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RandomGuy
05-09-2012, 11:47 AM
Today's vocabulary word is:

Disintermediation. Let's hope information technology, works its magic on real estate.

I will also add to this: Title insurance is a complete waste. The government could do the same thing for 1/10th the cost.

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I made $970,000 last year. How much did you make?
[note: picture and caption was part of article at Economist.com -RG]

IN BRITAIN, if you want to sell your home, an estate agent will list the property, find a buyer, help you negotiate a deal and guide you through the transaction, all for a commission of 2-3% of the sale price. In America, realtors provide the same services for roughly double the fee.

Are they worth it? The shouty realtors in David Mamet’s film Glengarry Glen Ross (pictured) certainly think so. (“[My] watch costs more than your car…that’s who I am.”) Others disagree. Chang-Tai Hsieh of the University of Chicago finds that American property brokers cause “social waste” of $8 billion a year via overcharging and inefficiency.

Economists are baffled. The internet has squelched inefficient middlemen in other industries, from insurance brokers to travel agents. Why not American realtors? Although scores of discount brokers and for-sale-by-owner websites have sprouted up, traditional full-service realtors have somehow maintained their market share of 80% without reducing fees.

The business used to operate like a series of local cartels. In a typical area, a handful of brokers controlled a shared database of available homes, and limited their cheaper rivals’ access to those listings. In 2008 in the United States and 2010 in Canada, regulators struck deals with realtors to open up these databases. Yet since then the average commission has actually risen, from 5.0% in 2005 to 5.4% in 2011, according to REAL Trends, a research firm.

Why are high fees so persistent? One counterintuitive theory is that America’s housing bust has buoyed them. Selling a home is easy when prices are rising. But when financing dries up and volumes dip, sellers may need an agent’s expertise and energetic marketing to find a buyer.

Never give a sucker an even break

Another theory is that clients are suckers. Agents routinely tell buyers not to worry about the fat commission because “the seller pays it.” Meanwhile, they tell sellers not to worry because they will jack up the price of the home to cover it. According to Steve Murray of REAL Trends, two-thirds of clients choose an agent because of a prior personal relationship or referral. They may be reluctant to haggle with realtors to whom they have social ties.

A third theory is that the industry is less competitive than it looks. In most areas a few big brokers handle most transactions. They set high fees, which lure ever more people into the profession: between 1998 and 2005 the number of members of America’s National Association of Realtors grew by 67%. These agents waste time competing with each other for the exclusive right to sell each home, sapping productivity. According to Norm Miller of the University of San Diego, an average agent in Britain closes 40-50 deals a year, compared with just seven in America.

Cynics say the industry has captured its regulators. The property commissions of American states are usually made up of brokers. Perhaps this is why many states have banned commission rebates—a form of discounting—or set up “minimum-service” standards that stop brokers offering fewer services for less money.

The biggest cause, however, is probably the interdependent nature of the business. Since both the buyer and seller are represented by agents in most transactions, brokers must collaborate to close deals at the same time as they compete for listings. Buyers’ agents have an incentive only to show their clients homes whose sellers offer them a standard 3% commission.

To solve this problem, many sellers’ agents offer to cut their own fee while still offering the full price to the buyer’s agent. Alas, word soon spreads that they are giving rebates. That makes many buyers’ agents steer their clients elsewhere—either in solidarity with full-service brokers or because they fear a discounter will leave them with the lion’s share of the work.

Such stealth discrimination is hard to prove: buyers’ agents can always say they ignored a listing because it did not meet their client’s needs. But Colby Sambrotto, the founder of ForSaleByOwner.com and USRealty.com, a discount broker, says that after trying to sell his own home in New York by himself, he was forced to hire an agent to get it shown to potential buyers.

Such retaliation is hardly universal: Mr Sambrotto says it was a “regular exception rather than the rule” for his firm’s clients in most markets. But because discounters need to make up for lower commissions with higher volumes, even a small amount of discrimination is often enough to drive them out of business. The demise of the 6% commission may still be inevitable. But for now, it seems a long way off.

http://www.economist.com/node/21554204

CosmicCowboy
05-09-2012, 01:09 PM
I have already decided to get my real estate license and go into ranch sales when I sell my existing business. Knock down a couple of million dollar sales a year and it beats the hell out of a Social Security check.

jack sommerset
05-09-2012, 01:18 PM
I have already decided to get my real estate license and go into ranch sales when I sell my existing business. Knock down a couple of million dollar sales a year and it beats the hell out of a Social Security check.

