Lebron wins MVP

[Darth_Pelican]

Per ESPN just now

[jeebus]

Choke City

[J.T.]

Parker didn't win it? But the Spurs tied for the best record yet didn't lose like the Bulls did! :madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun:madrun

This was a no-brainer for MVP but why aren't we talking about this MVP award having an asterisk because of the lockout when everyone and their dog says the NBA title will?

[Josepatches_]

No surprise.

He's the best player of the league.

[NewcastleKEG]

This was a no-brainer for MVP but why aren't we talking about this MVP award having an asterisk because of the lockout when everyone and their dog says the NBA title will?
Who & where did that post you quoted come from

[NewcastleKEG]

No surprise.

He's the best player of the league.
Which has nothing to do with being the most VALUABLE player

[Juggity]

Who & where did that post you quoted come from

Who and where did Derrick Rose's SAT proxy come from?

[Pelicans78]

He's the best and most valuable. Did more for his team than anyone else, offensively and defensively.

[NewcastleKEG]

Who and where did Derrick Rose's SAT proxy come from?
Not sure. I stopped caring about 17 year olds when I became too old to fuck them

[NewcastleKEG]

He's the best and most valuable. Did more for his team than anyone else, offensively and defensively.
He plays with another TOP5 player & they couldn't even get the best record in their own conference..... for a 2nd straight year

Most flashy = Yes
The best = Yes
Most valuable = FUK NO


Is James even the most valuable player in his own locker room? Games are won in the 4th Quarter when he disappears

[Pelicans78]

He plays with another TOP5 player & they couldn't even get the best record in their own conference..... for a 2nd straight year

Most flashy = Yes
The best = Yes
Most valuable = FUK NO


Is James even the most valuable player in his own locker room? Games are won in the 4th Quarter when he disappears

Does more for his team than anyone else in the regular season. Wade missed 17 games this year, and the Heat's depth doesn't compare to the Spurs or Bulls. Lebron pretty much does everything for them. 28 ppg, 8 rpg, and 6 apg. Didn't have that much help outside of Bosh for most of the season.

[tesseractive]

No surprise.

He's the best player of the league.

In the regular season. But he's never won the real MVP award.

[NewcastleKEG]

Does more for his team than anyone else in the regular season. Wade missed 17 games this year, and the Heat's depth doesn't compare to the Spurs or Bulls. Lebron pretty much does everything for them. 28 ppg, 8 rpg, and 6 apg. Didn't have that much help outside of Bosh for most of the season.
Rose missed more games & James still couldn't get the best record in the East?

Point remains..... James will not get a title without Wade shooting him to one. That is not the description of a MVP

[Pelicans78]

Rose missed more games & James still couldn't get the best record in the East?

Point remains..... James will not get a title without Wade shooting him to one. That is not the description of a MVP

The criteria is most valuable in the regular season. James was more valuable to his team than anyone else. If James missed the amount of games that Rose did, the Heat wouldn't have been the number two seed in the East. They're not as deep as the Bulls or as well coached.

[NewcastleKEG]

The criteria is most valuable in the regular season. James was more valuable to his team than anyone else. If James missed the amount of games that Rose did, the Heat wouldn't have been the number two seed in the East. They're not as deep as the Bulls or as well coached.
They need to rename the award to Best Player Award then.

How could James possibly be more valuable than Love?

[J.T.]

Who & where did that post you quoted come from

It came from the part of my brain that handles comedy. I more or less imagined what GNSF's opinion of this is and then posted that.

[GoodOdor]

Well deserved.

[Stalin]

indeed

[NewcastleKEG]

It came from the part of my brain that handles comedy. I more or less imagined what GNSF's opinion of this is and then posted that.
Gotcha. A quick search revealed that GNSF is some kind of cult around here

[Cry Havoc]

Most valuable = FUK NO

He's a top 5 offensive and defensive player by nearly any metric you could use to measure it. There are no other players in the NBA you could say that about.


Is James even the most valuable player in his own locker room? Games are won in the 4th Quarter when he disappears

LeBron was 2nd in the league in 4th quarter PER this season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/13850/lebron-continues-fourth-quarter-dominance

[Pelicans78]

They need to rename the award to Best Player Award then.

How could James possibly be more valuable than Love?

Are you serious? Really?

Love had a great season, but Lebron still did more for his team than Love. Again, Lebron pretty much does everything for the Heat. The Heat would have a tremendous dropoff without Lebron. He did more for his team than anyone else in the regular season. Paul and Durant were up there as well. Parker had a great season, but the Spurs were balanced team across the board.

