Rumor:Junior Seau Dead

[sa_butta]

Cops in Oceanside, CA are investigating a possible shooting involving former NFL star Junior Seau … law enforcement sources tell TMZ.

We spoke with an investigator in the coroner’s office .. who told us they got a call to respond to the scene … though the details surrounding the situation are still unclear.

Cops are currently at a residence where 43-year-old Junior is believed to be staying.

People in law enforcement are telling us Junior Seau is dead … but we are unable to confirm that right now.



http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2012/05/tmz-reporting-police-investigating-shooting-at-home-of-junior-seau/

[FromWayDowntown]

TMZ with less hedging:

NFL legend Junior Seau was found dead in his home in Oceanside, CA ... and cops are investigating a shooting ... multiple law enforcement sources tell TMZ.

Cops are currently at Seau's home just outside San Diego. Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Seau was a beast in the NFL -- skyrocketing to fame thanks to his explosive play with the San Diego Chargers, Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots. The USC standout was selected in the first round of the NFL draft in 1990 and played in the league for 20 years.

Seau was involved in a car accident back in 2010 when he drove his SUV off a cliff in Carlsbad, CA hours after he was arrested for allegedly attacking his girlfriend. Seau later said he was not trying to kill himself ... insisting he had fallen asleep at the wheel.

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-dead/

[JoeTait75]

Suicide?

[sa_butta]

Early reports are that this was a suicide, but has been confirmed that he is dead...RIP

[VBM]

Holy shit...condolences to the Seau family

[FromWayDowntown]

Suicide?

TMZ says yes in developing the story:


NFL legend Junior Seau was found dead in his home in Oceanside, CA ... and a law enforcement source at the scene tells us cops believe he shot himself.

Seau was 43-years-old ... and leaves behind 3 kids and an ex-wife.

Cops are currently at Seau's home -- located in San Diego County -- and were seen talking with a man who was inside the house and appeared distraught.

We're told Seau sent text messages to his ex-wife and 3 kids yesterday saying, "Love you." We're told they all responded and didn't suspect anything was wrong. We're told he last saw his kids 3 weeks ago.

Sources close to Seau tell us family members didn't notice any signs of depression in recent weeks.

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[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

damn...

[manufan10]

Sucks. I wonder if this is concussion related.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Wow that's fucked up. :(

[ginobili's bald spot]

Sucks. I wonder if this is concussion related.


Lots of concussions leading to brain damage leading to psychological problems leading to suicide. I wouldn't be surprised.

[manufan10]

Is it bad that the "world wide leader in sports" doesn't have a story on this yet?

[manufan10]

Crazy:


Seau is the eighth member of the Chargers 1994 Super Bowl team to pass.

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-nfl-legend-junior-seau-dead-182120394.html)

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Crazy:



Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-nfl-legend-junior-seau-dead-182120394.html)

Holy shit:wow

I was at that SB too...

[leemajors]

Is it bad that the "world wide leader in sports" doesn't have a story on this yet?

tmz is generally way ahead of everyone, I believe. I have heard Oceanside is not the best place to feel great about yourself, but he did grow up there. If he did commit suicide, at least he let his kids know he loved them.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

They are saying self inflicted gun shot wound to the chest. Speculation is that he intended to do that in order preserve his brain the way Duerson did last year so it can be studied.

He also reportedly texted his family yesterday to say that he loved them.


Damn

[ginobili's bald spot]

Playing NFL football is so bad for you. What's the average life span of an NFL player? 50? Considering how little money most guys make it's not even worth it imo.

[leemajors]

They are saying self inflicted gun shot wound to the chest. Speculation is that he intended to do that in order preserve his brain the way Duerson did last year so it can be studied.

He also reportedly texted his family yesterday to say that he loved them.


Damn

holy shit that is awful. i can barely imagine having the guts to kill myself, but in the chest is fucking brutal. you could sit there for hours in agony if you missed the mark

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Playing NFL football is so bad for you. What's the average life span of an NFL player? 50? Considering how little money most guys make it's not even worth it imo.

Back when Duerson played (and for pretty much Seau's entire career), players would just get right back on the field without getting properly assessed. What's sad is that even though they've improved on this, you still have situations like Colt McCoy's last year. He was obviously concussed but they kept him on the field.

The brain is MUCH more susceptible to concussion after you've already suffered one--and playing through a concussion is basically a guaranteed ticket to some form of brain damage down the line.

[leemajors]

Back when Duerson played (and for pretty much Seau's entire career), players would just get right back on the field without getting properly assessed. What's sad is that even though they've improved on this, you still have situations like Colt McCoy's last year. He was obviously concussed but they kept him on the field.

