Stern is watching you...

[timtonymanurich]

http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/7926130/2012-nba-playoffs-commissioner-david-stern-says-thinks-flopping-legitimate-concern

The Heat and Clippers are in trouble...


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[DesignatedT]

good

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Anyone who watches knows the Spurs haven't flopped in years.

[ALVAREZ6]

What really pisses me off is calling off-the-ball charges/flops. Watching the Lakers-Nuggets game last night, I saw such a pathetic charge called on a Nugget player (I believe) who was jogging back to the offensive half court and was slowing down and about to turn and set up his position and the Laker flopped. I believe it was Al Harrington running into Steve Blake. It looked so weak and that shit should not be called when the ball is not involved. One of the commentators also stated his belief that those calls are bullshit, calling charges on players without the ball. If you fall/flop because an opposing player slightly bumped into you while jogging down and turning to set up his offensive position, you belong on the ground, and it isn't a foul. You're just a big pussy.

[foodie2]

Does anyone have that iconic Chris Paul barrel roll flop on video? I know I've seen it posted before but I can't find it ATM. I want to get prepared.

:rolleyes

[siraulo23]

ginobili...?

[VBM]

ginobili...?

Hasn't been on the court long enough the past couple of years for his flopping to be a concern

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What really pisses me off is calling off-the-ball charges/flops. Watching the Lakers-Nuggets game last night, I saw such a pathetic charge called on a Nugget player (I believe) who was jogging back to the offensive half court and was slowing down and about to turn and set up his position and the Laker flopped. I believe it was Al Harrington running into Steve Blake. It looked so weak and that shit should not be called when the ball is not involved. One of the commentators also stated his belief that those calls are bullshit, calling charges on players without the ball. If you fall/flop because an opposing player slightly bumped into you while jogging down and turning to set up his offensive position, you belong on the ground, and it isn't a foul. You're just a big pussy.

That's not as bad as calling guys for charges when they step under someone in the air. That was supposed to be a point of emphasis this season and they seem to be calling more charges than ever. A charge used to be a really rare thing. David Robinson would draw them because he had such quick feet and people couldn't believe he'd done it.

[timvp]

Nazi Stern? Does not compute, tbh.

[ALVAREZ6]

That's not as bad as calling guys for charges when they step under someone in the air. That was supposed to be a point of emphasis this season and they seem to be calling more charges than ever. A charge used to be a really rare thing. David Robinson would draw them because he had such quick feet and people couldn't believe he'd done it.

Well both are stupid parts of the game. I even think calling shooting fouls when jump shooters pump fake, get a defender in the air, and then jump into them and shoot and it's 2 FTs for the shooter is a stupid part of the game. Often times the defender jumps straight or jumps in such a way that he would not draw contact on the jump shooter had the jump shooter left his feet and shot, and the shooter actually becomes the one jumping into the direction of the airborne defender and thus is the one creating the dangerous/harmful play.

It just makes no sense the way in which the evolution of certain fouls has unfolded. A shooting foul is supposed to award a player for being hit by a defender and prevent extremely high amounts of contact in the air while shooting throughout the game, thus the 6 foul limit. They don't want you being able to hack people 20 times or unlimited times per game.

Back to the subject of charges and flopping, initially the charge foul is designed to prevent players from dangerously and recklessly charging into a well-positioned defender. This makes sense, as many NBA players are 250-300 lb beasts who can generate a lot of momentum and when one is driving hard to the hoop they can seriously fuck up another players with knees, shoulders, etc. It's a contact sport, but it's not football or rugby. The point is to beat your defender by shooting over or getting around him, not running him over like a fullback.

Now, it has become a game that pretty much promotes defenders to put themselves in unnecessarily dangerous/harmful positions in order to draw a foul and it seems counter-intuitive to the purpose for having fouls in the first place. Trying to draw a charge, especially on players who don't even have the ball and are 40 feet away from it, is absurd to me. If a player without the ball is coming your way, either brace yourself to observe a small amount of contact, or move. By giving so many charges in many unnecessary situations, it promotes this kind of bullshit and it fucks up the game imo. All debatable calls that can go either way/hard to decide in the moment, for example if a 160 lb pg without the ball creates a small amount of contact on a 265 lb forward, should almost automatically be ignored. The way the fouls are given now, they promote bullshit.

[Dr. John R. Brinkley]

Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, but at least it was an ethos. This flopping is nihilism.

[pgardn]

Nazi Stern? Does not compute, tbh.

Genocidal tendencies towards floppers.

They control the media through acting. And the banks.






So its a stretch...

[pgardn]

Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism, but at least it was an ethos. This flopping is nihilism.

Best Movie EVER.