[NewcastleKEG]

He's a top 5 offensive and defensive player by nearly any metric you could use to measure it. There are no other players in the NBA you could say that about.



LeBron was 2nd in the league in 4th quarter PER this season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post/_/id/13850/lebron-continues-fourth-quarter-dominance
So Paul should have won. Add yet another player more VALUABLE

[NewcastleKEG]

Are you serious? Really?

Love had a great season, but Lebron still did more for his team than Love. Again, Lebron pretty much does everything for the Heat. The Heat would have a tremendous dropoff without Lebron. He did more for his team than anyone else in the regular season. Paul and Durant were up there as well. Parker had a great season, but the Spurs were balanced team across the board.
Love, WITHOUT question is more valuable than James. This is not even debatable

But because Love is white & plays in Minnesota, he isn't the sexy pick

[NewcastleKEG]

The Heat would make the playoffs & maybe even win a 1st Round matchup without James

[pass1st]

At least the MVP this year isn't a joke like last year. Rose is easily the most overrated MVP since Nash won his second.

[rayjayjohnson]

They need to rename the award to Best Player Award then.

How could James possibly be more valuable than Love?

by that logic rubio is more valuable than love considering the drop they took when kobe so callously ended his season.

your argument is invalid

[NewcastleKEG]

Heat are a 2nd Round team without James


There is my arguement

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

tony parker got robbed right spur fan?

[baseline bum]

It's good to see them giving the award to the right player again.

[pass1st]

2nd round in the west, maybe:lol

[NewcastleKEG]

At least the MVP this year isn't a joke like last year. Rose is easily the most overrated MVP since Nash won his second.
In fact, in terms of total production, Rose is having arguably the best all around season by a point guard in NBA (http://bleacherreport.com/nba) history.

+21 wins turnaround


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/654658-derrick-rose-the-surprisingly-historic-numbers-of-his-mvp-seeason

Sorry kiddo

[Cry Havoc]

So Paul should have won. Add yet another player more VALUABLE

So.... despite the fact that LeBron's PER is 3 points higher than Paul's overall, on the basis of a single quarter you are willing to say Paul is the MVP? Paul's 2nd highest PER rating is lower than LeBron's worst.

[NewcastleKEG]

So.... despite the fact that LeBron's PER is 3 points higher than Paul's overall, on the basis of a single quarter you are willing to say Paul is the MVP? Paul's 2nd highest PER rating is lower than LeBron's worst.
Games are won in the 4th
Players are paid based on the 4th
Starting doesn't matter (Manu/Harden)

[Pelicans78]

Love, WITHOUT question is more valuable than James. This is not even debatable

But because Love is white & plays in Minnesota, he isn't the sexy pick

How is Love for more valuable? How good was his team this season? Even with Love they were a .500 team at best. Like Rayjay said, the team fell off once Rubio got hurt. Is he more valuable than Love?

Lebron did more for the Heat this season than Love did for the T-Wolves. You can cry all you want, but that's just the fact.

Again, this is a regular season award where quarters 1-4 count and Lebron was the most valuable in those regular season quarters. That's all this award is. Its not as difficult as you make everything to be.

[Cry Havoc]

Games are won in the 4th
Players are paid based on the 4th
Starting doesn't matter (Manu/Harden)

:lol Someone tell the Lakers they are moving on to the 2nd round after winning the 4th quarter 28-23 last night. That 13-0 run by the Nuggets to start the game had nothing to do with the result. :rolleyes

[Pelicans78]

In fact, in terms of total production, Rose is having arguably the best all around season by a point guard in NBA (http://bleacherreport.com/nba) history.

+21 wins turnaround


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/654658-derrick-rose-the-surprisingly-historic-numbers-of-his-mvp-seeason

Sorry kiddo

Chris Paul took a 18-64 team to a 38 win team in his rookie season. That's a 20 win difference.

Paul's 2007-2008 season was much better than Rose's season. The Bulls showed how deep they were this year with Rose missing a ton of games. The Hornets wouldn't have had that much success with Paul out. They didn't have the same kind of depth these Bulls have.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

tony parker cuts up defenses . uncalled for that the nba did this shit!!!!!!!!!

[NewcastleKEG]

This is why the NBA is a running joke in the sports community

More rewarding flash & lack of substance. More awards for the player too spineless to take a shot in the 4th Quarter. More padding on the back to the 2-time MVP who joined his big brother for a title

IF James fails to win a title this year, the backlash should be twice as large as last year

[Pelicans78]

Games are won in the 4th
Players are paid based on the 4th
Starting doesn't matter (Manu/Harden)

Games are won throughout 48 minutes.

Players are paid to play the whole game, not just for the first quarter.

