Suspend MWP for the playoffs...

[Wild Cobra Kai]

horrible cheap fuck.

[Thompson]

Everyone hates World Peace.

[spursfanincolorado]

horrible cheap fuck.

5 games?

The Lakers might be shorthanded a few during the first round..

[Venti Quattro]

Sac town + 4-game sweep in the playoffs. See you next year Ron, if Mitch picks up your option after this :rollin

[DeadlyDynasty]

what he do?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

You could kill someone if that elbow connects to the player's temple.

[Splits]

What happened? In the got damn airport and they're playing the Caps

[ThePop]

Elbowed Harden in the head. It was bad.

[smaka]

Retarded idiot, all I can say...

[jaffies]

Cheap elbow to the head
Possible concussion
lakerfans cheer

[Mel_13]

Harden was lucky that shot didn't catch him in a worse place on his face. He could have been out for a long time.

[stéphane]

Wow Metta "John Bones Jones" World Peace...

[Wild Cobra Kai]

what he do?

He dunked, and on his way beck down the court, he fully wound up and elbowed Harden in the head/neck. Even the NBA's mouthpiece network was disgusted.

[Thompson]

Artest was pounding his chest, then as he walked past Harden, he swing his left elbow hard into Harden's ear and knocked him to the ground. Announcers saying it was intentional (hard to say it wasn't), flagrant 2 - Artest is out. Harden in the locker room (probable concussion).

[Duncan2177]

Scumbag

[Keepin' it real]

Nah, 3 games max.

[ThePop]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqhF7WoBTU

[easjer]

To be fair to Laker fans - the announcers made it clear that they had not shown the replay. When I first saw it, it didn't look intentional. On replay you can clearly see it is, but they weren't exactly showing that on the big screen in the arena. It's easy to see why fans in the arena were confused. Even with the evident disgust that Breen was showing in commenting on it, he was clear that the fans did not know what had happened.

That shot was sick. It gets worse every time you see it.

[Spursfan092120]

Cheap elbow to the head
Possible concussion
lakerfans cheer

of course they do...did you expect anything else?

[timvp]

Damn. :lol

That looked like a movie. That's at least 5 games. Considering his history, 10 games wouldn't shock.

But he's a Laker so probably 2 games.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm struggling to recall a cheaper shot in recent history. Even Bynum's hit on Barea last year at least came in the context of an actual play. The league has to give Artest a significant suspension for this one.

[EVAY]

He ought to be suspended for the rest of the season and playoffs. I don't say that because we might face him; I say it because the league needs to be strong on shit like that like the NFL was on "bounty' games.

This sort of thing is what makes me worry about seeing Denver in the playoffs. I'm more than half-convinced that Karl sets a bounty on Ginobili just about every game.

MWP is a piece of s*** for that sort of hit.

He really wound that arm as far back as it would go, tbh, too.

[ThePop]

After playing them 3 times in two weeks, we're lucky it wasn't one of our guys.

[EVAY]

After playing them 3 times in two weeks, we're lucky it wasn't one of our guys.

Absolutely!!

[BanditHiro]

given his history he has be suspended for 5-10 games.

[Mel_13]

After playing them 3 times in two weeks, we're lucky it wasn't one of our guys.

amen

[EVAY]

Jon Barry is right about the fact that this behavior is Artest, it is not MWP.

[Thompson]

He really wound that arm as far back as it would go, tbh, too.

Yeah, that's the thing. He wasn't swinging both arms, he wound up and delivered a hard elbow with his left. Some might try to argue he was just trying to brush past and maybe foul the guy in the shoulder/back, but it seems more likely (especially given his past history) he just lost it and clocked Harden in the head on purpose.

[Bruno]

I hope Harden doesn't have a concussion because, with the whole concussion process, he could miss a part of the playoffs.

And Artest should get at least 5 games for that.

[EVAY]

Who is the jerk on espn who is arguing that Artest wasn't malicious in this?

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Even Homer Magic is disgusted in the studio halftime segment.

[easjer]

After playing them 3 times in two weeks, we're lucky it wasn't one of our guys.

Dear lord yes.

Very disappointing after all the positive changes MWP/RA made. I'm really disgusted by it. And I'm 100% with Jon Berry on this one.

[EVAY]

Some jerk announcer is trying to claim that Artest wasn't 'malicious' in his intent in throwing that elbow. The guy is a total fool if he believes that.

[Mel_13]

Even Homer Magic is disgusted in the studio halftime segment.

Yeah, he said Artest was guilty, but he also said the suspension should be only 2 games.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Jesus he could of knocked him out, could have been much worse, he didnt get hit by a chump..Artest is one of the strongest dudes in the game

[Dingle Barry]

His ass ought to be banned from the league. That trash has no place in sports. Should have been zero tolerance after the Malice.

[easjer]

Yeah, that's the thing. He wasn't swinging both arms, he wound up and delivered a hard elbow with his left. Some might try to argue he was just trying to brush past and maybe foul the guy in the shoulder/back, but it seems more likely (especially given his past history) he just lost it and clocked Harden in the head on purpose.

And as Jon Berry pointed out, he wasn't pounding his chest. He may never have made eye contact, but Harden's arms was on him and MWP wound up, his elbow swinging up over his own head to hit as hard as he could. There was no way that was not deliberate. The best you could say is that he didn't know he'd him him in the head/ear and cause a possible concussion. But it was designed to hurt Harden.

[ajballer4]

If Sanders of Milwaukee gets two games for "trying" to start a fight without actually hitting anybody, MWP should get at least five.

But, he's a Laker, he'll get two

[Mel_13]

And as Jon Berry pointed out, he wasn't pounding his chest. He may never have made eye contact, but Harden's arms was on him and MWP wound up, his elbow swinging up over his own head to hit as hard as he could. There was no way that was not deliberate. The best you could say is that he didn't know he'd him him in the head/ear and cause a possible concussion. But it was designed to hurt Harden.

And if Harden had turned his head and caught that elbow around the eye he'd be headed for surgery to have plates implanted to deal with the shattered bones in his face.

[ajballer4]

If Sanders of Milwaukee gets two games for "trying" to start a fight without actually hitting anybody, MWP should get at least five.

But, he's a Laker, he'll get two

[Ice009]

Yeah, he said Artest was guilty, but he also said the suspension should be only 2 games.

5 games MINIMUM. And that is only if Harden is OK and doesn't miss any games. Magic Johnson is a fucking idiot if he says two games. I feel like clocking him in the head like that right now and see if he still wants it to be only two games.

Plus the fact that it is Artest, giving him two games is a joke. If it's only 2 games the NBA is a fucking joke.

[foodie2]

To me it looked like he completely lost it, like he went completely psycho there for a minute. Scary shit.

[spursfanincolorado]

Luckily he didnt catch his nose, that would have been messy and gnarly...MWP is a fucking tool bag and douche.

It was totally intentional - he needs help

[MmP]

LjCGlsoRMAo

[venitian navigator]

Damn. :lol

That looked like a movie. That's at least 5 games. Considering his history, 10 games wouldn't shock.

But he's a Laker so probably 2 games.

Sorry to say this, but considering his history he should be banned from the league.
That's not only violent or risky behavior...that's a shot at the head that could have put in serious danger a player's life.
Metta is just been lucky he didn't shot a more dangerous part of Harden's head.
But the league can not treat this fact like a normal, also if dangerous, playing contact.

[MmP]

wow

[spursfanincolorado]

Harden is a fucking man to take a shot like that and try and come back in the game -

Nevermind, going back to locker room to get his shank....

[SpurinDallas]

After playing them 3 times in two weeks, we're lucky it wasn't one of our guys.

I thought the same thing. Thank goodness that wasn't Ginobili

[jestersmash]

You know if he pulled that in real life (outside the NBA) there's a great chance that he'd be in jail for a couple of months.

[ThePop]

Concussion.

Was rooting for the Lakers in this game, but that play made it hard to continue doing so.

[timvp]

Go Lakers ... still :tu

[ffadicted]

lmao westbrook drives into a fuckton of traffic, jumps in the air with no one to pass to, shoves it to thabo with an awful pass and then yells at him for not shooting

Great PG :tu

edit: oops wrong thread

[baseline bum]

Sac town + 4-game sweep in the playoffs. See you next year Ron, if Mitch picks up your option after this :rollin

Artest has a player option for 2013-14; Kupchack has no say.

[Reck]

Suspend him for a year or better yet, do not let him set foot on a NBA court again. That guy is suicidal.

[biziofromdowntown]

Now we've to wait for the suspension and think if is better for us going vs Lakers in semifinals

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Go Lakers ... still :tu

Man, what a second round series if the Lakers take this one. they look a little lost, though.

What I would love would be for OKC to kick their ASSES, and then throw games to drop to second for a rematch series.

[Mel_13]

Now we've to wait for the suspension and think if is better for us going vs Lakers in semifinals

If the Lakers fall to 4th and have to play Memphis without Artest, they won't make it out of the first round.

[Spurs4#5]

If someone could clear this up...they harden will return this game...but correct me if I'm wrong since artest was ejected because of a flagrant 2 foul and not technical or automatic ejection...harden shouldn't be allowed to return because he wasn't able to shoot his free throws...is this correct?

