Utah (34-30) vs Phoenix (33-31)

[Venti Quattro]

Some playoff scenarios:

Phoenix has a 2-0 record over Utah this season. However, if Utah beats Phoenix tonight, then the cast for the West will be complete.

If Phoenix beats Utah and one of these things happen: (a) Phoenix W vs San Antonio; (b) Phoenix L vs San Antonio and Utah L vs Portland, then Utah is going home for the spring.

However, if Phoenix beats Utah and loses to San Antonio with a combination of Utah winning vs Portland, then they still are going home.

:hungry: exciting match-up :hungry:

[SpursIndonesia]

Yeah, just bounce The Nashers out of contention please, and let our PHX game became meaningless for them so our scrubs can whip theirs.

[Spurs9]

Looking forward to watching this tonight

[Reck]

C'mon Phoenix do this..........................so you can get swept by Spurs later on. :lol

[Girasuck]

Neither team will come close to beating the Spurs, but I think Utah has a better chance of taking a series against the Spurs to 6 games.

I guess this is a big game tonight, but for me it's win-win no matter what happens. I'd like to see the young guys get playoff games, but how much good would it do to get swept? On the other hand...if we lose tonight and miss the playoffs, we'll most likely have 2 more lottery picks and don't have to give Minny our pick. We don't need two more picks, but it gives us options as far as a trade.

I guess in a perfect world we get Golden State's #8 pick and make the playoffs, giving the young guys some playoff experience.

[FailureNotAnOption]

As a Spurs fan I want Phoenix. Revenge first and foremost. Second, Utah plays much more physical and considering this may be the first playoffs since 2007 the Spurs are essentially healthy, I don't want anything screwing that up.

Otherwise I think it's a wash. Nash gets fired up vs the Spurs for obvious reasons and can bring an MVP effort on any given night. His execution of the pick and roll has caused major trouble for San Antonio time and time again. OTOH, Devin Harris will be a handful for Tony Parker over a series if he's fired up.

Either should be an entertaining series.

[pass1st]

If SAS gets Suns then Duncan better watch out for a crazy old man in the crowd

[Reck]

If SAS gets Suns then Duncan better watch out for a crazy old man in the crowd

I thought he had relocated to LA. :lol

[Reck]

yeah because millsap and jefferson will dominate blair and bonner inside. same problems that memphis and la present to the spurs, only on a much smaller scale.

I dont think Blair is gonna see much time in the playoffs.

I think Pop is finally settling on Splitter.

[boutons_deux]

Spurs are 3-1 vs Jazz.

In the 1L the Spurs Big3 sat.

Spurs first round should be 4-1 worst case.

[Otaku]

Utah has this in the pocket. No way Phoenix can get to the playoffs.

[DMC]

Spurs are 3-1 vs Jazz.

In the 1L the Spurs Big3 sat.

Spurs first round should be 4-1 worst case.
I'd say 5:1 to be honest.

[100%duncan]

Is this the game blog too?

[Venti Quattro]

yes, this is the game blog

[100%duncan]

Ok cool, can't wait for this war to start.

[Brazil]

is that on tnt ?

[Venti Quattro]

is that on tnt ?

yes

[ElNono]

bump dis ish

[100%duncan]

Here we go, love the playoff atmosphere.

[Trainwreck2100]

both these teams halfcourt offenses are atrocious

[Brazil]

yes

thx

should be a nice game

[Venti Quattro]

I'm getting off the pc to watch this. It's going to be fun watching these two teams kill each other for a playoff spot.

[SpursIndonesia]

10-8 Suns, all starters have scored, Gortat strong rebounding.

[Trainwreck2100]

spurs can still troll the suns tommoro though

[100%duncan]

both these teams halfcourt offenses are atrocious

Yup, and their fast break game is not that good too.

[Robz4000]

Utah showing why their bigs can be trouble for the Spurs, even if they miss shots; they play pretty physical. Good to see they still can't guard the three though.

[100%duncan]

Great game. And Ghill becoming a full time G.

[timtonymanu]

TJastal: I miss George Hill. :cry

[Venti Quattro]

How is Shannon Brown suddenly a three point threat? That fatass could not hit a shot that was not a dunk in LA.

[Brazil]

I can't believe POs are starting saturday... crazy schedule and crazy season... During a couple of months I thought we wouldn't be able to watch bb this year

[Brazil]

How is Shannon Brown suddenly a three point threat? That fatass could not hit a shot that is not a dunk in LA.

Fisher on one side
Nash on the other side

[SpursIndonesia]

Darn, what a gangbang team of Utah bigmen !! As long Utah guards & wing don't chuck happy from outside, i like Utah chance tonite.

[Venti Quattro]

Hill is missing shots that he is usually making. Not good for a survival game.

[Brazil]

Utah is going to give us some headache.
Their bigs are tough, rebound well, blk shots, run the floor and their wings are dynamic. Hayward is the kind of player who can explode during the POs. I would be much more concern with RJ in our squad, with jax, Leonard we have some arguments.

[100%duncan]

Nash needs to take over

[Reck]

Hill is missing shots that he is usually making. Not good for a survival game.

Is he playing tonight? He's been sidelined for quite some time. May be rusty.

[DAF86]

If the series against Utah goes more than 5 games I'll quit Spurstalk.

[Venti Quattro]

Yes he is. He has extra padding on his right knee

[Reck]

utah bigs gonna bang on big shitty and blair/bonner

What's your beef with the Spurs? Did Parker porked your wife or something too?

[Brazil]

If the series against Utah goes more than 5 games I'll quit Spurstalk.

I'll keep that as a reference DAF :lol

Utah is solid tbh

[DAF86]

I'll keep that as a reference DAF :lol

Utah is solid tbh

I doubt they'll win tonight.

[Venti Quattro]

Kevin Harlan should always get the nod on bigger games over Marv Albert. But usually he gets the West Coast games, or the East Coast only if the West Coast game is better.

[Venti Quattro]

Slowpoke > Kanter

[Robz4000]

Gonna be a true game of runs tbh. If it's close at the end Nash will take over and win it.

[Reck]

Nash is too passive. He needs to seize this game by the balls.

[Trainwreck2100]

i cant wait for the endless Men at work promos during the playoffs. Better than "tyler perry's sack of crap" though.

[Reck]

Phoenix ain't want this.

[Venti Quattro]

Too many gimmies missed. They need to calm the fuck down.

[100%duncan]

If the series against Utah goes more than 5 games I'll quit Spurstalk.
This but btw...
Spurs will sweep Utah.

[Robz4000]

Spurs are gonna torch either of these teams in the first round, they play so undisciplined. They have the physical part down, though.

[Reck]

lmao 8% shooting percentage for the Jazz and they are still leading by 4. Fucking Suns.

[Brazil]

Utah is going to win that game easy

[Brazil]

Spurs fans underrating an 8 seed again ? really guys ? u didn't learn from last year ?

[Reck]

Why is Nash just being a simp out there?

[VBM]

Matt Bonner is curled up in the fetal position watching Favors take Gortat's cookies.

[Reck]

Gortat is a fucking toilet tonight.

[timtonymanu]

Spurs fans underrating an 8 seed again ? really guys ? u didn't learn from last year ?

Last year's Grizzlies would beat both of these teams in a series.

[Brazil]

I want Phoenix on the first round, this team is a joke tbh

[Robz4000]

Spurs fans underrating an 8 seed again ? really guys ? u didn't learn from last year ?
No, but this Jazz team is no Grizz team from last year. They'll present some challenge but nothing the Spurs can't handle.

[crc21209]

Spurs fans underrating an 8 seed again ? really guys ? u didn't learn from last year ?

You can never underestimate ANY NBA team, but let's be real, neither the Jazz or the Suns are as good as the Grizzlies were last year...