[Pelicans78]

This is why the NBA is a running joke in the sports community

More rewarding flash & lack of substance. More awards for the player too spineless to take a shot in the 4th Quarter. More padding on the back to the 2-time MVP who joined his big brother for a title

IF James fails to win a title this year, the backlash should be twice as large as last year

I feel your pain. This has been an awful year for you so far.

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

lefraud and acné durant have NO place NONE winning mvp over tony f'n parker!!!! MOTHERFUCKIN' SONS OF BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NewcastleKEG]

I feel your pain. This has been an awful year for you so far.
I'm an athletic anglo-saxon. Life is perfect

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

David Stern you crooked motherfucker

[rayjayjohnson]

lefraud and acné durant have NO place NONE winning mvp over tony f'n parker!!!! MOTHERFUCKIN' SONS OF BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

How can you do this to spur fan David??? Answer me you smug son of a bitch!!!

[rayjayjohnson]

Heat are a 2nd Round team without James


There is my arguement

and they are championship calibre with him.

The season before he went their, wade couldn't get them past round 1. 1st season, finals. this year, probably finals again.

[Pelicans78]

I'm an athletic anglo-saxon. Life is perfect

Honestly, being a pasty anglo-saxon isn't that cool anymore. People have learned that the majority of anglo-saxons don't wash their hands after they use the restroom.

[NewcastleKEG]

and they are championship calibre with him.

The season before he went their, wade couldn't get them past round 1. 1st season, finals. this year, probably finals again.
Heat would get to the Finals this year without James. . . .

[pass1st]

In fact, in terms of total production, Rose is having arguably the best all around season by a point guard in NBA (http://bleacherreport.com/nba) history.

+21 wins turnaround


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/654658-derrick-rose-the-surprisingly-historic-numbers-of-his-mvp-seeason

Sorry kiddo

Bulls were good that year because of defense, Rose can't play a lick of D. He is very one-dimensional (cannot shoot well) and a severe liability if the team depends on him for offense as seen by last year's ECF.

He's a joke of an MVP, Bulls got where they are because of defense first so he's not the most valuable part of the equation. I'd say Dwight Howard was more deserving because not only was he the best defensive player in the league, but he literally shouldered them the entire season and could not be answered for most of the time.

Rose is just an overrated gangbanger.

[TIMMYtoZO]

:lmao NewcastleKEG is asshurt. Keep on expressing yourself. I really want to hear your thoughts in June when Miami wins the championship.

[NewcastleKEG]

Honestly, being a pasty anglo-saxon isn't that cool anymore. People have learned that the majority of anglo-saxons don't wash their hands after they use the restroom.
I live in California. I'm white & tan = unstoppable. Because light features look better with tan skin

Brown eyes are for the savages

[Pelicans78]

Bulls were good that year because of defense, Rose can't play a lick of D. He is very one-dimensional (cannot shoot well) and a severe liability if the team depends on him for offense as seen by last year's ECF.

He's a joke of an MVP, Bulls got where they are because of defense first so he's not the most valuable part of the equation. I'd say Dwight Howard was more deserving because not only was he the best defensive player in the league, but he literally shouldered them the entire season and could not be answered for most of the time.

Rose is just an overrated gangbanger.

This post is spot on.

[NewcastleKEG]

Bulls were good that year because of defense, Rose can't play a lick of D. He is very one-dimensional (cannot shoot well) and a severe liability if the team depends on him for offense as seen by last year's ECF.

He's a joke of an MVP, Bulls got where they are because of defense first so he's not the most valuable part of the equation. I'd say Dwight Howard was more deserving because not only was he the best defensive player in the league, but he literally shouldered them the entire season and could not be answered for most of the time.

Rose is just an overrated gangbanger.
Just like Mello right?

[TIMMYtoZO]

While this is a nice award for Lebron, him winning the 2012 Finals MVP will be the sweetest award.

[mercos]

Lebron is the best player in the NBA, but he did not deserve the MVP award. Take him away from the Heat and they are still a playoff team. On the flipside, he was not able to secure the top seed even though the top team was without their best player (and reigning MVP) for a ton of games.

Chris Paul was more deserving, as he was FAR more valuable this year. He took a perennial loser in the Clippers and turned them into a playoff team that threatened to win their division (over the Lakers no less) until the end of the season.

[tesseractive]

Games are won in the 4th
Players are paid based on the 4th
Starting doesn't matter (Manu/Harden)

Meh -- Shaq was never the guy who won games in the 4th, but he definitely had MVP-level seasons.

