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cheguevara
05-10-2012, 01:43 PM
http://media.washtimes.com/media/community/viewpoint/entry/2012/05/10/Romney-why_cant_he_win_delegates_s640x427.jpg?73b8e216858 96c3f2859310aaa5adb253919b641

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/may/10/why-cant-romney-win-delegates-ron-paul/


The media continues to insinuate that there is not only something underhanded about Paul’s strategy, but something fundamentally wrong with what Politico describes as “the country’s cumbersome and arcane system for nominating presidential candidates.” According to this narrative, Paul’s supporters are “undermining democracy” by using said “arcane rules” to nullify the wishes of the electorate.

One could argue that Paul’s strategy is perfectly legitimate and that the process is deliberately set up the way it is to ensure that only informed and committed voters become delegates and choose the nominee. It is a republican rather than a democratic electoral process.

This process doesn’t disenfranchise anyone because everyone has an equal opportunity to become a delegate. The rules are not “arcane.” Arcane means that the information is only available to some people. The rules for how one can become a delegate and how the nominee is chosen are published on the Republican Party website in each state and are equally available to everyone.


By the time that a candidate for the RNC delegation has participated in the local caucus, the district or county conventions, and finally the state convention, he not only knows who all of the candidates are but can likely recite their policy positions. He’s heard them over and over during that process.

During all of that debate and campaigning, he may also have learned that the other candidates are right about a few things, even if he disagrees with them on most others. Sometimes, supporters of competing candidates even form coalitions to achieve common interests.

Delegates are also required to be more committed to their candidates than primary voters. Those local, district, county and state conventions aren’t exactly exciting. In fact, they’re downright boring, unless you really care about U.S. domestic and foreign policy and your candidate’s positions.

So, Romney does overwhelmingly better in contests that don’t require the participants to be informed on the issues or even know all of the candidates. They can say they’re against a war but vote for its biggest proponent. They can vote for a candidate even if they are unaware that he is doing time in a federal prison. Their candidate may be the only one they’re aware of because he gets far more coverage by the media and far more advertising money from Wall Street and other special interests. They aren’t required to know that or even be curious about it. All they have to do is register and make a 15-minute commitment to pull a lever behind a curtain.

Ron Paul does overwhelmingly better in contests that require delegates to commit months of their time to the process, to hear the arguments of the other candidates ad nauseum and make arguments for their own candidate in return, and sometimes even form coalitions with the delegates supporting other candidates in order to achieve common goals.

Which process would you rather see determine the nominee for president?

ChumpDumper
05-10-2012, 01:48 PM
Which process would you rather see determine the nominee for president? The one advertized as the process which determines the nominee for president.

JoeChalupa
05-10-2012, 02:35 PM
Why does it matter? Ron Paul is....? where is Ron Paul these days?

Wild Cobra
05-10-2012, 03:22 PM
Why does it matter? Ron Paul is....? where is Ron Paul these days?

He's busy gathering more delegates, unnoticed by the media.

cheguevara
05-10-2012, 03:30 PM
Why does it matter? Ron Paul is....? where is Ron Paul these days?

Ron Paul grabs majority of delegates in Maine, Nevada for RNC
http://www.examiner.com/article/ron-paul-grabs-majority-of-delegates-maine-nevada-for-rnc

Republicans Are Finally Getting Nervous About Ron Paul's Secret Delegate Strategy
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-09/politics/31629069_1_paul-supporters-paul-campaign-romney-supporters

Paul delegation vows to be a force in Tampa
http://watchdog.org/15618/paul-delegation-vows-to-be-a-force-in-tampa/

Ron Paul raining on Romney's parade
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/05/06/Politics-2012-Ron-Paul-raining-on-Romneys-parade/UPI-78871336295220/?spt=hts&or=3

Ron Paul Could Still Win Enough Delegates To Deny Mitt Romney The Republican Nomination
http://www.rightsidenews.com/2012050816182/us/politics-and-economics/ron-paul-could-still-win-enough-delegates-to-deny-mitt-romney-the-republican-nomination.html

cheguevara
05-10-2012, 03:31 PM
The one advertized as the process which determines the nominee for president.

had you read the entire article you would have known that the writter's premise is that it might be preferable for a minority of informed voters to pick the nominee over the entire mass of uninformed voters.

boutons_deux
05-10-2012, 03:34 PM
so what's the delegate count for each of these assholes?

Wild Cobra
05-10-2012, 03:35 PM
so what's the delegate count for each of these assholes?
Impossible to know for sure. Law varies by state, and the many or most delegates are not required to commit until the convention process.