[Brazil]

Last year's Grizzlies would beat both of these teams in a series.

I have no doubt about that but it doesn't mean we have to consider the jazz as a piece of cake

[Reck]

Just imagine the winning margin the Spurs would have against the Suns.

They could probably even rest the big 3 on the playoffs. :lmao

[Robz4000]

Just imagine the winning margin the Spurs would have against the Suns.

They could probably even rest the big 3 on the playoffs. :lmao
The Suns are similar to the Spurs, so the Jazz beating up on them will be a similar story for the Spurs in the playoffs. Difference is the Big 3's championship experience; without it the Suns would have a very real chance of beating the Spurs.

[Brazil]

I'm telling as I see it Favors, millsap and jefferson are going to give headache to our front court. Hayward is damn good and Harris always give tp trouble for whatever reason. The jazz is not the grizz of last year but they are solid.

[Robz4000]

I'm telling as I see it Favors, millsap and jefferson are going to give headache to our front court. Hayward is damn good and Harris always give tp trouble for whatever reason. The jazz is not the grizz of last year but they are solid.
So far this season TP has shit on Harris. Timmy has shut down Al fairly well. Hayward, Favors, and possibly Millsap will cause some headaches however.

[CGD]

I like this Jazz team. They have nothing on the Spurs this year, but nice future is on the horizon. They just need to get an upgrade at PG.

[crc21209]

Wow....Steve Nash looked ridiculously old on that play there. He let Harris take the ball away from him like nothing...

[timtonymanu]

I have no doubt about that but it doesn't mean we have to consider the jazz as a piece of cake

Oh I agree. The Jazz front line will eat up Bonner. And there's former Mavs Harris and Howard. Both who light us up every time. I see the series going to at least 5.

[Reck]

Ok I officially want the Jazz.

Suns are too much of a fucking joke to even have the privilege to be in the playoffs.

[Pelicans78]

Utah needs to draft Damian Lillard to be their future PG.

Hornets could use Lillard as well

[timtonymanu]

That half went by faster than that entire Celtics-Heat game.

[crc21209]

Oh I agree. The Jazz front line will eat up Bonner. And there's former Mavs Harris and Howard. Both who light us up every time. I see the series going to at least 5.

Howard is out for the year....

[irishock]

Winner gets swept by Spurs.


May as well tank for a higher pick.

[timtonymanu]

Howard is out for the year....

He's playing tonight.

[Fpoonsie]

That half went by faster than that entire Celtics-Heat game.







That's usually how it works.

[LkrFan]

Gortat is a fucking toilet tonight.

It appears to me that you don't want to see Utah in the 1st round. Amiright? :downspin:

[crc21209]

He's playing tonight.

Oh wow, my bad. Well still, being out practically half the year doesnt help him. He only played 6 minutes in the 1st half so I doubt he'll be a factor come playoff time (if they make it).

[Reck]

It appears to me that you don't want to see Utah in the 1st round. Amiright? :downspin:

Doesn't matter to me. either team will be dog meat but I do prefer the Suns.

Suns=sweep
Jazz=in 5, potential 6 games.

[100%duncan]

The Spurs will dominate both teams in all aspects. Yes they are physical but that's all they got.

[VBM]

Lol Harris gettin' his flop on

[Robz4000]

Nash is starting to fuck up, but I can't help but feel the Suns are cruising while keeping it close. This reminds me of their last game.

[ElNono]

Suns quitting like Giuseppe, tbh

[Robz4000]

Finger? Looked like he got elbowed in the eye...

[Reck]

Its a wrap.

[Trainwreck2100]

Gortat wants the summer off it would seem

[Robz4000]

Warrick trying to breathe life into the Suns, but then Harris says go back to sleep.

[Axe Murderer]

For DoK's sake i hope the Suns get their playoff cookie taken

And I think a SA-UTAH series would be slightly more entertaining

[NRHector]

The Suns look like they don't want to go to the playoffs, I don't blame them they suck

[Robz4000]

Utah beginning to fall apart...

[ElNono]

hold the presses

[ElNono]

Haven't seen much Phoenix this season, but Nash looks done

[Robz4000]

What the hell kind of call was that?

[Robz4000]

:lol Jazz really can't shoot free throws

[VBM]

How is Phx in this game?

[Robz4000]

Never been to SLC, but I'm surprised how much it reminds me of Phoenix tbh (provided you aren't looking towards the mountains).

[Robz4000]

If Phoenix is within 5 points when Nash comes back in, they'll win this.

[timtonymanu]

Great game.

[pass1st]

Amazing how Nash gets so many assists with a pretty average team

[100%duncan]

Lets go PHX! Win this and you have a prize tomorrow

[Reck]

Get Nash in.

[SpursIndonesia]

Meltdown Utah ???

[Robz4000]

Suns are done cruising, Jazz are in meltdown mode.

[Robz4000]

Utah meltdown averted, Suns now fucking up

[100%duncan]

How are suns in the game with nash out

[Reck]

Lopez doing nothing. lol

[100%duncan]

Suns can't buy a rebound. :lmao at Jazz shooting

[Robz4000]

Lopez can't rebound for shit when it's being contested.

[100%duncan]

Why the fuck is Gentry sitting Nash? This is the last important game of the season if they lose.

[Reck]

How are suns in the game with nash out

They're fucked.

They waited too long to put him in.

Dont even bother putting him in now. This is game.

[Robz4000]

Why the fuck is Gentry sitting Nash? This is the last important game of the season if they lose.
The bench did a good job getting them back into it and keeping it close. Now they're starting to fall apart so expect Nash to be back in after this break.

[100%duncan]

Gentry is a weird coach tbh.

[ElNono]

Just when you think the Suns are making a push, they shit the bed again... and if Nash is not going to play extended minutes in this game, when?

[Robz4000]

Damn Lopez, grab a rebound :lol

[100%duncan]

Lopez soft as shit. Frye was really an important factor in this team.

[100%duncan]

Fuck Nash go back in there you idiot.

[Robz4000]

Surprised Nash isn't back yet. This game is set to get out of hand at any moment.

[100%duncan]

I really want Suns in the playoffs now. What a quick series

[100%duncan]

DeFlop

[100%duncan]

Game over Gentry :lol you idiot

[Robz4000]

Shit, that could do it

[NRHector]

I really want Suns in the playoffs now. What a quick series

but those idiots don't want to go to the playoffs

[crc21209]

The Suns are fucking idiots. I've seen them chuck 3 after 3 after 3 this quarter, and brick them all....

[100%duncan]

:lmao jefferson

[VBM]

but those idiots don't want to go to the playoffs

Lol giving Utah a free win earlier this month

[crc21209]

Way to save Nash for his couch this Summer Gentry...:tu :lol

[100%duncan]

Suns showing no desire. Pussies

[Axe Murderer]

:lol who was that cuckold who missed the wide open dunk??

[100%duncan]

^ Big Al

[NRHector]

Lol giving Utah a free win earlier this month

the Spurs can give them a free win tomorrow but no they're already making fishing plans

[100%duncan]

If the Suns win tonight, Pop will know the who the best opponent for them will be and it gives him 2 options. But these pussified Suns ain't showing no heart.

[Robz4000]

Suns need to do something now they prolly haven't done seriously in decades: play defense.

[100%duncan]

:lmao Gortat. Fuck you, bye bye.

[Brazil]

its over

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Gentry is a weird coach tbh.
Gentry has one of the shittiest rosters in the NBA and somehow has it above .500

I'd be surprised if 5 other coaches in the NBA would be able to have this team above .500 and in playoff contention right up until the end of the season.

[Robz4000]

Welp, so much for defense. That's game.