The brain is MUCH more susceptible to concussion after you've already suffered one--and playing through a concussion is basically a guaranteed ticket to some form of brain damage down the line.

i know simms is generally seen as a pussy, and probably is, but when gruden put him back in that game where he got a ruptured spleen a few years back it was painfully obvious he was gonna be clobbered. no way that dude should have been put back in the game, none.

[Trill Clinton]

damn...RIP

[ginobili's bald spot]

Back when Duerson played (and for pretty much Seau's entire career), players would just get right back on the field without getting properly assessed. What's sad is that even though they've improved on this, you still have situations like Colt McCoy's last year. He was obviously concussed but they kept him on the field.

The brain is MUCH more susceptible to concussion after you've already suffered one--and playing through a concussion is basically a guaranteed ticket to some form of brain damage down the line.

Exactly. And he was an NFL linebacker for 20 fucking years. I can't even imagine how many concussions he suffered. His brain had to be completely fucked.

[Mugen]

gotdamn.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

holy shit that is awful. i can barely imagine having the guts to kill myself, but in the chest is fucking brutal. you could sit there for hours in agony if you missed the mark

Yup, it's barbaric to think about. What's eerie is he probably did his research to figure out what angle/location would provide the quickest death. Still, missing the mark and having to deal with that pain while waiting for your lungs to drown in your blood can't be a pleasant way to go.

OT, but 5 years ago I responded to an attempted suicide where a guy put a shotgun under his chin...while he was leaning over to pull the trigger the barrel moved up on him and he ended up blowing his face off, but living. Was quite a sight.

[JMarkJohns]

I sat in the stands of games for both Duerson and Seau, enjoying the hits whose lasting effects caused each to end their life. Crazy... Sucks.

[vander]

Seau was my first sports hero, along with DRob. :(

[leemajors]

Exactly. And he was an NFL linebacker for 20 fucking years. I can't even imagine how many concussions he suffered. His brain had to be completely fucked.

what is incredibly odd is how romanowski seems to be fine so far, especially with how violent he was. he has done an impressive amount of work with neural supplements and research to do just about everything possible to ensure his brain stays in the best shape it can though.

[ginobili's bald spot]

OT, but 5 years ago I responded to an attempted suicide where a guy put a shotgun under his chin...while he was leaning over to pull the trigger the barrel moved up on him and he ended up blowing his face off, but living. Was quite a sight.

I've seen a documentary about a guy who did that. Both sides of his face looked like the dude from Boardwalk Empire.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I've seen a documentary about a guy who did that. Both sides of his face looked like the dude from Boardwalk Empire.

It was pretty disgusting...there were just pieces of tissue dangling, but he was the easiest intubation I ever had to do:lol

[Obstructed_View]

It was pretty horrifying when Duerson did it. RIP, Junior. Unbelievable.

[manufan10]

Yup, it's barbaric to think about. What's eerie is he probably did his research to figure out what angle/location would provide the quickest death. Still, missing the mark and having to deal with that pain while waiting for your lungs to drown in your blood can't be a pleasant way to go.

OT, but 5 years ago I responded to an attempted suicide where a guy put a shotgun under his chin...while he was leaning over to pull the trigger the barrel moved up on him and he ended up blowing his face off, but living. Was quite a sight.

I don't know how you could stomach that. I'm rather emotional, so I would be crying my eyes out. I don't think I would have been able to handle that.

P.S. I thought you were the Bills QB? :lol

[ginobili's bald spot]

what is incredibly odd is how romanowski seems to be fine so far, especially with how violent he was. he has done an impressive amount of work with neural supplements and research to do just about everything possible to ensure his brain stays in the best shape it can though.

He's getting by so far but I'm not sure I'd say he's fine. He's a crazy motherfucker. From what I understand, he started to notice he was losing his mind and that's when he got into nootropics and supplements for his brain like you said.

[Robz4000]

Fuuuuuuuuck, second favorite Charger behind LT. My condolences to his family. RIP Seau, you were awesome on and off the field.

[Blake]

Playing NFL football is so bad for you. What's the average life span of an NFL player? 50? Considering how little money most guys make it's not even worth it imo.

being a punter would be cool

[ginobili's bald spot]

It was pretty disgusting...there were just pieces of tissue dangling, but he was the easiest intubation I ever had to do:lol

Do you just get completely jaded after seeing the things you do on a daily basis? I don't think I could handle that.

[LnGrrrR]

That fucking sucks. I loved Seau when he played for the Pats. Sure he was on the tail end of his career, but he was a quality player and person.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

The only good part about this is that it likely means there won't be any more sympathy for Vilma and co.

