UFC 150: Aug 11, 2012

[ace3g]

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Location: Denver, Colorado
Venue: Pepsi Center
Broadcast: Pay-per-view and FX*


MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard
Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman
Yushin Okami vs. Buddy Roberts
Justin Lawrence vs. Max Holloway

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 8 p.m. ET)

Dennis Bermudez vs. Tom Hayden
Jared Hamman vs. Michael Kuiper
Ken Stone vs. Erik Perez
Nik Lentz vs. Eiji Mitsuoka

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 7:30 p.m. ET)

Dustin Pague vs. Chico Camus

[ace3g]

Rousimar Palhares replaces Luiz Cane against Yushin Okami at UFC 150

http://mmajunkie.com/news/29245/rousimar-palhares-replaces-luiz-cane-against-yushin-okami-at-ufc-150.mma?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[dbreiden83080]

This is a bad rematch IMO.. Nothing about that fight ws controversial at all.. But it will get Edgar to drop down to 45 finally..

[polandprzem]

I agree

But maybe Frankie thinks he can do way better. And if possible this fight gonna be great :tu

[polandprzem]

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[dbreiden83080]

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
Yushin Okami vs. Rousimar Palhares
Ed Herman vs. Jake Shields
Eiji Mitsuoka vs. Nik Lentz

[ace3g]

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard
Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman
Yushin Okami vs. Buddy Roberts
Justin Lawrence vs. Max Holloway

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[Stand]

I so want Bendo to win, but I have a bad feeling that Frankie might pull it off. Bendo was to content to let Frankie get some of those takedowns in the first fight and just depending upon how the judges see it that night it could spell the difference between winning and losing. Hopefully though Bendo will put him to sleep and make it all of a moot point.

I would also love to see Cerrone punt Guillard into next week.

[polandprzem]

If Frank gonna win this bout he is beyond amazing.

But if he losses he needs to drop down to 135 :)

[Stringer_Bell]

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title) - Bendo needs to finish Frankie off. Frankie's got so much heart and spirit, but he really needs realize he lost that last fight fair/square and now he's gonna get punished. Again.
Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard - I really think Cowboy learned some valuable lessons from the Diaz fight, expect a decision but a clean performance.
Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman - Jake is back where he belongs, some good fights at MW for him if he wins. Still think he's a bitch tho lol
Yushin Okami vs. Buddy Roberts - Okami better win!!
Justin Lawrence vs. Max Holloway - could be fight of the night, gonna be a good pace I think.

[polandprzem]

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
Frankly speaking Benson is a quite big favorite. But somehow I can imagine Frankie winning this, although both guys are very versatile Ban is a bigger better athlete and has more invention.


Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard
Donald sometimes forgets about defense and Melvin can collapse on it and swing Cowboys head back.


Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman
Jake is too much IMO for Herman but I wouldn't mind him losing


Yushin Okami vs. Buddy Roberts
Jeez Yushin, froma contender to a weak gate keeper?
get a grip


Justin Lawrence vs. Max Holloway
Everybody can justify Justin after that fight

[polandprzem]

Overall it's all good cause our tv shows every fight :tu


This card I will gonna wake up for the main card only. Some really good matchups.
Hopefully fighters gonna show some nice tricks heart and desire and creativity.
Both main and co-main are gonna be awesome no doubt but the rest can occur boring.

[polandprzem]

And what is going on?

Not many of you writes here. Not much news on the page and all???

[dbreiden83080]

And what is going on?

Not many of you writes here. Not much news on the page and all???

Too many cards these days i think..

[dbreiden83080]

I'll give more in depth picks..


MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
This fight is probably going the distance again. Bendo basically just has to fight the same way he did last time. Bendo in the last fight was willing to conced a TD here and there because he was focusing on sitting down on his shots and doing damage. Benson needs to lump Edgar up again. Frankie always fights the same way. In and out, mostly pitter patter with the occasional TD attempt thrown in now and then. If Benson does damage again and the judges are not blind, he wins...


Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard
This is a very hard fight to pick. Skill wise they are pretty even. I'll go with Cowboy because i think Melvin is just mentally weak in big spots. This will be a striking war for as long as it lasts. I'll go with Cowboy Rd 2 stoppage..


Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman
I love all the old school TUF Guys but Ed is not elite enough to win this one. Jake is better at 85 with the easier cut. I'll go with 2nd round submission for Jake..


Yushin Okami vs. Buddy Roberts
Okami needs badly to get back on track here. He is too good to be losing the way he has of late..


