Florida State to the Big XII?

[Blake]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-14/barron-email-fsu-acc-big-12/54961026/1

Probably not, but it sounds like a lot of Seminoles are begging for it to happen.

[IWantsACuatro]

:lol aggie

[IWantsACuatro]

BTW, this would be HUGE for the Big XII. Florida State draws a big network.

[yavozerb]

Not sure what to make of this. I do agree that this is very similar in the way the rumors started as compared to mizzou when they left the big 12. Well have to wait and see on this one, but I for one would like to see FSU in the big 12..

[Sisk]

They're complaining about the NC schools having too much power. They should get on the phone and ask why A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska all left.

[Sisk]

:lol aggie

Can't get us off your mind?

[ChumpDumper]

They're complaining about the NC schools having too much power. They should get on the phone and ask why A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska all left.Can't get UT off your mind?

[yavozerb]

This subject is funny cause aggies all over are posting on different blogs about the big 12 and primarily UT of course. Just cant seem to move on i guess....

[Vito Corleone]

Colorado left because they fit in better with West coast than they ever did with the Big 8/12

Nebraska and aggy left because they can't stand losing to Texas, and they both always lost to Texas.

Missouri left because they are little bitches and that that is what little bitches do.

[chubbs]

A&M left because they love losing and will lose even more in the SEC

fucking dumbasseshttp://www.htmlgoodies.com/images/1x1.gif (http://www.vintagevideogamer.net/)

[Blake]

They're complaining about the NC schools having too much power. They should get on the phone and ask why A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska all left.

Why did those schools leave again?

[MajorMike]

The deal is done.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.

No drama at Clemson. Clemson's football staff have been notified of an impending move and they're fine with it. What many of you don't know is Clemson AD Terry Don Phillips was the Oklahoma State AD just before Mike Holder took over; it was Phillips who gave Les Miles his first head coaching job.

If you want drama look to Tallahassee.

FSU's Board of Trustees have butted heads with the president and made their desire to exit the ACC known.

Make no mistake, Florida State wants to move, but President Eric Barron has found it very difficult to pull the trigger.

He likes the ACC, he really does. He likes being in the same conference as North Carolina and Duke (for academic reasons). He is concerned how FSU's faculty would react to move and wants them to understand that academics are a priority at FSU.

What he doesn't like is the pitiful TV contract the ACC managed to beg from ESPN.

Both Eric Barron and the Board of Trustees understand that the ACC, going forward, puts FSU at a distinct competitive advantage.

If you don't believe that consider that FSU will be playing for one of four playoff spots.

FSU, and schools throughout the nation, must decide if they want to contend for one of those four playoff spots and be willing to spend the money necessary to compete.

Florida State has resources and a giant athletic department budget, but so do Alabama, LSU, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma and the ramifications for FSU's continued membership in the ACC are profound.

Their peers will be receiving significantly more in television revenues each and every year. And that's why the Board of Trustees at FSU will force Barron's hand and FSU will join Clemson as new members of the Big 12.

The deal is done.

Some notes:
The Big 12 contract maybe as much as $25 million per school and fully vested by year 3.
The Contract has an automatic clause triggering renegotiation with the addition of a 13th member.
ESPN and Fox have the advised Big 12 on who to add and further expansion depends on value and who's available.
If the right "value-added" teams are not available the Big 12 will not expand.
Miami has said no. Their president plans to reduce the investment in football and worries about NCAA violations.
Georgia Tech is now a serious candidate for 13 and talks are progressing.
Louisville and Cincinnati are no longer under consideration.
There is a deal in place and a standing offer for Notre Dame, however Notre Dame wants to come in all sports but football. For the B12, this is not an option.

[DesignatedT]

A&M hasn't played an SEC game yet. Hard to move on when we are still playing big12 teams in all sports. Once next season begins A&M fans will realize what we have in front of us and the big 12 and whoever they get will be an afterthought.

[Blake]

The deal is done.

The decision has been made and they're Big 12 bound.



Link?

[leemajors]

Link?

it's making its way across forums, I am guessing a blog post.

[DesignatedT]

This is the last I saw from yesterday:


I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics. Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:
In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:
1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni view us as more football oriented than the ACC.
2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools.
3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU.
4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be competitive.
But, in contrast:
1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share conference and this applies to football and to basketball there is no preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.
2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin -- I watched the Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it would be interesting to see the fan reaction.
3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to most games the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other new team to the Big 12.
4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.
5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our stadium.
6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC we have no idea where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters which currently are unable to support our current University athletic budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.
7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is academically weaker and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2% ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M) gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms of its successful future.
I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation be governed by emotion ¬ it has to be based on a careful assessment of athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must be a reasoned decision.
Eric Barron
President


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/05/14/florida-state-realignment/index.html#ixzz1uy7DqxyB

I agree this would be a great pickup by the Big12 if it happens.

[Blake]

A&M hasn't played an SEC game yet. Hard to move on when we are still playing big12 teams in all sports. Once next season begins A&M fans will realize what we have in front of us and the big 12 and whoever they get will be an afterthought.

why is aggy the last to know what will be in front of him in the SEC

[Blake]

This is the last I saw from yesterday:



I agree this would be a great pickup by the Big12 if it happens.

