Official Dallas Mavericks 2012 Offseason Thread

[mavs>spurs]

If the mavs sign Nash and Ray Allen, I will boycott this team for an entire season. Where the fuck do we go from here?

[MavDynasty]

Sign garnett, Nash, Allen, and get a athletic young nigga to backup dirk with the 17th pick

We stacked :cry

[MavDynasty]

First gotta amnesty contract whore

[mavs>spurs]

the only way that even maybe works is if we get deron instead of nash

deron/allen/marion/dirk/kg MIGHT be able to contend

[MavDynasty]

I think Hibbert and camby are free agents too. Mayo too but I doubt Grizz let him walk

[mavs>spurs]

they should seriously go after deron and hibbert

[mavs>spurs]

fuck the dwight howard pipe dream, sign hibbert, mayo, and deron

[MavDynasty]

Deron or bust.

[pass1st]

Y'all just need D-Will and Dwight is going to sign with anybody who gets D-Will, he will refuse to sign with anybody else. Magic don't want to let D12 walk with nothing in return, only teams that will sign him are teams that he wants to sign with.

[Proxy]

the only way that even maybe works is if we get deron instead of nash

deron/allen/marion/dirk/kg MIGHT be able to contend

This team would contend in all hypothetical seriousness.

If Dallas gets Dwight somehow, he and Dirk would scare the shit out of me.

[jeebus]

This team would contend in all hypothetical seriousness.

If Dallas gets Dwight somehow, he and Dirk would scare the shit out of me.

Dirk would turn into Matt Bonner..

[Latarian Milton]

signing DH would bring a big boost to the market, DH's market value is high as FUCK but i don't think there is THAT much difference between him & hibbert in terms of the game itself. hibbert can defend & rebound and although he's not athletic as DH, his length will make up for it. DH is the better player overall but hibbert plays more similarly to TC and perhaps would be a better fit for them mavs accordingly. DH would still be their plan A but if he isn't available this summer, that nigga hibbert wouldn't be a bad backup plan tbh (not like eric gordon)

[silverblk mystix]

What is the best bait?
Best Sunscreen?
Best fishing gear?

:lmao

[Stalin]

judging by that first round sweep, at the hands of scros that still have to deal with pimples, mavs need some "vets" to provide that playoffs experience, tbh

[Reck]

This team is already ancient. Why would they want to get players in their tail end of their careers? Oh wait..Cuban doesn't like giving players a multi year deal. :lmao

[Riddler]

Y'all just need D-Will and Dwight is going to sign with anybody who gets D-Will, he will refuse to sign with anybody else. Magic don't want to let D12 walk with nothing in return, only teams that will sign him are teams that he wants to sign with.

Dallas doesn't have anything to offer Orlando.

[hehateme]

Whats the probability of out-bidding the bulls for restricted free agent Taj Gibson and turning him into a starting SF(even though he's a PF)?

Edit: sorry meant for 2013 season...this would dissuade re-signing Marion though as that man makes me cringe when he shoots and his defense is same or even under-par to Gibson.

[Stalin]

Why would hibbert leave that up and coming young nucleus in indiana to play for less money on an all TOSB team in dalllas? On the other hand, camby would be a perfect fit, tbh.

[mavs>spurs]

mavs gonna be young as FUCK once we get dwill and howard NIGGA

[pass1st]

Dallas doesn't have anything to offer Orlando.

Orlando will have to try and sell a rental then :lol

[Riddler]

mavs gonna be young as FUCK once we get dwill and howard NIGGA

More quitters Dirk would have to carry.

[Riddler]

Orlando will have to try and sell a rental then :lol

There will be multiple suitors for Dwight knowing he will be a rental, just like at the deadline. Its not Orlando's problem, it's the team that gets Dwight that will have to convince him to sign.

[pass1st]

There will be multiple suitors for Dwight knowing he will be a rental, just like at the deadline. Its not Orlando's problem, it's the team that gets Dwight that will have to convince him to sign.

Only teams that will want Dwight as a rental are ones that are making title runs and have a weakness at the center position. Heat are likely the #1 team that falls in that category, OKC maybe if Perkins isn't good for the rest of this post-season.

Nets would only make a play for Dwight if they see a possibility in keeping him. They MIGHT roll the dice and trade off picks + Lopez.

Dallas might not have much to offer, but if they get D-will it's a matter of sooner or later for D12.

[DAF86]

Why the fuck are you so high on Deron fucking Williams? He's not the type of player that would get the Mavs over the hump.

I think it's pretty well established that what the Mavs need is an imposing presence inside to cover Nowitzki.

