Since the Jefferson trade...

[Solid D]

The Spurs are 20-3 .870 (losing to Dallas, Utah and LAL. The Utah loss was without big 3. In the Dallas loss, Diaw and Mills had not joined the team, yet.)

In those 23 games:
Their point differential is +12.7

They are averaging 108.83 PPG (2503 total points)

They are allowing 96.13 PPG (2211 total points)

In the 41 games before the trade:
Their point differential was +4.17

They were averaging 100.51 PPG (4121 total points)

They were allowing 96.34 PPG (3950 total points)

In the 23 games since the trade:
They have increased their point differential by +8.53

They have increased their scoring by 8.32 PPG

They have decreased their opponents scoring by -0.21 PPG

Discuss

[Venti Quattro]

I call the Ewing Theory on Dick Jefferson.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Spurs are also second in PPG, 1st in FG% and 1st in 3P%.

[phyzik]

I call the Ewing Theory on Dick Jefferson.

Hey Venti, been meaning to ask....

Was that Ronaldo sig a bet? :lol

What game was that one on?

[jiggy_55]

Music to my ears...

[Venti Quattro]

Hey Venti, been meaning to ask....

Was that Ronaldo sig a bet? :lol

What game was that one on?

yes I lost to ElNono in the sig bet for the LA-SA season series. Maybe I should put a link about where the sig originated so people are going to stop asking. lol

[baseline bum]

Jefferson just sucked the soul out of this team. I still cannot believe the Warriors were stupid enough to make that trade. Then again, they were stupid enough to win on Sunday and completely blow their chances of having a first round pick, so at least they're consistently moronic.

[Solid D]

Since the Jefferson trade, Spurs record vs playoff contenders:
PHX 2-0
OKC 1-0
MEM 1-0
PHI 1-0
IND 1-0
BOS 1-0
LAL 2-1
DAL 1-1
UTA 1-1

[baseline bum]

yes I lost to ElNono in the sig bet for the LA-SA season series. Maybe I should put a link about where the sig originated so people are going to stop asking. lol

That's not part of the sig tbh; you think I'd let DD put some garbage like that in his?

[Fireball]

Since the Jefferson trade, Spurs record vs playoff contenders:
PHX 2-0
OKC 1-0
MEM 1-0
PHI 1-0
IND 1-0
BOS 1-0
LAL 2-1
DAL 1-1
UTA 1-1

The times of bad match-ups are over :flag:

[Venti Quattro]

That's not part of the sig tbh; you think I'd let DD put some garbage like that in his?

I was expecting for him to pull something basketball related, but as soccer fans, I also didn't discount the possibility of this happening. He did the latter. Then Real proceeded to skunk Barcelona at Camp Nou. My weekend was completely destroyed.

[ORION]

I want to know what their team assist per game before and after

[Solid D]

Since the Jefferson trade, Spurs record vs playoff contenders:
PHX 2-0
OKC 1-0
MEM 1-0
PHI 1-0
IND 1-0
BOS 1-0
LAL 2-1
DAL 1-1
UTA 1-1

Since the Jefferson trade, Spurs Point Differential vs playoff contenders:
+7.93

[phyzik]

Not that Hollingers rankings mean much.... but by his stats, spurs rank over the next closest team (the Thunder) by almost 2 full points. 1.785 as of this posting to be exact.

I never put much into his stats but it is interesting if you look at the rest of his power rankings... If you look from the Thunder on down (2 vs 3, 3 vs 4, 4 vs 5 ect), they are barely seperated by 1 point from their next closest ranked opponent.....

If you go strictly by Hollinger stats, 1 thru 4 are clearly a cut above the rest.

1) Spurs 109.116
2) Thunder 107.331
3) Bulls 106.277
4) Heat 105.706
5) Celtics 104.216
6) Knicks 104.122
7) Clippers 103.307
8) 76rs 103.165
9) Pacers 103.006
10) Hawks 102.900
11) Grizzlies 102.439
12) Nuggets 102.318
13) Jazz 102.041
14) Suns 101.857
15) Mavs 101.656

[mkurts]

Decreased opponent scoring by 0.21 ppg ??

How is that even statistically significant ??

[phyzik]

Decreased opponent scoring by 0.21 ppg ??

How is that even statistically significant ??

its not until you run the number over the course of an entire season. Its only been 23 games since we got rid of Jefferson and that equates to 17 points more in the Spurs favor over that time. If it where a full 82 game season, and if the stat held true, that would swing roughly 53 points in the Spurs favor over the entire season.

May not seem like much, and its all just math that doesnt include other factors, but regardless of that, the numbers obviously suggest we are better without RJ.

[siraulo23]

Who is this Jefferson you speak of?

[Solid D]

I want to know what their team assist per game before and after

563 total assists in 23 games since the Jefferson trade =24.48 APG

In the 41 games prior to the trade, the Spurs were averaging 22.32 APG (915 total assists). That's an increase of 2.16 APG which is a fairly stout bump

[Solid D]

Decreased opponent scoring by 0.21 ppg ??

How is that even statistically significant ??

It means that while some say the Spurs uptempo style is like the PHX Suns style from prior years..."good for the regular season not for the playoffs"...the more the Suns scored the more their opponents followed suit. Not the case with the Spurs. They've actually increased their scoring +8.32 and decreased their opponents scoring -0.21 since the trade.

[gilmor]

yes I lost to ElNono in the sig bet for the LA-SA season series. Maybe I should put a link about where the sig originated so people are going to stop asking. lol

You are so fucking gay..

[Solid D]

That's all for tonight. Good night all.