That's the same letter from the op link

[Blake]

it's making its way across forums, I am guessing a blog post.

This is making it's way around sports sites:


Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds told Kirk Bohls of the Austin American-Statesman that the Seminoles are "a long ways away” in both their distance and prospects of leaving the ACC and joining the Big 12.

Dodds maintains that there is currently "no traction" to an FSU move and that there have been "no conversations between Florida State and the Big 12.”

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dodds-no-conversations-between-florida-110609801--nfl.html

[ChumpDumper]

I think eventually UT is going to have to make some pretty sizable concessions to get many more quality members in the Big (insert integer here), like making the Longhorn Network much more of a conference network.

The only rub there is UT doesn't have to bring in many more quality members.

[MajorMike]

Why they left?

Why did Nebraska leave? Tom Osborne thinks way more of his athletics program that the rest of the nation does and was pissed off that UT got not only more money, but more attention. The TV rights were broken up originally into the person on TV the most, and when it became evident that more people wanted to watch UT during those years on TV than wanted to watch boring grind it out Nebraska, he pitched a bitch. He disguised it under the supposed 'we need a smarter conference' when Nebraska ranked just above average in the B12 and now is undeniably last in the B10. Why they left? Osborne refused to play second fiddle to UT; now he gets to do it with Ohio/Mich/Penn. Heck even Wisc. How's that working out for you Dr. Tom?

Why did Colorado leave? Colorado left because for YEARS there has been speculation they were a better fit in the P10 than the B8/12. At the very least, the P10 had people in their time zone. When everyone was already reporting that Mizzou was gone to the B10 and Nebraska suddenly went before Mizzou did, CU heard from Dodds and Boren about moving to the P10, which was the original plan. CU wanted to be proactive and make a move that many thought they should have years ago and go before anyone else did. In hindsight, they may have very well not moved if they knew only Nebraska would jump ship in the beginning and everyone else would stay put. Why did CU leave? They jumped the gun.

Why did atm leave? They were tired of being second fiddle to UT. They got less exposure, less money, less attention and less wins than UT did and they didn't like it. atm has one of the most over inflated self-opinions that you will ever see anywhere on the planet and they weren't about to play second fiddle to a team in their own state. Additionally, their AD was so far in debt (15-25 MIL by most estimates) and they were about to come due on a huge loan they couldn't possibly pay off, and the UT goes and brokers a deal for CU and Neb to pay way less and the money would not go to individual schools like had been first proposed. atm was so super pissed UT did that without their 'permission' and had no way to pay off their debt, so they turned to the SEC. SEC was more than ecstatic to get a foothold into Texas recruiting so they quickly pulled the trigger, agreeing to pay off atm's AD loan and their exit fee with their huge coffers. atm got out of UT's shadow and got their debt paid off. Now they just have to worry about fighting Mississippi State and Ole Miss for 4th in their division. Why did atm leave? Penis Envy and empty pockets.

Why did Mizzou leave? Mizzou has been on the lookout for a better deal for years. They prostituted themselves to the B10 over and over and the B10 chose Nebraska, instead. Mizzou has long been bitching about the fact they get picked last every year in Bowl destinations, still complains daily how they beat KU and yet KU still got the Orange Bowl, and is in general just a whiney kid on the playground that thinks everyone needs to cater to him and is constantly on the lookout for a better deal. Now they just have to worry about fighting Vanderbilt and Kentucky for last in their division. Why did Mizzou leave? They wanted to be a whipping boy for LSU and Bama instead of UT and uo.

[Vito Corleone]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
game set match

that should be required reading in schools

[Blake]

AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. –The Florida State-Big 12 saga took another interesting twist Wednesday.

Former Seminoles football star and former university Board of Trustees member Derrick Brooks said on national radio that the Big 12 Conference reached out to FSU,not the other way around.

Brooks was speaking on the Tim Brando show when he made the comments.

"From my understanding, it is the Big 12, you know, wanting to talk to us," Brooks said. "Again, that's from my understanding. That appears to be the case."

......more

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/story/2012-05-16/florida-state-acc-big-12/55029626/1

[ChumpDumper]

:lol There is always so much bullshit floated until something actually happens.

[Blake]

:lol There is always so much bullshit floated until something actually happens.

it's fun to guess what shit will stick.

I think this particular instance is just more wishful thinking by Seminole fan that wants out of the ACC.

[ChumpDumper]

On the surface it makes some sense -- there's money and FSU is much more of a football school and would fit the Big [?] decently in that respect. Howevah, if the ACC ends up being one of the conferences that contributes teams to a future playoff scheme, wouldn't that be an easier route for FSU and Clemson than getting in an annual competition with UT, OU, OSU and WV?

Or will a playoff scheme work differently, where strength of schedule is a main determinant? In that case, there's an advantage in moving.

[yavozerb]

On the surface it makes some sense -- there's money and FSU is much more of a football school and would fit the Big [?] decently in that respect. Howevah, if the ACC ends up being one of the conferences that contributes teams to a future playoff scheme, wouldn't that be an easier route for FSU and Clemson than getting in an annual competition with UT, OU, OSU and WV?

