Partisan Psychology: Why Do People Choose Political Loyalties Over Facts?

[Spurminator]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2012/05/09/152287372/partisan-psychology-why-are-people-partial-to-political-loyalties-over-facts

Highlights:


When pollsters ask Republicans and Democrats whether the president can do anything about high gas prices, the answers reflect the usual partisan divisions in the country. About two-thirds of Republicans say the president can do something about high gas prices, and about two-thirds of Democrats say he can't.

But six years ago, with a Republican president in the White House, the numbers were reversed: Three-fourths of Democrats said President Bush could do something about high gas prices, while the majority of Republicans said gas prices were clearly outside the president's control.


Nyhan and Reifler hypothesized that partisans reject such information not because they're against the facts, but because it's painful. That notion suggested a possible solution: If partisans were made to feel better about themselves — if they received a little image and ego boost — could this help them more easily absorb the "blow" of information that threatens their pre-existing views?

Nyhan said that ongoing — and as yet, unpublished — research was showing the technique could be effective. The researchers had voters think of times in their lives when they had done something very positive and found that, fortified by this positive memory, voters were more willing to take in information that challenged their pre-existing views.

[boutons_deux]

I'm open-minded and waiting to hear that the Repugs/VRWC have done anything positive for the country in the last 40 years.

Anybody?

[TeyshaBlue]

lol

[Spurminator]

If anyone is going to answer boutons' question, make sure you give him a compliment first.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Sort of like the people who put thier heads in the sand when it became obvious we had been sold a set of bad goods on the reasons for the Iraq war..and now those same people want to get to the bottom of the fast and furious 'scandal

[Wild Cobra]

If anyone is going to answer boutons' question, make sure you give him a compliment first.
I'm sorry. He lost me at "I'm open minded."

[benefactor]

Outstanding article.

[baseline bum]

I'm open-minded and waiting to hear that the Repugs/VRWC have done anything positive for the country in the last 40 years.

Anybody?

Reagan was a big part of the SSC in Waxahachie. It would have been amazing to have the Dallas area as the center of the physics world had it not been cancelled under Clinton. :depressed

[boutons_deux]

Reagan was a big part of the SSC in Waxahachie. It would have been amazing to have the Dallas area as the center of the physics world had it not been cancelled under Clinton. :depressed

During the design and the first construction stage, a heated debate ensued about the high cost of the project. In 1987, Congress was told the project could be completed for $4.4 billion, and it gained the enthusiastic support of Speaker Jim Wright of nearby Fort Worth.[5][dubious – discuss] By 1993, the cost projection exceeded $12 billion. A recurring argument was the contrast with NASA's contribution to the International Space Station (ISS), a similar dollar amount.[3] Critics of the project argued that the US could not afford both of them. Early in 1993 a group supported by funds from project contractors organized a public relations campaign to lobby Congress directly,[6] but in June, the non-profit Project on Government Oversight released a draft audit report by the Department of Energy's Inspector General heavily criticizing the Super Collider for its high costs and poor management by officials in charge of it.[7][8]


A high-level schematic of the lab landscape during the final planning phases.
Congress officially canceled the project October 21, 1993[9] after $2 billion had been spent.[10] Many factors contributed to the cancellation:[3] rising cost estimates; poor management by physicists and Department of Energy officials; the end of the need to prove the supremacy of American science with the collapse of the Soviet Union; belief that many smaller scientific experiments of equal merit could be funded for the same cost; Congress's desire to generally reduce spending; the reluctance of Texas Governor Ann Richards;[11] and President Bill Clinton's initial lack of support for a project begun during the administrations of Richards's predecessor, Bill Clements, and Clinton's predecessors, Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush. However, in 1993, Clinton tried to prevent the cancellation by asking Congress to continue "to support this important and challenging effort" through completion because "abandoning the SSC at this point would signal that the United States is compromising its position of leadership in basic science".[12]
Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, places the cancellation of the SSC in the context of a bigger national and global socio-economic crisis, and not just for science.[3]

President Clinton signed the bill which finally cancelled the project on October 31, 1993, stating regret at the "serious loss" for science

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider

anybody else?

[baseline bum]

President Clinton signed the bill which finally cancelled the project on October 31, 1993, stating regret at the "serious loss" for science

[TeyshaBlue]

omfg :lmao

[boutons_deux]

did Clinton write the bill?

btw, Clinton isn't a Repug.

"I'm open-minded and waiting to hear that the Repugs/VRWC have done anything positive for the country in the last 40 years."