Justin Lawrence vs. Max Holloway
I freely admit i have no idea who either of these guys are.. :lol
So i'll go with Max since he is a slight betting favorite.. :lol

[Horry For 3!]

Bendo!

[mercos]

Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar - I think its going to be a close fight, but Frankie always comes back stronger the second time around. I like "The Answer" by decision.

Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard - Guillard has weak submission defense. I think the cowboy is going to submit him in the 1st or 2nd round.

Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman - Middleweight is a better class for Shields. He beat Hendo in his last Middleweight fight I believe, and after that Hendo went on a crazy run. Shields by decision.

[ace3g]

time to see how Shields looks back at MW

[The TroutBum]

Wow, Shields just reminded me how much I hate him. Without a doubt, the most unwatchable, unlikeable, cock suckers in the UFC. I FUCKING HATE HIM.

[dbreiden83080]

Wow, Shields just reminded me how much I hate him. Without a doubt, the most unwatchable, unlikeable, cock suckers in the UFC. I FUCKING HATE HIM.

He is the Fitch of any division really.. Boring wins..

[The TroutBum]

I'm late, but I want to get my last two picks in:

COWBOY.

HENDERSON.

[dbreiden83080]

Come on Cowboy..

[dbreiden83080]

I'm late, but I want to get my last two picks in:

COWBOY.

HENDERSON.


A pick during the intros..

I love it..

[ace3g]

Lets see if this fight gets "weird" or not since they are... nevermind, bombs throwing

[ace3g]

wow !!!

[LakerHater]

BADASS come back by Cerrone!!!

[dbreiden83080]

Awesome KO

Melvin is the king of fast starts and then losing badly..

[dbreiden83080]

Whoever is here we may need some Rd by RD scoring for the Main Event..

[ace3g]

lol @jacksonMMA

Sorry for being a boring team everyone.... #teamjacksons

[ace3g]

Edgar running to the cage

[dbreiden83080]

4-0

Lets go Bendo..

[ace3g]

Bendo going Aldo on Frankie

[ace3g]

Bendo 1-0

[dbreiden83080]

Feeling out round..

RD 1 Bendo..

[LakerHater]

SAved by the bell

[Stringer_Bell]

Bendo won Rd 1 easy.

[ace3g]

Benson in some trouble now

[LakerHater]

Rocked!

[ace3g]

too bad Benson has awesome sub defense, so Edgar has to win by KO

[dbreiden83080]

Rd 2 Frankie

Ben has to stop playing the pt game and attack more.. Lets go..

[dbreiden83080]

Close RD

I don't know.. Benson has 2 rds to get busier..

[ace3g]

nice little kick by Benson from the ground, but Edgar with ground control/guillotine chance

[Stringer_Bell]

Really not understanding why Bendo is lunging in so far when he punches

[ace3g]

like Dbreiden said, Benson needs to step it up, he usually has 1 melee attack in him

[dbreiden83080]

Might be 3-1 Frankie

I don't know..

[dbreiden83080]

Bendo needs this round..

[Stringer_Bell]

Edgar is gonna win, shit

[ace3g]

Benson needs a TD or go back to those leg kicks to set something up

[ace3g]

damn, I think Edgar wins this one

[dbreiden83080]

I got Frankie winning..

We'll see....

[Stringer_Bell]

48-47 for Edgar

Not my belief, but what I think will happen

[Stringer_Bell]

aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaha

YEA BABY!

[ace3g]

Well I take the win for a 4-1 night in predictions but damn I don't know if that was the right call

[mercos]

Wow, bad decision. I had Edgar 48-47 at least. Could have been 49-46.

[ace3g]

Now will Dana stick to his word and go with Nate Diaz or have another rematch?

[The TroutBum]

2-2 baby. Boo ya.

[Stringer_Bell]

If you're going to go cry for a rematch of a fight that you feel you OBVIOUSLY won, then you better come to win by something more than a decision.

That said, I'm really dissappointed in Bendo's performance, but to be the Champion you better BEAT the Champion.

[dbreiden83080]

WOW!!

Okay lets get into this..

First off i almost never stream anything these days but i am glad i found a good quality stream for this one..

Ben is a great fighter but he was not great tonight. He escaped with this one. Watching it live i thought Frankie did enough to win with his counters and a few TD's. Ben was not comfortable all night long. Frankie did a better job slipping his power shots and tagging him on the way in and Ben was waaaaaaaay more tentative than in fight 1.. Ben did land the harder shots as the compustrike showed but i thought Frankie beat him with aggression in a close fight. The SD did not shock me at all. Seen that in so many fights..

