quality of those players than about our coaching, imo.

I think if you poll SpursTalk you would get about 70% people saying Pop doesn't know what the fck to do with Spitter. I don't see him helping him, I don't see him coaching him, I don't see him running plays for him, I don't see him building his confidence up.

I did see him on national TV making an ass out of himself.

[ace3g]

Mundo Deportivo, a newspaper of Barcelona, after an interview with FCB's GM, FCB's coach and Navarro (captain), will publish tomorrow on their cover "Lorbek will play in San Antonio".

PS- Mundo Deportivo has ALWAYS great leaks and their journalists are close to the organization.

Thanks for the info

bottom center:

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg822/scaled.php?tn=0&server=822&filename=6s0b.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

[Penya]

Thanks for the info

bottom center:

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg822/scaled.php?tn=0&server=822&filename=6s0b.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Bottom right: The best ad you'll ever see in a newspaper cover:lol

[dunkman]

Well, that makes sense tbh. The Spurs have to improve a lot to make another run next season.

[Legacy]

Bottom right: The best ad you'll ever see in a newspaper cover:lol

And you live in Spain? That ad ain't nuthin'... :lol

[kaji157]

Great addition, at leat that makes a reliable big man that has the whole package and can hit the 3. Let´s see his adaptation, but if he can be our very own Mehmet Okur, that would be bye bye Bonner.

[Leftyventricle]

http://www.projectspurs.com/2012-articles/june/report-lorbek-coming-to-san-antonio.html

According to the Spanish Newspaper Mundo Deportivo, San Antonio Spurs' Erazem Lorbek will be making his way to the Spurs this coming season. A resident from Spain, @DudaSun, sent this picture from today's newspaper in Spain that states Lorbek is coming to San Antonio (lower corner text).
The Spanish resident sent this message to my twitter account.

Mundo Deportivo, a newspaper of Barcelona, after an interview with their GM 'Lorbek will play in San Antonio'.

The source states that the GM of FCB Regal, where Lorbek just won a championship, has stated that Lorbek is definitely making his way across the pond to play for the Spurs. Now comes the question if the Spurs will be able to sign him and at what cost seeing how they have current free agents to take care of such as Tim Duncan, Danny Green, and Gary Neal.

Be sure to return to Project Spurs later where we'll have more information on the growing story of Lorbek coming to San Antonio.

[Leetonidas]

Hope he doesn't suck. Can't be worse than Bonner

[Prime Time]

Hope he actually spreads the floor when it matters!

[stxspurs]

i still dont see Pop getting rid of Bonner....the ginger suck will continue.

[TD 21]

On the one hand, this is great news. A skilled, in his prime, 6-10 or 11 guy, who can score inside and out. On the other hand, what does this mean for Diaw? And whether they can retain Diaw, while simultaneously adding him or not (a difficult proposition, I know), how does he fit?

Given his size, coupled with his lack of athleticism and mobility, I'd be very surprised if they viewed him as anything other than almost strictly a center. But this team has the second best duo at center in the league (to the Lakers) and doesn't need to get any less athletic and mobile amongst its bigs. In fact, their biggest need is just that; an athletic, mobile big.

Most have figured out that Blair is probably going to be dealt at the draft, but there's got to be more to this. As in, either Bonner or Splitter is being traded, as well. Otherwise, I'm not entirely sure how this makes sense.

[Knoxxx]

I think we can split lle and mle between diaw and lorbek. Previous thought that diaw gets full mle less likely after his play against Okc. Someone else will have to overpay to get diaw which seems unlikely.

[Knoxxx]

Lle may now have a diff name and or be a biannual exception.

[TD 21]

I think we can split lle and mle between diaw and lorbek. Previous thought that diaw gets full mle less likely after his play against Okc. Someone else will have to overpay to get diaw which seems unlikely.

I wouldn't completely rule it out either. It's definitely highly unlikely, but it was just two short years ago that everyone was stunned at how little they got Splitter to sign for and Splitter was a better prospect than Lorbek is. They might be able to pull off Diaw for $3 million and Lorbek for $2 million.

As I alluded to though, even if they can pull that off and trade Blair or Bonner, the pieces don't really fit and they won't have addressed their need. All they'll have done is add a skilled big, who doesn't figure to play much with either of their two best bigs and their two best bigs already play sparingly together. It doesn't add up.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I wouldn't completely rule it out either. It's definitely highly unlikely, but it was just two short years ago that everyone was stunned at how little they got Splitter to sign for and Splitter was a better prospect than Lorbek is. They might be able to pull off Diaw for $3 million and Lorbek for $2 million.

