If Tim Duncan gets title #5 this year, does he surpass Kobe?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Does he?

[Spursfan092120]

Duncan was already ahead of Kobe in GOAT standings. Thanks for playing.

[z0sa]

:lol terrible trollbait since Tim Duncan has been considered better than Kobe his entire career

People talk about Kobe chasing MJ when real NBAfan knows he's really chasing both Shaq and Timmy.

[Venti Quattro]

I expect this thread to run 15 to 20 pages long.

[VBM]

Does he?

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29800000/I-see-what-you-did-there-random-29838646-500-510.jpg

[Spursfan092120]

I expect this thread to run 15 to 20 pages long.

http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/it-shall-be-magnificent.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1600/kobepotd.jpg

...:lmao

[Juggity]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1600/kobepotd.jpg

...:lmao

"as voted on nba.com"

http://dailyteaparty.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/things-stupid-voters-say1.jpg

http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/images/s/stupid_voters-12173.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MW3DrqbpQ2Q/SUfNh7MIXPI/AAAAAAAAAvk/J_sVHKwAEJg/s400/Stupid+voter+trick.JPG

[Dex]

:lmao Lebron James

[Deuce Bigalow]

^
mad

8% LMAO

[Deuce Bigalow]

ESPN Top 15 All-time Fan Voting:

Best NBA Player
(#1 Votes)Points
• 1 Michael Jordan — (9,045) 169,604
• 2 Magic Johnson — (346) 138,297
• 3 Wilt Chamberlain — (409) 117,860
• 4 Kobe Bryant — (1,004) 114,772
• 5 K. Abdul-Jabbar — (169) 114,335
• 6 Larry Bird — (137) 114,197
• 7 Bill Russell — (431) 112,836
• 8 Oscar Robertson — (79) 78,883
• 9 Jerry West — (39) 76,879
• 10 Julius Erving — (25) 69,883
• 11 Shaquille O'Neal — (14) 62,509
• 12 Hakeem Olajuwon — (21) 54,101
• 13 Tim Duncan — (31) 51,936
• 14 Moses Malone — (3) 34,894
• 15 George Mikan — (9) 31, 724

Ouch

[LkrFan]

:lol terrible trollbait since Tim Duncan has been considered better than Kobe his entire career

People talk about Kobe chasing MJ when real Spurfans knows he's really chasing both Shaq and Timmy.

FIXED. You're welcome. :downspin:

[z0sa]

Kobe above kareem, Big O, Bird, Hakeem AND Shaq? :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[LkrFan]

Deuce dropping a deuce on Spurfans! :lol

[z0sa]

sup Kbefan

[VBM]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1600/kobepotd.jpg

...:lmao

Yao should have been an option...he would have had 98% of the vote

[Deuce Bigalow]

Deuce dropping a deuce on Spurfans! :lol

saw your sig.

Heres the moment recreated in MS Paint by some guy from another forum

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/user_images/3710000/AlphaWolf-3710325_294_236.jpg

:lmao

[LkrFan]

sup Kbefan

LKrFan. First and foremost. :tu

[LkrFan]

saw your sig.

Heres the moment recreated in MS Paint by some guy from another forum

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/user_images/3710000/AlphaWolf-3710325_294_236.jpg

:lmao

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yao should have been an option...he would have had 98% of the vote

No he wouldn't. Most of the Asians would still vote for Kobe :lol

[z0sa]

LKrFan. First and foremost. :tu

If true you would never support ranking Kobe above Kareem tbh

[jeebus]

This should've been posted upstairs imho

[VBM]

No he wouldn't. Most of the Asians would still vote for Kobe :lol

Ha...forgot about the Kobe factor in China. Ok, Yao would have only gotten 93% of the vote.

[Venti Quattro]

This should've been posted upstairs imho

People will go apeshit upstairs if this was posted there. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

upstairs? Spurs forum?

[Venti Quattro]

upstairs? Spurs forum?

No, brother. In heaven. Where God answers all our prayers through Godvine.

[Frenzy]

Still don't get why people compare Tim and kobe..two totally diffierent positions.

[LkrFan]

If true you would never support ranking Kobe above Kareem tbh

I don't see him as better than Cap. Show me where I EVER said that. However comma - I vehemently believe he is better and has had a better career than Tim Duncan. Even without 5>4 tbh.