At this point anyone who still doesnt understand why Goodell has put every ounce of effort possible into protecting players is never gonna understand.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Do you just get completely jaded after seeing the things you do on a daily basis? I don't think I could handle that.

Certain suicides, bad burn patients, and all bad pediatric calls stay with you...the rest is alright.

[LnGrrrR]

Back when Duerson played (and for pretty much Seau's entire career), players would just get right back on the field without getting properly assessed. What's sad is that even though they've improved on this, you still have situations like Colt McCoy's last year. He was obviously concussed but they kept him on the field.

The brain is MUCH more susceptible to concussion after you've already suffered one--and playing through a concussion is basically a guaranteed ticket to some form of brain damage down the line.

This was why I was amazed that Artest only got 7 games. NHL is leading the way in dealing with concussions.

[BRHornet45]

Junior tried to kill himself before a few years ago when driving his car off a 100 foot cliff after being investigated for domestic violence with his girlfriend. although he said that he fell asleep at the wheel.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

The only good part about this is that it likely means there won't be any more sympathy for Vilma and co.

At this point anyone who still doesnt understand why Goodell has put every ounce of effort possible into protecting players is never gonna understand.

Saints players are lucky as hell they got their sentences before this came out

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Saints players are lucky as hell they got their sentences before this came out
No kidding. Idk if Goodell has the right to worsen their sanctions during an appeal, but if he can they should withdraw their appeals while they still can.

[Bigzax]

RIP Mr. Seau. Prayers for his wife and children.

[ColinB]

Sucks. I wonder if this is concussion related.

Should be interesting to see, since he did request to have his brain donated (which is probably why the gunshot is to the chest rather than the head)

[sa_butta]

Crazy:



Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-nfl-legend-junior-seau-dead-182120394.html)

Six months ago we noted that linebacker Lew Bush had died of an apparent heart attack, only six days after his 42nd birthday, making him, at the time, the seventh member of that team to die. Defensive lineman Shawn Lee died last year of a heart attack at 44. Defensive lineman Chris Mims died in 2008 of complications from having an enlarged heart at age 38. Offensive lineman Curtis Whitley died in 2008 of a drug overdose at age 39. Linebacker Doug Miller died in 1998 after he was struck by lightning, at age 28. Running back Rodney Culver died in 1996 in the crash of ValuJet Flight 592, at age 26. Linebacker David Griggs died in 1995 in a car accident at age 28.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/02/junior-seaus-death-another-sad-ending-for-the-1994-chargers/

[manufan10]

OCEANSIDE, Calif. (AP) -- Former NFL star Junior Seau was found shot to death at his home Wednesday morning in what police said appeared to be a suicide. He was 43.
Police Chief Frank McCoy said Seau's girlfriend reported finding him unconscious with a gunshot wound to the chest and lifesaving efforts were unsuccessful. A gun was found near him, McCoy said.
Seau's mother appeared before reporters, weeping uncontrollably.
"I don't understand ... I'm shocked," Luisa Seau cried out.
Her son gave no indication of a problem when she spoke to him by phone earlier this week, she said.
"He's joking to me, he called me a `homegirl,"' she said.


Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/05/02/junior.seau.ap/index.html#ixzz1tkNkz3bR)

His girlfriend found him. That sucks even more. Damn. :cry

[Bigzax]

poor mom that has to go through this...Godbless her.

[NewcastleKEG]

Supposedly he text his kids last night that he loved them

Is there a reason he shot himself in the chest? Remember the NFL player that did the same & wrote in his note that he wanted his brain researched....concussions etc.

[Bill_Brasky]

That's fuckin crazy....concussions are a mother fucker and I get the feeling that this kinda stuff is gonna kill the NFL.

[san antonio spurs]

Junior tried to kill himself before a few years ago when driving his car off a 100 foot cliff after being investigated for domestic violence with his girlfriend. although he said that he fell asleep at the wheel.

That's exactly what I thought about when I heard about this. There was a rumor then that he was trying to kill himself but he denied it so vigorously that I don't think his family or close friends got him any help

[Fabbs]

The only good part about this is that it likely means there won't be any more sympathy for Vilma and co.

At this point anyone who still doesnt understand why Goodell has put every ounce of effort possible into protecting players is never gonna understand.
Yes such harsh penalties for the 26 players Godel says he had the goods on.

[DMC]

Rip

[BRHornet45]

He graduated





Too soon?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yes such harsh penalties for the 26 players Godel says he had the goods on.
Godel?

Is that a multi-nickname?

[Out of nowhere goods]

Yes such harsh penalties for the 26 players Godel says he had the goods on.