[100%duncan]

Nash will go to the Heat anyways.

[100%duncan]

Gentry has one of the shittiest rosters in the NBA and somehow has it above .500

I'd be surprised if 5 other coaches in the NBA would be able to have this team above .500 and in playoff contention right up until the end of the season.

Yup, he has a shot at the playoffs but chose to sit Nash until the game is out of control.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

rofl all the GNSF commentary in this thread about what the Suns should be doing is hilarious. They maybe less talent collectively than any team in the NBA other than the Charlotte Bobcats and they're still in playoff contention. When Steve Nash is the only player on the team capable of creating anything off the dribble you don't have much of a choice other than chucking the first open 3 you get since it might be the last open shot you see on that possession.

[Spurs da champs]

Damn Gortat has gotten blocked so much by Favors & Jefferson, poor guy.

[100%duncan]

Brick!

[100%duncan]

Alright, it's Utah then.

[ducks]

nash any points in fourth LOL

[ElNono]

well, Suns are done...

[ducks]

nash 38 minutes tonight

[NRHector]

bye bye suns :wakeup

[Robz4000]

rofl all the GNSF commentary in this thread about what the Suns should be doing is hilarious. They maybe less talent collectively than any team in the NBA other than the Charlotte Bobcats and they're still in playoff contention. When Steve Nash is the only player on the team capable of creating anything off the dribble you don't have much of a choice other than chucking the first open 3 you get since it might be the last open shot you see on that possession.
Suns have some legit talent on their team in Warrick, Telfair, Dudley, and Morris. Redd may not be the lost cause I thought he was either.

[timtonymanu]

I would have never thought Jazz would be making the playoffs this year much less the Suns actually coming close.

[Robz4000]

...and then Redd misses an easy layup :lmao

[VBM]

Spurs fuck Phoenix again...indirectly

[crc21209]

Utah it is...

[100%duncan]

So our bench will not have any reason to give the game tomorrow.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yup, he has a shot at the playoffs but chose to sit Nash until the game is out of control.
At the end of the 3rd quarter the Suns were down by 5 and Nash went to the bench.

He re-entered the game with 6:15 left in the 4th with Phoenix down by 4. Phoenix is now down by 11. So during the 4th quarter, Telfair has a +1 and Nash has a -7.

Yeah, you're right, Gentry fucked up by not getting Nash in sooner!

[Robz4000]

Jazz won't beat the Spurs 4 out of 7 times, but their frontline is good enough to win them a game or two at home. Their bench is fairly deep too.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Bye suns. End of an era.. SSOL RIP.

[ElNono]

this is good for the Spurs now... they can sit their guys tomorrow if Chicago wins, since the Suns are already out...

[timtonymanu]

We could still draw Denver in the 1st round too, couldn't we? Jazz aren't locked in 8th yet?

[lurker]

How empty is US Airways Center going to be next season with Nash gone? Yikes.

[ElNono]

Jazz won't beat the Spurs 4 out of 7 times, but their frontline is good enough to win them a game or two at home. Their bench is fairly deep too.

I'll be mildly disappointed if the series go over 5 games, tbh

[timtonymanu]

rofl all the GNSF commentary in this thread about what the Suns should be doing is hilarious. They maybe less talent collectively than any team in the NBA other than the Charlotte Bobcats and they're still in playoff contention. When Steve Nash is the only player on the team capable of creating anything off the dribble you don't have much of a choice other than chucking the first open 3 you get since it might be the last open shot you see on that possession.

Tbh, I was hoping your team would make it so we could get one more Spurs/Suns playoff matchup and since you guys swept us last time :lol.

[100%duncan]

At the end of the 3rd quarter the Suns were down by 5 and Nash went to the bench.

He re-entered the game with 6:15 left in the 4th with Phoenix down by 4. Phoenix is now down by 11. So during the 4th quarter, Telfair has a +1 and Nash has a -7.

Yeah, you're right, Gentry fucked up by not getting Nash in sooner!

Thank you.

[Robz4000]

I'll be mildly disappointed if the series go over 5 games, tbh
Same. If this Jazz team pushes the Spurs that far, they won't beat the Grizz or Clippers.

[Spurs da champs]

Jazz won't beat the Spurs 4 out of 7 times, but their frontline is good enough to win them a game or two at home. Their bench is fairly deep too.

They'd beat up our big's outside of Tim tho, Favors would a big time problem.

[Brazil]

So Nash next year playing for the heat ? apparently they need another star there, 3 is not enough

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Suns have some legit talent on their team in Warrick, Telfair, Dudley, and Morris.
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Yeah, all those B-list and C-list role players are some legit talent!

If you legitimately think the Suns have a good amount of talent you should climb back into your mother's womb so she can go to town with the clothes hanger she meant to use when she was pregnant.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Thank you.
:lmao ignoring the part of the post that demonstrates your stupidity.

[Spurs da champs]

But regardless when his team needs buckets in the 4th quarter of a crucial game, Steve Nash always fails to deliver.

[Robz4000]

We could still draw Denver in the 1st round too, couldn't we? Jazz aren't locked in 8th yet?
We could, but with the way the Thunder played tonight against the damn Kings, I think Denver will have a solid chance to go in there and steal a win. If not they just need to beat the T-Pups.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Bye suns. End of an era.. SSOL RIP.
:lmao seriously? End of an era? The SSOL era has been dead for years.

[ElNono]

We could still draw Denver in the 1st round too, couldn't we? Jazz aren't locked in 8th yet?

They clinched... Denver would need to lose the next two games, and Utah win their last one... but Denver should beat Minnie in their last game

[VBM]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4OrWvnzQZT8/TsVvuKdd8vI/AAAAAAAAAE8/Ug6gO_SkKKs/s1600/diddy4bt.png

[Axe Murderer]

sons this thread is the perfect example on why I said a head coach is pointless.

You have Gentry, who lead his team to a good year considering the talent, and you still have dumbasses who say "They need to make a change since they missed the playoffs again!!!"

[Robz4000]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

Yeah, all those B-list and C-list role players are some legit talent!

If you legitimately think the Suns have a good amount of talent you should climb back into your mother's womb so she can go to town with the clothes hanger she meant to use when she was pregnant.
Would you take Bonner and Blair over those two?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

So Nash next year playing for the heat ? apparently they need another star there, 3 is not enough
Why do people still think, "Nash has gotta go to a contender at this point!" when he's made it clear he doesn't want to win.

Nash is resigning in Phoenix. Probably a 3 year, $24mil contract that no other team would be caught dead giving him.

[100%duncan]

:lmao ignoring the part of the post that demonstrates your stupidity.

Ok so you really want to be humiliated? Say, if Nash was out there AT LEAST 8 mins to go in the game or the time when the game was tied, the outcome could have been a different right? But instead Gentry stayed with Telfair, and put Nash in the game, although 4 points down only, that Utah had much momentum in their hands. And fuck the plus minus, Bonner is our leader in plus minus even if he goes 0/10 from the field.

[timtonymanu]

Oh and :lmao Deron Williams.

[ElNono]

lol confetti

[Spursfanfromafar]

:lmao seriously? End of an era? The SSOL era has been dead for years.

The remnants remained with Steve Nash.. And you are delusional if you think he is staying after this season.

Nash is either taking his talents to the South Beach or going to another contender.

Loyalty counts only for so much.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Would you take Bonner and Blair over those two?
You're either deliberately acting stupid or you're borderline retarded.

San Antonio has at least 8 players noticeably better/more talented than Bonner or Blair. Warrick and Morris are the two best power forwards on the Suns' roster and often times are relied on as scoring options. That's a retarded comparison.


"Hey, the Suns have talent because two of the Suns rotation players relied on to give them production every game are more talented than the Spurs' 9th and 10th best players!"