[LkrFan]

People will go apeshit upstairs if this was posted there. :lol

Truth. And if I truly responded how I felt about this debate up there, I'd get pinked. :lol

[z0sa]

I don't see him as better than Cap. Show me where I EVER said that. However comma - I vehemently believe he is better and has had a better career than Tim Duncan. Even without 5>4 tbh.

Well that fan list (:lol Kobe better than all those guys) was the closest thing to a truth bomb Deuce dropped, and it was still dead wrong ... which were you propping him up for, the POTD vote? :lmao

[dbreiden83080]

Already is..

[dbreiden83080]

ESPN Top 15 All-time Fan Voting:

Best NBA Player
(#1 Votes)Points
• 1 Michael Jordan — (9,045) 169,604
• 2 Magic Johnson — (346) 138,297
• 3 Wilt Chamberlain — (409) 117,860
• 4 Kobe Bryant — (1,004) 114,772
• 5 K. Abdul-Jabbar — (169) 114,335
• 6 Larry Bird — (137) 114,197
• 7 Bill Russell — (431) 112,836
• 8 Oscar Robertson — (79) 78,883
• 9 Jerry West — (39) 76,879
• 10 Julius Erving — (25) 69,883
• 11 Shaquille O'Neal — (14) 62,509
• 12 Hakeem Olajuwon — (21) 54,101
• 13 Tim Duncan — (31) 51,936
• 14 Moses Malone — (3) 34,894
• 15 George Mikan — (9) 31, 724

Ouch

Kobe 4th all Time.. :lol

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

are you really using fan voting? and this really should be posted upstairs.

[Venti Quattro]

Rating them against each other would take the fun out of watching two top 10 all-time greats.

[Koolaid_Man]

ESPN Top 15 All-time Fan Voting:

Best NBA Player
(#1 Votes)Points
• 1 Michael Jordan — (9,045) 169,604
• 2 Magic Johnson — (346) 138,297
• 3 Wilt Chamberlain — (409) 117,860
• 4 Kobe Bryant — (1,004) 114,772
• 5 K. Abdul-Jabbar — (169) 114,335
• 6 Larry Bird — (137) 114,197
• 7 Bill Russell — (431) 112,836
• 8 Oscar Robertson — (79) 78,883
• 9 Jerry West — (39) 76,879
• 10 Julius Erving — (25) 69,883
• 11 Shaquille O'Neal — (14) 62,509
• 12 Hakeem Olajuwon — (21) 54,101
• 13 Tim Duncan — (31) 51,936
• 14 Moses Malone — (3) 34,894
• 15 George Mikan — (9) 31, 724

Ouch

You may not know this but the poster known as Midnight_Pulp literally has OCD also known as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. It's a neurological disorder that literally causes your brain to get stuck on the same thought in sort of an endless loop.

His particular mental disorder is that when he see's water or when it rains he thinks he's literally drowning...Last year in a post he admitted to calling 911 like 44 times in a month (or something close to that) because while standing on his front porch he literally thought he was drowning.

Now I say all that to say this...with this post you're going to cause him to go into some compulsive rage over PER....:lmao

[Killakobe81]

Does he?

I see what you did there ...and you are right. He would have a CHANCE to surpass Kobe ... in fact he rings this year especially beating Miami with a STRONG performance ...doesnt have to be Finals MVP but as second best player on team third best in series I would push him back over Kobe.

[Man In Black]

Bean is good but Duncan has never missed the playoffs. Ever! Proof positive that he's more badass!

[Stalin]

anyone using fan votes in a debate, needs to kill himself immediatelly!!

[Venti Quattro]

anyone using fan votes in a debate, needs to kill himself immediatelly!!

That's too easy. You should throw him in your gulag

[irishock]

Duncan with 4 rings > Kobe with 2 actual ones

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan with 4 rings > Kobe with 2 actual ones

http://i52.tinypic.com/24ya73s.jpg

[pass1st]

Duncan with 4 rings > Kobe with 2 actual ones

Spurfan should recognize Kobe's contributions during the 3peat, specifically: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

[z0sa]

http://i52.tinypic.com/24ya73s.jpg

:lmao ASG MVPs

[LkrFan]

Kobe 4th all Time.. :lol

He has more rings than Wilt. Will pass him in scoring.
He has the same amount of rings as Magic. He has a chance for more.
He is one behind MJ. Has a chance to catch and surpass him. If he does, ST will probably crash. Most non-Laker fan STers will be on suicide watch.
It's not that much of a stretch to have him that high, although I would still go like this:

Kareem
MJ
Magic
Kobe
Russell

For the record, if he gets #6, he leap frogs Magic and MJ in my eyes. Why? Because his competition and the NBA rules he had to deal with were tougher than MJ. MJ's competition was Joe Dumars, Clyde the Glide, Dominique, Marjle and Reggie Miller. LeHype, Wade, and Durant are all better than those guys. Plus MJ never had to deal with zone defenses. But that's another argument altogether.