As I alluded to though, even if they can pull that off and trade Blair or Bonner, the pieces don't really fit and they won't have addressed their need. All they'll have done is add a skilled big, who doesn't figure to play much with either of their two best bigs and their two best bigs already play sparingly together. It doesn't add up.

That's because you don't see the whole picture yet. Draft night will tell the tale. If the Spurs appear to be signing a surplus of whatever, count on that surplus not being around for too long.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Lle may now have a diff name and or be a biannual exception.

Whatever it's called, we have it this coming season. We didn't use any exceptions except minimum salary ones this year for Diaw and Mills.

[024]

at least his hook shots look better than splitter's

[JustinJDW]

Awesome news.

[024]

i would be very excited if the spurs manage to keep diaw and also sign lorbek. that means they can then unload the dead weight of bonner and keep blair as insurance. sadly, the spurs can probably only get one and some team is bound to overpay diaw.

[Andthentherewas21]

Good news though I still have my reservations. He still needs to prove he can do it at the NBA level, or else he will be the latest in the Spurs euro-league saviors that have come up short.

[ace3g]

Lorbek has decided to go to the Spurs next season


Erazem Lorbek will not play in Regal Barca next season, but will do in the San Antonio Spurs, the NBA team that has rights since last year.

The Slovenian power forward will jump to the best league in the world at full maturity (28 years) and after becoming the last three years at the club in one of the best players are in Europe, as has been endorsed this season with inclusion in the ideal team in the Euroleague trophy and the MVP of the recent League final Endesa.

Although the final agreement with the Spurs is not signed, it is still playing in the NBA playoffs and the deadline for such operations is not open yet, the understanding between Lorbek and Texas franchise is total and absolute.

The Slovenian power forward will join a group in which pivots are like Tim Duncan or Tiago Splitter, another star of the Spanish league that made the leap to American competition.

For Barca, low Lorbek is more than important, because right now there are no players in Europe with its quality. The Catalan club weeks ago and is considering various options to fill a void that will be very large. Remember that in the Barcelona box just four pivots contract this summer.

Besides Lorbek does Fran Vazquez, who is trying to convince the club that follow. And also end its contractual relationship Boniface Ndong and Kosta Perovic, although in the latter case the club has the option to unilaterally renew.

In both cases the tying interest or not depends on whether the club can be found in the 'market' or better parts fit or if their characteristics are compatible with the other players who fichen in the interior positions.

The possible departure to the NBA Lorbek, who played one season in the NCAA (Michigan State University) and is fluent in English, was something that had been rumored. In late April, Greg Popovich, Spurs coach, dropped in an interview without being asked for it, that "Kawhi Leonard (rookie already in the Spurs) and our tall boy of Europe are going to help. "

Immediately everybody thought Lorbek and days after the Web 'Tubasket' reported that the player was preparing to land in the NBA. All this has finally been confirmed and Slovenia will play the coming weeks in the best league in the world. It is definitely the logical destination of an MVP.

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120619/baloncesto/acb/lorbek-tiene-decidido-irse-san-antonio-spurs-proxima-temporada_54314079503.html

*someone can check translation

[slick'81]

spurs allready working on that front court

[Spursfanfromafar]

Lorbek has decided to go to the Spurs next season

http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20120619/baloncesto/acb/lorbek-tiene-decidido-irse-san-antonio-spurs-proxima-temporada_54314079503.html

*someone can check translation

While if this is true (and the possibility is high), it is a great news.. I would advise that Mundodeportivo and other sport "tabloids" in Spain have to be read with a load of salt. They are sport "dailies" who come up with regular doses of transfer information (without adequate quotes or sources) just to fill up their pages regularly. Marca, AS, Mundo Deportivo and Sport are all masters in this daily game - which is actually quite unethical, but such is journalism these days.

So while Lorbek might indeed be headed towards the Spurs or is inclined to do so, this batch of news - without adequate confirmation - might be the figment of one writer's views as much as ours are.

[ChumpDumper]

I wouldn't completely rule it out either. It's definitely highly unlikely, but it was just two short years ago that everyone was stunned at how little they got Splitter to sign for and Splitter was a better prospect than Lorbek is. They might be able to pull off Diaw for $3 million and Lorbek for $2 million.