[biziofromdowntown]

If the Lakers fall to 4th and have to play Memphis without Artest, they won't make it out of the first round.

u got this

:lol @LAL

[EVAY]

Suspend him for a year or better yet, do not let him set foot on a NBA court again. That guy is suicidal.

If he were truly suicidal instead of homicidal, I don't think people would be so upset.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

If someone could clear this up...they harden will return this game...but correct me if I'm wrong since artest was ejected because of a flagrant 2 foul and not technical or automatic ejection...harden shouldn't be allowed to return because he wasn't able to shoot his free throws...is this correct?

Immaterial since Harden won't return.

[EVAY]

I gotta tell you guys, OKC looks like one hell of a team in this game. Whew!!

[cheguevara]

didn't his suspension for the Palace brawl include something that he shouldn't get in trouble anymore? if true, he might be gone for a season or more.

I'd not be surprised if the Los Angeles prosecutor and police get involved.

[Spurs4#5]

Immaterial since Harden won't return.
cool thanks for answering the question...anybody else besides this guy can answer my question?

[FromWayDowntown]

If someone could clear this up...they harden will return this game...but correct me if I'm wrong since artest was ejected because of a flagrant 2 foul and not technical or automatic ejection...harden shouldn't be allowed to return because he wasn't able to shoot his free throws...is this correct?

That rule doesn't apply when the player is unable to shoot because of an unsportsmanlike act.

Rule 9, Section II, Exception 2:

(1) If the offended player is injured or is ejected from the game and cannot attempt the awarded free throw(s), the opposing coach shall select, from his opponent's bench, the player who will replace the injured player. That player will attempt the free throw(s) and the injured player will not be permitted to re-enter the game. The substitute must remain in the game until the next dead ball.

EXCEPTION: Rule 3-Section V-e

(2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt the awarded free throw(s) due to any unsportsmanlike act, his coach may designate any eligible member of the squad to attempt the free throw(s). The injured player will be permitted to re-enter the game.

[$pursDynasty]

Everyone hates World Peace.
:lmao
Peace Sells who's buying?

[Mel_13]

cool thanks for answering the question...anybody else besides this guy can answer my question?

FWD gave you the answer you were looking for, but for future reference:

http://www.nba.com/officiating/

[Spurs4#5]

That rule doesn't apply when the player is unable to shoot because of an unsportsmanlike act.

Rule 9, Section II, Exception 2:

(1) If the offended player is injured or is ejected from the game and cannot attempt the awarded free throw(s), the opposing coach shall select, from his opponent's bench, the player who will replace the injured player. That player will attempt the free throw(s) and the injured player will not be permitted to re-enter the game. The substitute must remain in the game until the next dead ball.

EXCEPTION: Rule 3-Section V-e

(2) If the offended player is injured and unable to attempt the awarded free throw(s) due to any unsportsmanlike act, his coach may designate any eligible member of the squad to attempt the free throw(s). The injured player will be permitted to re-enter the game.
thanks buddy I appreciate it

[Man In Black]

I'm struggling to recall a cheaper shot in recent history. Even Bynum's hit on Barea last year at least came in the context of an actual play. The league has to give Artest a significant suspension for this one.

That was the hardest bow since Karl Malone knocked DRob out and broke Steve Nash's nose.
If Harden turned his head it could have easily been Rudy Tomjanovich 2.
Metta Weird Piece indeed.

[cheguevara]

I gotta tell you guys, OKC looks like one hell of a team in this game. Whew!!

lakers look like shit

[Spursfanfromafar]

Thats just cynical and can in no way be justified as a "hard foul", "playoff atmosphere" ..any other bullshit.

Given Ron Artest's grotesque history and his "Mental World War" status.. the NBA has to give him the strictest punishment under the circumstances. 10 games is logical, IMO.

And by the way, if the Lakes end up facing the Grizzlies.. I expect the latter to out-pound them.

[kjhip1]

anyone see the crazy eyes Arteest was giving Ibaka a they were squaring up?

[shorttotry]

Absolutely no disrespect for Harden, but did anyone else think this had anything to do with the trouncing that the Spurs gave him twice this week? It's obviously intentional and I think the fucker should not be allowed to play in the NBA ever again, but it seems to me it could have been an act of frustration at the hands of the Spurs.

That being said it's still no excuse for a professional player, especially with his sort history to do anything of the sorts.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

cool thanks for answering the question...anybody else besides this guy can answer my question?

Sigh. The people in the arena (coaches refs front office) know the rules. They were going to bring him back, therefore they could.

[mingus]

I think he should be banned from the league after that elbow. He could have seriously injured Harden.

I predict he'll be out the rest of the year and a couple months into next season.

[Spurs4#5]

Sigh. The people in the arena (coaches refs front office) know the rules. They were going to bring him back, therefore they could.
sigh...im not a coach, ref, nor do I work in the front office and I'm not a pretentious Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_ like some people...thats why I asked the question...sigh

[easjer]

If MWP had had an eyeline and knew that he was hitting Harden directly in the head, I might agree with some of the suspension talk I'm seeing. But since he didn't have eyeline, and could not be said to be trying to inflict a concussion (no arguments that he was clearly trying to deliver a high injury), I don't think a ban from the NBA is warranted. Disgusting play, intent to injure, should be suspended into the playoffs, if not for the duration, but beyond that? I'm not so sure.

[Spurs Brazil]

Damn, that was dirty. Artest is a fucking coward. Should be 10 games or more

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not sure what's worse, if it was intentional, or if he just did it in the course of celebration and didn't realize that he did it. Total chickenshit play. I was really starting to respect what he's brought to the Lakers the last few weeks. They need to drop the hammer on him.

[SA210]

LjCGlsoRMAo

What a piece of shit this moron is. Ban for rest of playoffs and next season if not for life. BECAUSE of his past and this stupid incident today. The moron just can't be trusted to keep things civil on the basketball court. What happens next time? Should the NBA risk that?

[easjer]

I think it was partially intentional, if that makes sense? There was clear intent to injure - one does not drag one's arm across one's body to gain maximum momentum, raising one's elbow above one's own head and slashing it in the direction of an opponent you KNOW is there (besides being about an inch away, he's got an arm on you) without intention.

The move was clearly intentional - he knew someone was there and wanted to hurt him.

Did he know that he was going to connect with Harden's head or was he aiming specifically to concuss Harden? I don't know. I'm not sure that with the high elbow you could expect to do anything but hit above the shoulders. But it's true that he had no eyeline to where he would land his deliberately hard-thrown elbow, so I'm not sure.

It will be interesting to see how the league handles it, and I don't doubt that there may be an element of reputation involved in the suspension.

[ernest787]

what really pisses me off is that no on on the Thunder raised up on Artest. Understandably, Artest is crazy and may have tried to you kill someone, but Ibaka or Perkins has to do something, right?

And i'm not talking about the fake set up that Ibaka did. Dude basically peed on himself the second Artest put crazy face on.

[spurraider21]

now these guys are going to play each other in round 2... fireworks

[SA210]

He had eye-line because he saw Harden right before he turned his back to him, it was pre-meditated. Watch the vid again, he sees him coming and he knew where his elbow would land around the head area.

He felt up Hardens arm after seeing him to measure him up, then knew where to directly throw the blow. Pay attention to how he was very calculated. He did it quick right after he saw him coming, but tried to act like it was all an accident.

[Obstructed_View]

what really pisses me off is that no on on the Thunder raised up on Artest. Understandably, Artest is crazy and may have tried to you kill someone, but Ibaka or Perkins has to do something, right?

And i'm not talking about the fake set up that Ibaka did. Dude basically peed on himself the second Artest put crazy face on.

Yeah Ibaka getting himself suspended for several games would have been a great idea.

[letmk]

If I were Stern, I would suspend him for the rest of this season --- Not because I'm a Spurs fan, but a fan of players' health and safety. Jesus.

[Manu-20]

It wouldnt suprise me if he is suspend about 10 games

[Mugen]

If he gets anything less than 5 games, then :lol NBA.

[pgardn]

There is absolutely no doubt that was intentional. Was it intentionally to the head... Thats more difficult, it was thrown very high. Was he trying to hurt Harden... I dont know.

But...

After the elbow was thrown and connected, Artest had to know he had hit someone in the head, he had to. He made absolutely no effort to look down, "omg, I did not mean to do that", no gesture showing concern whatsoever. Furthermore he was ready to fight immediately after.

If Stern is really serious about violence in the NBA, he is out of the playoffs. If we find out Harden has a serious concussion, this has to happen. It might really depend on how bad Harden is hurt even though that might not be the best criteria.

World Peace... yeah, thats the ticket. He has some really serious mental problems. And he had been playing really well, it was actually fun to watch him play good basketball again.

[pgardn]

this is totally inexcusable. But the Harden moves right in front of Artest intentionally while Artest runs up the floor. Harden is a chippy player like Bruce was, and one player you dont want to be chippy with is Artest. If they meet in the playoffs, Im sure Harden will stay clear of World Peace.

Anyone can throw those kind of elbows and make it violent if you hit a guy in the temple. Classic chicken wing. Its a very dirty move for cowards. I will never forget how Artest reacted to Ben Wallace while he was fuming. Attack the fans who threw concrete-like beer on him.

[Jimcs50]

I think it was ok. No suspension required.

[Jimcs50]

Oh nevermind, I thought I was watching MMA.