Shut the fuck up you faggot

You're a disgrace to Charger fans

[JMarkJohns]

I cannot believe Adam Schefter going to twitter and citing that Seau was never officially listed as having suffered a concussion. He knows full-well the atmosphere of the NFL for a long time saw "head injuries" go unchecked, undiagnosed, hidden and completely swept under the rug because players feared their teammates opinions of toughness more than any long-term side effect.

How many WWII veterans would acknowledge suffering from battle fatigue/shell shock/Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder?

Different generation, different climate, different way of these things being dealt with/worked through.

Also, a concussion itself is a side effect. It's a symptom. I wish they would talk more about sub-concussions. Can't see them, as they have very little immediate symptoms, but with time, they can be devastating.

Think about all the hits Seau leveled. Regardless of whether or not he was ever officially listed, Seau, playing at the level he did for as long as he did at the position he did most certainly suffered forms of head trauma. Regardless of whether it caused the suicide, CTE enables depression, so any other peripheral circumstances that give cause for depression would only further the slide.

[lefty]

They are saying self inflicted gun shot wound to the chest. Speculation is that he intended to do that in order preserve his brain the way Duerson did last year so it can be studied.

He also reportedly texted his family yesterday to say that he loved them.


Damn
Damn :depressed

[lefty]

Playing NFL football is so bad for you. What's the average life span of an NFL player? 50? Considering how little money most guys make it's not even worth it imo.
Same in the NHL

Just look at what happened last summer, all those dedicated fighters who committed suicide

[benefactor]

Crazy. RIP.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Same in the NHL

Just look at what happened last summer, all those dedicated fighters who committed suicide


I didn't know anything about that. I haven't followed hockey since I stopped playing when I was like 18. Which enforcers killed themselves?

[IronMaxipad]

https://twitter.com/#!/brendon310/status/197766188162498562

Brendon Ayanbadejo

Jr Seau asked in his suicide letter that his brain be researched to prevent tragic incidents from happening to NFL retirees #champion

[NewcastleKEG]

https://twitter.com/#!/brendon310/status/197766188162498562 (https://twitter.com/#%21/brendon310/status/197766188162498562)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/junior-seau-left-no-suicide-note-police-say.html

[IronMaxipad]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/junior-seau-left-no-suicide-note-police-say.html

http://www.wbal.com/absolutenm/articlefiles/89456-ayanbadejo.mp3

[TheSanityAnnex]

RIP.
I'll miss driving down the strand in Oceanside seeing him on his balcony playing his uekelele.

[NewcastleKEG]

RIP.
I'll miss driving down the strand in Oceanside seeing him on his balcony playing his uekelele.
Someone on my facebook stated they saw Seau in front of his place yesterday waiving to everyone & being the happiest guy

I live probably 10 minutes from Seau

[lefty]

I didn't know anything about that. I haven't followed hockey since I stopped playing when I was like 18. Which enforcers killed themselves?
Bob Probert

http://cdn.nhl.com/images/upload/2010/07/probert_bob_hawks_wings_325_183.jpg


Wade Belak

http://www2.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Wade-Belak%E2%80%99s-final-hours.jpghttp://www.langfieldentertainment.com/images/SEPTEMBER%202011/Wade%20Belak%201.jpg


Derek Boogard

http://nyrblueshirtsblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/derek_boogaard_01.jpg


Rick Rypien

http://www.sportsnet.ca/more/2010/04/05/rypien_rick_big_381.jpg

[NewcastleKEG]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0502/nfl_u_seau11_400.jpg

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2012/NFL/JuniorSeau/14pg-vertical.jpg

http://media.silive.com/sportsstories/photo/10938670-large.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Sports-Illustrated-San-Diego-Chargers-Junior-Seau-1993-/11/%21BhKNER%21%21mk%7E$%28KGrHqQH-DYEsMGP1lmBBLH8fURSzw%7E%7E_35.JPG

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2594/4078232797_b13aef700b.jpg

http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/getty/5c/fullj.909ebba985ca461f27dee9eb0c0d673c/909ebba985ca461f27dee9eb0c0d673c-getty-510652371.jpg

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/02/50/33/689871/5/628x471.jpg

[jack sommerset]

This one blows my mind. I have zero clue why I thought "no, not Seau, he wouldn't kill himself" but never the less he did. I don't know the man. All I knows he played football my entire adult life, was good at it, didn't want to stop playing( i thought because he loved it), had 3 kids, married, rich and stayed out of trouble. Regardless on why it happened, one thing will happen. The NFL will look a heck of a lot more into the brain damage it's work causes. Parents will do more research on this sport they are sending there kids into play. The guy might have a ton of reasons other than football to kill himself but for now, all eyes are on the harm this sport causes. God bless

[ALVAREZ6]

As mentioned, the life expectancy of NFL players is damn short. And it's a tough call if you're NFL-quality talent, if football is what you do best, but not as a regular starter or if you're a reserve lineman. Lineman have short life expectancy not only because of the contact but the size issue. Being 6'5" and 300 lbs, you can only live so long.