Or will a playoff scheme work differently, where strength of schedule is a main determinant? In that case, there's an advantage in moving.

What your saying makes sense if your alabama, lsu, oklahoma's of the world who seem to always finish near the top 4. But I cannot tell you the last time FSU even finished that high. So in my opinion would you rather finish high in ACC and still finish top 25 but out of the top 4 slots with less $ or finish in the top 25 in the middle of the big 12 with more $$ in your pockets?

[Blake]

On the surface it makes some sense -- there's money and FSU is much more of a football school and would fit the Big [?] decently in that respect. Howevah, if the ACC ends up being one of the conferences that contributes teams to a future playoff scheme, wouldn't that be an easier route for FSU and Clemson than getting in an annual competition with UT, OU, OSU and WV?

Or will a playoff scheme work differently, where strength of schedule is a main determinant? In that case, there's an advantage in moving.

If the ACC can get a guarantee that they will be AQ/playoff then if you want to give yourself the best chance to win a title, I agree, it makes little sense to move.... a la aggy.

if the Big [] offered a whole lot more money, then it would seem a no brainer to move to that conference.

Right now, the reported $3 extra million they would probably get from the Big [] over the ACC doesn't seem to be enough, imo, to warrant a move.

[The Reckoning]

ayy MajorMike is back? were you deployed or something?

[Blake]

ayy MajorMike is back? were you deployed or something?

Afghanistan?

[MajorMike]

Aye, was in the Afghaninam.

[the chronic]

Why they left?

Why did Nebraska leave? Tom Osborne thinks way more of his athletics program that the rest of the nation does and was pissed off that UT got not only more money, but more attention. The TV rights were broken up originally into the person on TV the most, and when it became evident that more people wanted to watch UT during those years on TV than wanted to watch boring grind it out Nebraska, he pitched a bitch. He disguised it under the supposed 'we need a smarter conference' when Nebraska ranked just above average in the B12 and now is undeniably last in the B10. Why they left? Osborne refused to play second fiddle to UT; now he gets to do it with Ohio/Mich/Penn. Heck even Wisc. How's that working out for you Dr. Tom?

Why did Colorado leave? Colorado left because for YEARS there has been speculation they were a better fit in the P10 than the B8/12. At the very least, the P10 had people in their time zone. When everyone was already reporting that Mizzou was gone to the B10 and Nebraska suddenly went before Mizzou did, CU heard from Dodds and Boren about moving to the P10, which was the original plan. CU wanted to be proactive and make a move that many thought they should have years ago and go before anyone else did. In hindsight, they may have very well not moved if they knew only Nebraska would jump ship in the beginning and everyone else would stay put. Why did CU leave? They jumped the gun.

Why did atm leave? They were tired of being second fiddle to UT. They got less exposure, less money, less attention and less wins than UT did and they didn't like it. atm has one of the most over inflated self-opinions that you will ever see anywhere on the planet and they weren't about to play second fiddle to a team in their own state. Additionally, their AD was so far in debt (15-25 MIL by most estimates) and they were about to come due on a huge loan they couldn't possibly pay off, and the UT goes and brokers a deal for CU and Neb to pay way less and the money would not go to individual schools like had been first proposed. atm was so super pissed UT did that without their 'permission' and had no way to pay off their debt, so they turned to the SEC. SEC was more than ecstatic to get a foothold into Texas recruiting so they quickly pulled the trigger, agreeing to pay off atm's AD loan and their exit fee with their huge coffers. atm got out of UT's shadow and got their debt paid off. Now they just have to worry about fighting Mississippi State and Ole Miss for 4th in their division. Why did atm leave? Penis Envy and empty pockets.

Why did Mizzou leave? Mizzou has been on the lookout for a better deal for years. They prostituted themselves to the B10 over and over and the B10 chose Nebraska, instead. Mizzou has long been bitching about the fact they get picked last every year in Bowl destinations, still complains daily how they beat KU and yet KU still got the Orange Bowl, and is in general just a whiney kid on the playground that thinks everyone needs to cater to him and is constantly on the lookout for a better deal. Now they just have to worry about fighting Vanderbilt and Kentucky for last in their division. Why did Mizzou leave? They wanted to be a whipping boy for LSU and Bama instead of UT and uo.

annnnnnnnd boom goes the dynamite.

[Sisk]

Why they left?


Money


fify

Could have saved a lot of time. If you think the SEC factored in Texas football recruiting into their decision to add us you're just wrong. Always was about the money. Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Sisk]

:lmao delusional Aggy thinking playing SEC schools will get them more Texas recruits, while the reality is that SEC schools who wax Aggy ass will get Texas recruits


Thanks Aggy for opening up the Texas recruiting market to LSU and Alabama

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2013

Currently the best SEC class for 2013.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MajorMike]

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2013

Currently the best SEC class for 2013.

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

And we know early verbals ALWAYS stay with their first team.

Right, Thompson Elkins? Right, Bralon Addison? Right, Corey Thompson? Right, Darion Monroe?

[Sisk]

And we know early verbals ALWAYS stay with their first team.

Right, Thompson Elkins? Right, Bralon Addison? Right, Corey Thompson? Right, Darion Monroe?

Fact of the matter is, Texas A&M has the #3 class in the country as it stands and the best in the SEC.