[shyne]

Frankie strikes are weak, judges could see they weren't doing shit to benson. Benson looks so much more powerful when his strikes land, close fight but I agree with the verdict.

[ace3g]

Benson is one of those fighters with wrestling backgrounds that doesn't really go for TDs it seems, just for TD defense. And when he doesn't land a good landing shot to get on top for GnP, then he doesn't really do much.

[dbreiden83080]

Frankie strikes are weak, judges could see they weren't doing shit to benson. Benson looks so much more powerful when his strikes land, close fight but I agree with the verdict.

I could see it this way.. Frankie does love his pitter patter.. Ben did not attack with confidence tonight like in fight 1. I thought he would be much better and really shine tonight..

[ace3g]

looking forward to Cowboy vs Showtime Pettis

[dbreiden83080]

Now will Dana stick to his word and go with Nate Diaz or have another rematch?

Diaz is on a roll and Bendo/Diaz is a sick fight. Frankie is going to be forced to 145 now. I am sure Dana told him you lose and it's 145 as a condition for getting the rematch..

[The TroutBum]

I can't wait to watch Henderson butt fuck Diaz. Hard.

[dbreiden83080]

looking forward to Cowboy vs Showtime Pettis

That's a sick ass fight...

[dbreiden83080]

I can't wait to watch Henderson butt fuck Diaz. Hard.

He better be a lot better than he was tonight.. A lot....

[shyne]

That's a sick ass fight...

Hopefully that's on same card as Henderson vs Diaz

[dbreiden83080]

Hopefully that's on same card as Henderson vs Diaz

That would be smart..

Winner gets next shot Co-Main event..

[dbreiden83080]

Checking around major sites have Frankie winning the fight..

Sherdog 4-1
MMA Fighting 4-1
Bloody Elbow 4-1

Damn poor Frankie..

[shyne]

Checking around major sites have Frankie winning the fight..

Sherdog 4-1
MMA Fighting 4-1
Bloody Elbow 4-1

Damn poor Frankie..

Fuck Frankie, everytime he loses he wants a rematch, go to 145 already.

[dbreiden83080]

MMA Frenzy

4-1 Frankie...

5thround.com has it the same.. Most seem to have Frankie only losing round 1 but also saying rds 2-4 were close..

Bleacher Report had it 48-47 Frankie...

[mercos]

Frankie strikes are weak, judges could see they weren't doing shit to benson. Benson looks so much more powerful when his strikes land, close fight but I agree with the verdict.

Frankie was the only fighter to get a knockdown this fight. Stunned Benson a time or two as well. Benson landed the harder leg kicks, but Edgar landed the harder punches by far.

[dbreiden83080]

Fuck Frankie, everytime he loses he wants a rematch, go to 145 already.

I agree about 45. Like i said Ben is a great fighter but he was not great on this night. I do feel for Frankie.. He fought his ass off tonight and most MMA sites think he won.. Oh well...

[dbreiden83080]

Frankie was the only fighter to get a knockdown this fight. Stunned Benson a time or two as well. Benson landed the harder leg kicks, but Edgar landed the harder punches by far.

I am guessing the 2 judges that had it for Ben gave him Rd 1, 4 and 5..

Ben was trying to land the harder shots but was much less effective this time..

[ace3g]

http://www.youtube.com/user/UFC?v=tKmW0DTifo4

post fight presser will start soon if you want to watch, oh and Dbreid, my bad, didn't see the notification for your message

[dbreiden83080]

http://www.youtube.com/user/UFC?v=tKmW0DTifo4

post fight presser will start soon if you want to watch, oh and Dbreid, my bad, didn't see the notification for your message

No worries. I found a good one.. :toast

151 is all good i am buying that one..

[ace3g]

good moment after Cowboy/Melvin fight:

http://www.ufc.com/media/UFC-150-Cerrone-Guillard-Raw-Moment

[mercos]

I am guessing the 2 judges that had it for Ben gave him Rd 1, 4 and 5..

Ben was trying to land the harder shots but was much less effective this time..

Ben was great when he attacked, but he did not attack enough. I think Benson is a better fighter overall, and clearly won the first fight, but Frankie outworked him tonight and should have gotten the decision. This fight was a letdown after their first encounter, so I'm kind of glad the decision went the way it did, because I don't want to see a third fight now.