[TeyshaBlue]

Lrn2read

[TeyshaBlue]

But here's a quick hit off the top of my head:

EPA

Surely you can read that short, 3 letter combo.

[TeyshaBlue]

did Clinton write the bill?

btw, Clinton isn't a Repug.

"I'm open-minded and waiting to hear that the Repugs/VRWC have done anything positive for the country in the last 40 years."

The SSC was a creation of the Regan administration. The Clinton administration killed it.

Fuck, dude. Lrn2read.

[baseline bum]

I answered you; Reagan helped get that project started. And Clinton voted for killing it by signing the bill. lol partisan dumbass

gfy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Reagan was a big part of the SSC in Waxahachie. It would have been amazing to have the Dallas area as the center of the physics world had it not been cancelled under Clinton. :depressed

Big science used to be the GOP. Not anymore.

[TeyshaBlue]

Eyup.

[boutons_deux]

"we're broke" (ie, the 99%)

[boutons_deux]

Big science used to be the GOP. Not anymore.

that's why St Ronnie is way too left for today's Repugs.

[TeyshaBlue]

That's why your asinine implication was shot down immediately.

[TeyshaBlue]

Again. :facepalm

[TeyshaBlue]

lol @ openminded.

[boutons_deux]

President Clinton signed the bill which finally cancelled the project on October 31, 1993, stating regret at the "serious loss" for science

Congress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress) officially canceled the project October 21, 1993 after $2 billion had been spent.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider#cite_note-Sun-Journal-13) Many factors contributed to the cancellation:[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider#cite_note-weinberg2012-3) rising cost estimates; poor management by physicists and Department of Energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Energy) officials; the end of the need to prove the supremacy of American science with the collapse of the Soviet Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union); belief that many smaller scientific experiments of equal merit could be funded for the same cost; Congress's desire to generally reduce spending; the reluctance of Texas Governor Ann Richards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Richards);[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider#cite_note-14) and President Bill Clinton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton)'s initial lack of support for a project begun during the administrations of Richards's predecessor, Bill Clements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clements), and Clinton's predecessors, Ronald Reagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan) and George H. W. Bush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush).

However, in 1993, Clinton tried to prevent the cancellation by asking Congress to continue "to support this important and challenging effort" through completion because "abandoning the SSC at this point would signal that the United States is compromising its position of leadership in basic science".[15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider#cite_note-15)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Super_Collider

[TeyshaBlue]

You missed the bill he signed right?

[TeyshaBlue]

the reluctance of Texas Governor Ann Richards;[14] and President Bill Clinton's initial lack of support for a project begun during the administrations of Richards's predecessor, Bill Clements, and Clinton's predecessors, Ronald Reagan and George H. W.

I see you missed this part in your wiki cite.

[baseline bum]

You missed the bill he signed right?

Doesn't matter, because he gave a nice speech saying he supported it. Walking the walk doesn't mean shit if you can't first talk the talk tbh.

[TeyshaBlue]

Not to boutons. Gfy.

[baseline bum]

the reluctance of Texas Governor Ann Richards;[14] and President Bill Clinton's initial lack of support for a project begun during the administrations of Richards's predecessor, Bill Clements, and Clinton's predecessors, Ronald Reagan and George H. W.

I see you missed this part in your wiki cite.

Still pisses me off; that motherfucker would have found the Higgs Boson more than a decade ago. But instead of being the center of the scientific world Texas is the center of the jeebotard creationist world now.

[TeyshaBlue]

Still pisses me off; that motherfucker would have found the Higgs Boson more than a decade ago. But instead of being the center of the scientific world Texas is the center of the jeebotard creationist world now.

Perry would've probably insisted on a sonogram first anyway.

[TeyshaBlue]

Next up: The EPA. Nixon was secretly a Democrat.:lmao

[baseline bum]

Since we're discussing good thing the Repugs have done in the last 40 years, how about Daddy Bush's handling of the Berlin Wall? HW helped Gorbachev tiptoe that line that kept the hardliner Communists from kicking him out of power and returning the USSR to its Stalinist roots. If Gorbachev falls, no way the Berlin Wall comes down without a shot being fired.

[boutons_deux]

Next up: The EPA. Nixon was secretly a Democrat.:lmao

Nixon would get primaried and defeated.

Nixon, when Repugs were still more or less center-right, moderate, actually did or proposed a lot of great bills, policies, regulations. yes, like EPA, OSHA, even proposed UNIVERSAL health insurance or something very similar.

So you've got to go back FIFTY FUCKING YEARS to find something the Repugs did for the 99%? :lol

Then the VRWC got organized in the early/mid 70s, and pulled the Repugs extremely to the right, and has fucked America every which way since then.