I played football as a kid and through high school but I can't imagine adding 4 years of college and a 10-20 year professional career on top of that. Unless you're making a fuckload of money as one of the top players on the team, especially as a quarterback where you'll be hit in the head less often, it can be hard to justify an NFL career. You will suffer concussions, it's unavoidable. Same goes for boxing and MMA. I guess it's those that make it don't really give this subject must thought because they don't have many other promising options.

[ALVAREZ6]

To add to that, I never understood how pro hockey players don't wear face cages...it blows my mind. In high school, and I would imagine in college, but it's a guess because I don't know much about hockey, people wear cages on the helmets. If I were in the NHL I'd do the same thing. I've worn cages playing roller hockey as a kid and never thought it obstructed my vision.

I just don't understand how it's the norm to leave your face (including eyes) completely exposed to large men skating around at high speeds, checking you into boards at high speeds with a lot of momentum, swinging wooden sticks at high speeds, and relatively heavy pucks flying around at very high speeds. Seems suicidal to me.

[NewcastleKEG]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk


The night before he died, he called up old friends to make peace. These friends later stated that Justin ranted about the "devil", "doctors who controlled people with anti-depressants" and "evil people in Pittsburgh". Justin's ex-wife and others maintain that he never sought medical help, however some friends stated that Justin consulted health professionals about what he perceived as his own bipolar disorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder). This was a stressful time for Justin, he was still struggling still with his divorce, his ex-wife was engaged to remarry, his football career was over, he was struggling with sobriety, and he had just opened a new business. He had also purchased new family headstone a few months earlier.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk#cite_note-Drove-1)
Justin was supposed to arrive in Orchard Park, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchard_Park,_New_York) for a fund-raiser that weekend. He packed only the $2,600-plus in cash and some crucifixes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixes). His cell phone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone) was left at his home.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk#cite_note-Drove-1) He died in a car crash in Herkimer, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herkimer,_New_York), when he hit a tank truck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_truck) while driving 90 miles per hour (140 km/h) against the flow of traffic to evade capture by the police. He was 36.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk#cite_note-crash-2)
Concussion theory

It was initially thought that Strzelczyk was under the influence of alcohol or drugs due to his irrational behavior, but this was disproved by toxicity tests. A post-mortem autopsy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopsy) revealed that he had suffered from brain damage, possibly due to his years of playing football.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk#cite_note-3)
This incident helped start a debate about the seriousness of concussions at the National Football League Summit, in June 2007. There, Bennet Omalu, a Pittsburgh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh) neuropathologist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuropathologist), linked the deaths Strzelczyk and three other retired NFL players to brain damage from football. Those cases involved former Philadelphia Eagles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Eagles) safety (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_%28American_football_position%29) Andre Waters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andre_Waters) and former Pittsburgh Steelers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_Steelers) offensive linemen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_lineman); Mike Webster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Webster) and Terry Long (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Long_%28American_football%29). Waters and Long committed suicide; Webster died of a heart attack, but suffered from severe mental problems in his later life. Omalu says each death followed a similar line: football concussions, lead to brain damage similar to dementia pugilistica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia_pugilistica) (also known as chronic traumatic encephalopathy) in boxers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing), leading to clinical depression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression). It was previously thought to only exist in boxers and steeplechase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steeplechase) jockeys.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk#cite_note-4) In 2007, Justin's mother, Mary Strzelczyk, has gave Dr. Bennet Omalu, permission to examine Justin's brain.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Strzelczyk#cite_note-5)

[jack sommerset]

Divorce in many circles is better than death. Think about it. God bless

[JudynTX]

Seeing his mother break down like this tugs at your heart. :depressed



http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7407284n

[rascal]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.

[ALVAREZ6]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.
Very valid points.

[manufan10]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.

I can understand that, especially when people will try to make him look like a victim and the NFL the villain, when these guys CHOOSE to play the game.

[LnGrrrR]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.

You know, it causes brain damage. In other words, damage to the brain. Meaning the brain is damaged.

That might have an effect on his decision-making and rational thinking capabilities.

[LnGrrrR]

I can understand that, especially when people will try to make him look like a victim and the NFL the villain, when these guys CHOOSE to play the game.

He wasn't necessarily a victim, but the long-term effects on concussions have only recently been publicly discussed. Study on concussions has really picked up in the last decade.

[rascal]

You know, it causes brain damage. In other words, damage to the brain. Meaning the brain is damaged.

That might have an effect on his decision-making and rational thinking capabilities.