Where's okie lite on there? :lmao

http://therubberchickens.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/sec.jpg

[Sisk]

Also how about 2012?

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

http://recruiting.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=9&c=14&yr=2012

A&M is whottt, 9th in the SEC? Is that good? Is that better than TU?

Doesn't matter son, we won't even be playing those dirty hippy liberal sips.

SEC

[The Reckoning]

Doesn't matter son, we won't even be playing those dirty hippy liberal sips.

SEC


this quote is the future of a&m.

sad. i thought that school would always have school spirit and not cool club spirit. a&m has turned into a joke with how it tries to maintain its traditional line of thinking despite policy changes. one big hybrid fuckup, imo.

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't matter son, we won't even be playing those dirty hippy liberal sips.I thought you wanted to.

Pick a lane.

[MajorMike]

Fact of the matter is, Texas A&M has the #3 class in the country as it stands and the best in the SEC.

Where's okie lite on there? :lmao



I'll get back to you when the list is actually signees and not non-binding verbal commits.

Good thing ya'll left the B12, I'd hate for OSU to have to beat down atm for a fifth year in a row with our lesser recruits.

[Sisk]

I thought you wanted to.

Pick a lane.

You thought wrong.


I'll get back to you when the list is actually signees and not non-binding verbal commits.

Good thing ya'll left the B12, I'd hate for OSU to have to beat down atm for a fifth year in a row with our lesser recruits.

Does OSU have any commits at all? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You thought wrong.Then you should be less butthurt about UT.

[Sisk]

Then you should be less butthurt about UT.

I'm happy as can be

[lebomb]

Sorry, but UT arrogance started all the realignment bullshit. But hey! I aint mad.......... it got UTSA in C-USA in record time. Thanks Bevo!!!! :toast

[ChumpDumper]

Sorry, but UT arrogance started all the realignment bullshit. But hey! I aint mad.......... it got UTSA in C-USA in record time. Thanks Bevo!!!! :toastYeah, it was almost too easy for UTSA to reach its goal. Apparently they might have been able to get in the MWC too, but the watered down C-USA is probably more stable going forward.

[Blake]

Sorry, but A&M arrogance started all the realignment bullshit. But hey! I aint mad.......... it got UTSA in C-USA in record time. Thanks Reveille!!!! :toast

fify

[Sisk]

fify

Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri left because of A&M?

[stretch]

Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri left because of A&M?

yes

[Sisk]

yes

Very interesting

[Blake]

Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri left because of A&M?

maybe not. The first push might have come from Larry Scotts original invitation to the big
12 where insecurity started setting in

But I do know why A&M left.

[Sisk]

maybe not. The first push might have come from Larry Scotts original invitation to the big
12 where insecurity started setting in

So you just intentionally changed the quote to make it incorrect?

[stretch]

Very interesting

very butthurt

[Sisk]

very butthurt

I'm as happy as can be in the S-E-C.

[laxtonto]

I'm as happy as can be in the S-E-C.


Even with FSU Clemson and potentially ND announcement on the horizon a smaller payout than the rest of the Big 12 Texas schools?

[Spurtacus]

I'm as happy as can be in the S-E-C.

Enjoy 2-10 seasons

[Sisk]

Even with FSU Clemson and potentially ND announcement on the horizon a smaller payout than the rest of the Big 12 Texas schools?

I GREATLY doubt that ND will come to the B12. FSU and Clemson are all but inevitable. The SEC will pick up VT and an NC school when the ACC collapses, which would be great. We needed to leave the B12 not only for more money and an even distribution of power, but also to get away from Texas. I'm glad we left regardless of what happens with the B12.

[Sisk]

Enjoy 2-10 seasons

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511175102/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/4/4c/Ohhhhhhh.gif

[Spurtacus]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511175102/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/4/4c/Ohhhhhhh.gif

I know I basically said SEC is better than the Big 12. I can't deny that.

[Blake]

So you just intentionally changed the quote to make it incorrect?

meh, not really.

I think CU, NU leaving had more to do with wanting security blankets than leaving because of the UT network. No major dominoes fell when these two left, only Utah.

I don't think Mizzou gets invited to the SEC unless A&M leaves.

A&M flat left because of their arrogance and butthurt over the Longhorn Network.....in turn making it easy for the SEC to rift Mizzou.... thus forcing the Big [] to add schools, causing other dominoes to fall.....some which are about to....

i.e. realignment.

[Sisk]

I know I basically said SEC is better than the Big 12. I can't deny that.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511175102/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/4/4c/Ohhhhhhh.gif

[Sisk]

meh, not really.

I think CU, NU leaving had more to do with wanting security blankets than leaving because of the UT network. No major dominoes fell when these two left, only Utah.

I don't think Mizzou gets invited to the SEC unless A&M leaves.

A&M flat left because of their arrogance and butthurt over the Longhorn Network.....in turn making it easy for the SEC to rift Mizzou.... thus forcing the Big [] to add schools, causing other dominoes to fall...

i.e. realignment.

If Tech had the same opportunity (join the SEC) as A&M, would it? To be the only SEC school in Texas.

[Sisk]

Go ask a Nebraska fan why they left. It was all about Texas.