[Banzai]

Spurs going to destroy the Jazz in 4 tbh.

[ElNono]

Spurs going to destroy the Jazz in 4 tbh.

I'll pray to that, tbh

[Robz4000]

You're either deliberately acting stupid or you're borderline retarded.

San Antonio has at least 8 players noticeably better/more talented than Bonner or Blair. Warrick and Morris are the two best power forwards on the Suns' roster and often times are relied on as scoring options. That's a retarded comparison.


"Hey, the Suns have talent because two of the Suns rotation players relied on to give them production every game are more talented than the Spurs' 9th and 10th best players!"
You just called Warrick and Morris B/C-grade role players. That is what Bonner and Blair are. Why don't you get over your butthurt of being eliminated from playoff contention and start thinking about your responses rationally.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The remnants remained with Steve Nash.. And you are delusional if you think he is staying after this season.

Nash is either taking his talents to the South Beach or going to another contender.

Loyalty counts only for so much.
I don't want him to stay in Phoenix, I want him gone. It's not me being delusional, it's me being one of the few people who don't automatically associate an undersized white athlete with an intense desire to win.

Nash has it easy in Phoenix. When the Suns win, people herald Nash's ability to carry the team. When they lose, Nash never gets blame but rather his supporting cast does. There's no pressure on him. He's made it abundantly clear going to a team where winning is demanded and expected isn't at the top (or even on) his bucket list.

[lurker]

Why do people still think, "Nash has gotta go to a contender at this point!" when he's made it clear he doesn't want to win.

Nash is resigning in Phoenix. Probably a 3 year, $24mil contract that no other team would be caught dead giving him.
He's leaving, you can tell by how his responses to being asked what happens after this season have changed these past few months.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You just called Warrick and Morris B/C-grade role players. That is what Bonner and Blair are. Why don't you get over your butthurt of being eliminated from playoff contention and start thinking about your responses rationally.
Did you read my post? The difference is the fact that Warrick and Morris are just as talented as any other player on the Suns, Bonner and Blair have less talent than at least 8 Spurs players. Since you're stupid enough to think I'm pissed they're not gonna make the playoffs and get swept (even though I've repeatedly said I want them to lose till Sarver leaves), I guess you're stupid enough to not realize the Suns have NOTHING BUT ROLE PLAYERS OUTSIDE OF NASH. Without Nash, this team would be competing with Charlotte for worst record of all time. Warrick, Morris, Telfair and Dudley all have the ceiling of decent bench player. None of them will ever be starters on a contender much less all stars. All but a few players on the Suns right now are bench players.

Name a team other than the Bobcats that has less talent than the Suns.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I don't want him to stay in Phoenix, I want him gone. It's not me being delusional, it's me being one of the few people who don't automatically associate an undersized white athlete with an intense desire to win.

Nash has it easy in Phoenix. When the Suns win, people herald Nash's ability to carry the team. When they lose, Nash never gets blame but rather his supporting cast does. There's no pressure on him. He's made it abundantly clear going to a team where winning is demanded and expected isn't at the top (or even on) his bucket list.

Thats just stupid. Winning mentality has got nothing to do with race or nationality.

Nash is like any other guy who wants to win. He is also like any other player who wants to win and earn his due money as well. The Phoenix FO kept screwing him by regressing his team's talent, but they were contending till as late as 2 years ago when Kobe overcame them on his own. There wasn't a contending team that could afford him the past 2 years or didn't have a good PG in a strong PG heavy league and that's why he didn't go.

But he is not coming back if Phoenix won't improve and chances are that they won't at all -

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7752775/steve-nash-listen-miami-heat-free-agent

[Spurs da champs]

Did you read my post? The difference is the fact that Warrick and Morris are just as talented as any other player on the Suns, Bonner and Blair have less talent than at least 8 Spurs players. Since you're stupid enough to think I'm pissed they're not gonna make the playoffs and get swept (even though I've repeatedly said I want them to lose till Sarver leaves), I guess you're stupid enough to not realize the Suns have NOTHING BUT ROLE PLAYERS OUTSIDE OF NASH. Without Nash, this team would be competing with Charlotte for worst record of all time. Warrick, Morris, Telfair and Dudley all have the ceiling of decent bench player. None of them will ever be starters on a contender much less all stars. All but a few players on the Suns right now are bench players.

Name a team other than the Bobcats that has less talent than the Suns.
Outside of John Wall the Wizards aren't talented.

[Dinamita]

Did you read my post? The difference is the fact that Warrick and Morris are just as talented as any other player on the Suns, Bonner and Blair have less talent than at least 8 Spurs players. Since you're stupid enough to think I'm pissed they're not gonna make the playoffs and get swept (even though I've repeatedly said I want them to lose till Sarver leaves), I guess you're stupid enough to not realize the Suns have NOTHING BUT ROLE PLAYERS OUTSIDE OF NASH. Without Nash, this team would be competing with Charlotte for worst record of all time. Warrick, Morris, Telfair and Dudley all have the ceiling of decent bench player. None of them will ever be starters on a contender much less all stars. All but a few players on the Suns right now are bench players.

Name a team other than the Bobcats that has less talent than the Suns.

http://i.imgur.com/P3lmK.jpg

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He's leaving, you can tell by how his responses to being asked what happens after this season have changed these past few months.
Like I've said repeatedly, I hope you and everyone else is right, but the way he's responding to questions right now isn't any worse than how he responded to questions in 2009 when all he was doing then was playing Kerr and Sarver like a board game so they would give him the $11M per extension no other team would give him.

It's not about loyalty, Nash wouldn't take the time to pee on a Suns fan wearing his jersey if that fan was dying in a fire. Nash loves Phoenix because he's above criticism here and has no pressure to do jack shit. He gets paid an 8 figure salary to go out and "have fun" for 48 minutes not having a care in the world for what the final score is.

[Robz4000]

Did you read my post? The difference is the fact that Warrick and Morris are just as talented as any other player on the Suns, Bonner and Blair have less talent than at least 8 Spurs players. Since you're stupid enough to think I'm pissed they're not gonna make the playoffs and get swept (even though I've repeatedly said I want them to lose till Sarver leaves), I guess you're stupid enough to not realize the Suns have NOTHING BUT ROLE PLAYERS OUTSIDE OF NASH. Without Nash, this team would be competing with Charlotte for worst record of all time. Warrick, Morris, Telfair and Dudley all have the ceiling of decent bench player. None of them will ever be starters on a contender much less all stars. All but a few players on the Suns right now are bench players.

Name a team other than the Bobcats that has less talent than the Suns.
The fact you continue to use the same insults over and over and type out that wall of text to try to prove your point exposes your anger. You called those two B/C-grade role players. As I said, Bonner and Blair are similarly ranked role players that you could be stuck with instead of those two, and I asked if you'd take them for those two and you didn't answer.

Also, outside of Deron Williams, the Nets have less talent.

[NRHector]

they need to blow up that team, 2 years in row out of the playoffs

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Thats just stupid. Winning mentality has got nothing to do with race or nationality.
I agree, but people automatically assume Nash is some fearless winner because of his skin color when in reality Nash cares about winning no more than Stephon Marbury or Allen Iverson did.


Nash is like any other guy who wants to win.
His behavior the last few years is anything but the behavior of someone who wants to win. If he wanted to win, he wouldn't have signed an extension in 2009, and he wouldn't have publicly endorsed Sarver's decision to let Amare leave.

http://sportsbybrooks.com/steve-nash-doesnt-care-about-winning-nba-title-16510



He is also like any other player who wants to win and earn his due money as well. The Phoenix FO kept screwing him by regressing his team's talent, but they were contending till as late as 2 years ago when Kobe overcame them on his own. There wasn't a contending team that could afford him the past 2 years or didn't have a good PG in a strong PG heavy league and that's why he didn't go.