To pass Magic, he just needs one more ring IMO.

[pass1st]

He has more rings than Wilt. Will pass him in scoring.
He has the same amount of rings as Magic. He has a chance for more.
He is one behind MJ. Has a chance to catch and surpass him. If he does, ST will probably crash. Most non-Laker fan STers will be on suicide watch.

It's not that much of a stretch to have him that high, although I would still go like this:

Kareem
MJ
Magic
Kobe
Russell

For the record, if he gets #6, he leap frogs Magic and MJ in my eyes. Why? Because his competition and the NBA rules he had to deal with were tougher than MJ. MJ's competition was Joe Dumars, Clyde the Glide, Dominique, Marjle and Reggie Miller. LeHype, Wade, and Durant are all better than those guys. Plus MJ never had to deal with zone defenses. But that's another argument altogether.

To pass Magic, he just needs one more ring IMO.

I'd put Shaq over Kobe, tbh. For half a decade, the most dominant player the NBA has ever seen.

[LkrFan]

Bean is good but Duncan has never missed the playoffs. Ever! Proof positive that he's more badass!

If he was so great, how come Duncan never repeated as a champion? I'll wait... :wakeup

[rayjayjohnson]

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29800000/I-see-what-you-did-there-random-29838646-500-510.jpg

Die slowly

[rayjayjohnson]

He has more rings than Wilt. Will pass him in scoring.
He has the same amount of rings as Magic. He has a chance for more.
He is one behind MJ. Has a chance to catch and surpass him. If he does, ST will probably crash. Most non-Laker fan STers will be on suicide watch.
It's not that much of a stretch to have him that high, although I would still go like this:

Kareem
MJ
Magic
Kobe
Russell

For the record, if he gets #6, he leap frogs Magic and MJ in my eyes. Why? Because his competition and the NBA rules he had to deal with were tougher than MJ. MJ's competition was Joe Dumars, Clyde the Glide, Dominique, Marjle and Reggie Miller. LeHype, Wade, and Durant are all better than those guys. Plus MJ never had to deal with zone defenses. But that's another argument altogether.

To pass Magic, he just needs one more ring IMO.

MJ didn't rely on being bailed out by whistles either

[LkrFan]

I'd put Shaq over Kobe, tbh. For half a decade, the most dominant player the NBA has ever seen.

I wouldn't. Shaq didn't workout like he should have. He should be GOAT. Instead, when his health began to fail him, his game (and dominance) fell off a cliff.

Kobe, even in his 16th year, is still dominant. He still commands a double or triple team. He is still the engine that powers the Lakers. Shaq was awesome for about 7 years. Kobe's been awesome for at least 13 of his 16 years (the first two he really didn't play due to Del Harris' ineptness).

I hear you though. :toast

[pass1st]

Die slowly

9M8IeqMN5uU

[LkrFan]

MJ didn't rely on being bailed out by whistles either

Don't be a dumbass. The refs were in his back pocket. Hate Kobe, but don't make up shit about MJ to support your argument.

[LkrFan]

Duncan with 4 rings > Kobe with 2 actual ones

Sonics. :lol

[rayjayjohnson]

Don't be a dumbass. The refs were in his back pocket. Hate Kobe, but don't make up shit about MJ to support your argument.

Breathe on Kobe and he goes to the line.

MJ had to deal with hand checking.

[pass1st]

I wouldn't. Shaq didn't workout like he should have. He should be GOAT. Instead, when his health began to fail him, his game (and dominance) fell off a cliff.

Kobe, even in his 16th year, is still dominant. He still commands a double or triple team. He is still the engine that powers the Lakers. Shaq was awesome for about 7 years. Kobe's been awesome for at least 13 of his 16 years (the first two he really didn't play due to Del Harris' ineptness).

I hear you though. :toast

No doubt Shaq was a lazy slob that could have been better than Prime Kareem and prime Hakeem combined. I never felt Kobe's prime was good enough to crack the top 5 though. Not in front of Snaq, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem and MJ.

[mavs>spurs]

jordan got yesteryear's equivalent of special treatment but back then was nothing like today in terms of pussification. jordan dealt with way more than kobe ever had to.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

This should've been posted upstairs imho

For real...if this reeled in a few grays down here I can only imagine the asshurt it would bring upstairs.