[Ninja]

Did those who are saying 5 games even see what happened? I don't see how you can possibly suspend him for less than a full season, if not a lifetime ban. There is no room for this is in sports and Artest is a repeat offender. Do you really trust him to not do it again? He poses a danger to the health, careers, and very lives of other players. If you don't trust him to not do it again, you can't let him back on the court ever.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

I think it was unintentional. No suspension required.

Old people get blind. Take some Geritol and watch it again.

[ducks]

7 games

[pawe]

what really pisses me off is that no on on the Thunder raised up on Artest. Understandably, Artest is crazy and may have tried to you kill someone, but Ibaka or Perkins has to do something, right?

And i'm not talking about the fake set up that Ibaka did. Dude basically peed on himself the second Artest put crazy face on.

And risk getting your best players suspended with the playoffs coming?
Good thing the thunder players think better than you.

[Obstructed_View]

Oh nevermind, I thought I was watching MMA.

:lol

Welcome back.

[CitizenDwayne]

Nice to see Ron still got class

[Man In Black]

http://i41.tinypic.com/fyo0om.jpg

[Brazil]

it was clearly intentional, there is absolutely no doubt and imo he wanted to hit the head. He should be suspended for the rest of the year.

[SenorSpur]

There's no doubt that elbow by Artest was intentional. He was completely guilty no matter how he tries to explain it away. In fact, he gave away his actions by: 1. cocking his elbow back and following through on the blow. 2. After delivering the blow, he didn't even bother to see if the guy was alright.

Then to top off the brutal shot, Artest assumes to boxers stance and bows up toward any incoming Thunder player that even appeared to be headed in his direction.

Several years removed from the Malace and the Palace, it appeared that Artest had somehow rehabbed his on-court image. This, however, only reminds everyone that this dude is STILL emotionally unstable.

I hope the NBA gives his punk-ass a minimum of at least 5 games for this unnecessary cheap shot. Give him some time off and another hefty fine and allow him to think about his actions.

In the meantime, I trust that Harden is ok and has no lingering effect from this vicious blow.

[easjer]

I am not doubting there was clear intent to injure - on which the suspension should most heavily be based. I'm just questioning some of what I've seen around (not necessarily this thread particularly) that he was targeting Harden specifically or intending to concuss him. He was clearly aiming high on the intentional injury - you don't throw your elbow over your own head if you aren't aiming high - but I'm not sure about the head injury part.

I am not unhappy to take the word of SA210 or others more versed in such things. Still do not agree on a lifelong or season-long ban, personally. Still very disappointed that he's undone years worth of rehabilitation work in a single moment. Hope Harden is ok.

[Brazil]

I dont understand the 5 games logic here... this is vicious and highly dangerous for harden health.. he could have killed him.. 5 games is nothing... he should out until end of the year. I know this is not reasonable but I wish he could get 1 year suspension for that BS. Some athletes are banned forever for dumping, they are cheating but at least they just put in danger their own life.

I wouldn't be chocked by a permanent suspension.

[Mugen]

I dont understand the 5 games logic here... this is vicious and highly dangerous for harden health.. he could have killed him.. 5 games is nothing... he should out until end of the year. I know this is not reasonable but I wish he could get 1 year suspension for that BS. Some athletes are banned forever for dumping, they are cheating but at least they just put in danger their own life.

I wouldn't be chocked by a permanent suspension.

He's a Laker.

Any other team and you're probably looking at 10 games min.

Artest has a history which is the only reason I think he'll get 3-5 games.

[Obstructed_View]

That's probably the most vicious play I've seen since Malone knocked Robinson out, or since JR Reid knocked out AC Green's teeth.

[vander]

I dont understand the 5 games logic here... this is vicious and highly dangerous for harden health.. he could have killed him.. 5 games is nothing... he should out until end of the year. I know this is not reasonable but I wish he could get 1 year suspension for that BS. Some athletes are banned forever for dumping, they are cheating but at least they just put in danger their own life.

I wouldn't be chocked by a permanent suspension.

can't believe people are saying stuff like this, it really didn't look dangerous at all, just a little bump on the head, Harden looked like he was ready to play again but was told he couldn't

[Mugen]

can't believe people are saying stuff like this, it really didn't look dangerous at all, just a little bump on the head, Harden looked like he was ready to play again but was told he couldn't

You woulda died instantly if that happened to you.

[Ninja]

Still do not agree on a lifelong or season-long ban, personally. Still very disappointed that he's undone years worth of rehabilitation work in a single moment. Hope Harden is ok.
Artest is a repeat offender who poses a serious threat to other players. The guy can pop at any time. Do you trust him not to do it again? If not, how can you possibly advocate letting the guy back on the court? He has already had his 2nd and 3rd chances.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Artest is a repeat offender who poses a serious threat to other players. The guy can pop at any time. Do you trust him not to do it again? If not, how can you possibly advocate letting the guy back on the court? He has already had his 2nd and 3rd chances.


He's a Laker.

Any other team and you're probably looking at 10 games min.

Artest has a history which is the only reason I think he'll get 3-5 games.

[Obstructed_View]

can't believe people are saying stuff like this, it really didn't look dangerous at all, just a little bump on the head, Harden looked like he was ready to play again but was told he couldn't

There's a reason rabbit punching is illegal in boxing. Hit a guy near the brain stem and you can kill him.

[urunobili]

inexcusable.

BUT Harden was not giving him any space to celebrate. What was he doing there anyway?

as if OKC dont celebrate their share of dunks.

Just saying.

I think Stern will go hard on this one. I'm guessing 10 to 15 games suspension or worse.

[SenorSpur]

can't believe people are saying stuff like this, it really didn't look dangerous at all, just a little bump on the head, Harden looked like he was ready to play again but was told he couldn't

A little bump on the head doesn't make your heap snap and jerk violently from one side to the other. That shot was in the guy's earhole. Do not kid yourself or dismiss this. A well-placed shot to the head could potentially have a disastrous effect.

[MannyIsGod]

I think people are seriously underestimating how long he will be out for. This is Spreewell territory, and I think the league is tired of Artests shit. I could honestly see him out for the entire playoffs.

[Obstructed_View]

inexcusable.

BUT Harden was not giving him any space to celebrate. What was he doing there anyway?

as if OKC dont celebrate their share of dunks.

Just saying.

I think Stern will go hard on this one. I'm guessing 10 to 15 games suspension or worse.

Yeah, Harden crowded him. He might have been trying to draw a cheap one. Metta got his money's worth out of it. As mentioned, I bet Harden doesn't do that again.

[SenorSpur]

That's probably the most vicious play I've seen since Malone knocked Robinson out, or since JR Reid knocked out AC Green's teeth.

Concur! :toast

[MannyIsGod]

can't believe people are saying stuff like this, it really didn't look dangerous at all, just a little bump on the head, Harden looked like he was ready to play again but was told he couldn't

:lol

What.

If this is a troll job, its a good one. If not, well then you're not very bright.

[2centsworth]

That was deadly force and wouldn't be surprised to hear thoughts of criminal charges.

[Obstructed_View]

I think people are seriously underestimating how long he will be out for. This is Spreewell territory, and I think the league is tired of Artests shit. I could honestly see him out for the entire playoffs.

I could honestly see that maybe the NBA told him he was getting no second chances after he came back from his Palace brawl suspension.

[silverblk mystix]

can't believe people are saying stuff like this, it really didn't look dangerous at all, just a little bump on the head, Harden looked like he was ready to play again but was told he couldn't

maybe if you watch this you would understand the danger...

I couldn't find a video showing only the punch but this one has some of the story to go with it....


jgqUZ1IAA_8


this quick little punch changed lives and careers....

[Spurminator]

There's no way he's back this year.

[dylankerouac]

Banned for the remainder of the year and five games next year for two reasons.

1. Make an example for the upcoming playoffs to make sure the play does not get too physical. All this comes less than a year after Bynum pulled a similar stunt.

2. MWP has a past history and needs to be shown that this is not the right thing to do when playing with other grown men in the NBA.

My only hesitation would be to increase the suspension for an additional 5-10 games.

[Mugen]

lol he's not getting banned for the season.

He'll get 2-5 games max.

If Bynum got 5 for the Barea hit then I'd say Metta gets 3 games for the elbow.

[gospursgojas]

What a piece of shit this moron is. Ban for rest of playoffs and next season if not for life. BECAUSE of his past and this stupid incident today. The moron just can't be trusted to keep things civil on the basketball court. What happens next time? Should the NBA risk that?

Serious question Stern needs to ask himself. What if next time its one of the NBA's darlings...Lebron, Wade, the New York Knicks?

Guy should be banned. His career is almost over anyway. He's a Laker so he'll get 3 games.

[timvp]

As for the Lakers, this doesn't really hurt them that much. Meltdown World War has been horrible when playing next to Kobe. Matt Barnes can step in and start and they can give more minutes to Ebanks. It lowers their ceiling but might make them more stable, tbh.





P.S.

The fact that the elbow was on national TV on Sunday afternoon and the NBA was banking on the grandma audience tuning in, Stern will probably come down pretty hard. That's the exact thing the NBA wants to get rid of to make the sport more "sponsor-friendly". If it happened in a late West coast game that no one was watching, Artest might have gotten away with two games.

IMO, Stern is going to have to pull a Goodell and go overboard with this punishment. The Lakers logo might save him but probably not.