But he is not coming back if Phoenix won't improve and chances are that they won't at all -

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7752775/steve-nash-listen-miami-heat-free-agent
If Nash really wanted to win, he wouldn't have signed an extension in 2009, and in 2010 he woulda been a free agent able to sign for the MLE with LA, Miami, etc. You said it yourself, the Phoenix FO kept reducing his chances of winning yet he kept endorsing their decisions and he's still in Phoenix.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Although it is true that the Suns overachieved, there are many teams with far less talent than the Suns -

Nets despite Deron Williams
Pistons despite Greg Monroe
Cavs despite Kyrie Irving
Wizards despite John Wall
Rockets (another overachiever)
Bobcats obviously
Warriors despite Stephen Curry

[Robz4000]

Although it is true that the Suns overachieved, there are many teams with far less talent than the Suns -

Nets despite Deron Williams
Pistons despite Greg Monroe
Cavs despite Kyrie Irving
Wizards despite John Wall
Rockets (another overachiever)
Bobcats obviously
Warriors despite Stephen Curry
Warriors have David Lee, and got Andrew Bogut. They have the potential to have one of the top frontlines in the West.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The fact you continue to use the same insults over and over and type out that wall of text to try to prove your point exposes your anger. You called those two B/C-grade role players. As I said, Bonner and Blair are similarly ranked role players that you could be stuck with instead of those two, and I asked if you'd take them for those two and you didn't answer.
I'd be indifferent. Does that answer your question?


Also, outside of Deron Williams, the Nets have less talent.
What the fuck does that mean :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

"If you take away their best player, the Nets have less talent! Doesn't matter that Deron Williams alone makes the Nets a more talented team than Phoenix, cause I think that saying the Nets without Deron Williams have less talent than Phoenix is somehow a valid argument!"

I'll rephrase the question - Give me a team that with its full roster (not a team minus its best player) that has less talent than the Suns.

[Robz4000]

What the fuck does that mean :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

"If you take away their best player, the Nets have less talent! Doesn't matter that Deron Williams alone makes the Nets a more talented team than Phoenix, cause I think that saying the Nets without Deron Williams have less talent than Phoenix is somehow a valid argument!"

I'll rephrase the question - Give me a team that with its full roster (not a team minus its best player) that has less talent than the Suns.

You did the same thing with Nash. With Nash on the Suns they are a borderline playoff team, yet even with Deron Williams the Nets can't make the playoffs in a weak East. If you take either away from their respective teams, the Suns would have more talent.

Look, after the Spurs, the Suns are my favorite team. I admit Nash had a large part to do with the success the Suns had this year. However, there are some players on the Suns that make the future not quite as daunting.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If Nash really wanted to win, he wouldn't have signed an extension in 2009, and in 2010 he woulda been a free agent able to sign for the MLE with LA, Miami, etc. You said it yourself, the Phoenix FO kept reducing his chances of winning yet he kept endorsing their decisions and he's still in Phoenix.

But you are assuming he will do that mistake again (if at all it was a mistake in 2009).

After 2009, he made it to the WCF, beating the Spurs who had tripped his team for years..and lost only to the eventual champions who were Kobe-inspired.

If you weigh his extension to the results, 2009-10 was a great year for Nash.

Since then it has been downhill with the Suns doing nothing to improve the team.

There is no way Nash will want to sign another extension in this environment. It is not 2009.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Warriors have David Lee, and got Andrew Bogut. They have the potential to have one of the top frontlines in the West.

They got Bogut after a trade knowing fully well that he wouldn't play this season. The talk was about this season and not about future ones.

And lol, David Lee!!

[Robz4000]

They got Bogut after a trade knowing fully well that he wouldn't play this season. The talk was about this season and not about future ones.

And lol, David Lee!!
Ah, my bad. Also, David Lee is pretty damn good. I'd give up any of the Spurs' current bigmen outside of Timmy and possibly Splitter for him.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Ah, my bad. Also, David Lee is pretty damn good. I'd give up any of the Spurs' current bigmen outside of Timmy and possibly Splitter for him.

Dude. Pop will never want Lee. Aside from mid range shooting and good rebounding, David Lee is a liability. Very poor defender. Boris Diaw is way better than him.

Between Bonner's choking and Lee's defense, their comparison will be a wash though. Except Bonner earns around $3.3 mil, while Lee earns close to $14 mil for the next 5 years apart from this one.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Although it is true that the Suns overachieved, there are many teams with far less talent than the Suns -

Nets despite Deron Williams
Deron Williams alone gives the Nets more talent. Perhaps I was being unclear, the fact the Suns have a really talented 10th man in Josh Childress is a moot point. The Suns don't have any talent worth building around. Deron Williams gives the Nets a talent infinitely more valuable than anything on the Suns.



Pistons despite Greg Monroe
Knight and Monroe both give the Pistons chips that can actually be built around. Once again, the Suns don't have any talent that'll ever develop into something more than a role player who comes off the bench on a contender.


Cavs despite Kyrie Irving
What I said about Deron Williams applies to Irving. The Cavs have someone to build around, if you're right and the Suns lose Nash, they're at ground zero.


Wizards despite John Wall
John Wall >>>>>>>>>>> more talent than anyone on the Suns


Rockets (another overachiever)
Scola would be the best power forward in the Suns by a long shot
Martin would be the best shooting guard on the Suns by a long shot
Lowry & Dragic > Nash & Telfair talent wise



Bobcats obviously
I said anyone but Charlotte


Warriors despite Stephen Curry
Outside of Charlotte, if you were the GM of New Jersey, Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, or Golden State, would you trade any of their entire rosters for the Suns' roster? Serious question.

[Robz4000]

Dude. Pop will never want Lee. Aside from mid range shooting and good rebounding, David Lee is a liability. Very poor defender. Boris Diaw is way better than him.

Between Bonner's choking and Lee's defense, their comparison will be a wash though.
I think Lee's defensive game could be cleaned up if he had the right coach/environment/mentor. Gonna wait to see what a full off-season with Mark Jackson could do for his game. Even if his D couldn't be improved much, if you combined his offensive game with Duncan's D, they'd be a force.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I said anyone but Charlotte

Outside of Charlotte, if you were the GM of New Jersey, Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, or Golden State, would you trade any of their entire rosters for the Suns' roster? Serious question.

Well the Suns aren't totally a wash as you make it out to be.

Gortat is a very good center and Markieff Morris is as much an upcoming big talent for a first year big as there is a similar one elsewhere.

I reiterate.. the Suns clearly overachieved, but it isn't that theirs is the worst roster apart from Charlotte. There are way more teams below the Suns in the talents' index.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You did the same thing with Nash. With Nash on the Suns they are a borderline playoff team, yet even with Deron Williams the Nets can't make the playoffs in a weak East. If you take either away from their respective teams, the Suns would have more talent.

Look, after the Spurs, the Suns are my favorite team. I admit Nash had a large part to do with the success the Suns had this year. However, there are some players on the Suns that make the future not quite as daunting.
Talent and record aren't the same thing. I think it's a given the Suns' above .500 record is not in any way an accurate reflection of their talent level.

Name a player on the Suns under 30 who'll ever develop into anything more than a role player. You don't get that no matter how many role players like Morris, Warrick, Telfair etc. who have shown flashes of good play you have, none of it matters if your roster is barren of someone to build around which the Suns' is. On top of that, Sarver refuses to let the team bottom out, so all they do is draft more role players with mid round picks.

Warrick and Telfair are also rejects who went to the Suns with little to no options. The fact you cited them as an example of talent who the Suns can rebuild around proves my point.