[LkrFan]

Breathe on Kobe and he goes to the line.

MJ had to deal with hand checking.

MJ was strong as an ox. Lesser players - and there were 100s of them - had to deal with his hand checking as well.

Again, MJ's competition was <<<< Kobe's current competition. Through it all - even in his 16th year - he's still kicking ass and taking names.

Simply put: Kobe would have kicked ass against anybody in MJ's era. From Joe Dumars to Reggie Miller...just like MJ did. Do you deny it?

[pass1st]

MJ was strong as an ox. Lesser players - and there were 100s of them - had to deal with his hand checking as well.

Again, MJ's competition was <<<< Kobe's current competition. Through it all - even in his 16th year - he's still kicking ass and taking names.

Simply put: Kobe would have kicked ass against anybody in MJ's era. From Joe Dumars to Reggie Miller...just like MJ did. Do you deny it?

How he would have done against those Pistons is questionable, they would be hacking Kobe bad.

[LkrFan]

No doubt Shaq was a lazy slob that could have been better than Prime Kareem and prime Hakeem combined. I never felt Kobe's prime was good enough to crack the top 5 though. Not in front of Snaq, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem and MJ.

You are blinded by the awesomeness of his supporting cast from 2004-2006. Kwame, Mihm, Smush, Luke, and inconsistent weed headed Odom. He still was a lucky as Tim Thomas 3ptr away from upsetting a stacked Suns team.

I would actually put Dream over Shaq. Why? You give Dream Kobe - and Shaq's supporting cast - and I will guarantee you more than 3 rings. Dream was a better defender (multiple DPOYs, all-time swatter IIRC), better low post moves, etc. Remember, Dream swept Shaq. Swept him! It wasn't until he teammed up with Kobe did he finally rang. :lol

Kobe's prime was being waisted until they made the Pau trade. Kobe has proven, give him a competent supporting cast and he will give you a great chance to rang. Shaq was gifted another rang in '06. He was less than spectacular with future HOFers such as Nash and LeHype.

I'm very disappointed in Shaq. He should have been so much more. And you know what, deep down in all that girth, I believe he feels the same way. Bottom line: Kobe maximized his talent. Shaq didn't.

[LkrFan]

How he would have done against those Pistons is questionable, they would be hacking Kobe bad.

Agreed - because they surely beat the shit out of MJ. :lol

But what about if Kobe were allowed to do it? We saw him lock down the likes of AI, Westbrook, and many other elite players without hand checking. With it? He'd win DPOY.

[ButtHurt Committee]

Just take a look at all of these great players that have had to kneel to Kobe at one time or another.

Duncan and Robinson on multiple occasions.
Kidd
Pierce KG Allen
A.I.
CP3
Deron Williams multiple times
Howard
KG in Minnesota
Nash
Durant
Pippen
Webber multiple times.

No player has ever gone through the level of competition that Kobe has.

[midnightpulp]

Just take a look at all of these great players that have had to kneel to Kobe at one time or another.

Duncan and Robinson on multiple occasions.
Kidd
Pierce KG Allen
A.I.
CP3
Deron Williams multiple times
Howard
KG in Minnesota
Nash
Durant
Pippen
Webber multiple times.

No player has ever gone through the level of competition that Kobe has.

Duncan and Robinson on multiple occasions. Kirb does lead the series 4-2, but Duncan's head2head playoff stats are slightly better.
Kidd
Pierce KG Allen Tied 1-1
A.I. :lmao. Besides, AI outperformed Kirby in those Finals.
CP3 CP3 outperformed Kirby
Deron Williams multiple times :lmao
Howard :lmao
KG in Minnesota KG outperformed Kirby.
Nash Nash leads Kirby 2-1 head2head.
Durant :lmao
Pippen 75 years old at the time.
Webber multiple times. :lmao

Nice joke post, luva. I had a laugh.

[midnightpulp]

Agreed - because they surely beat the shit out of MJ. :lol

But what about if Kobe were allowed to do it? We saw him lock down the likes of AI, Westbrook, and many other elite players without hand checking. With it? He'd win DPOY.

This is why the world hates Kobe fan. Always rewriting history. Kobe didn't lock down shit. AI averaged 35 points a game in that series on .407 shooting. Now I'm sure you're ready to hammer out a response citing that shooting percentage as "proof" of your bullshit claim, but the thing is, AI averaged .389 for that '01 playoff run, so if anything, he elevated his game against Kirby. :lol

And lol at Kirby ever being a legitimate DPOY candidate, handchecking or not.

