How about THIS scam?

[CosmicCowboy]

http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&topVideoCatNo=103348&autoStart=true

[Wild Cobra]

No wonder ElNono is such a defender of the ITIN.

[Vici]

Wow that's fucked up. The government should go after them for fraud and hit them hard. That pisses me off to no end.

[CosmicCowboy]

32 views?

Where is the blue team?

*crickets*

[RandomGuy]

32 views?

Where is the blue team?

*crickets*

It seems like something that needs to be reformed.

I would wager it costs less than fraud in the DOD.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

yeah this is pretty fucked up. for those that cannot stand TV news:

This chart is pulled from the treasury:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2011/child-tax-credits-2011-t1.jpg


Using Table 1, it can be seen that for the 2010 processing year more than three million returns were filed with ITINs. Of these, 2.3 million paid no federal income taxes and collected an aggregate of $4 billion4 from the Treasury in refundable tax credit money from the ACTC. Of those who did not file for the ACTC, most used the CTC to reduce or eliminate their tax liability and thereby recover all or part of any federal income tax money withheld by employers. Of all of the 2010 ITIN filers, fewer than one-quarter paid any federal income taxes, which amounted to about $0.87 billion in total. Thus, on a net basis, ITIN filers gained $3.13 billion ($4.0 billion minus $0.87 billion) from the IRS in the 2010 processing year. The sum of row 6 in Table 1 equals $7.37 billion, which represents an approximation of the total net outflow of IRS funds to ITIN filers for the 2005-2010 processing years.

http://www.cis.org/child-tax-credits-2011

[ElNono]

http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&topVideoCatNo=103348&autoStart=true

Tax fraud is only bad when illegal immigrants do it?

What's the alternative? Not collect taxes from illegal immigrants?


No wonder ElNono is such a defender of the ITIN.

There's nothing wrong with the ITIN. The problem is with the IRS enforcing tax fraud.

After all, since these people are getting a check, the IRS has their full information. Name, address, etc.

You can run the same scam with a social security number, and I would be surprised if it isn't being run.

[clambake]

32 views?

Where is the blue team?

*crickets*

this is a blue team thing?

[ElNono]

yeah this is pretty fucked up. for those that cannot stand TV news:

This chart is pulled from the treasury:

http://www.cis.org/articles/2011/child-tax-credits-2011-t1.jpg


Apparently, the treasury is aware of it. Now it's up to lawmakers to do something about it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tax fraud is only bad when illegal immigrants do it?

What's the alternative? Not collect taxes from illegal immigrants?



There's nothing wrong with the ITIN. The problem is with the IRS enforcing tax fraud.

After all, since these people are getting a check, the IRS has their full information. Name, address, etc.

You can run the same scam with a social security number, and I would be surprised if it isn't being run.

Its $5b net and $12b gross in 2009-2010 El; I don't care if they are brown, yellow, Puerto Rican or Haitian. Thats fucked up. Entire industries don't gross that much.

[ElNono]

Its $5b net and $12b gross in 2009-2010 El; I don't care if they are brown, yellow, Puerto Rican or Haitian. Thats fucked up. Entire industries don't gross that much.

I'm not saying it's not a fraud and something not to be outraged about.

What I'm saying is fraud is fraud, no matter who does it.

Ofcourse that's a sink that needs to be closed. No doubt about it. You can do that and still fetch taxes from illegal immigrants.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not saying it's not a fraud and something not to be outraged about.

What I'm saying is fraud is fraud, no matter who does it.

Ofcourse that's a sink that needs to be closed. No doubt about it. You can do that and still fetch taxes from illegal immigrants.

The ones that should be pissed off about it are the various Hispanic caucuses. ITIN is a very big step to normalizing things.

Contributing to the commonwealth is a cornerstone of acceptance. It was a big part of the justification of the Declaration of Independence after all but now whitey has a rallying cry.

[Wild Cobra]

Tax fraud is only bad when illegal immigrants do it?

What's the alternative? Not collect taxes from illegal immigrants?

Collect any tax from the employer that's taken out, but stop using ITIN's and don't let them get any money back. After all, they are "illegal."


There's nothing wrong with the ITIN. The problem is with the IRS enforcing tax fraud.

So how much bigger yet do you want to grow the government?


After all, since these people are getting a check, the IRS has their full information. Name, address, etc.

Do you think in most cases, they actually reside where that have the address?


You can run the same scam with a social security number, and I would be surprised if it isn't being run.

So how about we make it harder to scam. Require legal residency for work, and ID that indicates citizenship for voting.

[Wild Cobra]

I'm not saying it's not a fraud and something not to be outraged about.

What I'm saying is fraud is fraud, no matter who does it.

Ofcourse that's a sink that needs to be closed. No doubt about it. You can do that and still fetch taxes from illegal immigrants.
Yet you don't want any actions taken to make things like voter fraud harder. Why should we believe you don't want your extended family to be able to collect our tax dollars as well?

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&topVideoCatNo=103348&autoStart=true

Part 2:

http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7142444&topVideoCatNo=103348&autoStart=true

[Wild Cobra]

Please call your congress members and ask them to cosign sign and move forward H.R.1956 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR01956:|/home/LegislativeData.php|) and H.R. 3275 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR03275:|/home/LegislativeData.php|).