[Spursfanfromafar]

:lmao are you fucking serious?

Yup.. and I am sure you don't watch basketball, do you?

[Spursfanfromafar]

I'm only a Mavsfanfromamerica but I know David Lee is better than some fatshit frenchy who has been ass in the NBA for years aside from scrub minutes in the past few weeks.

You are an idiot who doesn't know a thing about defense.

How many times has David Lee's team made the playoffs? They have never made it, because his defense is horrible beyond comparison.

Diaw has disappointed in a few seasons, but he has helped teams win as he is doing for the Spurs.

[Robz4000]

Talent and record aren't the same thing. I think it's a given the Suns' above .500 record is not in any way an accurate reflection of their talent level.

Name a player on the Suns under 30 who'll ever develop into anything more than a role player. You don't get that no matter how many role players like Morris, Warrick, Telfair etc. who have shown flashes of good play you have, none of it matters if your roster is barren of someone to build around which the Suns' is. On top of that, Sarver refuses to let the team bottom out, so all they do is draft more role players with mid round picks.

Warrick and Telfair are also rejects who went to the Suns with little to no options. The fact you cited them as an example of talent who the Suns can rebuild around proves my point.
Gortat is 28 and is definitely not just a role player. I really do think Morris and Warrick, who are both under 30, have the potential to be good. They won't be stars, but I can see them becoming solid starters. I never said the Suns had a player to build around, but they have good players that can develop into a Denver-like team or even trade pieces to bring in a player that can be used to rebuild.

[Robz4000]

You are an idiot who doesn't know a thing about defense.

How many times has David Lee's team made the playoffs? They have never made it, because his defense is horrible beyond comparison.

Diaw has disappointed in a few seasons, but he has helped teams win as he is doing for the Spurs.
Golden State didn't make the playoffs because the team as a whole is poor, with poor ownership (unless this Bogut trade works out) and up until this year poor coaching. You can't put the load on Lee; he alone cannot take a team to the playoffs, just like Diaw himself couldn't make the Bobcats not shit.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

But you are assuming he will do that mistake again (if at all it was a mistake in 2009).
I'm saying it wasn't a mistake. Nash isn't stupid, he didn't sign an extension in 2009 because he was naive and thought Sarver was truly gonna turn things around. He signed the extension knowing Amare was probably leaving a year later (when he contract would have expired without extension). He signed an extension because he likes it the way he has it in Phoenix and also because no other team in their right mind was gonna give him 11M a year after he just quit on Porter and led a team mutiny to get him fired.


If you weigh his extension to the results, 2009-10 was a great year for Nash.
Nash was under contract through the 2009-2010 season before the extension. His 2 year extension was over 2 years of him being on a lottery team. The extension wasn't necessary for him to be on the 2010 team.


Since then it has been downhill with the Suns doing nothing to improve the team.
Given how Sarver had worked from 2004-2009, there was no reason for Nash to think Sarver was gonna suddenly start doing stuff to improve the team. Once again, Nash isn't an idiot, and Nash wasn't gonna sign an extension with irrational logic. Nash knew when he signed the extension he was signing up for 2 more years with an owner who didn't give two shits about winning.


There is no way Nash will want to sign another extension in this environment. It is not 2009.
You're complete forgetting how much of a disaster the Suns were when he signed the extension in 2009. They had just missed the players, the media was lobbing non-stop criticism at them for how they treated Porter, and there was a huge divide in the locker room. Signing that extension in 2009 was not in any way something someone who wanted to win above anything else would do.

[ElNono]

I'll take Lee over Diaw every day of the week, twice on Sundays... Diaw's defense is average at best (he looks good when your fallbacks are Blair and Bonner), which matches Lee, and Lee is way more talented offensively.

[ElNono]

Lee just been on bad teams, not much different than DWill... dude can easily average a double-double. You won't ever see that from Diaw.

[Spursfanfromafar]

How many times has David Lee been on a team with any talent? Even with his shitty defense, David Lee offers way, way more to a team than Boris Fucking Diaw.

Ask every Spurs fan on the planet and 99% of them would trade Diaw for Lee in a heartbeat. The other 1% are fucking retards from you who watch the NBA "from afar" and think because they can bandwagon onto Manu's team they suddenly know what the hell they're talking about.

Nonsense.

Basketballvalue says that the Warriors give up 5 points more when they play David Lee on the floor.. (over scrubs or newbies such as Ekpe Udoh, Chris Wright, Gladness, etc).. And this is a bad defensive team that gets worse.

Why would a Spurs team that needs their big to play atleast above average defense want David Lee?

Boris Diaw as long as he has played for the Spurs, even in limited minutes ..(and he is a starter now) has improved the Spurs defense replacing Blair. He is the best passing big in the team and he is on a minimum contract.

Why the eff would anyone want Lee on the Spurs with a contract that pays him $14 million (more than Manu, Parker, and Jackson?)

I follow the NBA from afar, but I watch games and know enough to distinguish a good big from a defensively challenged one.

You? A bad mouthing racist idiot who doesn't know a thing, apparently.

[timtonymanu]

Give me Lee over Diaw any day. And I'm a fan of Diaw's play in San Antonio.

[ElNono]

tbh, the only valid argument I could see is that Lee put up big numbers because he played on shit teams, but Diaw played on shit teams too and was never even close.

[Spursfanfromafar]

You're complete forgetting how much of a disaster the Suns were when he signed the extension in 2009. They had just missed the players, the media was lobbing non-stop criticism at them for how they treated Porter, and there was a huge divide in the locker room. Signing that extension in 2009 was not in any way something someone who wanted to win above anything else would do.

That still doesn't suggest that he will sign an extension now. Thats all I have to say.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Gortat is 28 and is definitely not just a role player.
On a contending team he'd be one.


I really do think Morris and Warrick, who are both under 30, have the potential to be good.
This is now Warrick's 7th season in the NBA and he's given no indication he's ever gonna be better than he is right now. This was his least productive season since his rookie year, so it's great that you think he has potential to be good, but any GM in his right mind wouldn't expect Warrick to suddenly start getting better after 7 years in the NBA.


They won't be stars, but I can see them becoming solid starters.
Once again, Warrick has been in the NBA for 7 years and has yet to become a solid starter, what logical reason do you have for thinking he's gonna suddenly become one after two seasons with the Suns where he was even less productive than in previous years. There's a much higher chance of him regressing even further. I'm pretty sure Hakeem Warrick's mother sees less potential in him than you do.


I never said the Suns had a player to build around, but they have good players that can develop into a Denver-like team or even trade pieces to bring in a player that can be used to rebuild.
Denver will never have a prayer at being a contender the way they currently are. Which pieces can the Suns trade for a player they can rebuild around?

[Axe Murderer]

:lmao I think Obstructed_View and Whisky Dog had a love child and spat out Spursfanfromafar

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

That still doesn't suggest that he will sign an extension now.
I agree it doesn't, but that wasn't "all you had to say" originally. Your first argument was "Nash wants to win as much as anyone else" and the 2009 extension proves that he doesn't.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Apparently all that game watching hasn't taught you the difference between a 20/10 machine and a fat lazy slob.

20/10 machine who gives up 5 more points than a combination of Gladness, Moore, Jenkins, Udoh (since departed)

versus

A High IQ player who is not as fat as he was with the Bobcats..and is a hardworking defensive player as compared to Bonner/ Blair..

I take the latter. And glad that you acknowledge that you are an idiot who doesn't watch games. Do that and we will talk.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I agree it doesn't, but that wasn't "all you had to say" originally. Your first argument was "Nash wants to win as much as anyone else" and the 2009 extension proves that he doesn't.