[DMC]

We need to start arguing about other players. I think these two have made it to the summit already.

[Ashy Larry]

If he was so great, how come Duncan never repeated as a champion? I'll wait... :wakeup


Kinda noticed how this question went unanswered and was just passed over ?????


:toast

[ElNono]

Kinda noticed how this question went unanswered and was just passed over ?????

:toast

What is there to answer? repeat or not, a 'ship counts the same.

[Ashy Larry]

We need to start arguing about other players. I think these two have made it to the summit already.


exactly. I dont either has cracked the top five but i can easily see them both hanging around 7-10. If LeBron is capable of doing what he should do, I can see both of them sliding down.

[midnightpulp]

Repeats. Lol. C'mon, Ashy. You know 'ships are a team accomplishment. Asking that question is kinda like asking "how come if Kareem was so great, he couldn't win a championship with the Lakers until Magic got there?"

[Ashy Larry]

What is there to answer? repeat or not, a 'ship counts the same.


True but the question remains unanswered. Doesn't ask if it doesn't count or not; it asks how come Timmay could never repeat?


I'll answer why Bean missed the playoffs. Rebuilding after serious team chemistry problems and a feud with Shaquille. With that said, seems like Doc Buss made the right choice. Save a shitload a loot and made three more final appearances.

[Ashy Larry]

Repeats. Lol. C'mon, Ashy. You know 'ships are a team accomplishment. Asking that question is kinda like asking "how come if Kareem was so great, he couldn't win a championship with the Lakers until Magic got there?"

OK, well getting to the playoffs (2005) is a team accomplishment as well right? I mean, Bean can't get their alone especially with that crap after Odom and Butler in that brutal Western Conference. Goes hand in hand.


And you and I both know that if the Spurs had repeated in any year, you guys would be bringing that up constantly. I will say, 2000 would have been their best year if Timmay were healthy.

[midnightpulp]

OK, well getting to the playoffs (2005) is a team accomplishment as well right? I mean, Bean can't get their alone especially with that crap after Odom and Butler in that brutal Western Conference. Goes hand in hand.

Of course it is.

[ElNono]

True but the question remains unanswered. Doesn't ask if it doesn't count or not; it asks how come Timmay could never repeat?

I don't really know what you expect for an answer. Injuries, different teams getting better, etc. I mean, it's pretty obvious, but teams generally aren't static from season to season.

[weebo]

He has more rings than Wilt. Will pass him in scoring.
He has the same amount of rings as Magic. He has a chance for more.
He is one behind MJ. Has a chance to catch and surpass him. If he does, ST will probably crash. Most non-Laker fan STers will be on suicide watch.
It's not that much of a stretch to have him that high, although I would still go like this:

Kareem
MJ
Magic
Kobe
Russell

For the record, if he gets #6, he leap frogs Magic and MJ in my eyes. Why? Because his competition and the NBA rules he had to deal with were tougher than MJ. MJ's competition was Joe Dumars, Clyde the Glide, Dominique, Marjle and Reggie Miller. LeHype, Wade, and Durant are all better than those guys. Plus MJ never had to deal with zone defenses. But that's another argument altogether.

To pass Magic, he just needs one more ring IMO.

you're super stoopid brah

:lmao

[Ashy Larry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_GgXXR4vA

Jordan never faced a zone ????


Man Mike would love the defenses today compared to what he faced back then ...... Bad Boy Pistons > anything Kobe faces today.

[midnightpulp]

True but the question remains unanswered. Doesn't ask if it doesn't count or not; it asks how come Timmay could never repeat?


I'll answer why Bean missed the playoffs. Rebuilding after serious team chemistry problems and a feud with Shaquille. With that said, seems like Doc Buss made the right choice. Save a shitload a loot and made three more final appearances.

The question remains unanswered is because it's a stupid question that should have an obvious answer for anyone who is a true fan of the game. When a team fails to repeat, it usually means their team wasn't good enough.

[Ashy Larry]

The question remains unanswered is because it's a stupid question that should have an obvious answer for anyone who is a true fan of the game. When a team fails to repeat, it usually means their team wasn't good enough.


totally agree ... so make sure to bring up that answer when Spur Nation bring up the 2005 non-playoff appearance comes up instead of trying to pin it on one dude.