Going back to Williams I'd rather have Nash for half the price.

[mavs>spurs]

^because we really need to get older and downgrade on defense :rolleyes

hope to see them go after williams and gordon, and maybe garnett. batum is out there too. lots of money, don't waste it hoping for dwight if you can get any combination of those guys for cheap

[mavs>spurs]

or try to prolong the agony if you can get nash/allen/garnett to all sign 1 year deals and still go after dwight if you can (not gonna happen but hey)

[DAF86]

You don't get older by swaping Nash for Kidd. And what you do in the PG position won't affect much Dallas' defense. The bigman is what is going to decide that.

[Koolaid_Man]

If the mavs sign Nash and Ray Allen, I will boycott this team for an entire season. Where the fuck do we go from here?

If the Jazz pulls their head out of their ass it looks as if the Mavs will be the only team swept this year...

[mavs>spurs]

i really don't want to see nash on the mavs UNLESS he comes with the addition of 2 solid defenders in garnett and allen

[Goran Dragic]

You don't get older by swaping Nash for Kidd. And what you do in the PG position won't affect much Dallas' defense. The bigman is what is going to decide that.
:lol Steve Nash has had a cancerous effect on his team's defense as long as he's been in the NBA. Swapping Kidd for Nash would certainly have a negative effect on Dallas defensively. Kidd still has size and at least tries on defense. Nash wouldn't try and wouldn't listen if Carlisle told him to actually care about defense.

[Goran Dragic]

You obviously don't watch the mavs. Kidd was somehow still a decent defender, miles ahead of Nash. Of course u lose defense with Nash on the floor. It's why we went To the finals as soon as he left.
he also doesn't watch Steve Nash :lol

Ten years from now when Jason Kidd is almost 50, he'd still be good enough on defense to prevent Steve Blake from having the 20 point 10 assist game Nash has given up to Blake twice :lol

[mavs>spurs]

wait he's the manu>dirk guy right?

[Goran Dragic]

Well he was, but for awhile now he's been insistent on the notion it was just trolling all along

[mavs>spurs]

:lmao wow i'm not even gonna attempt to argue. carry on. yeah sign nash!!

[DAF86]

:lol Steve Nash has had a cancerous effect on his team's defense as long as he's been in the NBA. Swapping Kidd for Nash would certainly have a negative effect on Dallas defensively. Kidd still has size and at least tries on defense. Nash wouldn't try and wouldn't listen if Carlisle told him to actually care about defense.

If he doesn't care about defense where do all those offensive fouls he draws come from? He cares about defense as much as Nowitzki does. Yeah, he's a below average defender but he can be covered, just like Dirk. The zone Carlisle use could help him a lot. Besides it's not like Kidd was making such a difference on defense end either.

[DAF86]

Well he was, but for awhile now he's been insistent on the notion it was just trolling all along

Not true, tbh.

[mavs>spurs]

Besides it's not like Kidd was making such a difference on defense end either.

he was though. he has quick hands and averaged 3 steals a game against okc. he was playing decent team defense, he just can't lock down an elite scorer anymore.

[DAF86]

wait he's the manu>dirk guy right?

No, I'm the guy that knew that Chandler was going to be a much better option for the Mavs than Al Jefferson.

[mavs>spurs]

^wrong about jason kidd though

[DAF86]

Besides, I'm not saying the Mavs should sign Nash, I'm saying that I would rather have Nash over Williams at half the price.

[DAF86]

^wrong about jason kidd though

What did I say about Kidd?

[mavs>spurs]

that he wasn't a solid defender and that replacing him with nash wouldn't have an effect. he averaged 3 steals per against okc he's still all over the place at times. good team defender. last year his defense was the most underrated part of our championship. he locked up kobe and durant at times as well as wade at times.

[DAF86]

that he wasn't a solid defender and that replacing him with nash wouldn't have an effect. he averaged 3 steals per against okc he's still all over the place at times. good team defender. last year his defense was the most underrated part of our championship. he locked up kobe and durant at times as well as wade at times.

When did I say that? I said that Kidd wasn't a difference maker on defense, which he clearly isn't.

[mavs>spurs]

umm replacing him (a good defender) with nash (the worst defender in the league) would definitely "make a difference"

[Goran Dragic]

If he doesn't care about defense where do all those offensive fouls he draws come from? He cares about defense as much as Nowitzki does. Yeah, he's a below average defender but he can be covered, just like Dirk. The zone Carlisle use could help him a lot. Besides it's not like Kidd was making such a difference on defense end either.
:lmao he averages less than one charge per game, idk how many retarded Nashfans I know who have used that argument. What do you have to say about the other 90+ possessions every game where Nash isn't drawing charges?