I said "Nash wants to win as much as anyone else" and "he wants to earn his pay as much as anyone else". I don't agree that it was predestined that his squad will get worse in 2009 ..it was good enough in 2010..

It is predestined now that it will remain bad for a year more and Nash is losing time and he *has* earned his pay now and can afford to play for a MLE *now*.

..is what I am saying.

[ElNono]

I personally always liked Gortat... I thought he would've been a great piece to play next to Duncan...

I think the biggest issue with these Suns has been the old guys... Hill missed some games, Nash can only play limited minutes, Redd is halfway done... they put all their chips there and it didn't pay off...

Then there's Lopez not developing into anything, and relying on guys like Telfair...

Other than that, there are some nice pieces there to put around a superstar... Gortat, Shannon Brown, Dudley, Morris, Frye...

[Axe Murderer]

I personally always liked Gortat... I thought he would've been a great piece to play next to Duncan...

I think the biggest issue with these Suns has been the old guys... Hill missed some games, Nash can only play limited minutes, Redd is halfway done... they put all their chips there and it didn't pay off...

Then there's Lopez not developing into anything, and relying on guys like Telfair...

Other than that, there are some nice pieces there to put around a superstar... Gortat, Shannon Brown, Dudley, Morris, Frye...

biggest mistake was letting Amare go

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Also, MarQueef Morris averaged 7.5 points, 4.4 rebounds, and 39.9% shooting this year. My guess is being surrounded by bigger shit made him look better, but nothing about his is particularly promising or special. He's a power forward who shot below 40%. That's abysmal even for a rookie.

[Spursfanfromafar]

:lmao I think Obstructed_View and Whisky Dog had a love child and spat out Spursfanfromafar

Now that the garbage cans Lakaluva, Koolaid, Culburn etc have been tamed and the Forum is sane enough for me to post.. there is still some shit left in folks like you.. Lets see how long you last.

[Axe Murderer]

Now that the garbage cans Lakaluva, Koolaid, Culburn etc have been tamed and the Forum is sane enough for me to post.. there is still some shit left in folks like you.. Lets see how long you last.

ouch?

[ElNono]

biggest mistake was letting Amare go

That's on Sarver not wanting to pay up...


Also, MarQueef Morris averaged 7.5 points, 4.4 rebounds, and 39.9% shooting this year. My guess is being surrounded by bigger shit made him look better, but nothing about his is particularly promising or special. He's a power forward who shot below 40%. That's abysmal even for a rookie.

Well, he is a rook and so you have to give him some time... I mean, Lopez is in his 4th season and still garbage... there's a legitimate gripe there...

[Spursfanfromafar]

I personally always liked Gortat... I thought he would've been a great piece to play next to Duncan...

I think the biggest issue with these Suns has been the old guys... Hill missed some games, Nash can only play limited minutes, Redd is halfway done... they put all their chips there and it didn't pay off...

Then there's Lopez not developing into anything, and relying on guys like Telfair...

Other than that, there are some nice pieces there to put around a superstar... Gortat, Shannon Brown, Dudley, Morris, Frye...

Yup. Gortat is really good. And Dudley, Brown, Morris, Frye are role players who could make a contending team very good indeed.

[Robz4000]

On a contending team he'd be one.
Put him on the Spurs, Heat, Mavs, Celtics, or Thunder and he'd be an important starter.


This is now Warrick's 7th season in the NBA and he's given no indication he's ever gonna be better than he is right now. This was his least productive season since his rookie year, so it's great that you think he has potential to be good, but any GM in his right mind wouldn't expect Warrick to suddenly start getting better after 7 years in the NBA.


Once again, Warrick has been in the NBA for 7 years and has yet to become a solid starter, what logical reason do you have for thinking he's gonna suddenly become one after two seasons with the Suns where he was even less productive than in previous years. There's a much higher chance of him regressing even further. I'm pretty sure Hakeem Warrick's mother sees less potential in him than you do.
He has shown flashes, but he's also stuck behind Channing Frye who brings veteran leadership, fits the system pretty well, and is a good player to boot. Warrick may not become a starter, but he has time. Bowen wasn't much of a good player until he came to the Spurs, and look what happened?



Denver will never have a prayer at being a contender the way they currently are. Which pieces can the Suns trade for a player they can rebuild around?
Never said they were, but then again this is about being a playoff team. Also, if Detroit could win that way, no reason Denver can't eventually.

[ElNono]

Yup. Gortat is really good. And Dudley, Brown, Morris, Frye are role players who could make a contending team very good indeed.

FYI, you need a thicker skin down here... :lol

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I personally always liked Gortat... I thought he would've been a great piece to play next to Duncan...
Yeah, and like every other piece next to Duncan, he'd be a role player.


I think the biggest issue with these Suns has been the old guys... Hill missed some games, Nash can only play limited minutes, Redd is halfway done... they put all their chips there and it didn't pay off...
The Suns would still suck if Hill and Nash were healthy and played 40 minutes a game. They didn't legitimately put all their chips in the Nash and Hill pot hoping it would work, they lost all their other chips and it was the only pot they had available to put their chips in. Redd was signed midseason so I'm not sure why you're portraying him as some vital piece the Suns were expecting a lot from.


Other than that, there are some nice pieces there to put around a superstar... Gortat, Shannon Brown, Dudley, Morris, Frye...
Having "nice pieces to put around a superstar" means nothing. Getting pieces to put around a superstar has never been the problem, getting a superstar has been. You could say Tyrus Thomas, Gerald Henderson, Kemba Walker and Bismack Byombo give the Bobcats some "nice pieces to put around a superstar"

[Old Man Kidd]

Now that the garbage cans Lakaluva, Koolaid, Culburn etc have been tamed and the Forum is sane enough for me to post.. there is still some shit left in folks like you.. Lets see how long you last.

Hey faggot, make like your name and be a spur fan far from the nba forum, thanks.

[Spursfanfromafar]

FYI, you need a thicker skin down here... :lol

Learning..adapting :)

[Spursfanfromafar]

hey faggot, make like your name and be a spur fan far from the nba forum, thanks.

gnmf...

[Old Man Kidd]

^that's telling me? The Retarded Trio may be gone, but I'm not sure why you took that as any sort of a cue that it would be ok to bring your retarded homerism downstairs in their place and think it would be tolerated.

:cry B-b-but Boris Diaw is really good :cry

shut up, bitch.

[Spursfanfromafar]

^that's telling me? The Retarded Trio may be gone, but I'm not sure why you took that as any sort of a cue that it would be ok to bring your retarded homerism downstairs in their place and think it would be tolerated.

:cry B-b-but Boris Diaw is really good :cry

shut up, bitch.

Boris Diaw is really good.

[Old Man Kidd]

Given Spur fan's obsession with fat, undersized powerforwards I'm sure you sincerely believe that statement.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Put him on the Spurs, Heat, Mavs, Celtics, or Thunder and he'd be an important starter.
Calling a role player an "important starter" is basically the same thing as calling a janitor a custodian. You're either a star or you're a role player. Gortat would be a role player.



He has shown flashes, but he's also stuck behind Channing Frye who brings veteran leadership, fits the system pretty well, and is a good player to boot.
I don't even know what to say to this.


Warrick may not become a starter, but he has time. Bowen wasn't much of a good player until he came to the Spurs, and look what happened?
Bowen was 2nd all NBA defense the season before he went to San Antonio, so that, among other reasons, is why comparing Bowen coming to San Antonio with Warrick coming to Phoenix is as asinine as it gets. And no, he doesn't have time. He's had 7 years to show the league something and he hasn't. It's illogical and stupid to think that after 7 years it's gonna change. Warrick just had his worst year since he was a rookie, the way you're raving about his potential makes no sense at all.