[Obstructed_View]

Artest was pretty good in crunch time for the Lakers when they won their title, and showed signs of becoming that again. Losing him would be a big blow if they want to go far.

[therealtruth]

Didn't he get suspended in last year's playoffs? He probably cost the Lakers a chance of winning game 3 in Dallas.

[Brazil]

As for the Lakers, this doesn't really hurt them that much. Artest has been horrible when playing next to Kobe. Matt Barnes can step in and start and they can give more minutes to Ebanks. It lowers their ceiling but might make them more stable, tbh.

it is probably good for the lakers but this is not the point... this was awful... this guy shouldn't come back playing bb at all

[Texas_Ranger]

it's the Lakers, he'll be back for the playoffs...

[Mugen]

As for the Lakers, this doesn't really hurt them that much. Meltdown World War has been horrible when playing next to Kobe. Matt Barnes can step in and start and they can give more minutes to Ebanks. It lowers their ceiling but might make them more stable, tbh.





P.S.

The fact that the elbow was on national TV on Sunday afternoon and the NBA was banking on the grandma audience tuning in, Stern will probably come down pretty hard. That's the exact thing the NBA wants to get rid of to make the sport more "sponsor-friendly". If it happened in a late West coast game that no one was watching, Artest might have gotten away with two games.

IMO, Stern is going to have to pull a Goodell and go overboard with this punishment. The Lakers logo might save him but probably not.

Disagree. They'll probably start Ebanks and keep Barnes off the bench because of how shitty det bench is.

He's their only perimeter defender and probably their most reliable 3pt shooter lately.

It won't hurt them that much if they play Denver/Dallas but it's gonna kill them in the 2nd round against OKC.

[daslicer]

This guy has been washed up the last few years. I really believe that whatever success he has on the defensive end is due to fear he imposes on players that he might actually hurt them. He really needs to be in UFC fighting I think that is the right sport for him.

[Obstructed_View]

Clearly you haven't been watching him play the last few weeks.

[daslicer]

Clearly you haven't been watching him play the last few weeks.

Yeah I have and I still think he is washed up. Anybody can have a fluke stretch of 7-10 games like he did when Kobe was gone. He is a washed up player and I stand by it the guy was trash for most of the year prior to Kobe's injury.

[Jimcs50]

Ironic, that he goes by the name "World Peace"

:wow

[Spurminator]

lol he's not getting banned for the season.

He'll get 2-5 games max.

If Bynum got 5 for the Barea hit then I'd say Metta gets 3 games for the elbow.

Bynum didn't charge the stands and attack a fan earlier in his career.

[rascal]

Damn. :lol

That looked like a movie. That's at least 5 games. Considering his history, 10 games wouldn't shock.

But he's a Laker so probably 2 games.

2 or 3 games max. The NBA wants a Lakers vs Miami finals.

[pgardn]

I could honestly see that maybe the NBA told him he was getting no second chances after he came back from his Palace brawl suspension.

Very good point. He and Jackson both probably got an ultimatum of some sort. I think I will bet he is gone for the playoffs.

As for vicious, I would also put the Malone to Isiah Thomas face smash up there. For those of us old enough to remember Rudy T., that was absolutely awful, the worst I have seen.

[Obstructed_View]

Very good point. He and Jackson both probably got an ultimatum of some sort. I think I will bet he is gone for the playoffs.

As for vicious, I would also put the Malone to Isiah Thomas face smash up there. For those of us old enough to remember Rudy T., that was absolutely awful, the worst I have seen.

Malone has several that rate as that bad, but the most recent was the Robinson one I think. Actually he may have knocked out Nash's teeth after that.

[Texas_Ranger]

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[pgardn]

P.S.

The fact that the elbow was on national TV on Sunday afternoon and the NBA was banking on the grandma audience tuning in, Stern will probably come down pretty hard. That's the exact thing the NBA wants to get rid of to make the sport more "sponsor-friendly". If it happened in a late West coast game that no one was watching, Artest might have gotten away with two games.

IMO, Stern is going to have to pull a Goodell and go overboard with this punishment. The Lakers logo might save him but probably not.

Another good point. It really forces Sterns hand. Wonder what the players group can do... or will do... They have an interest in the well being of the players as well as punishments that are too harsh.

[SA210]

That was deadly force and wouldn't be surprised to hear thoughts of criminal charges.

That would send the right message, press charges on the chump

[rascal]

can't believe people are saying stuff like this, it really didn't look dangerous at all, just a little bump on the head, Harden looked like he was ready to play again but was told he couldn't

Agree. I could have taken that hit and been right out there playing. I slammed my head on a large rock making a diving catch in the woods( woods just outside of left field)during a softball game and continued playing the game. It takes a bigger hit than that to be concussed. Can't compare that hit with what you see in the NFL that causes concussions.

It was intentional and a suspension is needed but anymore more than 2 or 3 games with the playoffs starting is excessive.

Doubt Harden has anything more than a knot on his head but look for OK City to try to play up the injury(Harden missing the next game) to try to get a bigger suspension. They won't beat the lakers if they have to face them. OK City is the choke team in this years playoffs.

The NBA wants the Lakers vs Miami in the finals. That would be the biggest money draw for the league. They don't want the Spurs anywhere near the finals and won't be doing anything to help them get there.

[rascal]

Ironic, that he goes by the name "World Peace"

:wow

No such thing as World Peace, never will be.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

On Earth Day. Metta World Peace. That's just bizarre.

[GinobiliForTres]

Lakers fans comments on YouTube:

"Metta should do that again, except this time to Durant. Lakers World Champions 2012."

"Man up! He just got hit."

"He was celebrating. Wasn't intentional. Man up. I'd get right back up if I got hit."

"Harden needs to get da fuck out of the way!"

Sick.

[Cherry]

"Metta World Peace",huh? :rolleyes

Just put Artest out of the League :td

[TheSkeptic]

Agree. I could have taken that hit and been right out there playing. I slammed my head on a large rock making a diving catch in the woods( woods just outside of left field)during a softball game and continued playing the game. It takes a bigger hit than that to be concussed. Can't compare that hit with what you see in the NFL that causes concussions.

It was intentional and a suspension is needed but anymore more than 2 or 3 games with the playoffs starting is excessive.

Doubt Harden has anything more than a knot on his head but look for OK City to try to play up the injury(Harden missing the next game) to try to get a bigger suspension. They won't beat the lakers if they have to face them. OK City is the choke team in this years playoffs.

The NBA wants the Lakers vs Miami in the finals. That would be the biggest money draw for the league. They don't want the Spurs anywhere near the finals and won't be doing anything to help them get there.

Not trying to argue, but I disagree. They're saying that apparently Harden left with concussion-like symptoms. He didn't fully look like himself to me when he came back out either.

Artest deserves a heavy suspension at the very least simply based on what happened during the game and his response to Ibaka and Durant afterwards. Going into a fight stance after making a play like that? Just shows that something snapped in my opinion and that he needs to be held accountable.

Depending on Harden's medical report, however, I can't say I wouldn't think long and hard about a full season or permanent ban if I was David Stern. Artest already had a second chance after the Detroit brawl and he's shown yet again that he's incapable of controlling himself. Maybe he needs to be medicated or something.

[Juanobili]

After the malice at the Palace, my dad said he thought Artest should've been banned for life. I couldn't agree more after this afternoon.

[timvp]

rascal is a beast on dem softball fields.

[GSH]

Absolutely!!

And two of them blowouts? Damn right.

[rascal]

rascal is a beast on dem softball fields.

Not anymore. This was in 1989.

[GinobiliForTres]

Metta WorldPeace
I just watched the replay again..... Oooo.. My celebration of the dunk really was too much... Didn't even see James ..... Omg... Looks bad

[TheSkeptic]

Metta WorldPeace
I just watched the replay again..... Oooo.. My celebration of the dunk really was too much... Didn't even see James ..... Omg... Looks bad

:violin

Suspend him indefinitely without pay while they wait for Harden's medical report.

[TDMVPDPOY]

u guys remember the kings spurs playoff series, where artest flew in with a flying elbow for a rebound...lol

[GSH]

Agree. I could have taken that hit and been right out there playing.

Ummm... no. The other link is broken. Have a look at this one, in HD and slow motion. (Start around :26) That was a dangerous shot. And with all the attention being paid to concussions lately, there's no way the Thunder could have let him stay in the game, even if he wanted to.

BTW - they've already said it's a concussion. It's just a matter of how bad.

iDCcLlelnDg

[Obstructed_View]

I remember the series where Artest hit Parker, Manu and Duncan in the same game before being suspended.

[rascal]

Not trying to argue, but I disagree. They're saying that apparently Harden left with concussion-like symptoms. He didn't fully look like himself to me when he came back out either.

Artest deserves a heavy suspension at the very least simply based on what happened during the game and his response to Ibaka and Durant afterwards. Going into a fight stance after making a play like that? Just shows that something snapped in my opinion and that he needs to be held accountable.

Depending on Harden's medical report, however, I can't say I wouldn't think long and hard about a full season or permanent ban if I was David Stern. Artest already had a second chance after the Detroit brawl and he's shown yet again that he's incapable of controlling himself. Maybe he needs to be medicated or something.

My brother tore his ACL and continued playing on it(softball), finished the game. Said it felt like bee stings in his knee.