As I alluded to though, even if they can pull that off and trade Blair or Bonner, the pieces don't really fit and they won't have addressed their need. All they'll have done is add a skilled big, who doesn't figure to play much with either of their two best bigs and their two best bigs already play sparingly together. It doesn't add up.You're not making any sense. Lorbek and Diaw could play with either Duncan or Splitter. It's Duncan and Splitter who can't play together.

[Penya]

While if this is true (and the possibility is high), it is a great news.. I would advise that Mundodeportivo and other sport "tabloids" in Spain have to be read with a load of salt. They are sport "dailies" who come up with regular doses of transfer information (without adequate quotes or sources) just to fill up their pages regularly. Marca, AS, Mundo Deportivo and Sport are all masters in this daily game - which is actually quite unethical, but such is journalism these days.

True. But they bring that transfer information usually about soccer, there isn't much speculation about basketball. Basketball journalists in Sport and Mundo Deportivo are close to Barcelona's FO.

When it comes to Marca and Real Madrid transfering and signing soccer players it's different.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Did anyone read the comments at the bottom of the page? (Link) A lot of his European fans see him as playing no more than 15 minutes and being nothing more than a role player. They all sound skeptical at best, they seem to think he is much better suited for European ball. This guy should stay put. Spurs fans are in fools gold mode again. The truth is there is no easy fix for this team. I admit, I am discouraged. I thought this guy would be a good player for us, now I'm not convinced.

[Buddy Holly]

Did anyone read the comments at the bottom of the page? (Link) A lot of his European fans see him as playing no more than 15 minutes and being nothing more than a role player. They all sound skeptical at best, they seem to think he is much better suited for European ball. This guy should stay put. Spurs fans are in fools gold mode again. The truth is there is no easy fix for this team. I admit, I am discouraged. I thought this guy would be a good player for us, now I'm not convinced.

You're a moron. Seriously.

I say this not because of anything substantial but because you seem to greatly value the opinions of people posting in the comments section of a website. You understand that they know about how well his game will translate to the NBA as we on Spurstalk do. Who knows what fuels their opinions? Could they be bitter and angry that a top euro player is leaving for the NBA. Who knows? Who cares? Just stop being a moron.

[angelbelow]

You're not making any sense. Lorbek and Diaw could play with either Duncan or Splitter. It's Duncan and Splitter who can't play together.

Offensively speaking, they probably could.

But it'll be interesting to see how Lorbek and Duncan work together defensively.

We'll see if he actually comes :lol

[racm]

Anyone but Bonner imo

[Beanzamillion21]

Can E-Lo even dunk?

[Venti Quattro]

God damn it don't steal Lorbek from Barcelona Regal!

[kaji157]

Can E-Lo even dunk?

Yes, he does have a very good vertical, he´s not Splitter on that one. My doub´t if he can hold himself against heavier opponents as he seems quite skinny.

[benefactor]

E-Lo
don't

[Beanzamillion21]

don't

I'm telling you, its gonna be everywhere. I can hear the chants echoing through the halls and corridors of the AT&T center now. E-Lo -- E- Lo-- E-Lo!!!

[Venti Quattro]

E-lo ranking lol

[temujin]

Lorbek is a good player. Very good, actually.
Who had his best season ever, ending up in Euroleague top 5.
When the Spurs traded Hill, I thought initially it was for him, not Leonard.
Perfect timing for him to get a nice NBA contract.
I am warning you though, if you are looking for toughness, Lorbek is the wrong address.

As for the Spurs, he is not a superstar, nor American.
It couldn't be any more clear to me after the WCF, that the NBA is a superstar-driven league and a superstar, preferably a new and marketable superstar, is strictly required to even make it to the Finals.
Indeed, a squad like the Spurs that played textbook basketball, to be shown in clinics, was booted because of that very simple reason.

With Lorbek, Spurs fans will enjoy some more excellent basketball in the RS and possibly playoffs, and will be upset again when Stern -and the Kennedys and Crawford of this world- will decide that the Paul-Griffin timing has come.

Life is simple.

[ChumpDumper]

Offensively speaking, they probably could.

But it'll be interesting to see how Lorbek and Duncan work together defensively.True, they could be too slow to play together much, but we'd have to see. That's why Diaw would be kept and hopefully a young athletic big man would be found to replace Blair and/or Bonner.