Paul could actually win this.

boutons_deux
05-10-2012, 03:38 PM
Paul could actually win this.

In your fantasies

cheguevara
05-10-2012, 03:39 PM
so what's the delegate count for each of these assholes?

Privately, sources close to the Ron Paul campaign say they believe Republicans will continue to ramp up his efforts to block Paul delegates at state conventions, particularly after Romney's embarrassing delegate losses in Massachusetts. But state organizers tell Business Insider that Paul supporters are significantly more organized than Romney's delegate team, and are ready to put up a tough fight in states like Idaho and Washington.

At this point, it is difficult to gage the actual delegate count, but even his closest campaign advisors admit it would be virtually impossible for Paul to deny Romney the nomination in Tampa.

So why are Establishment Republicans so concerned?

Even if the nomination is not in play, an army of Paul delegates could cause significant problems for the presumptive nominee, who needs a smooth convention to assuage concerns about his ability to unite and energize the Republican base.

While some of Paul's delegates will be bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot, they will not answer to Romney's campaign. That means that the presumptive nominee will have little control over how those delegates vote on the other issues at the convention, including the party platform, the convention chair, and even the vice-presidential nominee. If Paul winds up with the majority of delegates in six states — and it looks like he might — they will have the power to stop the convention proceedings, and make a motion on anything from electing a new convention chair, to changing the rules, to introducing new platform positions.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-09/politics/31629069_1_paul-supporters-paul-campaign-romney-supporters/2#ixzz1uV9LwKHK

ChumpDumper
05-10-2012, 04:54 PM
had you read the entire article you would have known that the writter's premise is that it might be preferable for a minority of informed voters to pick the nominee over the entire mass of uninformed voters.I know the writer's premise. He's an elitist, just like you.

If that's true he should call to scrap the primary system altogether. I disagree.

FuzzyLumpkins
05-10-2012, 05:18 PM
I am going to laugh my ass off if Paul contests the convention and then ultimately uses that as a springboard for an independent campaign.

I hope he does cause I will vote for him.

SA210
05-10-2012, 05:25 PM
I am going to laugh my ass off if Paul contests the convention and then ultimately uses that as a springboard for an independent campaign.

I hope he does cause I will vote for him.


:tu Would be awesome, and the butthurt from Paul haters will grow even more. Many RP supporters are ex-Obama supporters.

TheSkeptic
05-10-2012, 05:58 PM
:tu Would be awesome, and the butthurt from Paul haters will grow even more. Many RP supporters are ex-Obama supporters.

I like Ron Paul better than the other candidates honestly. While I think he has his flaws at times, he seems like someone with a lot of integrity for a politician. His foreign policy is pretty good as well.

Mitt Romney
05-11-2012, 07:55 AM
Cheguava, I've got the nomination in the bag. :lol

boutons_deux
05-11-2012, 08:52 AM
Privately, sources close to the Ron Paul campaign say they believe Republicans will continue to ramp up his efforts to block Paul delegates at state conventions, particularly after Romney's embarrassing delegate losses in Massachusetts. But state organizers tell Business Insider that Paul supporters are significantly more organized than Romney's delegate team, and are ready to put up a tough fight in states like Idaho and Washington.

At this point, it is difficult to gage the actual delegate count, but even his closest campaign advisors admit it would be virtually impossible for Paul to deny Romney the nomination in Tampa.

So why are Establishment Republicans so concerned?

Even if the nomination is not in play, an army of Paul delegates could cause significant problems for the presumptive nominee, who needs a smooth convention to assuage concerns about his ability to unite and energize the Republican base.

While some of Paul's delegates will be bound to vote for Romney on the first ballot, they will not answer to Romney's campaign. That means that the presumptive nominee will have little control over how those delegates vote on the other issues at the convention, including the party platform, the convention chair, and even the vice-presidential nominee. If Paul winds up with the majority of delegates in six states — and it looks like he might — they will have the power to stop the convention proceedings, and make a motion on anything from electing a new convention chair, to changing the rules, to introducing new platform positions.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-05-09/politics/31629069_1_paul-supporters-paul-campaign-romney-supporters/2#ixzz1uV9LwKHK

so what's the delegate count?

TeyshaBlue
05-11-2012, 09:17 AM
3? lol

boutons_deux
05-11-2012, 09:41 AM
So Randian Paul's delegates could only fuck up the Repug convention, but they can't stop Gecko. BFD

RP remains a silly, effect side-show, as always.