Official Cosmored 9/11 theory thread

[ChumpDumper]

Post it here, Cosmored.

No YouTubes, no links.

Just your own words.

[The_Worlds_finest]

Why are you so fucking obsessed with arguing the subject?

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you so fucking obsessed with arguing the subject?Why do you care?

This is Cosmo's time to shine.

[Nbadan]

Chumpy butthurt is an ugly thing..

[ChumpDumper]

Evasive dan is an entertaining thing.

Your own thread has been made for you, dan.

Post your theory there.

[Sec24Row7]

God this troll is tired... and I hate truthers...

[clambake]

make it official.

[ChumpDumper]

I think I made what I think pretty clear in post #1 of this thread.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144746

What these experts say about the towers is proof by itself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ

If I have to spell out what I think, you're not worth the time.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222
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I do think you're a shill who knows 9/11 was an inside job as well as the truthers do.Actually, you made nothing clear at all. You started out with a stupid claim about a fighter jet hitting the Pentagon and then just said some throwaway lines like thermite is important and "they" did it for the oil. Then you just ejaculated a slew of poorly written mumbo jumbo and approximately nine hours of YouTubes even you wouldn't watch.

You simply aren't capable of of making a sane argument in your own words about what really happened on 9/11 because you know deep down that none of your conspiracy theories could ever actually pan out and that if you ever dared to commit to a theory that attempts to explain all the events of 9/11, it would be easily picked apart by the simplest logic and critical thinking.

After a decade, you have no explanation and no theory -- all you have are a bunch of links that make no sense when considered as a whole and a persecution complex and a list of imaginary enemies whom you think are paid by the government to laugh at you on a basketball message board.

By failing miserably to even start a basic explanation in your own words, you proved that you aren't serious about any of this and can forever be dismissed out of hand.

I'm sure your next post will be more whining about shills and disinfo agents and a few more hours of YouTubes you never watched.

[RandomGuy]

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If I have to spell out what I think, you're not worth the time.

If you are that much smarter than everybody else, putting forth your theory shouldn't be that hard.

[TeyshaBlue]

"If I have to spell out what I think, you're not worth the time."

Ahhh...the Wild Cobra defense.

[Blake]

I think the government planned and carried out the attacks so they would have a pretext to go into the Middle East and take control of the oil there. The way the towers fell alone proves that the the government was behind it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw-jzCfa4eQ)

The fact that the craft that hit the Pentagon was too small to be a 757 alone proves the government was behind it.
http://0911.voila.net/index4.htm

There. That's what I think.

you posted a theory?

you posted a theory!

[RandomGuy]

I think the government planned and carried out the attacks so they would have a pretext to go into the Middle East and take control of the oil there. The way the towers fell alone proves that the the government was behind it.



you posted a theory?

you posted a theory!

Yay. An actual theory.

Now all we need to do is identify the people who planned it and executed it.

That and show how it would be possible, to a reasonable degree to do.

That and then explain how we didn't end up in control of any oil in Afghanistan, and not really in control of the oil in Iraq either...

[ChumpDumper]

Here's a question for ChumpDumper and RandomGuy.

Do you think the US exploits other countries?
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145531You'll have to be more specific. The "controlling the oil" conspiracy didn't really work out for you, so you'll have to explain how you're actually trying to tie this to your 9/11 conspiracy theory.


Do you believe what we are taught in school?Like what? I was taught a lot of things in school. Most of it is totally believable. Like math.


Do you believe that the US goes to war to defend freedom and democracy in the world?Sometimes. Not all the time -- but if your only reason for the US government's killing 3000 of its own citizens and destabilizing its own economy for years was to get det oil -- which they didn't actually get -- I'd say there were far easier and less costly ways to go about it.

Now, explain your theory.

[Nbadan]

You'll have to be more specific. The "controlling the oil" conspiracy didn't really work out for you, so you'll have to explain how you're actually trying to tie this to your 9/11 conspiracy theory

Actually, the oil conspiracy thingy worked out pretty well. Today, Iraq exports twice the amount of Petroleum it did with Saddam, (no other country has doubled capacity) much of that investment by Pro-NATO forces countries that either supported or remained neutral while NATO attacked a country which had not supported international terrorism

[Blake]

How much oil does the US get from Iraq

[Nbadan]

You simply aren't capable of of making a sane argument in your own words about what really happened on 9/11 because you know deep down that none of your conspiracy theories could ever actually pan out and that if you ever dared to commit to a theory that attempts to explain all the events of 9/11, it would be easily picked apart by the simplest logic and critical thinking.