Parker and Rose were the best players on the best teams, but Rose was injured too much, and Tony didn't necessarily do enough this year to be a clear standout. KD was the best player on a team that had no excuse for not having the best record, and his statistical season was significantly behind LeBron's.

That basically leaves Chris Paul, who took a crappy team and elevated it enough to win home court advantage, and LeBron, who had an utterly dominating statistical season for one of the top teams. If the Clippers had won a few more games and been a true elite team, Paul might have won it, but LeBron is a completely defensible choice the way things shook out.

But really, it's just regular season hardware. LeBron deserves it, but he doesn't have to prove to anyone that he can dominate in the regular season anyway, because everyone's seen it. He's still got to prove he can win the trophy that really matters to silence any doubters.

[NewcastleKEG]

:lmao NewcastleKEG is asshurt. Keep on expressing yourself. I really want to hear your thoughts in June when Miami wins the championship.
Like last year?

[tesseractive]

While this is a nice award for Lebron, him winning the 2012 Finals MVP will be the sweetest award.

Believe it when I see it.

[NewcastleKEG]

Lebron is the best player in the NBA, but he did not deserve the MVP award. Take him away from the Heat and they are still a playoff team. On the flipside, he was not able to secure the top seed even though the top team was without their best player (and reigning MVP) for a ton of games.

Chris Paul was more deserving, as he was FAR more valuable this year. He took a perennial loser in the Clippers and turned them into a playoff team that threatened to win their division (over the Lakers no less) until the end of the season.
Yeah but James does that whole chalk thing & jumps high

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

While this is a nice award for Lebron, him winning the 2012 Finals MVP will be the sweetest award.

no chance lil niglet.... u know T.Parker (who should of won mvp) will cross that nigga up with that killer crossover (tim hardaway esque) and lock lechoke up on D.

[Pelicans78]

Lebron is the best player in the NBA, but he did not deserve the MVP award. Take him away from the Heat and they are still a playoff team. On the flipside, he was not able to secure the top seed even though the top team was without their best player (and reigning MVP) for a ton of games.

Chris Paul was more deserving, as he was FAR more valuable this year. He took a perennial loser in the Clippers and turned them into a playoff team that threatened to win their division (over the Lakers no less) until the end of the season.

With Wade missing 17 games, how good would the Heat be without Lebron?

[#41 Shoot Em Up]

Amazing.... Lechoke can win the MVP 3 out of 4 f'n years and T.Parker who is superior in talent can't win ONE... ONE in his 10 years of domination. Fuck you Stern!!!!

[tesseractive]

Amazing.... Lechoke can win the MVP 3 out of 4 f'n years and T.Parker who is superior in talent can't win ONE... ONE in his 10 years of domination. Fuck you Stern!!!!

Still has one more Finals MVP than LeBron. :lmao

[Ace]

:lol Newcastle mad
:lol 1st seed
:lol Point Guard Position
:lol meaning less award

[rayjayjohnson]

Heat would get to the Finals this year without James. . . .

I don't think they would, especially if Rose is healthy, and this voting happened before he went down.

[NewcastleKEG]

:lol Newcastle mad
:lol 1st seed
:lol Point Guard Position
:lol meaning less award
Not bad. Simply laughing at the joke that is monkeyball association

[O.J. Simpson]

Not bad. Simply laughing at the joke that is monkeyball association

Your penis envy is still too much. You have to just work with what you have, an inchworm.

[NewcastleKEG]

Your penis envy is still too much. You have to just work with what you have, an inchworm.
Why don't you go find yourself some purple pussy

[O.J. Simpson]

Why don't you go find yourself some purple pussy

Nuh uh, you know what kind of pussy I like. I'm sure your sister appreciates some BBC.

[mercos]

With Wade missing 17 games, how good would the Heat be without Lebron?

In the Eastern Conference, they would still make the playoffs rather easily. Wade and Bosh would make for a good duo. I think they would end up in the 4-6 range in the standings. Take away Lebron and they are still clearly better than the Knicks or 76ers. They would probably have finished ahead of Orlando as they were free falling towards the end of the season.

Compare that resume to Chris Paul, who played on a team that definitely would not have made the playoffs without him. He also plays with one less superstar. His turnaround of the Clippers reminded me of what Nash did when he arrived in Phoenix. Nash was awarded the MVP (twice) over players who were far superior to him in their overall games (Just as James is with Paul). He won it because he was more valuable to his team. CP3 should have been given the same consideration.

[NewcastleKEG]

Nuh uh, you know what kind of pussy I like. I'm sure your sister appreciates some BBC.
The weak have to be abstracted. In example Nicole Smith

[Ace]

Not bad. Simply laughing at the joke that is monkeyball association
Why so mad?