And no, Nash can't be covered, this is a distinction people fail to make. Nash freelances on D and doesn't listen to his coaches, he tries to play free safety and his teammates never have any idea where he's gonna be/what he's gonna do. That's the difference between him and other players. It's not about the fact he's not naturally gifted, it's about the fact he's undisciplined and gambles non stop trying to create a turnover leading to a fast break. For every charge he successfully draws, he gives up several easy buckets because he's trying to draw a charge rather than actually covering his assignment.

[Goran Dragic]

When did I say that? I said that Kidd wasn't a difference maker on defense, which he clearly isn't.
Kidd isn't a positive or negative factor on D while Nash is an extremely negative factor on D. He's never been willing to play within a system defensively or to play disciplined. The one time a coach demanded he do that, he got the coach fired.

[mavs>spurs]

^disagreed. kidd is still a positive factor on D he's a smart defender and usually has good positioning and can still play the passing lanes. crafty and will get clutch blocks/strips especially in crunch time.

[Goran Dragic]

^disagreed. kidd is still a positive factor on D he's a smart defender and usually has good positioning and can still play the passing lanes. crafty and will get clutch blocks/strips especially in crunch time.
I was simply agreeing with DAF for the sake of argument. Even if Kidd was a non-factor defensively, a non-factor is better than a negative factor.

But yeah I'd love to see Nash step up and guard Kobe (:lmao Nash guarding Kobe) during crucial moments of a playoff series against LA.

[DAF86]

umm replacing him (a good defender) with nash (the worst defender in the league) would definitely "make a difference"

Now you're just grasping at straws. Nash isn't the worst defender on the league. And the improvements he would bring on offense over Kidd would clearly offset the defensive decline.

It's simple, what team do you think would be better?

Kidd-defensive wing-Marion-Nowitzki-defensive center

or

Nash-defensive wing-Marion-Nowitzki-defensive center?

Or to don't go overboard with the assumptions:

Kidd-West-Marion-Nowitzki-Haywood

or

Nash-West-Marion-Nowitzki-Haywood?

[Goran Dragic]

Maybe Nash isn't THE worst defender in the league, but he's certainly up there. The Steve Blake conundrum basically makes it impossible to defend Nash's effort on that end of the court. Steve Blake is every bit as undersized and unathletic as Nash is, yet he's torched Nash TWICE for the only 20 point 10 assist games of his career. That's not due to Nash's physical limitations, that's due to Nash's habit of leaving his man open while he's trying to play free safety.

I'm still waiting to hear about Nash's defensive contributions on possessions when he doesn't draw a charge (so basically 99% of his defensive possessions).

[ElNono]

Nash is a terrible defender when he's not flopping... basically 99% of the time

[mavs>spurs]

Now you're just grasping at straws. Nash isn't the worst defender on the league. And the improvements he would bring on offense over Kidd would clearly offset the defensive decline.

It's simple, what team do you think would be better?

Kidd-defensive wing-Marion-Nowitzki-defensive center

or

Nash-defensive wing-Marion-Nowitzki-defensive center?

Or to don't go overboard with the assumptions:

Kidd-West-Marion-Nowitzki-Haywood

or

Nash-West-Marion-Nowitzki-Haywood?

huh? who's a worse defender than nash?

and yeah you have nash/defensive wing/ in your hypothetical lineup. i just said that the only way i'd want nash is with the addition of ray allen (still a solid defender) and garnett (solid defender)

nash reallyyyyy has to be hidden on defense that's why we could never get very far with both he and nowitzki on the court at the same time. it'll be even harder now that they're both old, i think the only way is if the other 3 guys happen to be defensive studs. that's how basketball works. it's why tyson was so good next to dirk, he hid dirk's weakness (interior defense)

[Latarian Milton]

TOSB duncan is a FA too but we know he ain't signing with no other team except the spurs, once the spurs think he's too old and refuse to offer him a new contract he's gonna retire then

[ducks]

if spurs do not sign d williams or can get d howard they should trade dirk and just start over
what does dirk have 2 years left at his current level?
dallas needs to get young like spurs did this offseason

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

I'd roll with a D-Will/ Cj Miles backcourt for the future. It's pretty exciting tbh.... you know this team is going to clean house and welcome in a new era of Dallas Mavericks to take us into the future. Can't wait

[MavDynasty]

Sup lil nigga

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Sup lil nigga

Sup big homie. Still pimpin ho's and whooping tysons fake blood azz daily?