Making excuses for his bad decision. That is the way i see it. Do NFL players have that much of a higher rate of suicide then the general public?

[rascal]

You know, it causes brain damage. In other words, damage to the brain. Meaning the brain is damaged.

That might have an effect on his decision-making and rational thinking capabilities.

Wasn't he on TV as an analyst. Had to have enough rational thinking to do that.

I don't remember Seau having many noted concussions like other players who don't commit suicide.

[Goran Dragic]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.
:lol what an ignorant post

[manufan10]

He wasn't necessarily a victim, but the long-term effects on concussions have only recently been publicly discussed. Study on concussions has really picked up in the last decade.

I understand that. I remember the Chris Benoit case from 2007, and his brain was that of an 85 year old in the last stages of Alzheimer because of chair shots to his head and the multiple concussions that he covered up. Ultimately, we won't know anything until they're able to analyze his brain, and even then we won't know everything.

[manufan10]

Family has agreed to allow Seau's brain to be examined.


On Thursday, the death of NFL legend Junior Seau was officially ruled a suicide by the San Diego County medical examiner. While those who knew and loved the man are left to comprehend this, it has now been reported that Seau's family will allow his brain to be examined for damage resulting from concussions and other head trauma the linebacker may have suffered through his 20-year NFL career. The 43-year-old Seau shot himself in the chest at his Oceanside, Ca. home on Wednesday.

The autopsy determining the cause of Seau's death was assisted by Dr. Bennett Omalu, the San Joaquin County chief medical examiner, and the man credited with identifying Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), the neurological disorder caused by repeated head trauma. As the co-founder of the Brain Injury Research Institute, Omalu has been studying the impacts of concussions for years. The institute Omalu co-founded with Dr. Julian Bailes is one organization asking to study Seau's brain; another is the Sports Legacy Institute at Boston University, an organization that has received funding from the NFL.

Link (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/seau-family-allow-brain-examined-131952644.html)

[rascal]

What makes you think everybody's brain reacts the same way to concussions? Some people may have no ill effects, others lose all short and/or long term memory, others have personality changes or even become suicidal.

What you said is about as stupid as saying "Everybody has a pancreas but most of us are smart enough to not get cancer in it"

Why is the assumption that if an NFL player commits suicide it is because of concussions? People kill themselves without concussions and that holds true even for NFL players.

[703 Spurz]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.

You really think it's that easy?

[LnGrrrR]

What makes you think everybody's brain reacts the same way to concussions? Some people may have no ill effects, others lose all short and/or long term memory, others have personality changes or even become suicidal.

What you said is about as stupid as saying "Everybody has a pancreas but most of us are smart enough to not get cancer in it"

:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Why is the assumption that if an NFL player commits suicide it is because of concussions? People kill themselves without concussions and that holds true even for NFL players.

Because we're able to add up simple facts.

1 - NFL linebackers/tackles/ends slam their head into other players multiple times in one game
2 - People with a history of concussions tend to display depression and various other negative factors more often than the normal population

Maybe they just committed suicide, and concussions don't have an effect on that. But that's like saying, "Hey, that dude had to file for bankruptcy, his wife left him for an old buddy, he didn't get visitation rights to his children, but I don't see why you all say that had anything to do with him comitting suicide."

[ginobili's bald spot]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.


Unbelievable. I'm sure it isn't the first time in your life that you have heard this, but you're really fucking stupid.

[Goran Dragic]

What you said is about as stupid as saying "Everybody has a pancreas but most of us are smart enough to not get cancer in it"
:lmao

[vander]

Unbelievable. I'm sure it isn't the first time in your life that you have heard this, but you're really fucking stupid.

what part was unbelievable/stupid?

did Seau not have an envy-able life?
do concussions lead to suicide, was it out of his control?
did his suicide not hurt the lives of those close to him?

[Goran Dragic]

Saying his suicide was selfish was what was unbelievable. No fucking shit it hurt people around him, further proof Seau wasn't thinking straight.

[Woo Bum-kon]

It's more selfish to ask him to live in pain like that.

[Goran Dragic]

99 out of 100 times, someone who calls suicide selfish and tries to paint someone who commits suicide in some kind of evil manner is a bible thumper who's been brainwashed into thinking suicide is the ultimate sin and someone shouldn't have control over his/her own life. They've never even tried to understand how fucked up someone is mentally when he/she commits suicide, but since their pastor said its evil, they follow right along.

[JMarkJohns]

Rascal,

To think that Junior Seau, arguably the most active and physical player of his generation at a position of excessive and routine brutal contact, never had a single concussion in a game rife with examples of how players typically played through them or were failed to be diagnosed for the unseen sickness simply because it was never officially noted on an injury report is some of the worst deductive logic I have ever witnessed.