Looking forward to Henderson vs Diaz. Nate has been awesome lately, and I expect Henderson to bring it next time around. Should be a great fight.

[dbreiden83080]

Ben was great when he attacked, but he did not attack enough. I think Benson is a better fighter overall, and clearly won the first fight, but Frankie outworked him tonight and should have gotten the decision. This fight was a letdown after their first encounter, so I'm kind of glad the decision went the way it did, because I don't want to see a third fight now.

Looking forward to Henderson vs Diaz. Nate has been awesome lately, and I expect Henderson to bring it next time around. Should be a great fight.

And while it hurts now and an argument can obviously be made that Frankie won his career is just fine. He has big things ahead for him at 145. He can challenge Aldo and do major damage in that weight class..

[dbreiden83080]

Fight Metric 271-237 for Edgar...

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/08/henderson-vs-edgar-ii-official-ufc.html

Pretty close but honestly not many feel Bendo won...

[benefactor]

"Never leave it in the hands of the judges."

Edgar needs to stop fighting fights to get decisions if he wants to be treated fairly.

[dbreiden83080]

"Never leave it in the hands of the judges."

Edgar needs to stop fighting fights to get decisions if he wants to be treated fairly.

Edgar is a Point fighter he always has been.. But i do think he did enough to win tonight.. Bendo was lucky to get past this one.. He needs to fight to his potential against Nate...

[mystargtr34]

Ive never gotten the 'dont leave it in the judges hands' argument tbh Benefactor.. when the decision goes to the judges that means neither guy could finish and they both left it in the hand of the judges.. so why should one guy get screwed and suffer that criticism.. but i digress.. not having a go at you iv seen that argument used a thousand times.

I thought Edgar should have got the decision but im happy to move on from Edgar and Henderson and look forward to the next set of fights in this stacked division..

Henderson v Diaz
Cerrone v Pettis

Cant wait for these two.

[ace3g]

If you watched the presser you know Dana had to go to the back because of some argument going on back there, at the time I thought it was between Benson and Nate because Benson wasn't at the podium (and he wasn't hurt at the fight or anything like that).

But per Ariel:

If you're wondering what the brouhaha was during the presser, I'm told Frankie's mgr @alidominance and Bendo's mgr @malkikawa got into a scuffle. Not sure who won, but I'm told it was the opposite of the main event, if you catch my drift. For whatever it's worth, Ali and his team say he punched Malki in the face. It seems like they didn't like what he had to say after the main event, although, I'm not quite sure what was said.

[polandprzem]

Close fight again

and this time Frankie won but the decision went Bendos way.

All in all. Lat's all move on. Diaz need to get wrecked by Henderson!
Hopefully this year.

Pettis probably gonna be ready at the beginning of the next year, so him against the man with the hat would be a great fight. Go showtime!



This card was not that great but it was nice /I watched the main card/. I did not liked crowds booing.

155 is so stacked and with Lauzon impressive victory I mean wow.

[ace3g]

155 is definitely stacked, argues in favor against rematches; let the next top guy get the shot. Even if the fight (like tonight) was close/controversial, if the loser is good enough, he will get another shot down the road.

[mercos]

The crowd did seem a little boo happy. The fights were actually pretty good, so I don't know what their deal was.

[polandprzem]

155 is definitely stacked, argues in favor against rematches; let the next top guy get the shot. Even if the fight (like tonight) was close/controversial, if the loser is good enough, he will get another shot down the road.

Yea that's why I was not pleased with this rematch but whatever a good fight anyway.
Hopefully Frankie gets down to 145 or 135.

Shields not gonna go far in the MW, the same I can say about Okami. There will be new blood in this division soon. There just needs to be.

[dbreiden83080]

I don't know what is worse for Frankie the fact that he lost a fight many feel he won or that everyone is saying "Good lets just move on".

Bendo as i said is much better than what he did last night. His big weakness is his boxing though and that is Nate's strength. Bendo has to be very well rounded in that one or he will lose and not by decision..

[Horry For 3!]

It was a weak fight but if you look at the stats, Bendo won. Bendo vs Diaz will be a better fight anyways then Edgar vs Diaz. So i'm glad it went Bendo's way.

[MannyIsGod]

Bendo won the final points in a few rounds which is why he was able to sway the judges but as a whole Frankie did much better in that fight. The throwaway line of "never leave it in the hands of the judges" needs to stop and we need to hold the judges to a higher level. It just really sucks to see Frankie get screwed.