[Obstructed_View]

Harden's 6'5", 220 and nearly got his head taken off. A normal sized person would be in the ICU after that.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Agree. I could have taken that hit and been right out there playing. I slammed my head on a large rock making a diving catch in the woods( woods just outside of left field)during a softball game and continued playing the game. It takes a bigger hit than that to be concussed. Can't compare that hit with what you see in the NFL that causes concussions.

It was intentional and a suspension is needed but anymore more than 2 or 3 games with the playoffs starting is excessive.

Doubt Harden has anything more than a knot on his head but look for OK City to try to play up the injury(Harden missing the next game) to try to get a bigger suspension. They won't beat the lakers if they have to face them. OK City is the choke team in this years playoffs.

The NBA wants the Lakers vs Miami in the finals. That would be the biggest money draw for the league. They don't want the Spurs anywhere near the finals and won't be doing anything to help them get there.



I appreciate your tough stance but I agree with very little in this post.

Your comparison of your outfield heroics and a rock to getting elbowed by a 260 lb professional athlete at close range seems arbitrary and inconclusive. Pietrus had a concussion recently and his head didn't even hit the floor.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Harden had lingering effects. Possibly minor transient cognitive deficits, problems with short term memory for a few days. It's hard to say.

But the bottom line is: we don't know by watching from home on a television. Only his neurologist knows for sure.

And yet you go from armchair neurologist to conspiracy theorist in the next paragraph without any irony.

I agree that the league could do without the Spurs in the playoffs but they did let us win 4 titles so a full conspiracy is hard to prove.

But I agree that OKC is not a powerhouse.

[rascal]

Ummm... no. The other link is broken. Have a look at this one, in HD and slow motion. (Start around :26) That was a dangerous shot. And with all the attention being paid to concussions lately, there's no way the Thunder could have let him stay in the game, even if he wanted to.

iDCcLlelnDg

You must be made out of glass.

Harden and Artest for that matter were both lucky the elbow didn't land directly into the face, it could have broken a nose or orbital bone but where it landed it didn't look like it caused much damage at all.

[Legacy]

Fucken' Ogre-Idiot. "WorldPeace" my ass. :td

[emanueldavidginobili]

MWP on twitter: "I just watched the replay again..... Oooo.. My celebration of the dunk really was too much... Didn't even see James ..... Omg... Looks bad"

[Obstructed_View]

"Looks bad" = chances of his playoff hopes.

[GSH]

You must be made out of glass.

Harden and Artest for that matter were both lucky the elbow didn't land directly into the face, it could have broken a nose or orbital bone but where it landed it didn't look like it caused much damage at all.


Heh... I can't tell if you're kidding, or if you're really trying to prove your dick is bigger on an anonymous message board. I think you're being serious. Okay - you win. I'm willing to believe that your skull is impossible to dent. For most people, that was a dangerous shot.

Oh, and it doesn't matter what the outcome is. Like you said, if it HAD hit Harden in the face, it could have been disastrous. So if Harden isn't badly hurt, it's just luck. The suspension is for throwing the elbow - not for being accurate.

[T Park]

Rascal defending this might be the most sickening thing I've ever read in this forum.

I wish/hope Harden presses charges. The nut case shouldn't even be in the league.

[TheSkeptic]

My brother tore his ACL and continued playing on it(softball), finished the game. Said it felt like bee stings in his knee.

Well maybe you guys have special genes. :D

Even after thinking it over I still don't agree with your premise though. I'm honestly not trying to minimize the experiences of you and yours because tearing an ACL or even your softball experience does take guts and is very impressive.

That said, Harden looked disoriented and an elbow strike to the neck area (from someone as strong as Ron Artest) presents a completely different set of medical and neurological concerns. We already know that Harden was showing signs of a concussion which you didn't appear to be after hitting your head in softball.

This proves that the hit clearly affected Harden badly and in my opinion, Harden's health/the riskiness of that cheap shot are the factors that need to play a major role in determining how long Artest is suspended for.

[rascal]

Harden's 6'5", 220 and nearly got his head taken off. A normal sized person would be in the ICU after that.

Being 6'5 and 220 doesn't have anything to do with being able to take a hit.
The location of the hit is most important.


Much over exaggeration from this board wanting a rest of season suspension.

[rascal]

Well maybe you guys have special genes. :D

Even after thinking it over I still don't agree with your premise though. I'm honestly not trying to minimize the experiences of you and yours because tearing an ACL or even your softball experience does take guts and is very impressive.

That said, Harden looked disoriented and an elbow strike to the neck area (from someone as strong as Ron Artest) presents a completely different set of medical and neurological concerns. We already know that Harden was showing signs of a concussion which you didn't appear to be after hitting your head in softball.

This proves that the hit clearly affected Harden badly and in my opinion, Harden's health/the riskiness of that cheap shot are the factors that need to play a major role in determining how long Artest is suspended fo

r.


Who said he was having concussion symptoms? The TV guys? They held him out for precaution. He even came back for the 2nd half but are playing it safe and want to check him out further so they sent him back.

We don't know for sure one way or another. but all I am saying is it did not look that bad from the location where he got hit. It could have been much worse.

[easjer]

Criminal charges? Seriously? Never. Going. To. Happen. Unbelievable. It was a cheap shot, it was wrong, it was obviously intentional, it was completely unnecessary, but criminal? My god you people overreact.

[pgardn]

Agree. I could have taken that hit and been right out there playing. I slammed my head on a large rock making a diving catch in the woods( woods just outside of left field)during a softball game and continued playing the game. It takes a bigger hit than that to be concussed. Can't compare that hit with what you see in the NFL that causes concussions.

It was intentional and a suspension is needed but anymore more than 2 or 3 games with the playoffs starting is excessive.

Doubt Harden has anything more than a knot on his head but look for OK City to try to play up the injury(Harden missing the next game) to try to get a bigger suspension. They won't beat the lakers if they have to face them. OK City is the choke team in this years playoffs.

The NBA wants the Lakers vs Miami in the finals. That would be the biggest money draw for the league. They don't want the Spurs anywhere near the finals and won't be doing anything to help them get there.

I had a house fall on my head. I was decapitated but it was not a problem.

[GSH]

MWP on twitter: "I just watched the replay again..... Oooo.. My celebration of the dunk really was too much... Didn't even see James ..... Omg... Looks bad"


Horse shit. Maybe he couldn't "see" him, but Harden was on his back. Artest knew he was there. I tried to give him the benefit of a doubt at first. But not after watching it a few more times. That move with the elbow wasn't any kind of celebration.

[TheSkeptic]

Who said he was having concussion symptoms? The TV guys? They held him out for precaution. He even came back for the 2nd half but are playing it safe and want to check him out further so they sent him back.

We don't know for sure one way or another. but all I am saying is it did not look that bad from the location where he got hit. I could have been much worse.

http://www.floridatoday.com/usatoday/article/54474292?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CSports%7C p

And besides, Harden was clearly not himself when he left the lockeroom. I appreciate a more physical style of basketball as much as the next person but that was completely crossing the line.

[urunobili]

Criminal charges? Seriously? Never. Going. To. Happen. Unbelievable. It was a cheap shot, it was wrong, it was obviously intentional, it was completely unnecessary, but criminal? My god you people overreact.

People go to jail for less in the US. I'm suprised you find it that off of an idea TBH

[GSH]

Who said he was having concussion symptoms? The TV guys? They held him out for precaution. He even came back for the 2nd half but are playing it safe and want to check him out further so they sent him back.

We don't know for sure one way or another. but all I am saying is it did not look that bad from the location where he got hit. I could have been much worse.

The Oklahoman reported that Harden was diagnosed with a concussion after taking World Peace's swinging left elbow to his head during the second quarter of Sunday's game between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Los Angeles Lakers.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18770265/report-james-harden-suffers-concussion-from-metta-world-peace-elbow

[Legacy]

Criminal charges? Seriously? Never. Going. To. Happen. Unbelievable. It was a cheap shot, it was wrong, it was obviously intentional, it was completely unnecessary, but criminal? My god you people overreact.


Ever heard of the word "assault?" :rolleyes




1. A violent physical or verbal attack.


2.

a. A military attack, such as one launched against a fortified area or place.
b. The concluding stage of an attack in which close combat occurs with the enemy.


3. Law

a. An unlawful threat or attempt to do bodily injury to another.
b. The act or an instance of unlawfully threatening or attempting to injure another.


4.

a. Law Sexual assault.
b. The crime of rape.
v. as·sault·ed, as·sault·ing, as·saults
v.tr. 1. To make an assault upon; attack. See Synonyms at attack (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/attack).
2. To rape.

v.intr. To make an assault.




... Now you have.

[Juventini]

Being 6'5 and 220 doesn't have anything to do with being able to take a hit.
The location of the hit is most important.


Much over exaggeration from this board wanting a rest of season suspension.

I'm not sure if you are being serious or not..... Let's say Harden were to turn his head just a little to the left at that time. Artest's elbow would have land right at Harden's temporal bone and that could cause facial nerve paralysis or even hearing loss.

[GSH]

Criminal charges? Seriously? Never. Going. To. Happen. Unbelievable. It was a cheap shot, it was wrong, it was obviously intentional, it was completely unnecessary, but criminal? My god you people overreact.

A high school teammate of mine had both of his balls ripped completely off, and still kicked 4 field goals in the second half. But that's really not that big of a deal, I guess, since he used duct tape. I mean, it could have been worse.