[Blake]

If Tech had the same opportunity (join the SEC) as A&M, would it? To be the only SEC school in Texas.

Based on the rumblings of Tech joining the Pac16 and what Tech officials said concerning those rumors, probably not.

They made it pretty clear that they were hitching the Raider wagon on to Bevo's, rain or shine.

[Sisk]

Based on the rumblings of Tech joining the Pac16 and what Tech officials said concerning those rumors, probably not.

They made it pretty clear that they were hitching the Raider wagon on to Bevo's, rain or shine.

I'd bet they said those things because they didn't have a choice, tbh. Not even trying to talk shit, just saying. I doubt Tech would deny an invitation to join the SEC.

[Blake]

Go ask a Nebraska fan why they left. It was all about Texas.

Nah. I'll go with what the chancellor and president of Nebraska said instead.


Nebraska chancellor Harvey Perlman said the Big Ten offers stability "that the Big 12 simply cannot offer."

.....Perlman said he believed Nebraska is much more "aligned" with the Big Ten than the Big 12 when it comes to academics, culture and athletics.

...."The University of Nebraska would have new opportunities with membership in the Big Ten -- and I believe the Big Ten would be a stronger conference as well," university president J.B. Milliken said.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276551

[Blake]

I'd bet they said those things because they didn't have a choice, tbh. Not even trying to talk shit, just saying. I doubt Tech would deny an invitation to join the SEC.

As of today though, there is no way Tech would accept an invite from the SEC. That would be dumber than Aggy moving to the SEC.

Tech definitely took note of UT giving Aggy the middle finger for future match-ups.

[Sisk]

Nah. I'll go with what the chancellor and president of Nebraska said instead.

Since officials are always honest about these things. Remember when the SEC said they were just find with 12 members?


As of today though, there is no way Tech would accept an invite from the SEC. That would be dumber than Aggy moving to the SEC.

I didn't say as of today.



Tech definitely took note of UT giving Aggy the middle finger for future match-ups.

We don't care to play tech. I personally would rather not play Texas. At least for a few years.

[The Reckoning]

let the butthurt flow

[Blake]

Since officials are always honest about these things. Remember when the SEC said they were just find with 12 members?

If you'd rather believe messageboard hack fans like you and me over actual university officials, that's your prerogative.


I didn't say as of today.

You sure didn't say yesterday or tomorrow.


We don't care to play tech. I personally would rather not play Texas. At least for a few years.

I'm not talking about Tech playing Aggy.

Tech playing UT means a lot on many different levels.

Byrne realized what Aggy is losing by not playing UT. Looks to me Aggy fan hasn't realized it yet and would rather remain butthurt and jealous.

[Sisk]

let the butthurt flow

Who is refusing to play who?

[Blake]

Who is refusing to play who?

A&M refused the Big XII.

Sorry they were too stupid to think that schedule conflicts might subsequently occur.

[Sisk]

let the butthurt flow


A&M refused the Big XII.

Sorry they were too stupid to think that schedule conflicts might subsequently occur.

You believe that? :lmao

You also believe everything school officials say in press releases. Do you also trust politicians?

[Blake]

You believe that? :lmao

yes, I believe that A&M left the Big XII because they really did.


You also believe everything school officials say in press releases. Do you also trust politicians?

Not always. I never trust message board opinions over actual university statements though.

Why do you?

[MajorMike]

Let's not make any mistake about what was offered to the P10. Yes, ttek and OSU are not on the surface the most desireable fanbases, ranking #33 and #41 respective in national fanbases with 911k and 719k. UT and uo rank #5 and #19 with 2.3M and 1.2M.

Interestingly enough, adding these 4 schools would increase the P10's aggregate fanbase over 70% because only SC, UCLA and Cal (#17, 25, 31) rank above OSU and the rest of the conf is VERY poor in nationwide viewing.

The low avidity of college football fans in the Western US means that it’s in the second-tier as a television product: only SC and UCLA have at least 1 million decided fans each. Despite their strong performance on the field, meanwhile, UDub and Oregon rank outside the top 40 in terms of their fan footprint. And other conference schools, like Ore St, Stanf and Wazzu, do poorly by major-conference standards.

The P10/2 NEEDED those schools; they need to be more viewers nation-wide because they do poorly outside the west. They needed more tv sets in other regions. P12 is BY FAR the lowest ranking national fanbase BCS conf (sorry, I'm not counting Big Easy as it has never been a real conf and the B12 just took its only team in the top 30). People may ask why the P10 would have even considered ttek and OSU, but when you have 12 schools with 7.4M viewers total and an average of 619k... teams that have 911k and 719k fans nationwide suddenly look appealing.

[ChumpDumper]

Let's not make any mistake about what was offered to the P10. Yes, ttek and OSU are not on the surface the most desireable fanbases, ranking #33 and #41 respective in national fanbases with 911k and 719k. UT and uo rank #5 and #19 with 2.3M and 1.2M.

Interestingly enough, adding these 4 schools would increase the P10's aggregate fanbase over 70% because only SC, UCLA and Cal (#17, 25, 31) rank above OSU and the rest of the conf is VERY poor in nationwide viewing.