[LkrFan]

This is why the world hates Kobe fan. Always rewriting history. Kobe didn't lock down shit. AI averaged 35 points a game in that series on .407 shooting. Now I'm sure you're ready to hammer out a response citing that shooting percentage as "proof" of your bullshit claim, but the thing is, AI averaged .389 for that '01 playoff run, so if anything, he elevated his game against Kirby. :lol

And lol at Kirby ever being a legitimate DPOY candidate, handchecking or not.

And this is why Laker fans don't like disengenuous Laker haters like you. Where did I say he did it in the Finals? That 35 ppg you mentioned was against Fisher. Kobe was called upon to lock down players when it was situational (i.e. at the end of quarters or end of games).

Remember, AI teammed up with Melo for a year or two in _enver and still ended up rang-less thanks to Kobe.

I'll readily admit that Kobe takes defensive possessions off or will seem disinterested in guarding scrubs. However, even right now in his 16th year, we all have seen him lock down players when he wants to. The most recent victim: Westbrick (who just so happen to torch Sessions for 36 in the previous game). How did he look in the finale? Here's a hint: he is intimidated by Kobe.

And yes, Kobe does have defensive capabilities to do damage. Nowadays you can't touch players (no hand checking). That has "created" superstars like Wade. But that's another argument altogether.

[LkrFan]

Repeats. Lol. C'mon, Ashy. You know 'ships are a team accomplishment. Asking that question is kinda like asking "how come if Kareem was so great, he couldn't win a championship with the Lakers until Magic got there?"

He won in Milwaukee...without Magic. :wakeup

[Venti Quattro]

He had Oscar Robertson and Bobby Dandridge

[LkrFan]

Kinda noticed how this question went unanswered and was just passed over ?????


:toast

:lol - watch them :downspin: it when they can't.

[LkrFan]

He had Oscar Robertson and Bobby Dandridge

How many rangs did Magic win without Kareem? Two can play that game dumbass.

[Venti Quattro]

How many rangs did Magic win without Kareem? Two can play that game dumbass.

zilch. He won an STD though

[midnightpulp]

:lol - watch them :downspin: it when they can't.

Because it's a retarded question.

[midnightpulp]

He won in Milwaukee...without Magic. :wakeup

Can you read?

[midnightpulp]

And this is why Laker fans don't like disengenuous Laker haters like you. Where did I say he did it in the Finals? That 35 ppg you mentioned was against Fisher. Kobe was called upon to lock down players when it was situational (i.e. at the end of quarters or end of games).

Remember, AI teammed up with Melo for a year or two in _enver and still ended up rang-less thanks to Kobe.

I'll readily admit that Kobe takes defensive possessions off or will seem disinterested in guarding scrubs. However, even right now in his 16th year, we all have seen him lock down players when he wants to. The most recent victim: Westbrick (who just so happen to torch Sessions for 36 in the previous game). How did he look in the finale? Here's a hint: he is intimidated by Kobe.

And yes, Kobe does have defensive capabilities to do damage. Nowadays you can't touch players (no hand checking). That has "created" superstars like Wade. But that's another argument altogether.

Lol. Any time we have player vs. player debates, the "unwritten rule" is to use playoff performances to back up your particular claim. Locking down AI in a meaningless regular season game doesn't do much to bolster a legacy.

And before you start :downspin:, Lakerfans invented the :lol regular season concept (which is something I agree with actually).

[Giuseppe]

Only if he goes thru Kobe to get it. Otherwise, it's tied.

God willing and the creek don't rise it'll be at least:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

next month.

[pass1st]

Only if he goes thru Kobe to get it. Otherwise, it's tied.

God willing and the creek don't rise it'll be at least:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

next month.

Have a celebration prepared if it is:::

Kobe: 6

TOSB: 4


?

[LkrFan]

Because it's a retarded question.

Lets be honest here: It's only retarded because the Spurs failed to repeat. ;)

[Koolaid_Man]

Am I prophet or what...I tried to warn you niggas that this thread would make midget go OCD insane...Crown me Nostradamous..:lol



You may not know this but the poster known as Midnight_Pulp literally has OCD also known as Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. It's a neurological disorder that literally causes your brain to get stuck on the same thought in sort of an endless loop.

His particular mental disorder is that when he see's water or when it rains he thinks he's literally drowning...Last year in a post he admitted to calling 911 like 44 times in a month (or something close to that) because while standing on his front porch he literally thought he was drowning.