[phyzik]

It means that while some say the Spurs uptempo style is like the PHX Suns style from prior years..."good for the regular season not for the playoffs"...the more the Suns scored the more their opponents followed suit. Not the case with the Spurs. They've actually increased their scoring +8.32 and decreased their opponents scoring -0.21 since the trade.

Basically what I was trying to say, but much more coherant. :toast

[Venti Quattro]

You are so fucking gay..

And you're from the Philippines :rollin

[gilmor]

And you're from the Philippines :rollin

Actually not..

[Rapper]

so what are you trying to tell us?

[buttsR4rebounding]

so what are you trying to tell us?

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2:

[100%duncan]

RJ was a cancer in all sorts. Nothing to discuss. :flag:

[polandprzem]

It's just coincidence Solid D

[boutons_deux]

A lot of teams play like garbage in first 6 weeks (Spurs 2011!), then progress. Impossible to say how much is due to usual progress or how much is due to personnel changes.

[Fireball]

A lot of teams play like garbage in first 6 weeks (Spurs 2011!), then progress. Impossible to say how much is due to usual progress or how much is due to personnel changes.

but this holds true for the other teams as well ... numbers can be misleading, but they do not lie ...

[pgardn]

I was expecting for him to pull something basketball related, but as soccer fans, I also didn't discount the possibility of this happening. He did the latter. Then Real proceeded to skunk Barcelona at Camp Nou. My weekend was completely destroyed.

Barca looks tired. Messi actually lost his legs during that game imo.

Fear Chelsea? Fear Drogba?

[SCdac]

Richard Jefferson's last 2 playoff series with SA:

vs. Phoenix:

35 MPG, 10 PPG (.42 FG%)

vs. Grizzlies:

30 MPG, 7 PPG (.39 FG%)

Spurs needed more than that from a primarily offensive player (with more athleticism than 90% of the team at the time).

Jefferson just didn't show up if he wasn't making baskets or highly involved, which is difficult with a Big 3.

At least Kawhi Leonard is active all over the court, and doesn't take a minute off. Plus, Jackson and Diaw off the bench is solid.

[td4mvp21]

What about defensive stats, such as Opp. FG% and 3FG%? Anyone have those numbers?

[Spursfanfromafar]

What about defensive stats, such as Opp. FG% and 3FG%? Anyone have those numbers?

Opponent 3FG% before the RJ trade - 35.75%;
Opponent 3FG% after the RJ trade - 34.73%;

Opponent FG% before the RJ trade - 45.26%,
Opponent FG% after the RJ trade - 44.6%,


Team FG% before RJ trade - 46.3%;
Team FG% after RJ trade - 50.4%;

Team 3FG% before RJ trade - 39.5%
Team 3FG% after RJ trade - 39.7%

Anyway you slice /dice it.. the team has been better off.

[Solid D]

Opponent 3FG% before the RJ trade - 35.75%;
Opponent 3FG% after the RJ trade - 34.73%;

Opponent FG% before the RJ trade - 45.26%,
Opponent FG% after the RJ trade - 44.6%,


Team FG% before RJ trade - 46.3%;
Team FG% after RJ trade - 50.4%;

Team 3FG% before RJ trade - 39.5%
Team 3FG% after RJ trade - 39.7%

Anyway you slice /dice it.. the team has been better off.

:tu ...and thus, the point of this thread. We suspected it, but I decided to do the research to confirm our suspicions.

[vander]

wow.




wow.

[timvp]

Quality stuff :tu

All the numbers at the time pointed to the Spurs improving simply by getting rid of RJ. Factor in the additions of Jackson and Diaw and statistically it's not too surprising that the Spurs would be much better off ... but watching it in action has been awesome.

:smokin

[smaka]

Another proof this trade was the trade of a decade for the Spurs.
Young Kawhi getting a lot of minutes, motivated Jax on bench... What else could you wish for?


Oh, yeah: :lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt2:

:flag::flag:

[lurker23]

Highly underrated thread. Thanks for bringing the goods Solid D and Spursfanfromafar. :tu :toast

[ElNono]

I was expecting for him to pull something basketball related, but as soccer fans, I also didn't discount the possibility of this happening. He did the latter. Then Real proceeded to skunk Barcelona at Camp Nou. My weekend was completely destroyed.

:hat

:lol

[z0sa]

Clearly Spurs are missing RJ and will miss his 6.5PPG from last playoffs even more when this post season rolls around.











:)

[Spursfanfromafar]

:tu ...and thus, the point of this thread. We suspected it, but I decided to do the research to confirm our suspicions.

:tu

[The_Worlds_finest]

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Lol

[td4mvp21]

Opponent 3FG% before the RJ trade - 35.75%;
Opponent 3FG% after the RJ trade - 34.73%;

Opponent FG% before the RJ trade - 45.26%,
Opponent FG% after the RJ trade - 44.6%,


Team FG% before RJ trade - 46.3%;
Team FG% after RJ trade - 50.4%;

Team 3FG% before RJ trade - 39.5%
Team 3FG% after RJ trade - 39.7%

Anyway you slice /dice it.. the team has been better off.

Thanks :tu

The under 45% Opponent FG is encouraging. Ideally it'd be lower, but that's decent defense.

[bus driver]

i liked RJ when he was with the spurs :oops

i guess i was blinded by something, damn. its like dating the ugly girl and not knowing until she leaves

[Man In Black]

Fuck Yeah!

[gambit1990]

where among the league do we rank in points in the paint? and where did we when jeff was here this season?

[smrattler]

It means that while some say the Spurs uptempo style is like the PHX Suns style from prior years..."good for the regular season not for the playoffs"...the more the Suns scored the more their opponents followed suit. Not the case with the Spurs. They've actually increased their scoring +8.32 and decreased their opponents scoring -0.21 since the trade.


I hope people understand how impressive that actually is.