The low avidity of college football fans in the Western US means that it’s in the second-tier as a television product: only SC and UCLA have at least 1 million decided fans each. Despite their strong performance on the field, meanwhile, UDub and Oregon rank outside the top 40 in terms of their fan footprint. And other conference schools, like Ore St, Stanf and Wazzu, do poorly by major-conference standards.

The P10/2 NEEDED those schools; they need to be more viewers nation-wide because they do poorly outside the west. They needed more tv sets in other regions. P12 is BY FAR the lowest ranking national fanbase BCS conf (sorry, I'm not counting Big Easy as it has never been a real conf and the B12 just took its only team in the top 30). People may ask why the P10 would have even considered ttek and OSU, but when you have 12 schools with 7.4M viewers total and an average of 619k... teams that have 911k and 719k fans nationwide suddenly look appealing.Well, they needed OU and UT. OSU and TTU were the price of admission. The legislatures of each state would have melted down had those schools been left behind.

[The Reckoning]

sad part is i want ou, tech, osu, tcu, etc etc to do well and continue playing them.

i wouldnt give two shits if tamu was forced to go dII or sun belt. thats how much i dont care and tired of the noise aggies make every year despite their suckage.

when was the last time they won the big 12 or finished in the top 10? in 20 years they have won only 3 bowl games and no bcs bowls. i dont see any value in keeping tamu besides sentimental value.

if anyone knows what tamu is getting into, its the AD. he retired after the change! that should say something.

[DesignatedT]

i dont see any value in keeping tamu besides sentimental value.


lol wut.

We already left brah, on our own accord.

[The Reckoning]

then why are aggies still in a big 12 thread, tbh?

[Blake]

then why are aggies still in a big 12 thread, tbh?

:lol

[DesignatedT]

Complimenting the big12 on what would be a nice pickup.

[MajorMike]

Well, they needed OU and UT. OSU and TTU were the price of admission. The legislatures of each state would have melted down had those schools been left behind.

True on the OSU part. Boren will not go anywhere without OSU. The Vet School at OSU, the bread and butter of the University, is named after Boren. Sort of ironic, I know.

[NFO]

The rumor currently circulating on radio stations in the Tampa area is that the Florida State Seminoles have accepted an offer to become a part of the Big 12 conference. If the rumors are to be believed, official announcement of this could come as early as next week.

[spursncowboys]

They're complaining about the NC schools having too much power. They should get on the phone and ask why A&M, Missouri, Colorado, and Nebraska all left.
Yeah, A&M will have so much more of a say. I hated how A&M/UT split but it makes sense for A&M, as far as recruits. But there is no way having an impact on conference rules, location of big games, etc will get better with the SEC. If A&M ever gets to the Conf Championship Game, it just means a longer drive for your fan base.

[Sisk]

Enjoy 2-10 seasons

Hey you were almost right. Just had to flip those numbers! :tu

[spursncowboys]

:lmao delusional Aggy thinking playing SEC schools will get them more Texas recruits, while the reality is that SEC schools who wax Aggy ass will get Texas recruits


Thanks Aggy for opening up the Texas recruiting market to LSU and Alabama Look at the recruits A&M is getting and all the decommits leaving UT. Recruits were already leaving for SEC

[Sisk]

Yeah, A&M will have so much more of a say. I hated how A&M/UT split but it makes sense for A&M, as far as recruits. But there is no way having an impact on conference rules, location of big games, etc will get better with the SEC. If A&M ever gets to the Conf Championship Game, it just means a longer drive for your fan base.

In the SEC, everyone has an even say. Even Vandy. That's why the conference is so successful - the SEC does what is best for the conference as a whole. We didn't want more of a say, we wanted to be in a conference that is run by all the schools, not just one. I would gladly fly to Atlanta for the SECCG - much better than being in a conference without a championship game imho.

[Sisk]

Look at the recruits A&M is getting and all the decommits leaving UT. Recruits were already leaving for SEC

My question is do you want mack fired and who do you realistically want to replace him?

[BradLohaus]

I hinted at this in another thread: it's moving towards a giant ncaa bball playoffs structure, except over the entire season. Regional round-robinish style during the opening round reg season, single elimination at the end. Money buys you a ticket in the tournament with a small school getting let in to the final rounds every few years. Genius, really.

[Pelicans78]

My question is do you want mack fired and who do you realistically want to replace him?

A BCS coach who has won consistently in a BCS conference.

[Sisk]

A BCS coach who has won consistently in a BCS conference.

hmmm

[spursncowboys]

My question is do you want mack fired and who do you realistically want to replace him?
Maybe not fired. AD.
Who could replace him:
There was a good list I found:

Chuck Carlton: Wow. We're getting a little ahead of ourselves. OK, if we hypothetically assume that things deteriorate to the point where Brown exits, expect Texas to make a play for some really big names -- because well, its Texas and money is no object. Think Saban and Meyer and Muschamp. But all are in great situations with resources to compete for national championships. The next group might include people like Chris Petersen and Gary Patterson, who each like their situations too. Want dark horses? Think Les Miles, Dan Mullen and maybe even Pete Carroll. Just remember, right now it looks like Mack Brown is going nowhere.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/college-sports/texas-longhorns/20121019-carlton-if-mack-brown-exits-expect-texas-to-make-a-play-for-some-really-big-names.ece

[Sisk]

Mack replaced Deloss? I just don't see that happening. Or do you mean somewhere else within the Athletic Dept?