[rascal]

Horse shit. Maybe he couldn't "see" him, but Harden was on his back. Artest knew he was there. I tried to give him the benefit of a doubt at first. But not after watching it a few more times. That move with the elbow wasn't any kind of celebration.

He knew Harden was there and it was intentional to throw the elbow. It was an aggressive act that he did not consider the consequences when he did it. He was just trying to get him off from bumping into him and went overboard.

Did any of you ever play any sports? When the adrenaline is flowing and you are in game action these type of things can happen.

[TheSkeptic]

The Oklahoman reported that Harden was diagnosed with a concussion after taking World Peace's swinging left elbow to his head during the second quarter of Sunday's game between the Oklahoma City Thunder and the Los Angeles Lakers.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18770265/report-james-harden-suffers-concussion-from-metta-world-peace-elbow

Thanks. I guess it's confirmed then.

In that case I think he should be done for the year and possibly even banned. Playing with Artest on the floor is becoming too much of a risk.

[easjer]

Yeah, good luck arresting a player for a foul during a game, however intentional or dangerous. Even a civil court would hesitate to touch that. Given that MWP couldn't see where his elbow was hitting, no sane officer of the law would touch that.

If players aren't arrested for assault during stopped play when actual fights break out, you honestly think there would be criminal charges brought against someone who committed a hard foul (however intentional or dangerous) during play of a game? Riiiiiight. Especially in LA.

Unbelievable.

[SpursBills]

Being 6'5 and 220 doesn't have anything to do with being able to take a hit.
The location of the hit is most important.


Much over exaggeration from this board wanting a rest of season suspension.

If anything, if the location of the hit is most important, the suspension should be for even longer. Depending on where the hit was, a sharp direct blow to the side of the head is the classic description usually given for an epidural hematoma. In that case, a concussion would be the least of Harden's problems.

[rascal]

I'm not sure if you are being serious or not..... Let's say Harden were to turn his head just a little to the left at that time. Artest's elbow would have land right at Harden's temporal bone and that could cause facial nerve paralysis or even hearing loss.

It didn't caused that type of damage. So no need to make those type of assumptions.

[pgardn]

Who said he was having concussion symptoms? The TV guys? They held him out for precaution. He even came back for the 2nd half but are playing it safe and want to check him out further so they sent him back.

We don't know for sure one way or another. but all I am saying is it did not look that bad from the location where he got hit. It could have been much worse.

uhhh....

The location looked very close to the skull and spinal cord close the the back right under the ear. That is not a good spot. You can never tell from the outside how much acceleration the brain and associated parts undergo. And just because he gets back up does not mean he is ok.

My cousin ran his bike right into the back of a mail truck. he got right back up said he was fine. Later on his pupils changed size and he started throwing up. To the hospital. Boxers have died a day or two after a fight after feeling fine. Its very hard to from just what you see. He will get the proper care and hopefully he is fine. But to proclaim it a bump from just the video is ambitious optimism even though I hope you are correct.

[GrandeDavid]

Suspend for year.

[TheSkeptic]

Yeah, good luck arresting a player for a foul during a game, however intentional or dangerous. Even a civil court would hesitate to touch that. Given that MWP couldn't see where his elbow was hitting, no sane officer of the law would touch that.

If players aren't arrested for assault during stopped play when actual fights break out, you honestly think there would be criminal charges brought against someone who committed a hard foul (however intentional or dangerous) during play of a game? Riiiiiight. Especially in LA.

Unbelievable.

I don't know. Haven't hockey players been taken to court over hits before? I'm fairly certain that there's at least a few in-game checks that had the police investigating anyway.

Courts/the police generally try to avoid cases like that but in a situation where say Harden's ability to make a living was compromised due to struggling with a concussion, I'm not sure that a civil court would have a problem hearing him out if he decided to sue Artest.

That said, I'd be surprised if Harden/OKC pursued that route.

[GSH]

Criminal charges? Seriously? Never. Going. To. Happen. Unbelievable. It was a cheap shot, it was wrong, it was obviously intentional, it was completely unnecessary, but criminal? My god you people overreact.

I'm not saying it should happen here, but don't act like it's out of the question. And don't forget that Artest has been found guilty of a crime for fighting during a basketball game. I know the circumstances were different, but it's still going to count against him - a lot. Maybe no criminal charges come of it, but I think it's pretty likely that the league sends a message over this one. After the brawl in Detroit, Stern can't afford to ignore it. If they had been playing in Oklahoma, a local prosecutor might feel the same way.

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http://www.thesportsiq.com/violence-in-sport/

That wouldn’t be unprecedented. Since 1969, at least 11 instances in professional hockey have resulted in players facing criminal charges for actions during games. The most notable recent incident occurred in 2004, when Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head and then fell on top of him. Moore suffered a broken neck and a concussion, ending his career. Bertuzzi was charged and later pled guilty to assault causing bodily harm.

In March of this year, an 18-year-old Canadian was arrested and charged with assault after he allegedly intentionally tripped a referee during a hockey game.

Other sports aren’t immune to this type of behavior resulting in criminal charges. Just search the terms “game, player, assault, charges” on Google and 28.1 million results are produced.

Five players were charged after a brawl between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons in 2004, with several Pacer players (most notably Ron Artest) going into the stands to fight Detroit fans. All five players were found guilty and were sentenced to a year of probation and community service.

Other instances have resulted in criminal assault charges being filed against soccer and football players for headbutting or in basketball for fights that break out on the court.

[Spurtacus]

He should be suspended indefinitely until Harden returns to game action. Then tack on 3 games for being a repeat offender.

[Legacy]

Yeah, good luck arresting a player for a foul during a game, however intentional or dangerous. Even a civil court would hesitate to touch that. Given that MWP couldn't see where his elbow was hitting, no sane officer of the law would touch that.

If players aren't arrested for assault during stopped play when actual fights break out, you honestly think there would be criminal charges brought against someone who committed a hard foul (however intentional or dangerous) during play of a game? Riiiiiight. Especially in LA.

Unbelievable.



No. You're "unbelievable", actually. *TSK*

[pgardn]

He knew Harden was there and it was intentional to throw the elbow. It was an aggressive act that he did not consider the consequences when he did it. He was just trying to get him off from bumping into him and went overboard.

Did any of you ever play any sports? When the adrenaline is flowing and you are in game action these type of things can happen.

Yes.

I did not throw high elbows with that force. And I got knocked out taking a knee straight to the temple and suffered a concussion. I was checked for swelling and fluid buildup as this can kill you. And you cannot see it from the outside. I bled down the back of my throat for a week because I had sinuses crushed. It was more than just the temple. People who do not get knocked out are sometimes the most vulnerable to long term damage. See Ali...

[therealtruth]

That really hurts OKC since they are so reliant on their big 3. It seems like the only way the Lakers can beat the Thunder is by resorting to cheap shots. The Thunder should want to face them in the playoffs to exact some revenge.

[easjer]

I'm not saying it should happen here, but don't act like it's out of the question. And don't forget that Artest has been found guilty of a crime for fighting during a basketball game. I know the circumstances were different, but it's still going to count against him - a lot. Maybe no criminal charges come of it, but I think it's pretty likely that the league sends a message over this one. After the brawl in Detroit, Stern can't afford to ignore it. If they had been playing in Oklahoma, a local prosecutor might feel the same way.

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http://www.thesportsiq.com/violence-in-sport/

That wouldn’t be unprecedented. Since 1969, at least 11 instances in professional hockey have resulted in players facing criminal charges for actions during games. The most notable recent incident occurred in 2004, when Todd Bertuzzi of the Vancouver Canucks punched Steve Moore of the Colorado Avalanche in the back of the head and then fell on top of him. Moore suffered a broken neck and a concussion, ending his career. Bertuzzi was charged and later pled guilty to assault causing bodily harm.

In March of this year, an 18-year-old Canadian was arrested and charged with assault after he allegedly intentionally tripped a referee during a hockey game.

Other sports aren’t immune to this type of behavior resulting in criminal charges. Just search the terms “game, player, assault, charges” on Google and 28.1 million results are produced.

Five players were charged after a brawl between the Indiana Pacers and Detroit Pistons in 2004, with several Pacer players (most notably Ron Artest) going into the stands to fight Detroit fans. All five players were found guilty and were sentenced to a year of probation and community service.

Other instances have resulted in criminal assault charges being filed against soccer and football players for headbutting or in basketball for fights that break out on the court.

The difference in most of these instances and what happened was intent. A prosecutor would have a hell of a time proving anything other than a hard foul to clear space since MWP was not even looking at Harden. Yes he knew someone was there, and yes, he threw and elbow in a viciously unnecessary way and yes, it was a cheap shot and yes, the league should punish him for that.

But good luck with criminal charges. Far more deliberate actions have happened on court with no charges - because it's difficult to prove.

The brawl was a different situation because that was a fight that went into the stands and could have incited a riot. This was an elbow thrown in the course of game action.

As for civil cases, yes, that would be a possibility if Harden were unable to play again, but it would take years and go through a whole lot of out of court negotiations.

[benefactor]

rascal with the bads in this thread, per his usual.

[GSH]

It didn't caused that type of damage. So no need to make those type of assumptions.