Got any thing else, say from 1980 when VRWC got their useful idiot St Ronnie elected by sabotaging the Iranian hostage situation?

[TeyshaBlue]

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

:lmao

see, I bitch slap ya, and ya got nothing but smileys.

[TeyshaBlue]

I see you ignored Baselinebum :cry because he didnt say what yiu wanted to hear:cry.
lol ignoring the SSC because :cry it isnt what you want to hear.:cry

[TeyshaBlue]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

:lol

[boutons_deux]

Since we're discussing good thing the Repugs have done in the last 40 years, how about Daddy Bush's handling of the Berlin Wall? HW helped Gorbachev tiptoe that line that kept the hardliner Communists from kicking him out of power and returning the USSR to its Stalinist roots. If Gorbachev falls, no way the Berlin Wall comes down without a shot being fired.

here's one description that doesn't fit your pro-Repug revisionism:

In a December 1989 summit between Bush and Gorbachev in Malta, the two leaders discussed arms reductions and strengthening their relations. At a summit in Washington, D.C., in June 1990, the two men signed a broad arms reduction agreement in which the United States and Soviet Union consented to decreasing their nuclear arsenals. Bush and his secretary of state, James Baker, worked hard to establish a meaningful relationship with Gorbachev and Eduard Shevardnadze, the Soviet foreign minister. By most accounts, they were very successful in redefining relations with the Soviet Union in a post-Cold War environment. In July 1991, Bush met Gorbachev in Moscow and signed the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, known as START.

When Gorbachev's opponents attempted a coup to oust him from power the next month, the Bush administration waited anxiously for the outcome. The coup failed, and Gorbachev resumed his position but the Soviet Union was in evident decline. Throughout the fall, the Soviet Republics began to declare their independence from the Soviet Union, and in December, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus announced they were forming a new confederation of states. Gorbachev resigned as the President of the Soviet Union on December 25, 1991.

http://millercenter.org/president/bush/essays/biography/5

"after Russian President Boris Yeltsin gave an address from atop a tank outside the White House denouncing the coup, a large number of Muscovites marched on the parliament and formed a barricade between the building and the tanks, sparking a two-day stand-off which culminated in the military backing down."

https://suite.io/philip-sim/3mqq20v

seems like the failure of the coup was a Russo-Russian internal affair. It wasn't Pappy Bush standing on top of that tank.

So scratch "Bush saved Gorby's ass" as something the Repugs did for the 99%.

[boutons_deux]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

:lol

MA is a blue state, and not a Repug state.

Romney's narrow plan in reaction to the Dem legislature's various projects was vastly modified, expanded. The Repug NATIONAL party and its hate/kil-govt policies had nothing to with MA health care reform, and wants to kill Obamacare (and medicare and medicaid).

Got any other bullshit for me to knockdown? :lol

[spurraider21]

i think its retarded to say "open minded" and "repug" in the same post tbh

[boutons_deux]

i think its retarded to say "open minded" and "repug" in the same post tbh

I'm waiting while you right-wing dickheads Show Me The Repugs doing anything for the 99% in the past 35, 40 years.

I've bitched slapped the couple of VERY OLD items so far.

Nixon's policies were pretty much the end of moderate Republicanism, are HATED by today's Repugs as much as they HATE FDR and the 1960s.

Nixon recruited the Confederate racist Dems to the Repugs, which essentially drove the Repugs to today's extreme anti-(northern)-govt ideology, Christian anti-science bullshit and Christian theocratic fantasies.

Still waiting for all the wonderful stuff the "modern" Repugs/VRWC have done for the 99% these last 40 years of the VRWC organized ascendance.

[spurraider21]

i like how depending on who i talk to on this forum... i have ranged from "right-wing dickhead" to "faggot liberal" :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

Critical thought is not boutons strong suit.

[TeyshaBlue]

MA is a blue state, and not a Repug state.

Romney's narrow plan in reaction to the Dem legislature's various projects was vastly modified, expanded. The Repug NATIONAL party and its hate/kil-govt policies had nothing to with MA health care reform, and wants to kill Obamacare (and medicare and medicaid).

Got any other bullshit for me to knockdown?
Last time I checked, Romney was a Republucan. Bitch, meet slap.
lol simpleton.

[boutons_deux]

Last time I checked, Romney was a Republucan. Bitch, meet slap.
lol simpleton.

MA health care project came up from the Dem legislature and other MA orgs, was not initiated by Bishop Gecko. MA health care was NEVER endorsed or used as an example by Repug national leadership who saw it, see it as government overreach. MA health care was NEVER a reason Bishop Gecko made it through to Repug candidacy.