Amen to that. I will have mine by the end of summer. God bless

Blake
05-09-2012, 01:27 PM
I've thought along similar lines..

TDMVPDPOY
05-09-2012, 01:44 PM
Are they worth it? The shouty realtors in David Mamet’s film Glengarry Glen Ross (pictured) certainly think so. (“[My] watch costs more than your car…that’s who I am.”) Others disagree. Chang-Tai Hsieh of the University of Chicago finds that American property brokers cause “social waste” of $8 billion a year via overcharging and inefficiency.



http://www.economist.com/node/21554204

fail

part of the 8billion in commission gets taxed caused of the middle man being created, from a seller pov his not needed imo for doing shit all when you have access to the net to do ur advertising...

if you remove the agent, then there wont be any tax collected unless those properties are all investment property that has CGT attached to it when sold..

i agree with the middle man (agent) is not needed in these type of transactions who dont do shit to earn that 2-3% commission on sales figure, ,just one transaction they be laughin all the way to the bank...dont get me started with what happens at house auctions...lol vendor bids is the biggest fkn scam

DarrinS
05-09-2012, 01:55 PM
http://images.frontdoor.com/FDOOR/articles/2104_FSBO-Guide/FSBO-Sign.jpg

CosmicCowboy
05-09-2012, 02:01 PM
Amen to that. I will have mine by the end of summer. God bless

Are you doing the 150 or 210? Did you do yours online or in person?

Blake
05-09-2012, 02:20 PM
http://images.frontdoor.com/FDOOR/articles/2104_FSBO-Guide/FSBO-Sign.jpg

That looks like a flaglot, imo.

Wild Cobra
05-09-2012, 02:22 PM
That looks like a flaglot, imo.
I wish you would stop obsessing over me.

Blake
05-09-2012, 03:16 PM
I wish you would stop obsessing over me.

You mean you wish I would forget about your funny posts.

Capt Bringdown
05-09-2012, 08:22 PM
Let's hope information technology, works its magic on real estate.

I know for a fact that millions of dollars have been thrown at working this magic already. Circa 2000, I worked for such a project, a web start up. All industry guys, smart people, deep pockets, years of development, millions of $, tons of man hours, all for naught.

Don't know why somebody hasn't cracked this problem, you're right, it seems like a natural fit for info technology to the rescue.

spursncowboys
05-09-2012, 11:37 PM
there was a great chapter in freakonomics about this. Since they charge around 8%, if you cannot sell your house over 10% then it probably isn't worth it. Your tax dollars go to me being able to get a realtor at no cost to me.

jack sommerset
05-10-2012, 08:04 AM
Are you doing the 150 or 210? Did you do yours online or in person?

I would like to take the classes in person but I have not made the kids summer schedule yet. If I cant I will go for the 150. I have my own business (distribution) plus I contract work with FC Dallas and Texas Legends. For me this is a great time to get my license. I'm also looking Into property management. God bless

101A
05-10-2012, 08:14 AM
Said it in the OP; people are suckers.

Buying/Selling homes is NOT rocket science; The Title Company in Tx does all the work, here in Pa I used a Lawyer; either way I've bought two FSBO, and sold two FSBO.

Realtors are basically useless.

RandomGuy
05-10-2012, 08:23 AM
Said it in the OP; people are suckers.

Buying/Selling homes is NOT rocket science; The Title Company in Tx does all the work, here in Pa I used a Lawyer; either way I've bought two FSBO, and sold two FSBO.

Realtors are basically useless.

Worse than useless, they are parasites, sucking money out of the process and giving nothing in return.

I can see it if you want someone to represent you and you don't have the time, and don't want to bother with it.

Blake
05-10-2012, 10:14 AM
Said it in the OP; people are suckers.

Buying/Selling homes is NOT rocket science; The Title Company in Tx does all the work, here in Pa I used a Lawyer; either way I've bought two FSBO, and sold two
Realtors are basically useless.

if you try to buy on your own, you are a bit limited when trying to view a home....... Especially if the home is vacant.