[Nbadan]

Part 3:


http://www.contractormisconduct.org/

[ElNono]

Collect any tax from the employer that's taken out, but stop using ITIN's and don't let them get any money back. After all, they are "illegal."

How stupid are you? Have you ever filed taxes?

You get a W2 from your employer and you file the form. This is exactly the same, but instead of using a SSN, you use a ITIN.

The problem here isn't with illegals filing tax returns, it's with claiming tax credits that don't belong to them.


So how much bigger yet do you want to grow the government?

Non sequitur... what does growing government has to do with combating fraud? Goddamn you're stupid.


Do you think in most cases, they actually reside where that have the address?

Ofcourse, retard. How do you think they get their check mailed in otherwise?


So how about we make it harder to scam. Require legal residency for work, and ID that indicates citizenship for voting.

More non-sequitur. What does that have to do with tax fraud?
How massive is this vote fraud again?

[ChumpDumper]

lol massive vote fraud

[ElNono]

Yet you don't want any actions taken to make things like voter fraud harder. Why should we believe you don't want your extended family to be able to collect our tax dollars as well?

You can't vote with an ITIN. One has to wonder if you ever registered to vote.

More talking out of your ass... par the course.

[ElNono]

Please call your congress members and ask them to cosign sign and move forward H.R.1956 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR01956:|/home/LegislativeData.php|) and H.R. 3275 (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:HR03275:|/home/LegislativeData.php|).

Wow, the solution is to fix the law! who would've thought?

Fucking idiot.

[Wild Cobra]

Wow, the solution is to fix the law! who would've thought?

Fucking idiot.
How about dealing with criminal aliens as well.

[ElNono]

How about dealing with criminal aliens as well.

We don't?

BTW, illegal immigration is a civil offense. Oh, and Barry has deported a record number of illegal immigrants. Are you voting for him?

I always stated I would welcome better enforcement. I don't like illegals any more than you do.

[Wild Cobra]

We don't?

BTW, illegal immigration is a civil offense. Oh, and Barry has deported a record number of illegal immigrants. Are you voting for him?

I always stated I would welcome better enforcement. I don't like illegals any more than you do.
How can you incorrectly give him credit, when the additional laws were put in place during the last administration?

[ElNono]

How can you incorrectly give him credit, when the additional laws were put in place during the last administration?

Please list all such laws...

:blah:blah:blah

[Wild Cobra]

Please list all such laws...

:blah:blah:blah

You don't remember the debates of the past?

[boutons_deux]

Context is everything

GOP War on the IRS Costs U.S. Billions

http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/gop-war-on-irs-costs-us-billions

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Stop TITN scam with more IRS enforcement? Not if the Repugs have their way.

UCA has $100Bs of loopholes and tax scams/avoidance/evasion, but CC thinks TITN fraud is turrible.

How about the 1% self-declaring their investment income with no obligation of the investment payer to report? Any possible scam there? and the 50K Americans with secret foreign bank accounts? Any tax scamming there?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yet you don't want any actions taken to make things like voter fraud harder. Why should we believe you don't want your extended family to be able to collect our tax dollars as well?

what voter fraud?

[boutons_deux]

"want any actions taken to make things like voter fraud harder."

Voter fraud isn't a problem, even dubya's political hack US Attorneys couldn't find any (so he fired them). Vote counting fraud is a much bigger risk, eg, the Repugs stole OH in 2004.

[TeyshaBlue]

Vote counting fraud is a much bigger risk, eg, the Repugs stole OH in 2004.

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[Oh, Gee!!]

how about enforcing the law and prosecuting people (regardless of race or ethicity) when they defraud the government

[ElNono]

You don't remember the debates of the past?

You specifically mentioned laws from the previous administration.

Please list all such laws...

:blah:blah:blah

[ElNono]

how about enforcing the law and prosecuting people (regardless of race or ethicity) when they defraud the government

Exactly.

[boutons_deux]

how about enforcing the law and prosecuting people (regardless of race or ethicity) when they defraud the government

House Republicans, seeing the heavy hand of a too-big government, beg to differ. They've already voted to cut the IRS budget by $600 million this year and want bigger cuts in 2012.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/01/AR2011030104721.html

Repugs want less tax revenue (esp for their tax-avoiding/tax-evading benefactors)causing bigger deficit by reducing personnel for auditing and enforcement.

[boutons_deux]

Corporate-Americans are big scammers, too

Apple Used Low-Tax States, Foreign Tax Havens To Dodge $2.4 Billion In Taxes Last Year

Apple’s headquarters are in Cupertino, Calif. By putting an office in Reno, just 200 miles away, to collect and invest the company’s profits, Apple sidesteps state income taxes on some of those gains.

California’s corporate tax rate is 8.84 percent. Nevada’s? Zero. [...]

Apple was a pioneer of an accounting technique known as the “Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich,” which reduces taxes by routing profits through Irish subsidiaries and the Netherlands and then to the Caribbean. [...]

Without such tactics, Apple’s federal tax bill in the United States most likely would have been $2.4 billion higher last year, according to a recent study by a former Treasury Department economist, Martin A. Sullivan.

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/applechart.png

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/30/473256/apple-tax-dodging/