Never said they were, but then again this is about being a playoff team. Also, if Detroit could win that way, no reason Denver can't eventually.
Detroit after getting Sheed was a historically great defense. That's another comparison which is wildly asinine and stupid.

The Nuggets have the 3rd highest offensive rating in the league and the 20th highest defensive rating in the league.

The 2004 Pistons had the 18th highest offensive rating in the league and the 2nd highest defensive rating in the league. One team won with great defensive that made it so mediocre offense was enough. The other team wins as an up tempo fast break team that wins by getting in regular season chucking contests. Did you seriously think comparing the two was a legitimate argument?

[Old Man Kidd]

:lmao comparing an offensive minded team with below average defense to one of the best defensive teams of all time.

Sup robz, do you also suffer from the downz?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

:lmao comparing an offensive minded team with below average defense to one of the best defensive teams of all time.

Sup robz, do you also suffer from the downz?
:lmao The 2012 Nuggets are basically the polar opposite of the 2004 Pistons and GNSF thinks he made some great comparison

[ElNono]

Yeah, and like every other piece next to Duncan, he'd be a role player.

Sure.


The Suns would still suck if Hill and Nash were healthy and played 40 minutes a game. They didn't legitimately put all their chips in the Nash and Hill pot hoping it would work, they lost all their other chips and it was the only pot they had available to put their chips in. Redd was signed midseason so I'm not sure why you're portraying him as some vital piece the Suns were expecting a lot from.

I disagree as far as Nash and Hill goes. Nash just couldn't handle the compressed season, and you could see that in his tired legs the last few games and why Gentry had to basically sit him. When you drop from Nash to Telfair, then you definitely have a big problem. I'm guessing they thought Nash could handle the amount of games, but he looked spent. As far as Redd, it has to do with Hill missing 20 games. He's been Mr reliable the past two seasons and Dudley will only give you so much. Redd was expected to pick up the slack, but he's damaged goods, IMO.


Having "nice pieces to put around a superstar" means nothing. Getting pieces to put around a superstar has never been the problem, getting a superstar has been. You could say Tyrus Thomas, Gerald Henderson, Kemba Walker and Bismack Byombo give the Bobcats some "nice pieces to put around a superstar"

I'm not debating that. I do honestly think the Suns thought they still had a superstar in Nash. Not what I think, but what I suspect they did.
At the end of the day though, they were two wins away from making the playoffs. That's better than even the Rockets, tbh (not going to count Portland due to the injuries).

[Old Man Kidd]

The suns are basically a big ass pile of shit, why are you guys arguing with one of the best sun fans on the board about this? Sorry, but if you see any talent on that roster you might be retarded. It boggles the mind how they even made it to the 9th seed, its obvious they try harder than other teams during the regular season and has been apparent for a couple of years now. Their sole objective is to sneak in as a 7th/8 seed and sell tickets.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I disagree as far as Nash and Hill goes. Nash just couldn't handle the compressed season, and you could see that in his tired legs the last few games and why Gentry had to basically sit him. When you drop from Nash to Telfair, then you definitely have a big problem. I'm guessing they thought Nash could handle the amount of games, but he looked spent. As far as Redd, it has to do with Hill missing 20 games. He's been Mr reliable the past two seasons and Dudley will only give you so much. Redd was expected to pick up the slack, but he's damaged goods, IMO.
So lets say hypothetically Hill and Nash handle the compressed season, can play big minutes and don't miss games (which is a dumb hypothetical given their age). The Suns would still be 1st round fodder. You're acting like their season was gonna be remarkably different if Nash and Hill coulda played a few more minutes and not missed as many games.




I'm not debating that. I do honestly think the Suns thought they still had a superstar in Nash. Not what I think, but what I suspect they did. At the end of the day though, they were two wins away from making the playoffs. That's better than even the Rockets, tbh (not going to count Portland due to the injuries).
They were 2 wins away from making the playoffs when more than 50% of the teams make the playoffs. Why do you act like "Almost being one of the 8 best teams in a 15 team conference" is something to thump your chest over? If you can't make the playoffs in the NBA it means there's absolutely no doubt you're a rebuilding team.

[ElNono]

Diaw is an upgrade over shitstains like Blair or Bonner, IMO... you just need to consider where you're setting the bar here... Lee is at a different level though...

[Old Man Kidd]

my favorite part is where he says frye "fits the system well." hell yeah he does, all 3's and no D baby PERFECT FIT!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

When you make statements like this, it's time to pack it up and call it a day.

And :lol at Robz, who's most likely watched the Suns 3 times all season, acting like an expert on all their role players. Even funnier when he's arguing with an actual Suns fan
He's prolly watched the Suns about as much as he's watched the 2012 Nuggets or 2004 Pistons :lmao

[ElNono]

So lets say hypothetically Hill and Nash handle the compressed season, can play big minutes and don't miss games (which is a dumb hypothetical given their age). The Suns would still be 1st round fodder. You're acting like their season was gonna be remarkably different if Nash and Hill coulda played a few more minutes and not missed as many games.

They were 2 wins away from making the playoffs when more than 50% of the teams make the playoffs. Why do you act like "Almost being one of the 8 best teams in a 15 team conference" is something to thump your chest over? If you can't make the playoffs in the NBA it means there's absolutely no doubt you're a rebuilding team.

It's a business DoK... more games, more fans excited, more money coming in... you just saw Utah drop the confetti after nailing the 8th seed. Do they know they're not winning shit? Sure. Do their fans feel a lot happier that their season isn't over Friday? Sure.

Only 1 team wins the 'ship every year. There's probably only 5 (or less) legitimate contenders every season. Not all the other 25 teams are rebuilding.

[Robz4000]

:lmao comparing an offensive minded team with below average defense to one of the best defensive teams of all time.

Sup robz, do you also suffer from the downz?
Hint: I never once compared their style of play, just their team make-up (no superstars).

:lmao The 2012 Nuggets are basically the polar opposite of the 2004 Pistons and GNSF thinks he made some great comparison
:lol polar opposite. Tbh at this point you're just looking for excuses to shit on your team and those around you. I'm done.

[ElNono]

Frye is bench material at best... fucker played great when he was looking for a contract though...

[Old Man Kidd]

It's a business DoK... more games, more fans excited, more money coming in... you just saw Utah drop the confetti after nailing the 8th seed. Do they know they're not winning shit? Sure. Do their fans feel a lot happier that their season isn't over Friday? Sure.

Only 1 team wins the 'ship every year. There's probably only 5 (or less) legitimate contenders every season. Not all the other 25 teams are rebuilding.

There's a difference in being relatively young and mediocre with a ceiling of maybe someday contending, and being barely mediocre with mediocrity as your absolute ceiling built around an aging point guard. the suns system isn't even built to win, their system is built solely to sell tickets. utah's system is ugly, physical grind it out basketball. you're comparing apples to oranges here.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hint: I never once compared their style of play, just their team make-up (no superstars).
You said, "If Detroit can win that way, there's no reason Denver can't eventually." If that's not comparing style of play it sure as fuck sounds like it. Otherwise, it's really stupid logic and you might as well say, "If the Pistons can win that way, there's no reason Charlotte can't eventually!"


:lol polar opposite. Tbh at this point you're just looking for excuses to shit on your team and those around you. I'm done.
:lol you've shat and pissed yourself in this thread more than even R Kelly could dream of pissing and shitting on young adult women.

[Old Man Kidd]

Hint: I never once compared their style of play, just their team make-up (no superstars).

:lol polar opposite. Tbh at this point you're just looking for excuses to shit on your team and those around you. I'm done.

an elite defensive team with one of the greatest defenses of all time can get away without having a superstar on offense, a fun and gun team without a superstar however can't. are you just playing around and being stupid on purpose?