Now I say all that to say this...with this post you're going to cause him to go into some compulsive rage over PER....:lmao

[ElNono]

Lets be honest here: It's only retarded because the Spurs failed to repeat.

Did Kobe get a trinket for repeating?

it's retarded, but keep :downspin: that shit :lol

[LkrFan]

Did Kobe get a trinket for repeating?

it's retarded, but keep :downspin: that shit :lol

That's it. Let the hurt out. I'm here for you.
- Sy
- Butthurt Committee Chairman

:lol

Kobe repeated with Gasoft. After Pau got his Finals cherry popped in 2008, Kobe challenged Pau which elevated his play. Pau went on to outplay D-12, KG, and Sheed to the tune of a back to back. Something Timmay never did. Maybe Gasoft is > TD? An argument can be made. Since 2008, it's

TD: 0
Gasoft: 2

Gasoft is a back to back champion. Before Kobe, he was 0-12. Kobe turned Gasoft into a 2-time champion. :downspin: that shit. :lol

[SpursRock20]

Hmm.... let's see here.... Kobe is a SG, Duncan is a PF. So just how can you compare the two? Both are 2 of the best to grace the hardwood. If Duncan wins his 5th ring they would have a virtual tie in just who is the best. But I'd give the nod to Duncan, one because I'm a Spurs fan, and two because I believe Duncan is the rarest superstar in the history of professional sports and there will never be another one like him. But to the average fan, Kobe would still get the nod and here's why:

Kobe has been in a large market his whole career. This has helped him in two ways. L.A. attracted big names that helped him win his titles and it helped balloon Kobe's popularity. And Kobe ate up the limelight, he was perfect for it. He loves the attention and it has helped him blossom to one of the best players ever.

Duncan has been in a small market his whole career. S.A. is a city where they are lucky to get aging past-their-prime stars. We all know S.A. is shunned in the media. ESPN will embrace a small market for a short while if your superstar welcomes it. Duncan never cared too much for that. IMO he was never too comfortable with the hype. It shouldn't hurt his bid to be the best player in his generation but it does.

Both great players. Both win championships. Both went about it in different aways. One is way more popular than another.

[ElNono]

That's it. Let the hurt out.

What hurt? :lol


Kobe repeated with Gasoft.

Did they count as more than two championships?

:downspin: that one for me, thanks.

[LkrFan]

What hurt? :lol

Just messing witcha. :lol


Did they count as more than two championships?

:downspin: that one for me, thanks.

No, they don't count for more than two rangs. It is just more impressive to go 2 (or more :toast) straight years as champion. The NBA made a big deal about it when MJ 3peated twice, then Shaq and Kobe did it once, then Dream repeated. Prior to MJ's Bulls, Magic did it in 1987-1988.

Spurfans like to brag about how Duncan never went lotto, consecutive years of 50+ wins, etc. My ace in a hole is that he never repeated as a champion. Until he proves me wrong I'll keep saying it. Time is running out for TD - meanwhile Kobe's window is open for another 2-3 years. Thems be the facts. :)

[midnightpulp]

Just messing witcha. :lol



No, they don't count for more than two rangs. It is just more impressive to go 2 (or more :toast) straight years as champion. The NBA made a big deal about it when MJ 3peated twice, then Shaq and Kobe did it once, then Dream repeated. Prior to MJ's Bulls, Magic did it in 1987-1988.

Spurfans like to brag about how Duncan never went lotto, consecutive years of 50+ wins, etc. My ace in a hole is that he never repeated as a champion. Until he proves me wrong I'll keep saying it. Time is running out for TD - meanwhile Kobe's window is open for another 2-3 years. Thems be the facts. :)

'Ships are still a team accomplishment. Sorry. But I understand you're getting your revenge for being on the shit end of 4>3 for a couple of years, that is, if you were even posting on any message boards pre-Gasol trade, which I doubt.

[LkrFan]

'Ships are still a team accomplishment. Sorry. But I understand you're getting your revenge for being on the shit end of 4>3 for a couple of years, that is, if you were even posting on any message boards pre-Gasol trade, which I doubt.

I'm new to ST, but I've made my mark. :lol

Tbh, I've been posting on LG since Summer of 2005. You know, the year Shaq was not there and Kobe had to roll with such a spectacular supporting cast. I don't know why you would try to call me some sort of bandwagon fan. I'm here win/lose or draw. All the time.

But carry on though...:wakeup

[Budkin]

:lmao Popularity contest

[DJB]

Why are we comparing PFs with SGs?

Kobe is the #2 SG of all time,

Tim is the #1 PF of all time.