Dan Mullen would not be a good hire IMO, Petersen isn't leaving, Carroll makes too much, Saban isn't leaving, Meyer wont leave OSU. Miles just got a big extension.

Best shots of thsoe names are Patterson and Muschamp. Patterson being a much more likely candidate imo.

[DesignatedT]

Dan Mullen? :lmao really?

[Clipper Nation]

Best shots of thsoe names are Patterson and Muschamp. Patterson being a much more likely candidate imo.

Didn't Patterson just sign a big extension with TCU?

[ColinB]

While Dodds definitely needs to go, I want Mack nowhere near the athletic department.

[coyotes_geek]

Didn't Patterson just sign a big extension with TCU?

I believe he did, but that doesn't mean anything as far as whether or not he'd leave for another job. Wisconsin extended Bielema earlier this year.

[DesignatedT]

Texas is in a tough spot. Some of those names being thrown around would be awful hires. Even Patterson would be meh. Tough spot to be in right now because there isn't many home run hires out there.

Holgorsen is someone who knows the state and is young and definitely proven. He comes with some baggage off the field though. I know they are going to want to find someone where there isn't some huge adjustment period. That was the best thing about Sumlin, the guy stepped right in and knew all the high school coaches, recruits, and all that good stuff. Offense was fairly similar to what we'd been running and there was no big time adjustment. Hiring someone with no Texas ties who hasn't coached/lived in this state before can be really risky.

[hehateme]

The rumor currently circulating on radio stations in the Tampa area is that the Florida State Seminoles have accepted an offer to become a part of the Big 12 conference. If the rumors are to be believed, official announcement of this could come as early as next week.

May i ask what station? Gonna try to look it up...

[Blake]

I would gladly fly to Atlanta for the SECCG - much better than being in a conference without a championship game imho.

:lol Georgia might not agree.

I know I don't.

[coyotes_geek]

:lol Georgia might not agree.

I know I don't.

Georgia would definitely agree. The SECCG gave them an opportunity to play their way into the national championship game that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

[Blake]

Georgia would definitely agree. The SECCG gave them an opportunity to play their way into the national championship game that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise.

They had the opportunity to beat South Carolina, title game or not.

[coyotes_geek]

They had the opportunity to beat South Carolina, title game or not.

Your point?

[Blake]

Your point?

That it's not any better to be in a conference with a title game.

Are you really having trouble keeping up with two posts?

[the chronic]

Mack replaced Deloss? I just don't see that happening. Or do you mean somewhere else within the Athletic Dept?

Dan Mullen would not be a good hire IMO, Petersen isn't leaving, Carroll makes too much, Saban isn't leaving, Meyer wont leave OSU. Miles just got a big extension.

Best shots of thsoe names are Patterson and Muschamp. Patterson being a much more likely candidate imo.


Guys at top programs including Muschamp aren't going anywhere, they may listen as strategy to get extension/raise though (see Les Miles and Arky interview).

Peterson will be a leading candidate; yes he has a good situation and is very tied to the area, but he is at Boise State. He will leave at some point when presented with the right offer - but he has ability to be very picky.

[coyotes_geek]

That it's not any better to be in a conference with a title game.

If that were true then conference championship games wouldn't exist.

[Blake]

If that were true then conference championship games wouldn't exist.

If it weren't true, the Big12 would not be taking their sweet time getting back to 12 teams.

And the Pac 10 and Big 10 wouldn't have waited so long.

[DesignatedT]

Kansas State finished #5 this year meaning they would have been left out of the Championship playoff. You don't think them having another game against a high ranked opponent would help them crack the top 4? Especially, when the team they would be trying to jump (Oregon) didn't even play in their conference championship game? Wrong

If K-state had a conference championship game and won then they would finish top 4 and play for a chance at a MNC. I could only imagine the BIG12 outrage if the playoff system had been implemented this season.

Regardless, the SEC will almost always have two teams out of the 4 under the playoff system.

So the "SEC is so hard, you will never get through to play for an MNC" argument that the big12 fanatics love to throw around is pretty retarded seeing that all you have to do is finish top 2 in the SEC to get into the top 4 of the BCS, (even if you lose a game). Whereas a member of the big12 will have to go undefeated to make it there and only have 1 representative year in and year out.

[stretch]

Gotta side with Aggie fan on this one... I don't really see the benefit to not having a conference championship game.

[coyotes_geek]

If it weren't true, the Big12 would not be taking their sweet time getting back to 12 teams.

And the Pac 10 and Big 10 wouldn't have waited so long.

The big12 is taking their sweet time getting back to 12 teams because none of the immediately available options add any value to the conference's TV deal. If/when the B12 does get back to 12 teams, it's a given that they'll go back to having a CCG.

[DesignatedT]

The big12 will most certainly go back to 12 eventually. They aren't at 10 because they like being at 10 :lmao. They are at 10 because they aren't dumb enough to add worthless programs like Louisville and BYU or whatever. Once or if they can get a team like Florida State or someone who adds value they will add them.