Again, sub-concussion syndrome is a new study, but the initial findings of devastating.

It sucks for the family and friends. It does and I understand not being sure why someone would do it. Instead of ignorantly passing judgment, maybe you should ask yourself why someone with everything he had going for him, as you mentioned, would opt to end the fabulous life with people who obviously loved him. Think about just how bad the pain must have been for him to determine that suicide was his best recourse.

Just unbelievable...

[Frank Dux]

Sorry, I can't feel sorry for a guy who had millions and fame who decides to kill himself.
Try living the lives most of us have to live.

There are thousands of NFL players that have concussions who don't kill themselves. It was a selfish act. He didn't care about the people he would hurt like his mother.

Do you feel better about yourself, now that you've used this death as an opportunity to tell everybody how strong you are for making it through your life that's been so hard?

I swear there's always some douchebag who gets off on making a dead celebrity wrong after suicide. Your life sucks. I get it. But this thinly veiled schaudenfreude is fucking disgusting.

[vander]

So just because he played in the NFL his life is enviable? Do you have any idea how bad things can be when your brain is ravaged by concussions?

Why don't you trade places with John Mackey? He's a Hall Of Famer and an NFL legend. His brain is also so damaged he can't remember a thing about his NFL life, or even anything he just did five minutes ago. But he played in the NFL so his life now is enviable.

yep, point out one of the single worst cuncussion cases to try and make a point. and yes, seau's life was enviable, if you asked all the people in the world if they would trade lives with him, i'm guessing well over 95% would, cuncussions and all. plenty of people have problems and health issues, and most of them don't have fame and fortune to go with it. the nfl is a contact sport and no one foced these guys to play.

[vander]

99 out of 100 times, someone who calls suicide selfish and tries to paint someone who commits suicide in some kind of evil manner is a bible thumper who's been brainwashed into thinking suicide is the ultimate sin and someone shouldn't have control over his/her own life. They've never even tried to understand how fucked up someone is mentally when he/she commits suicide, but since their pastor said its evil, they follow right along.

lol 99 out of 100, lol stereotyping, lol doesn't know shit about christians but hates them soooooo much. class act

[resistanze]

lol rascal, you'd think someone that made the Loser Thread (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190813) would have some empathy for someone that committed suicide.

[Frank Dux]

yep, point out one of the single worst cuncussion cases to try and make a point. and yes, seau's life was enviable, if you asked all the people in the world if they would trade lives with him, i'm guessing well over 95% would, cuncussions and all.

What does your uniformed perception of Junior Seau's life have to do with what was actually going on his life?

lol 95%. lol stereotyping. lol loling the exact same thing you loled

[Goran Dragic]

lol 99 out of 100, lol stereotyping, lol doesn't know shit about christians but hates them soooooo much. class act
I definitely know more about Christianity than you do about Junior Seau's life or mental problems, granted that's not saying much.

Seeing that Junior Seau, for one reason or another, felt that he was better off killing himself than living the rest of his life, I'd say you'd have to be a pretty miserable person if you wanted to trade your life for his.

[LnGrrrR]

Why don't you trade places with John Mackey? He's a Hall Of Famer and an NFL legend. His brain is also so damaged he can't remember a thing about his NFL life, or even anything he just did five minutes ago. But he played in the NFL so his life now is enviable.

That can't be true, because he was never taken out of the game for concussions!!! :cry :cry :cry

[LnGrrrR]

I definitely know more about Christianity than you do about Junior Seau's life or mental problems, granted that's not saying much.

Seeing that Junior Seau, for one reason or another, felt that he was better off killing himself than living the rest of his life, I'd say you'd have to be a pretty miserable person if you wanted to trade your life for his.

:cry :cry :cry I could take it though, because I'm a stronger person! I know it! :cry :cry :cry

[Goran Dragic]

:cry :cry :cry I could take it though, because I'm a stronger person! I know it! :cry :cry :cry
:cry:cry:cry Jesus would give me the strength to carry on :cry:cry:cry

[baseline bum]

vanders argument seems to be that one is better off as a brain damaged millionaire than a healthy adult.

[Goran Dragic]

vanders argument seems to be that one is better off as a brain damaged millionaire than a healthy adult.
:lmao

[vander]

vanders argument seems to be that one is better off as a brain damaged millionaire than a healthy adult.

nope, and do you know to what extent he was brain damaged?

[baseline bum]

Curious, how much would a concussion be worth to you, vander?

[vander]

don't know. and i'm not the one who chose to play football, or box. why not ask these players if they would choose not to play if they could do it all over again. now back to my question, how 'brain damaged' was he? he seemed to be a fully fuctional human being from what i've read. and how much brain damage justifies suicide?