Seriously, people.

[Man In Black]

Larry Legend Bird...all time great. Never repeated. Philly and LA in his way. Tim lost a chance to .4 and Dirk`s Gm 7 Heroics, and Fish with another no-call in 08. It sucks but it doesn't take away the greatness that is Duncan.
Its funny, should we crack on Bean for being the only leader on a PJax coached team to
not win a 3peat. Remember, as the true leader.

[ElNono]

It is just more impressive to go 2 (or more :toast) straight years as champion.


No, they don't count for more than two rangs.

:downspin: for ya

[Man In Black]

Just messing witcha. :lol



No, they don't count for more than two rangs. It is just more impressive to go 2 (or more :toast) straight years as champion. The NBA made a big deal about it when MJ 3peated twice, then Shaq and Kobe did it once, then Dream repeated. Prior to MJ's Bulls, Magic did it in 1987-1988.

Spurfans like to brag about how Duncan never went lotto, consecutive years of 50+ wins, etc. My ace in a hole is that he never repeated as a champion. Until he proves me wrong I'll keep saying it. Time is running out for TD - meanwhile Kobe's window is open for another 2-3 years. Thems be the facts. :)

2-3 years from now he'll be hanging on shooting in the 30`s and wondering where it is. now.
Curious, why didn't you list the string of repeats the prior 20 seasons before Magic's repeat since they are so common?

[Man In Black]

That's it. Let the hurt out. I'm here for you.
- Sy
- Butthurt Committee Chairman

:lol

Kobe repeated with Gasoft. After Pau got his Finals cherry popped in 2008, Kobe challenged Pau which elevated his play. Pau went on to outplay D-12, KG, and Sheed to the tune of a back to back. Something Timmay never did. Maybe Gasoft is > TD? An argument can be made. Since 2008, it's

TD: 0
Gasoft: 2

Gasoft is a back to back champion. Before Kobe, he was 0-12. Kobe turned Gasoft into a 2-time champion. :downspin: that shit. :lolLike Gasoft was so pussified it took Kendrick Perkins blowing his knee for the LAL To win that title. Truth tbh

[Man In Black]

Only if he goes thru Kobe to get it. Otherwise, it's tied.

God willing and the creek don't rise it'll be at least:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

next month.
Why does be have to go through Bean?
Didn't into 05 or 07 because the Bean-led LAL wasn't good enough. If they don't meet this year,then that reason could apply again. I want them to meet. I'd love To see what Mike Brown would counter the multiple pick and roll and pop sets with. He did an awesome job of adjusting for a 2nd night of ass-kicking at over 60% fga.

[Nathan89]

This should've been posted upstairs imho

No, this is a NBA forum type thread.

[mike20spurs]

Hmm.... let's see here.... Kobe is a SG, Duncan is a PF. So just how can you compare the two? Both are 2 of the best to grace the hardwood. If Duncan wins his 5th ring they would have a virtual tie in just who is the best. But I'd give the nod to Duncan, one because I'm a Spurs fan, and two because I believe Duncan is the rarest superstar in the history of professional sports and there will never be another one like him. But to the average fan, Kobe would still get the nod and here's why:

Kobe has been in a large market his whole career. This has helped him in two ways. L.A. attracted big names that helped him win his titles and it helped balloon Kobe's popularity. And Kobe ate up the limelight, he was perfect for it. He loves the attention and it has helped him blossom to one of the best players ever.

Duncan has been in a small market his whole career. S.A. is a city where they are lucky to get aging past-their-prime stars. We all know S.A. is shunned in the media. ESPN will embrace a small market for a short while if your superstar welcomes it. Duncan never cared too much for that. IMO he was never too comfortable with the hype. It shouldn't hurt his bid to be the best player in his generation but it does.

Both great players. Both win championships. Both went about it in different aways. One is way more popular than another.


I love how all the Laker fans seemed to "skip" this post. Everyone knows that this is absolutely true. Both players are great. One is more popular. That's it. Case closed. MJ will always be the best but I think both of these guys should be top 5, especially if Duncan gets #5 this year. I believe Duncan is better based on consistancy which is the biggest attribute a player can have in my opinion. Then again, i am a bit biased.

[Giuseppe]

Only if he goes thru Kobe to get it. Otherwise, it's tied.

God willing and the creek don't rise it'll be at least:::

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

next month.

That's it and that's all.

[ambchang]

It would be close, but if Kobe wins two more, he would have a chance of matching Bobby Horry.