Perhaps screwed is a bit harsh since it was a close fight but I thought he was the clear winner of at least 3 rounds maybe 4. But in those rounds Bendo did work at the end of the round and obviously was able to steal them in a couple of judges eyes.

He's definitely one of my favorite fighters in the UFC and I hate to see him screwed but he'll be back.

[mercos]

Yeah, the whole "don't leave it in the hands of the judges" bit is getting old. Winning by decision is a legitimate way to win a professional fight. The problem with MMA judging is that most of the judges don't know much about MMA, or I would argue fighting in general. The only reason more is not done to correct crappy judging is because fight organizations LIKE the controversy surrounding bad decisions. Any press is good press.

[benefactor]

It doesn't matter if it's getting old, it's always been this way and it most likely always will be. It's not going to change. Judges are prone to certain biases depending on the circumstances of a fight and they only way to circumvent that is to not spend the whole fighting working for a decision and actually pick opportune times during a fight to try to finish.

Almost all great fighters are finishers. Just look at the current champions and their percentage of fights finished...JDS - 86%, Jon Jones - 81%, Anderson Silva - 78%, Jose Aldo - 72%. Henderson is the lowest and he is still at 59%. GSP is probably the only one off the top of my head that I can think of that can consistently take a fight to the judges and win...and that's because he is so good at overwhelming his opponents physically. But even he is sitting at a 59% finishing rate.

You want to be the champ and stay the champ? Start finishing.

[dbreiden83080]

It doesn't matter if it's getting old, it's always been this way and it most likely always will be. It's not going to change. Judges are prone to certain biases depending on the circumstances of a fight and they only way to circumvent that is to not spend the whole fighting working for a decision and actually pick opportune times during a fight to try to finish.

Almost all great fighters are finishers. Just look at the current champions and their percentage of fights finished...JDS - 86%, Jon Jones - 81%, Anderson Silva - 78%, Jose Aldo - 72%. Henderson is the lowest and he is still at 59%. GSP is probably the only one off the top of my head that I can think of that can consistently take a fight to the judges and win...and that's because he is so good at overwhelming his opponents physically. But even he is sitting at a 59% finishing rate.

You want to be the champ and stay the champ? Start finishing.


Yeah, the whole "don't leave it in the hands of the judges" bit is getting old. Winning by decision is a legitimate way to win a professional fight. The problem with MMA judging is that most of the judges don't know much about MMA, or I would argue fighting in general. The only reason more is not done to correct crappy judging is because fight organizations LIKE the controversy surrounding bad decisions. Any press is good press.


Bendo won the final points in a few rounds which is why he was able to sway the judges but as a whole Frankie did much better in that fight. The throwaway line of "never leave it in the hands of the judges" needs to stop and we need to hold the judges to a higher level. It just really sucks to see Frankie get screwed.

Perhaps screwed is a bit harsh since it was a close fight but I thought he was the clear winner of at least 3 rounds maybe 4. But in those rounds Bendo did work at the end of the round and obviously was able to steal them in a couple of judges eyes.

He's definitely one of my favorite fighters in the UFC and I hate to see him screwed but he'll be back.

These are all excellent takes guys... :toast

Dana is fond of saying "Never leave it to the judges" but we certainly understand it is not possible to always finish at this level of the game. Anderson has decisions, Fedor had them, Jones just had one, GSP has a bunch of them... You hope when a decision is needed the judges are educated enough on what to look for they get them right more often than not. The judges certainly have a bias when it comes to styles and MMA is more complicated than boxing in terms of what to judge... Some judges love TD's, other want to see damage over a volume of smaller blows, some value octagon control more than others... Edgar in his last 2 fights had judges scoring the fight that clearly took issue with his style of fighting. My guess is they were sending a message to him that they feel he is trying to point fight and they want to see him be more aggressive and look to finish... To me a win is a win no matter how you go about the game-plan and I thought Frankie did enough to get the W.. The debate rages on I guess...

Good stuff guys...

[ace3g]

Ariel Helwani ‏@arielhelwani

As reported on @ufctonight, @frankieedgar has officially decided to move to 145 lbs. He hopes to debut before the end of year. Opponent TBD.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/8/21/3259286/frankie-edgar-moves-down-to-featherweight-hopes-to-make-debut-by-end

[dbreiden83080]

As expected.. It was pretty clear than he and Dana made a deal that if he lost the rematch he drops down to 45..