[SenorSpur]

If Lorbek comes, Bonner has to go. The last thing the Spurs need is a more advanced version of Bonner.

Being that Lorbek has honed his skills in the European league, I can't envision him being the clutch time choker that Bonner is. Still, there's no room for having two guys with the same unathletic skill set on the roster.

[tesseractive]

If Lorbek comes, Bonner has to go. The last thing the Spurs need is a more advanced version of Bonner.

Being that Lorbek has honed his skills in the European league, I can't envision him being the clutch time choker that Bonner is. Still, there's no room for having two guys with the same unathletic skill set on the roster.

There would only be two reasons to keep Bonner at that point:

(1) To give Lorbek time to adapt to the system and ease him into the rotation gradually. Only one of them should get PT, but we could keep the other on the inactive list.

(2) Because he's untradeable without giving up assets, so it's easier to ride out the year with him permanently on the inactive list than it is to dump him.

I could live with either scenario, though I'd prefer he was gone too.

[SenorSpur]

Even if Lorbek wasn't coming, there is no need to keep Bonner around. He's occupying a roster spot and salary slot, where the Spurs would be better off with a young, more talented and cheaper big, who could actually contribute regardless of opponent.

Now that Lorbek is indeed coming, I have to think this would almost certainly spell the end for the big red head. I can only hope the Spurs find some sucker of a team willing to give them something for Bonner. I really doubt that he has much trade value at all, but even a early or mid second would be better than nothing.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs should trade any combo of Neal/Blair/Bonner to try and get a 1st rounder.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Spurs should trade any combo of Neal/Blair/Bonner to try and get a 1st rounder.

That combo, at best, gets you into the early second round.

[DesignatedT]

Never know. Neal has some value.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Never know. Neal has some value.

The only first rounder I can see a team giving up is the Cavs at 24. They're horrible at SG right now, but they'll most likely use their #5 pick to get someone like Beal. They could add Neal for SG depth or Blair for a 3rd big option, but since they're still somewhat in a rebuilding process they'll probably want to use that 24 for themselves. Other than that, I don't see any other teams who we could pry a first rounder from.

[spurspokesman]

If Lorbek comes, Bonner has to go. The last thing the Spurs need is a more advanced version of Bonner.

Being that Lorbek has honed his skills in the European league, I can't envision him being the clutch time choker that Bonner is. Still, there's no room for having two guys with the same unathletic skill set on the roster.
this

[tesseractive]

I really doubt that he has much trade value at all, but even a early or mid second would be better than nothing.

If we can trade him for absolutely nothing in return and not have to give up an asset in the process to induce someone to take him, I would be delighted. If we could get any pick at all in return I would be ecstatic.

[stxspurs]

Some of this lazy hook shots or layups I see Ibaka putting them in the 3rd row.

[T Park]

Never know. Neal has some value.

According to who?

[DesignatedT]

According to who?

Me.

[TD 21]

You're not making any sense. Lorbek and Diaw could play with either Duncan or Splitter. It's Duncan and Splitter who can't play together.

I am. Offensively, they could, but defensively, as I said, I don't see Lorbek being able to defend power forwards, at least not with any degree of consistency. So basically, what they'd have is three centers. Somehow, I don't think they'd prioritize a 28 year old, third string center over their would-be starting power forward. Unless I'm off base and they do think Lorbek can consistently defend power forwards (in which case he could take Bonner's spot), the pieces don't fit.

[ChumpDumper]

I am. Offensively, they could, but defensively, as I said, I don't see Lorbek being able to defend power forwards, at least not with any degree of consistency. So basically, what they'd have is three centers. Somehow, I don't think they'd prioritize a 28 year old, third string center over their would-be starting power forward. Unless I'm off base and they do think Lorbek can consistently defend power forwards (in which case he could take Bonner's spot), the pieces don't fit.Which would-be starting PF?

Diaw?

We're talking about getting both.

[widowmaker]

Great another spot up shooter to go with the rest of the spot up shooters that we already have.

[DesignatedT]

He's more than a spot up shooter.

[angelbelow]

True, they could be too slow to play together much, but we'd have to see. That's why Diaw would be kept and hopefully a young athletic big man would be found to replace Blair and/or Bonner.

Yeah, I still think Diaw is a priority over Lorbek. The 4 spot is a glaring weakness and Lorbek isn't going to help in that department. Not as much as Diaw would anyway.