[Killakobe81]

Lebron is the best player in the NBA, but he did not deserve the MVP award. Take him away from the Heat and they are still a playoff team. On the flipside, he was not able to secure the top seed even though the top team was without their best player (and reigning MVP) for a ton of games.

Chris Paul was more deserving, as he was FAR more valuable this year. He took a perennial loser in the Clippers and turned them into a playoff team that threatened to win their division (over the Lakers no less) until the end of the season.

You make some great points but no star of 5th seed in 30 years has been named Mvp

Glad to see games best player win it for a change

[Stalin]

At least the MVP this year isn't a joke like last year. Rose is easily the most overrated MVP since Nash won his second.


Co sign

[NewcastleKEG]

You make some great points but no star of 5th seed in 30 years has been named Mvp

Glad to see games best player win it for a change
Which again, has NOTHING to do with the MVP award

[Josepatches_]

Heat without LeBron < OKC without Durant.

Wade missed 17 games and when he played he was at least one step behind from the Wade we know. He never was at 100%.

[BRHornet45]

yawn

sons its just like how the NBA keeps putting the title on this dude ...

http://www.pro-wrestling-america.com/images/john-cena-wwe-belt.jpg

not the most deserving of the award, but the one who sells the most tickets

[Russo21]

Hmm he doesn't deserve to have 3 MVP awards already. The Thunder had a better record and Durant had just as good a year. He had an all NBA year for sure, but i dont see what made LeBron the MVP. Heck, Chicago, Oklahoma and San Antonio all had better records then Miami. What seperated LeBron from Durant hmm. Dubious decision.

[tesseractive]

What seperated LeBron from Durant hmm.

The fact that LeBron had way better numbers and OKC did a terrible job of closing out the season.

[Spurtacus]

Should rename the award to Most Outstanding Player if you aren't going to properly award the most valuable player to his team.

[Russo21]

The fact that LeBron had way better numbers and OKC did a terrible job of closing out the season.

Numbers aren't everything...

[tesseractive]

Numbers aren't everything...

No, they're not. But it's not like Durant is carrying his team solo and they'd be deep in the lottery without him, nor did OKC do significantly better than Miami.

MVP has always been this weird mix of "best player on a top team" "best stats" and "how hosed would the team be without him?". OKC and Miami were kind of a wash on everything but stats, so the guy with the stats won.

If I had an MVP vote, it would have gone to CP3 based on what he did for that Clipper team, but I don't think ranking him second or third is a complete travesty.

[pass1st]

Just like Mello right?

Mello isn't one dimensional, he's just garbage.

[mercos]

Should rename the award to Most Outstanding Player if you aren't going to properly award the most valuable player to his team.


Agree with this 100%. An alternative could be switching it to have an Offensive Player of the Year similar to how the NFL does.

[HarlemHeat37]

RAPM is the most accurate stat in measuring value and impact for a team, tbh..

Lebron's RAPM was +3.4..only 3 other starters with similar usage rates had a higher number(Tony Parker, Dirk Nowitzki and Blake Griffin)..

Nowitzki had a relatively mediocre first half of the season and his team was the 7th seed, so he didn't have a realistic shot..

Griffin can't create his own offense on a consistent basis and was the 2nd best player for the 5th seed..

Parker didn't have the hype to have a shot at the award(Pop and the Spurs depth received just as much credit)..

Realistically, the only other option is Chris Paul..his RAPM was +3.1, he led the Clippers to a top 5 seed, and his stats were great, across the board..the flaw with choosing Paul is that the Clippers were the 5th seed(a team outside of the top 4 rarely has an MVP award winner) and blew a chance at HCA, down the stretch..

Durant's RAPM was behind Harden and Westbrook, his team struggled down the stretch, and he doesn't play defense..they also didn't suffer any key injuries, IIRC..


Lebron was easily the correct choice..he was statistically the most valuable player on his team, he was the best offensive AND defensive player on his team..the Heat's bench is mediocre, and they don't have a coach..Wade missed a key number of games..it's an easy choice..

[Venti Quattro]

Not 4, not 5, not 6...MVP trophies :lol

Also, why didn't Tony Parker win the MVP?

[Latarian Milton]

we only paying him like 16m a year now and although im not sure if he's the MOST valuable, he's better worth the money he earns then TOSB kobe at this point of time tbh. laker fans how's the 25m annual investment in kobe paying off for your team now?

[Stalin]

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/706/lebrontongue.gif (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/26/lebrontongue.gif/)

[resistanze]

Only ringless 3-time MVP, tbh

[Jt.ONE]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/179919_440401575988372_367810133247517_1528935_127 9093673_n.jpg