Ummm... so if you shove someone into traffic, and the cars all manage to avoid hitting him, it's no big deal? If someone fired a gun at you, but just nicked you, you'd just go have a beer with them and laugh it off? I mean, why make assumptions about what could have happened, right?


I don't think you even believe the shit you're saying.

[Juventini]

It didn't caused that type of damage. So no need to make those type of assumptions.

We don't know what type of damage Harden has at this point so your point saying it did not cause that type of damage is moot for now. For your reference, any type of hard force being hit to human's head is considered dangerous. It doesn't matter where it get hit. There are tons of incident of people getting hit in the face or neck being able to walk for a day or two and need to get hospitalized afterwards. This type of injury can be internal.

[GSH]

The difference in most of these instances and what happened was intent. A prosecutor would have a hell of a time proving anything other than a hard foul to clear space since MWP was not even looking at Harden. Yes he knew someone was there, and yes, he threw and elbow in a viciously unnecessary way and yes, it was a cheap shot and yes, the league should punish him for that.

But good luck with criminal charges. Far more deliberate actions have happened on court with no charges - because it's difficult to prove.

The brawl was a different situation because that was a fight that went into the stands and could have incited a riot. This was an elbow thrown in the course of game action.

As for civil cases, yes, that would be a possibility if Harden were unable to play again, but it would take years and go through a whole lot of out of court negotiations.


Well, hell. Now Clarance Fucking Darrow weighed in.

/thread

[Mugen]

I've been laughing for about 20 mins @ rascal say he'd get up from that hit.

There'd be a 5 page "RIP rascal" thread by now if he ever got an artest elbow to the head.

[Juventini]

Ummm... so if you shove someone into traffic, and the cars all manage to avoid hitting him, it's no big deal? If someone fired a gun at you, but just nicked you, you'd just go have a beer with them and laugh it off? I mean, why make assumptions about what could have happened, right?


I don't think you even believe the shit you're saying.

lol GSH I was thinking of a car accident assumption as well but couldn't come up with a perfect situation :D Nice job with this one :)

[rascal]

Ummm... so if you shove someone into traffic, and the cars all manage to avoid hitting him, it's no big deal? If someone fired a gun at you, but just nicked you, you'd just go have a beer with them and laugh it off? I mean, why make assumptions about what could have happened, right?


I don't think you even believe the shit you're saying.

Of course there would be a big difference if the cars hit and injured or killed the guy then if the cars missed the guy. Charges for attempted murder are not as bad as murder.

[rascal]

I've been laughing for about 20 mins @ rascal say he'd get up from that hit.

There'd be a 5 page "RIP rascal" thread by now if he ever got an artest elbow to the head.

I would not only have gotten up I would not have even fallen down.

[rascal]

Of course OK City will say Harden has a concussion. They need to milk this incident to get a longer suspension. They are afraid of facing the Lakers and will need all the help they can get.

[TheSkeptic]

I would not only have gotten up I would not have even fallen down.


Of course OK City will say Harden has a concussion. They need to milk this incident to get a longer suspension. They are afraid of facing the Lakers and will need all the help they can get.

...You can't be serious.

[Juventini]

...You can't be serious.

His name if "Rascal" for a reason I guess......

[z0sa]

I would not only have gotten up I would not have even fallen down.

You'd be leaving on a stretcher comatose.

[pgardn]

...You can't be serious.

I lost my lungs, stomach and lower duodenum due to a scissor kick right in the torso.

[TheSkeptic]

I lost my lungs, stomach and lower duodenum due to a scissor kick right in the torso.

Ok. Now your stories are scaring me. :depressed

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao Rascal.

[FromWayDowntown]

Artest got 3 games for breaking video equipment a few years ago and got 4 games for running noise at Pat Riley and flipping off the crowd in Miami -- and that was before the Palace brawl.

I can't imagine that this incident gets him anything less than 4, and given the precedent, it would be appalling if he got 4, in my view -- the risk to others in this sort of conduct is far more substantial than any risk posed by flipping off a crowd or throwing a television to the ground. And it sure looks as if he's already on the league's progressive discipline policy.

[Mel_13]

Minimum of 5 games, but no more than 12. Suspensions up to 12 games can't be appealed. Suspensions over 12 games can be appealed to an arbitrator.

[pgardn]

Artest got 3 games for breaking video equipment a few years ago and got 4 games for running noise at Pat Riley and flipping off the crowd in Miami -- and that was before the Palace brawl.

I can't imagine that this incident gets him anything less than 4, and given the precedent, it would be appalling if he got 4, in my view -- the risk to others in this sort of conduct is far more substantial than any risk posed by flipping off a crowd or throwing a television to the ground. And it sure looks as if he's already on the league's progressive discipline policy.

Artest is progressing right off the cliff.

And he was actually playing well, this is what is confusing. He was getting off the ground, creating off the dribble, hitting some 3's, he was playing his best basketball by far.

Guy has some serious mental problems. I wonder if he can claim his meds need to be changed. Bipolar as a magnet.

[Rapper]

Everyone hates World Peace.

[GSH]

Minimum of 5 games, but no more than 12. Suspensions up to 12 games can't be appealed. Suspensions over 12 games can be appealed to an arbitrator.

Mel with the goods. Again. I bet you didn't even have to look it up, did you?

It makes sense. Stern will send a message, and he won't want it delayed or watered down by arbitration.

[2centsworth]

The difference in most of these instances and what happened was intent. A prosecutor would have a hell of a time proving anything other than a hard foul to clear space since MWP was not even looking at Harden. Yes he knew someone was there, and yes, he threw and elbow in a viciously unnecessary way and yes, it was a cheap shot and yes, the league should punish him for that.

But good luck with criminal charges. Far more deliberate actions have happened on court with no charges - because it's difficult to prove.

The brawl was a different situation because that was a fight that went into the stands and could have incited a riot. This was an elbow thrown in the course of game action.

As for civil cases, yes, that would be a possibility if Harden were unable to play again, but it would take years and go through a whole lot of out of court negotiations.

In San Antonio we are all too familiar with Basketball Elbows landing players 5 yrs in prison. read this (http://www.democracynow.org/2000/4/10/latino_basketball_player_sentenced_to_five)

[DeadlyDynasty]

Give the guy a break, he was excited.

[SA210]

Criminal charges? Seriously? Never. Going. To. Happen. Unbelievable. It was a cheap shot, it was wrong, it was obviously intentional, it was completely unnecessary, but criminal? My god you people overreact.

Are you serious, you go to jail for shit like that in the real world. Why is it different to you, because they are NBA players? wtf

[024]

tbh, harden should have milked the injury, stayed down, and requested a stretcher to get him off the court. one cheap shot for another.

[DeadlyDynasty]

tbh, harden should have milked the injury, stayed down, and requested a stretcher to get him off the court. one cheap shot for another.

This ain't soccer, b.

[Solid D]

Ironic, that he goes by the name "World Peace"

:wow

Metta's comments after changing his name from Ron Artest:
"Changing my name was meant to inspire and bring youth together all around the world," he said in a statement. "I'm glad that it is now official." The Buddhist term Metta means "loving kindness and friendliness towards another."

[DPG21920]

I kind of saw something coming. If you've been watching him he has been flirting dangerously close lately to boiling over. There have been a lot of "close calls" (throat elbows, awkward moments of stare downs the friendly taps). I remember thinking he's behaving very oddly over the past few weeks and that I wouldn't be surprised if he lost it again.

[GSH]

BTW - I'm one of the few people here (other than Laker fans) who has always spoken up in support of Artest/WP. And I've always maintained that he isn't a dirty player. He plays hard - but not dirty. Even after tonight, I don't think he plays dirty. He's just crazy as a fucking loon.

I honestly don't think he knew specifically that it was Harden behind him, or that he had time to think about how he wanted to hurt him. But that doesn't change the fact that he knew he was throwing a high elbow, into the head area of another player. And he wound up for that elbow in a way that most other players never would, even in the heat of the moment. I just think there's a part of RonRon's brain where the meds will never reach.

Like I said, I'm a rare Spurs fan that actually likes MWP. And I feel sorry for him a lot of the time. That being said, what he did was way too dangerous to just overlook. Stern has to send a message, and he's going to send a message. All the talk about criminal charges is just bantering, but I do think he should be glad that they weren't playing in Oklahoma. Because a local prosecutor would have the ability to try and make an example out of this, too. And just might. Since it was in LA, you can forget about it.

[SA210]

Ummm... so if you shove someone into traffic, and the cars all manage to avoid hitting him, it's no big deal? If someone fired a gun at you, but just nicked you, you'd just go have a beer with them and laugh it off? I mean, why make assumptions about what could have happened, right?


I don't think you even believe the shit you're saying.

:lol

[SA210]

I've been laughing for about 20 mins @ rascal say he'd get up from that hit.

There'd be a 5 page "RIP rascal" thread by now if he ever got an artest elbow to the head.

Rip Rascal :rollin

[2centsworth]

BTW - I'm one of the few people here (other than Laker fans) who has always spoken up in support of Artest/WP. And I've always maintained that he isn't a dirty player. He plays hard - but not dirty. Even after tonight, I don't think he plays dirty. He's just crazy as a fucking loon.

I honestly don't think he knew specifically that it was Harden behind him, or that he had time to think about how he wanted to hurt him. But that doesn't change the fact that he knew he was throwing a high elbow, into the head area of another player. And he wound up for that elbow in a way that most other players never would, even in the heat of the moment. I just think there's a part of RonRon's brain where the meds will never reach.