And of course you ignore the REAL REPUG objectives of destroying ACA, Medicare, SS.

Got anything else, bitch?

[TeyshaBlue]

Your laughable obfuscation aside, Romney signed it. He backed it. He got credit for it. Suck it, bitch.

[TeyshaBlue]

Auto industry bailout ring a bell?
Yeah, that was Bush's initially.

Now go find a moonbat blog to tell you it wasn't.

Or will you move the goal posts again to actions within the last 30 minutes?:lmao

[Th'Pusher]

Is it really this difficult to find a Republican initiated policy change that benefitted more than 1% over the last 40 years? Valid points TB (Romneycare and the GM bailout :)), but it seems this task should be a little easier. Or are you just conditioning your responses to policy BD will accept as sufficiently progressive?

[TeyshaBlue]

Is it really this difficult to find a Republican initiated policy change that benefitted more than 1% over the last 40 years? Valid points TB (Romneycare and the GM bailout :)), but it seems this task should be a little easier. Or are you just conditioning your responses to policy BD will accept as sufficiently progressive?
Who said it was difficult? It's actually quite easy. Its impossible to provide a response sufficiently progressive enough for boutons. He is poisoned by his pre-existing narrative. My next softball would've been TARP.

[Th'Pusher]

Who said it was difficult? It's actually quite easy. Its impossible to provide a response sufficiently progressive enough for boutons. He is poisoned by his pre-existing narrative. My next softball would've been TARP.

So the origin of three major policies that are now firmly attached to Obama are your best examples of Republican policy change for the 99% since Nixon? Seems odd, but ok.

[TeyshaBlue]

So the origin of three major policies that are now firmly attached to Obama are your best examples of Republican policy change for the 99% since Nixon? Seems odd, but ok.

Where did the policy change qualifier come from? Narrative working overtime?
Plenty of actions that fly under the radar, Push. You just have to accept the possibility first.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123000941.html

[TeyshaBlue]

Major policies always flow from administration to administration. What....you thought Obama invoked Social Security?:p:

[Th'Pusher]

Where did the policy change qualifier come from? Narrative working overtime?
Plenty of actions that fly under the radar, Push. You just have to accept the possibility first.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/30/AR2006123000941.html

I'm fully accepting of the possibility. I was just struck by how difficult the task seemed to be to execute on. HW and Gorbi, Obamacare, GM bailout and TARP?

RE aid to Africa a noble deed to be sure, but not exactly a windfall for the 99% in the US.

[TeyshaBlue]

Accepted...except it really wasnt difficult to execute. I literally pulled them off the top of my head. I only had to look for supporting verbage for Africa. Providing aid to the needy need not be bound by borders in order to reap benefits for us. The money poured into Aids alone benefits the planet....us included. Inversely, the US suffers for the toxic shit we pull around the world and the citizens often bear the brunt of foreign policy gaffes (911 anyone?).

[baseline bum]

LOL, I talk about the Berlin Wall falling and boutons switches the the coup on Gorbachev two years later. You hear that teysha, I'm a Koch-sucking VRWCer just like you!

[baseline bum]

Is it really this difficult to find a Republican initiated policy change that benefitted more than 1% over the last 40 years? Valid points TB (Romneycare and the GM bailout :)), but it seems this task should be a little easier. Or are you just conditioning your responses to policy BD will accept as sufficiently progressive?

You left out the super collider, which was what immediately popped into my head given the question.

[TeyshaBlue]

LOL, I talk about the Berlin Wall falling and boutons switches the the coup on Gorbachev two years later. You hear that teysha, I'm a Koch-sucking VRWCer just like you!

Join me for a chalise of chilled peasant's blood? Oh, do bring the grey poupon.

[Th'Pusher]

You left out the super collider, which was what immediately popped into my head given the question.

Good one.

[baseline bum]

Join me for a chalise of chilled peasant's blood? Oh, do bring the grey poupon.

I'll be a little late, as I have to go out and buy myself some more money on the way.

[baseline bum]

Dp

[TeyshaBlue]

boutons :lol nothing to say

[boutons_deux]

LOL, I talk about the Berlin Wall falling and boutons switches the the coup on Gorbachev two years later. You hear that teysha, I'm a Koch-sucking VRWCer just like you!

what EXACT role did Pappy play to protect Gorby? links?

[boutons_deux]

Was Gorby threatened at the fall of the Wall? He was certainly threatened while on vacation during the attempted coup in Moscow. Where was Pappy then?