[leemajors]

nope, and do you know to what extent he was brain damaged?

we shall find out soon enough.

[redzero]

What does choosing to play have to do with anything? Concussions are concussions, whether one chooses to play or not.

[rascal]

we shall find out soon enough.

Maybe not. His family is reconsidering offering the brain.

[Bill_Brasky]

nope, and do you know to what extent he was brain damaged?

Enough to where he went out of the way to avoid ruining it when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the fuggin CHEST.

[rascal]

Enough to where he went out of the way to avoid ruining it when he committed suicide by shooting himself in the fuggin CHEST.

It was a copycat suicide.

[rascal]

Is there any evidence that suicide is more common with ex NFL players than the general population?

[rascal]

Is it possible that he had other emotional issues/ problems not related to physical concussions that was the underlying cause of the suicide? Seems like everyone is already making the assumption that that is not possible.

[Goran Dragic]

Is there any evidence that suicide is more common with ex NFL players than the general population?
:lol you are one simple minded idiot

[Goran Dragic]

Is it possible that he had other emotional issues/ problems not related to physical concussions that was the underlying cause of the suicide? Seems like everyone is already making the assumption that that is not possible.
:lol yeah, you being one of them by implying there's no way someone who's a retired millionaire could have any emotional issues/problems. Why would you wanna trade your life for the life of someone with emotional issues/problems? Your life must really suck.

[rascal]

Saying his suicide was selfish was what was unbelievable. No fucking shit it hurt people around him, further proof Seau wasn't thinking straight.

Yes suicide is a selfish act. You only care about YOUR emotional pain and not the emotional pain your suicide will cause to others.

[rascal]

:lol yeah, you being one of them by implying there's no way someone who's a retired millionaire could have any emotional issues/problems. Why would you wanna trade your life for the life of someone with emotional issues/problems? Your life must really suck.

I never said I would trade my life for his. He was ugly and no money would want me to look like him.

[rascal]

:lol you are one simple minded idiot

Just answer the question instead of name calling.

[Goran Dragic]

Yes suicide is a selfish act. You only care about YOUR emotional pain and not the emotional pain your suicide will cause to others.
Please, tell me more about how concerned you are over the people Seau "hurt." I'm sure you're losing sleep over the future of Seau's kids.

:lol pretending you give two shits about Seau's family or friends

[Goran Dragic]

Just answer the question instead of name calling.
It was a stupid question. No one said there's a correlation between playing in the NFL and suicide, the correlation is between brain trauma and suicide.

[LnGrrrR]

I never said I would trade my life for his. He was ugly and no money would want me to look like him.

:lmao

Can we unbold this guy in the EC?

[baseline bum]

:lmao

Can we unbold this guy in the EC?

Sorry man, this guy is one of the original trolls on this forum from the days when there were no gray-names. When the Spurs were winning titles he used to bitch about them not running and being focused on the interior game too much and now that they run and put up a lot of points he bitches about them not being a bigman-focused team anymore. He's the WC of the Spurs forum basically.

[LnGrrrR]

Sorry man, this guy is one of the original trolls on this forum from the days when there were no gray-names. When the Spurs were winning titles he used to bitch about them not running and being focused on the interior game too much and now that they run and put up a lot of points he bitches about them not being a bigman-focused team anymore. He's the WC of the Spurs forum basically.

:lol Thanks for the headsup.

[johnsmith]

I couldn't care less when someone I don't know dies or kills themself. I don't know him, I don't know his family, it just doesn't matter to me.

What does matter to me is watching football every fall and winter. I wish these guys would quit offing themselves because it's putting at risk my favorite sport to watch.

[rascal]

99 out of 100 times, someone who calls suicide selfish and tries to paint someone who commits suicide in some kind of evil manner is a bible thumper who's been brainwashed into thinking suicide is the ultimate sin and someone shouldn't have control over his/her own life. They've never even tried to understand how fucked up someone is mentally when he/she commits suicide, but since their pastor said its evil, they follow right along.

I am not a Bible thumper. I don't even own a Bible.

[Goran Dragic]

:lmao you bumped the thread just to say that?

[The Reckoning]

no drugs or alcohol found in his system. no signs of depression. no brain contusions...memory card missing out of his cell phone.


no signs of brain damage from previous concussions.

plus, who the hell shoots themselves in the chest when they kill themselves?


something fishy here is going on.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/junior-seau-autopsy-results-toxicology-no-alcohol-illegal-drugs-082012

[vander]

mem card from phone missing?

[The Reckoning]

yep. call me crazy, but i wouldnt doubt there was foreplay involved.