Like I said, I'm a rare Spurs fan that actually likes MWP. And I feel sorry for him a lot of the time. That being said, what he did was way too dangerous to just overlook. Stern has to send a message, and he's going to send a message. All the talk about criminal charges is just bantering, but I do think he should be glad that they weren't playing in Oklahoma. Because a local prosecutor would have the ability to try and make an example out of this, too. And just might. Since it was in LA, you can forget about it.

you're on the money. In OKC criminal charges probably would have been filed. I know damn well in San Antonio they would have been.

[SA210]

Metta's comments after changing his name from Ron Artest:
"Changing my name was meant to inspire and bring youth together all around the world," he said in a statement. "I'm glad that it is now official." The Buddhist term Metta means "loving kindness and friendliness towards another."


This guy is an idiot. I'm all for real "World Peace", but I never took this moron seriously when he came out with this.

[100%duncan]

Fucking cheap. I hope he gets injured to prevent someone being injured by his actions.

[2centsworth]

i think someone else mentioned this, but this could have been a tragedy if that elbow lands a little higher.

[SA210]

i think someone else mentioned this, but this could have been a tragedy if that elbow lands a little higher.

That's why the NBA needs to come down VERY hard on him and make an example out of him. Like I said earlier in this thread, what happens next time? Why risk it?

[Russo21]

Exactly.

One good blow to someone's head, in the right spot, with that sort of force, can kill. One good shot is all it takes.

I hope he gets thrown out of the association for good, this is the NBA not MMA.

[Russo21]

Artest is lucky he didn't quite get him in the precise spot for serious damage or he could be facing manslaughter charges. I kid you not.

[desflood]

Harden was clearly wrong - he had no reason to be touching Artest at that moment. He was inviting trouble. That being said, I think you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that any part of that elbow was unintentional. (as I said in a different thread)

My real concern is that they base the suspension upon the severity of Harden's injuries rather than the intent behind the action. That would be the wrong way to go about it.

[Mugen]

BTW - I'm one of the few people here (other than Laker fans) who has always spoken up in support of Artest/WP. And I've always maintained that he isn't a dirty player. He plays hard - but not dirty. Even after tonight, I don't think he plays dirty. He's just crazy as a fucking loon.

I honestly don't think he knew specifically that it was Harden behind him, or that he had time to think about how he wanted to hurt him. But that doesn't change the fact that he knew he was throwing a high elbow, into the head area of another player. And he wound up for that elbow in a way that most other players never would, even in the heat of the moment. I just think there's a part of RonRon's brain where the meds will never reach.

Like I said, I'm a rare Spurs fan that actually likes MWP. And I feel sorry for him a lot of the time. That being said, what he did was way too dangerous to just overlook. Stern has to send a message, and he's going to send a message. All the talk about criminal charges is just bantering, but I do think he should be glad that they weren't playing in Oklahoma. Because a local prosecutor would have the ability to try and make an example out of this, too. And just might. Since it was in LA, you can forget about it.

+1. I'm a Metta fan and think Bynum is a 100x more of a cheap shot artist than Ron Ron.

He's just fucking crazy. There's really not much you can do to fix crazy.

[Solid D]

Harden was clearly wrong - he had no reason to be touching Artest at that moment. He was inviting trouble. That being said, I think you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that any part of that elbow was unintentional. (as I said in a different thread)

My real concern is that they base the suspension upon the severity of Harden's injuries rather than the intent behind the action. That would be the wrong way to go about it.

No way Harden was clearly wrong. Guys bump each other all the time. On an inbound situation after a made basket, guys come up and initiate contact all the time and then push free to get space for a pass. Harden was looking at Durant as a potential option for the pass when he was clocked.

[TDMVPDPOY]

harden styles a faux mohawk, lol doesnt live up to the hairstyle....mr.t :(

[Solid D]

harden styles a faux mohawk, lol doesnt live up to the hairstyle....mr.t :(

Dude gets concussed on a cheap shot and you discuss his hairstyle. :bang

[T Park]

Harden in the wrong?

What next, the short skirt she wore was inviting a rapist?

Good god.

[desflood]

No way Harden was clearly wrong. Guys bump each other all the time. On an inbound situation after a made basket, guys come up and initiate contact all the time and then push free to get space for a pass. Harden was looking at Durant as a potential option for the pass when he was clocked.
Going back and watching it again, you are probably right. I just didn't recall it happening that way. My bad.

[Mugen]

I would not only have gotten up I would not have even fallen down.

rascal gets post of the season, tbh.

[TDMVPDPOY]

that was bullshit on hardens part, what was his head being on the end of the elbow....

[LongtimeSpursFan]

Criminal charges? Seriously? Never. Going. To. Happen. Unbelievable. It was a cheap shot, it was wrong, it was obviously intentional, it was completely unnecessary, but criminal? My god you people overreact.

HS basketball player in SA got couple of years of prison for elbowing someone in the head.

[Solid D]

Going back and watching it again, you are probably right. I just didn't recall it happening that way. My bad.

:tu :toast

[Paranoid Pop]

Harden was clearly wrong - he had no reason to be touching Artest at that moment. He was inviting trouble. That being said, I think you'd have to be a special kind of stupid to believe that any part of that elbow was unintentional. (as I said in a different thread)

My real concern is that they base the suspension upon the severity of Harden's injuries rather than the intent behind the action. That would be the wrong way to go about it.

Agreed, these OKC guys get on everyone's nerves, they had TP, Dalembert and others talk shit and now this, clearly there was no reason for that fucking hipster to bump him like that, hopefully there's a double-suspension. Even as a SPurs fan I hope it's not too long for Metta even tho it'll certainly be.

[Paranoid Pop]

i think someone else mentioned this, but this could have been a tragedy if that elbow lands a little higher.

Not worse than Griffin elbows, stop being over dramatic.

[TDMVPDPOY]

sergie ibaka going hard at artest....lol does he think his baraka?

[mingus]

i think someone else mentioned this, but this could have been a tragedy if that elbow lands a little higher.

which is exactly why he'll be suspended for a long, long time. he'll be out for the playoffs, that is a given.

[DeadlyDynasty]

What next, the short skirt she wore was inviting a rapist?


Well, yeah...

[T Park]

Agreed, these OKC guys get on everyone's nerves, they had TP, Dalembert and others talk shit and now this, clearly there was no reason for that fucking hipster to bump him like that, hopefully there's a double-suspension. Even as a SPurs fan I hope it's not too long for Metta even tho it'll certainly be.


A double suspension? Who gets the other one? The guy with the concussion on the floor?!?!?

[T Park]

Kobe says yeah...

Fify

[Legacy]

BTW - I'm one of the few people here (other than Laker fans) who has always spoken up in support of Artest/WP. And I've always maintained that he isn't a dirty player. He plays hard - but not dirty. Even after tonight, I don't think he plays dirty. He's just crazy as a fucking loon.

I honestly don't think he knew specifically that it was Harden behind him, or that he had time to think about how he wanted to hurt him. But that doesn't change the fact that he knew he was throwing a high elbow, into the head area of another player. And he wound up for that elbow in a way that most other players never would, even in the heat of the moment. I just think there's a part of RonRon's brain where the meds will never reach.

Like I said, I'm a rare Spurs fan that actually likes MWP. And I feel sorry for him a lot of the time. That being said, what he did was way too dangerous to just overlook. Stern has to send a message, and he's going to send a message. All the talk about criminal charges is just bantering, but I do think he should be glad that they weren't playing in Oklahoma. Because a local prosecutor would have the ability to try and make an example out of this, too. And just might. Since it was in LA, you can forget about it.




you're on the money. In OKC criminal charges probably would have been filed. I know damn well in San Antonio they would have been.



Right, unfortunately. Luckily, he did pull that crap in Lol Angeles, The "Thug Capital" of The US. :rolleyes


That being said, I believe the "bantering" would be pretty much commonplace to most people in the country.


POINT: Complete and utterly pathetic meathead-move ... and my sympathies go out to Harden-- not "WorldPeace."


I would feel the same damn way if a Spur "acted out" like that, seriously. Actually, I'd be flat out pissed as well as just plain embarassed. Just sayin'.



/rant

[G-Dawgg]

...you guys sound like a bunch of little girls...back in the day the legends like Barkley, Bird, Isiah, Dr J and many more would actually get into real fist fights on the court. Nobody ever cried about them being pieces of shit..

..Sure it sucks and it was a cheap shot and he should be disciplined, but get over it. It wasn't that bad....

[TampaDude]

He's done for the year. Book it.

[Legacy]

...you guys sound like a bunch of little girls...back in the day the legends like Barkley, Bird, Isiah, Dr J and many more would actually get into real fist fights on the court. Nobody ever cried about them being pieces of shit..

..Sure it sucks and it was a cheap shot and he should be disciplined, but get over it. It wasn't that bad....



:lmao

[2centsworth]

...you guys sound like a bunch of little girls...back in the day the legends like Barkley, Bird, Isiah, Dr J and many more would actually get into real fist fights on the court. Nobody ever cried about them being pieces of shit..

..Sure it sucks and it was a cheap shot and he should be disciplined, but get over it. It wasn't that bad....

back in the day the penalty was just 2 foul shots and the ball. granted the players were coked up and didn't feel crap.