[ALVAREZ6]

The whole acting and flopping thing in basketball reminds me of the same situation in soccer, my other favorite sport. Over the years diving has become so rampant that it is simply accepted as a part of the game. Everyone does it because, well...everyone else does it. It's so frequent and is so unattractive to watch what is otherwise an awesome game. Many Americans hate soccer largely because of the pussified diving, and some also can't understand certain fouls in basketball. I hate seeing unnecessary interruptions during an intense, exciting game.

[pgardn]

The whole acting and flopping thing in basketball reminds me of the same situation in soccer, my other favorite sport. Over the years diving has become so rampant that it is simply accepted as a part of the game. Everyone does it because, well...everyone else does it. It's so frequent and is so unattractive to watch what is otherwise an awesome game. Many Americans hate soccer largely because of the pussified diving, and some also can't understand certain fouls in basketball. I hate seeing unnecessary interruptions during an intense, exciting game.

I wish they would card it more often.

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Back to the subject of charges and flopping, initially the charge foul is designed to prevent players from dangerously and recklessly charging into a well-positioned defender. This makes sense, as many NBA players are 250-300 lb beasts who can generate a lot of momentum and when one is driving hard to the hoop they can seriously fuck up another players with knees, shoulders, etc. It's a contact sport, but it's not football or rugby. The point is to beat your defender by shooting over or getting around him, not running him over like a fullback.

Now, it has become a game that pretty much promotes defenders to put themselves in unnecessarily dangerous/harmful positions in order to draw a foul and it seems counter-intuitive to the purpose for having fouls in the first place. Trying to draw a charge, especially on players who don't even have the ball and are 40 feet away from it, is absurd to me. If a player without the ball is coming your way, either brace yourself to observe a small amount of contact, or move. By giving so many charges in many unnecessary situations, it promotes this kind of bullshit and it fucks up the game imo. All debatable calls that can go either way/hard to decide in the moment, for example if a 160 lb pg without the ball creates a small amount of contact on a 265 lb forward, should almost automatically be ignored. The way the fouls are given now, they promote bullshit.

I agree. When you award charges to guys who put themselves in front of a moving player like that, you encourage them to continue to do it. Compound that with the potential humiliation of being dunked on and defense rendered helpless by the rules and you get even more guys doing it.

If you ask Charles Barkley how to get around that, his answer is the same as mine: "Hit the guy so hard that he doesn't think it's worth the ball out of bounds to draw one of my charges." That's the way it evolves, and the NBA's going to lose a good player because a scrub steps in front of him and causes a collision that shouldn't happen.

The NBA should change the rules to state that unless it's absolutely positively a charge, the doubt always goes to the offense. Guys start getting knocked on their ass and get whistled for it, we'd all be surprised how quickly guys start trying to block shots again.

Also, the NBA should change the rule to say that the 24 second clock starts when the ball hits the floor. Chris Paul letting the ball roll for ten seconds is retarded.

[ALVAREZ6]

If you ask Charles Barkley how to get around that, his answer is the same as mine: "Hit the guy so hard that he doesn't think it's worth the ball out of bounds to draw one of my charges." That's the way it evolves, and the NBA's going to lose a good player because a scrub steps in front of him and causes a collision that shouldn't happen.

The NBA should change the rules to state that unless it's absolutely positively a charge, the doubt always goes to the offense. Guys start getting knocked on their ass and get whistled for it, we'd all be surprised how quickly guys start trying to block shots again.

:tu I 100% agree.

And I think the "get your defender in the air and jump into him" shooting foul I previously described should also be eliminated. If you pump fake and manage to trick the defender, which is the purpose of a pump fake (not drawing fouls), then proceed by using it to your advantage and get a better shot. If you're on the perimeter and this happens, while your defender is in the air either wait until he's out of the way and shoot (if you're a good perimeter shooter), or quickly pass it to a teammate and receive an immediate return pass and find your way to the hoop or draw the attention of other defenders and create for a teammate. If you're in the paint near the basket and you get the defender in the air, then either pivot and put the ball in or wait until he is about to be back on the ground again and take off for an uncontested close range shot.

If you pump fake and trick the defender into the air, you likely have already gained an offensive advantage. I don't see the need to award another by charging a foul, especially considering it is more harmful to jump into the airborne defender.

[MannyIsGod]

That's not as bad as calling guys for charges when they step under someone in the air. That was supposed to be a point of emphasis this season and they seem to be calling more charges than ever. A charge used to be a really rare thing. David Robinson would draw them because he had such quick feet and people couldn't believe he'd done it.

Most annoying shit about college basketball is that call is actually correct. Drove me fucking NUTS watching that this past season. In the NBA, its NOT the correct call and I can't stand it.