One of the reason that 9/11 conspiracy theories have continued to persist is because the 911 Commission and NIST did such a poor job providing peer-reviewed scientific evidence of its theories concerning the collapse of WTC towers 1,2 and 7. We have chairpersons of the 9/11 commission calling for a new investigation because they feel that evidence that could have made the case for state sponsored support of terrorism was withheld and some witnesses flat out lied to the commission. Yet Chumpy and RG know better than most members of the commission....it would be laughable if it weren't so sad...

[Nbadan]

How much oil does the US get from Iraq

How much oil did the US control (or NATO, remember one world government) in Iraq under Saddam?

[mouse]

I have to support ChumpDumper in making this topic it would be nice to give our "personal" views on 9/11 w/o
All the links and copy n paste.


I seriously doubt anyone will give a legitimate reason WTC7 collapsed due to a few small fires.

[Wild Cobra]

I seriously doubt anyone will give a legitimate reason WTC7 collapsed due to a few small fires.
You claim to have gone to MIT?

If you don't understand what heat does to steel, then I say bullshit to you being a student there.

[ChumpDumper]

One of the reason that 9/11 conspiracy theories have continued to persist is because the 911 Commission and NIST did such a poor job providing peer-reviewed scientific evidence of its theories concerning the collapse of WTC towers 1,2 and 7. We have chairpersons of the 9/11 commission calling for a new investigation because they feel that evidence that could have made the case for state sponsored support of terrorism was withheld and some witnesses flat out lied to the commission. Yet Chumpy and RG know better than most members of the commission....it would be laughable if it weren't so sad...Please give us links to quotes from the chairpersons of the 9/11 commission proving your contention.

You have been called out again.

[ChumpDumper]

I have to support ChumpDumper in making this topic it would be nice to give our "personal" views on 9/11 w/o
All the links and copy n paste.


I seriously doubt anyone will give a legitimate reason WTC7 collapsed due to a few small fires.Do you want your own thread?

Nevermind, you would never say what you think really happened on 9/11 anyway.

[Blake]

How much oil did the US control (or NATO, remember one world government) in Iraq under Saddam?

I don't know. How much?

[mouse]

Do you want your own thread?

Nevermind, you would never say what you think really happened on 9/11 anyway.

Do you want your own thread?
Never mind you would never say the truth of what happened on 9/11

[Blake]

Do you want your own thread?
Never mind you would never say the truth of what happened on 9/11

Start it. See what happens.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you want your own thread?
Never mind you would never say the truth of what happened on 9/11I have said what I believe really happened on 9/11 many, many times.

You and your ilk never, ever have -- and never will. It's amazing that you are so sure that it didn't happen one way, but can't even imagine a way it could have happened in that case. That's because deep down you know you are full of shit and nothing you dream up would stand even the mildest scrutiny.

Normally, I'd be inclined to tell you folks to STFU since you really have nothing to say about this topic. Now, however, I welcome your snarky posts that say nothing, because it proves you have nothing to say.

So I'll keep asking and you will never answer, and we'll all know why:

What do you think really happened on 9/11?

[mouse]

You claim to have gone to MIT?

If you doubt my credentials then put 1,000 on my paypal account and I will promptly fax you my documents.



If you don't understand what heat does to steel, then I say bullshit to you being a student there.

heat does to steal after 4 hours?

http://911truthaustralia.com/images/wtc7.gif

or after 10 hours?

http://www.septembercoup.com/images/madrid02.gif

[mouse]

I have said what I believe really happened on 9/11 many, many times.


And yet you question others?

[ChumpDumper]

And yet you question others?The ones who haven't said what they believe really happened on 9/11 -- absolutely.

What do you think really happened on 9/11, mouse?

I am questioning you because you have never said what you believe really happened on 9/11.

[lefty]

Kobe raPERIOD

[Nbadan]

Please give us links to quotes from the chairpersons of the 9/11 commission proving your contention.

You have been called out again.

Committee member Senator Bob Graham


“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.

Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee Senator Bob Kerry....


...in a sworn affidavit of his own in the case that “significant questions remain unanswered” about the role of Saudi institutions. “Evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible Saudi government agents in the September 11th attacks has never been fully pursued,” Mr. Kerrey said.

NY Times (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/911-commissioner-and-co-chair-of-congressional-inquiry-into-911-say-in-sworn-declarations-that-saudi-government-linked-to-911-attacks.html)

All this information is out there, but Chumpy and RG, whether they have some hidden agenda, or maybe they don't like to look stupid, although every time they act like they knew better than Senators who were privy to evidence which most of us were not, they do.....they want to keep you ignorant because it does not fit into their agenda...

[Nbadan]

Bush lied and people died...so where is the accountability? Are Presidents immune from criminal neligence?