Young athletic big man replacing Blair or Bonner would be ideal. Think we need a RC miracle to pull that off though.

[BackHome]

Ok our glaring weakness that you want scored 2 pts in the sixth game which was do or dies for us.

[racm]

Can he rebound? That's the only issue.

[angelbelow]

Ok our glaring weakness that you want scored 2 pts in the sixth game which was do or dies for us.

Signing both Diaw and Lorbek is the most clear cut and realistic way for us to bolster our front line. But lets face it, neither player is the defending, rebounding, lengthy, athlete that we need.

[Knoxxx]

Can someone weigh in with a definitive take on whether we can split the MLE and LLE (or biennial or whatever they are calling it lately) between two players? That would be our most logical bet to actually pull off both Diaw and Lorbek signings.

I no longer consider him a legit full MLE player at all after his play against OKC. All of his shortcomings were on full display and he had every opportunity. The hope with Diaw, as was said on another thread, is that he gets in shape over the summer. I would not bet the full MLE on that though.

[angelbelow]

Can someone weigh in with a definitive take on whether we can split the MLE and LLE (or biennial or whatever they are calling it lately) between two players? That would be our most logical bet to actually pull off both Diaw and Lorbek signings.

You can split the MLE between two players.

Really no incentive to splitting the LLE.

[BackHome]

Signing both Diaw and Lorbek is the most clear cut and realistic way for us to bolster our front line. But lets face it, neither player is the defending, rebounding, lengthy, athlete that we need.

I agree.......and last time I checked the team with the most points wins. So who can score points Diaw or Lobrek? I think we all know the answer but it would be nice to get both in a perfect world.

[Spurs9]

Channel 12 said lobrek will sign with Spurs

[DesignatedT]

Channel 12 knows as much as SpursTalk knows.

[tesseractive]

Channel 12 knows as much as SpursTalk knows.

I'm kind of skeptical that they even know half as much as SpursTalk knows.

[Drom John]

OTOH, that Channel 12 even knows Lorbeck's name is newsworthy.

[TD 21]

Which would-be starting PF?

Diaw?

We're talking about getting both.

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, I doubt they see Lorbek as being able to defend the four, at least with any consistency, so how could he play with Splitter? As we've seen, rarely do they have Splitter defend fours.

His signing probably means one of two things: 1) They see him as being able to defend fours and view him as a Bonner replacement. 2) They don't see him as being able to defend fours and instead see him as someone who frees them up to trade Splitter for the type of four they need.

[ace3g]

Someone can check translation, but here is a new article with some quotes from Lorbek

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"Personally, I am super happy with the season just ended. I think I managed to keep in shape throughout all 10 months and thus contribute to the ultimate success. The main goal was to win the Spanish national championship, especially after a disastrous defeat in the semifinals against the Euroleague champion Olympiakosu and subsequently lost the Spanish Cup. Despite this, the season is assessed as very successful, as was also the hardest to win the championship in both series tied with the highest rivals "

In the last few days it was possible to read many records about your move to the United States, where he would join Duncanu, Ginobiliju, Parker and the gang ...

"I see and hear that the Spanish media give false information in connection with my future. Like it or not but they all quickly taken up in our print and online portals. Immediately razčistiva, I a member of San Antonio, my current status in the organization, which means that the agent is in a period of intense cleanup, such as the Barco Spurs. But did not rule out a third scenario, under which I wear any other jersey . All options are open, but the NBA does not lead starting position "

"I have the greatest possible ambition and desire to appear on the forthcoming EP-ROM, there is no doubt. However, I still do not know how the club will take place the coming season and in what state of health I will be in this period. I do not hide that I am plagued by a number of minor injuries that we do not make peace. Therefore, I have to rehabilitate as soon as possible to enter the new season fresh. Again, at this moment is too early to tell what will happen to me next summer. In any case, you want to be part of the entertainment stories "

http://kosarka.si/erazem-lorbek-spregovoril-o-minuli-sezoni-in-obenem-odlocno-demantiral-zapise-v-medijih-o-svojem-statusu/

[Slomo]

Someone can check translation, but here is a new article with some quotes from Lorbek

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"Personally, I am super happy with the season just ended. I think I managed to keep in shape throughout all 10 months and thus contribute to the ultimate success. The main goal was to win the Spanish national championship, especially after a disastrous defeat in the semifinals against the Euroleague champion Olympiakosu and subsequently lost the Spanish Cup. Despite this, the season is assessed as very successful, as was also the hardest to win the championship in both series tied with the highest rivals "

In the last few days it was possible to read many records about your move to the United States, where he would join Duncanu, Ginobiliju, Parker and the gang ...