THE NOBODY TOLD ME SCAM


The President asserts that no adviser told him about a cell and, further, that on several occasions in spring and summer 2001 he “asked his briefers whether any of the threats pointed to the United States.” The August 6 briefing paper states without ambiguity that a cell—people behaving as members of a cell—existed at that time. The record clearly establishes that George W. Bush was told repeatedly, from September 2000 onward, of precisely such threats. The Commission knew that experts—terrorism specialists who worked around the clock (often taking three meals a day at their desks)—had composed hair-burning tirades, had dared at length to “scream” unavailingly for attention, and had finally begged in despair to be relieved of posts rendered utterly meaningless by their superiors' unresponsiveness.

In September 2000, before the election, John McLaughlin, then acting deputy director of the CIA, camped at Bush's ranch in Texas with a CIA team bringing the harrowing message. Ben Bonk, deputy chief of the CIA's Counterterrorist Center, was among the experts who told Bush that Americans would die in terrorist acts led or inspired by Bin Laden during the next four years. Authoritatively assembled material was submitted to the Bush/Cheney transition team spelling out the fact that “al Qaeda had ‘sleeper cells’ in more than 40 countries, including the United States.” An attachment to this paper, submitted in January 2001, focused on “al Qaeda's presence in the United States.” When James Pavitt, CIA deputy director for operations, briefed the president-elect at Blair House, he described Bin Laden as “one of the gravest threats to the country.” Bill Clinton told Bush in a two-hour session on national security: “‘I think you will find that by far your biggest threat is Bin Ladin and the al Qaeda.’” Clinton spoke as one who had lived through a rain of jihadist bombs—the Black Hawk Down incident, the African embassies, the Cole, the Millennium Threat, among them. Bush later said that he “felt sure President Clinton had mentioned terrorism, but did not remember much being said about al Qaeda.” All this is in the Report for anyone to see.

Given the evidence, the Commissioners who meant to serve fact—meant truly to foster the future security of this country—would have had to confront, through words and acts, the gap between the President's absurd, nobody-told-me assertions and the plain record before them of repeated attempts to draw his attention away from Iraq to the threat that closed the very street on which he and his family lived. They would have been forced to raise the question, to themselves and to their audience, of whether this level of ignorance and obliviousness, this much incontrovertible proof of neglect and indifference, could be passed over in silence by men and women of patriotic good conscience. They would have been forced to admit to themselves that they knew what they knew.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/10/0080234

[Nbadan]

From the September 11 Commission co-chairs


The panel [i.e. the 9/11 Commission] also said the failure of the Bush administration to allow officials to be interviewed without the presence of government colleagues could impede its investigation, with the commission's chairman suggesting today that the situation amounted to "intimidation" of the witnesses.
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[9/11 Commission co-chairs] Mr. Kean and Mr. Hamilton suggested that the Justice Department was behind a directive barring intelligence officials from being interviewed by the panel without the presence of agency colleagues.

At a news conference, Mr. Kean described the presence of "minders" at the interviews as a form of intimidation. "I think the commission feels unanimously that it's some intimidation to have somebody sitting behind you all the time who you either work for or works for your agency," he said. "You might get less testimony than you would."

"We would rather interview these people without minders or without agency people there," he said.

And as I previously noted, a recently released 9/11 Commission memo complains that:

Minders “answer[ed] questions directed at witnesses;”

Minders acted as “monitors, reporting to their respective agencies on Commission staffs lines of inquiry and witnesses’ verbatim responses.” The staff thought this “conveys to witnesses that their superiors will review their statements and may engage in retribution;” and

Minders “positioned themselves physically and have conducted themselves in a manner that we believe intimidates witnesses from giving full and candid responses to our questions.”

Still think this isn't an important issue?

Link (http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/07/co-chair-of-911-inquiry-american.html)

[ChumpDumper]

Committee member Senator Bob Graham



Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee Senator Bob Kerry....



NY Times (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/03/911-commissioner-and-co-chair-of-congressional-inquiry-into-911-say-in-sworn-declarations-that-saudi-government-linked-to-911-attacks.html)

All this information is out there, but Chumpy and RG, whether they have some hidden agenda, or maybe they don't like to look stupid, although every time they act like they knew better than Senators who were privy to evidence which most of us were not, they do.....they want to keep you ignorant because it does not fit into their agenda...Ok, so you said earlier that you think the US government is behind the 9/11 attacks.

Now you are pimping the idea that the Saudi government was behind the 9/11 attacks.

Which is it, dan?

Pick one.

[ChumpDumper]

Bush lied and people died...so where is the accountability? Are Presidents immune from criminal neligence?

THE NOBODY TOLD ME SCAM



http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/10/0080234So you don't think Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.

You really need to narrow things down, dan. You're all over the place.

[ChumpDumper]

Cosmored came back. Let's see if he can state his theory in his own words without links yet.

[ChumpDumper]

Since he is going off in another thread, I'm bumping this to give him yet another opportunity to tell everyone what he thinks really happened on 9/11.