"I see and hear that the Spanish media give false information in connection with my future. Like it or not but they all quickly taken up in our print and online portals. Immediately razčistiva, I a member of San Antonio, my current status in the organization, which means that the agent is in a period of intense cleanup, such as the Barco Spurs. But did not rule out a third scenario, under which I wear any other jersey . All options are open, but the NBA does not lead starting position "

"I have the greatest possible ambition and desire to appear on the forthcoming EP-ROM, there is no doubt. However, I still do not know how the club will take place the coming season and in what state of health I will be in this period. I do not hide that I am plagued by a number of minor injuries that we do not make peace. Therefore, I have to rehabilitate as soon as possible to enter the new season fresh. Again, at this moment is too early to tell what will happen to me next summer. In any case, you want to be part of the entertainment stories "

http://kosarka.si/erazem-lorbek-spregovoril-o-minuli-sezoni-in-obenem-odlocno-demantiral-zapise-v-medijih-o-svojem-statusu/


Highlights:

- The Spanish media jumped the gun (I personally think there's a tactic behind this leak, but have no more real info on the subject as already discussed)

- He is currently not under contract with anybody and has no agreement with anybody.

- His agent is in intensive talk with the Spurs and Barca, but he doesn't exclude the possibility of a third Euro option.

- Right now all options are open, but the NBA does not have a preferential status.


My opinion: The premature article was a way to create interest in Lorbek. He is negotiating with at least three parties for the best possible deal. I give it a 25% chance that he comes over to the NBA.

[Bruno]

Yeah, it sounds a lot like he will go wherever he will get the most money and I doubt this "wherever" will be Spurs.

[SpursFaninMS]

Can someone give me reasons why reports I read on him are wrong and I should not expect this guy to be the typical Euro "big guy" who wants to be a bigger, slower SF?

Weaknesses I'm seeing repeated: Terrible foot speed, not a good jumper, poor shot blocker and rebounder for size and level of competition, doesn't like contact

In the highlights, all I see is him shooting jumpers and a few post moves on guys that are smaller, weaker, and slower than he'll see in the NBA.

Strengths I'm seeing: Pick and roll (already have), passing (don't need more of), shooting (we have nothing but jump shooters), ball handling (nice, but bigs just don't do much of this in the NBA).

So, how does this guy help us?

[Vic Petro]

Quote from Balducci: "The scenario is still not clear because his season came to an end just five days ago, so we cannot have a clear picture so far," Balducci said. "We are not allowed to negotiate with the NBA till July 1, so we have to wait."

http://hoopshype.com/articles/sierra/lorbeks-future-still-up-in-the-air

[Buddy Holly]

I'm fairly certain that when it's all said and done, Lorbek will sign with the Spurs.

[tesseractive]

I don't think money is his primary factor in signing with a team. Barca already offered him a pretty good contract twice. Yes I think money is a factor but I think he wants a reasonable salary to sign with the Spurs, which probably should be around what Splitter got a 3.3mil the first year.

Why settle for a "pretty good" contract after being the MVP of a title team?

I'd say it's equally possible that his agent is using the threat of signing in the NBA as a hardball tactic to land more money staying in Europe. In Europe he's a star who can play for titles, but in the US he's an unathletic finesse player with shaky D who will get knocked around by stronger, tougher players. And yeah, the money's most likely better in Europe too.

After all this buildup, it would be a shame to lose him, but it would be crazy to assume that it's a fait accompli that he's coming this year.

[racm]

So, let me get this straight...

We trade away a capable but not amazing combo.guard in George Hill for a defensive wing with lots of upside and good work ethic in Kawhi Leonard, a legit stretch four who can work in the post in Erazem Lorbek, and the rights to a young prospect in Davis Bertans.

That's a Lakers-level trade steal there tbh

[Kobayagi]

Highlights:

My opinion: The premature article was a way to create interest in Lorbek. He is negotiating with at least three parties for the best possible deal. I give it a 25% chance that he comes over to the NBA.

Agreed.

My bet is he signs with a russian/turkish club. I hope I'm wrong.