Blake with the goods once again.

[Blake]

Kansas State finished #5 this year meaning they would have been left out of the Championship playoff. You don't think them having another game against a high ranked opponent would help them crack the top 4? Especially, when the team they would be trying to jump (Oregon) didn't even play in their conference championship game? Wrong

If K-state had a conference championship game and won then they would finish top 4 and play for a chance at a MNC. I could only imagine the BIG12 outrage if the playoff system had been implemented this season.

Regardless, the SEC will almost always have two teams out of the 4 under the playoff system.

So the "SEC is so hard, you will never get through to play for an MNC" argument that the big12 fanatics love to throw around is actually retarded seeing that all you have to do is finish top 2 in the SEC to get into the top 4 of the BCS, (even if you lose a game). Whereas a member of the big12 will have to go undefeated to make it there and only have 1 representative year in and year out.

If there was a conference title game and had K State gone undefeated, there would be a chance they lose a conference title game.

if they lose one game, there is no guarantee the team from the other side is great enough to make up for one loss.

Nebraska losing to 7-5 Wisconsin this year for example.

[DesignatedT]

Chances of going undefeated during regular season < Chances of winning a conference championship game.

[Blake]

Chances of going undefeated during regular season < Chances of winning a conference championship game.

how many times has winning the one extra game for a one loss team helped up a schools BCS rank enough to get in?

Lol OU even lost the conference title game to KST in the early 00s and still went to the NC.

[Blake]

Chances of going undefeated during regular season < Chances of winning a conference championship game.

how many times has winning the one extra game for a one loss team helped up a schools BCS rank enough to get in?

Lol OU even lost the conference title game to KST in the early 00s and still went to the NC.

[Blake]

The big12 is taking their sweet time getting back to 12 teams because none of the immediately available options add any value to the conference's TV deal. If/when the B12 does get back to 12 teams, it's a given that they'll go back to having a CCG.

Why did the Pac 10 take so long?

[Blake]

The big12 will most certainly go back to 12 eventually. They aren't at 10 because they like being at 10 :lmao. They are at 10 because they aren't dumb enough to add worthless programs like Louisville and BYU or whatever. Once or if they can get a team like Florida State or someone who adds value they will add them.

Blake with the goods once again.

So it is better at the moment for the Big XII to not have a conference championship.

Thanks for agreeing, aggy.

[coyotes_geek]

Why did the Pac 10 take so long?

Had to wait on Colorado to get sick enough of the big12 to make a move.

[coyotes_geek]

So it is better at the moment for the Big XII to not have a conference championship.

Thanks for agreeing, aggy.

NCAA rules require 12 teams to have a CCG. So, yes, it is indeed better at the moment for the big12 not to have a conference championship game that they're not allowed to have.

[Kermit]

Had to wait on Colorado to get sick enough of the big12 to make a move.

They made the right choice.

Lol Colorado. What a fucking dumpster fire.

[Blake]

NCAA rules require 12 teams to have a CCG. So, yes, it is indeed better at the moment for the big12 not to have a conference championship game that they're not allowed to have.

the Big 12 could add two teams this second if they wanted to.

But we all agree they don't need a conference championship game bad enough to do it.

[coyotes_geek]

They made the right choice.

Lol Colorado. What a fucking dumpster fire.

Yeah, Colorado is a mess. Utah isn't much better. But as we see time and time again, expansion is about TV's, not quality of the sports product.

[coyotes_geek]

the Big 12 could add two teams this second if they wanted to.

But we all agree they don't need a conference championship game bad enough to do it.

Congrats, you've finally caught up. :toast

[Blake]

Congrats, you've finally caught up. :toast

I'm lapping you, tbh

[coyotes_geek]

:lol Ok.

[Blake]

Ok with me too :tu

[DesignatedT]

But we all agree they don't need a conference championship game bad enough to do it.

Depends how you define this. Odds of them getting a team playing for the MNC go up with a CG, so however much that means to you.

[Blake]

Depends how you define this. Odds of them getting a team playing for the MNC go up with a CG, so however much that means to you.

Prove it.

[DesignatedT]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

[Blake]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

Thanks for reminding me that Florida is #3.

Aggy doing the legwork for me. :tu

[DesignatedT]

4 team playoff with 2 SEC teams :tu

[Blake]

4 team playoff with 2 SEC teams :tu

2 of the 4 teams this year would be in without playing in a conference championship game.

Solid research, Aggy.

Thanks :tu

[DesignatedT]

So now a team that's independent has the same chance as a team in the big12 :tu Gotcha.

Only the SEC is strong enough to produce a top 4 bcs team without playing in a Championship Game :tu Best conference in football.

[Blake]

So now a team that's independent has the same chance as a team in the big12 :tu Gotcha.

Only the SEC is strong enough to produce a top 4 bcs team without playing in a Championship Game :tu Best conference in football.

Aggy trying to change the subject after calling me out earlier.

lol :tu

[DesignatedT]

lol ?




:tu

[Blake]

lol ?




:tu

Yes

:tu :tu

[spursncowboys]

Mack replaced Deloss? I just don't see that happening. Or do you mean somewhere else within the Athletic Dept?

Dan Mullen would not be a good hire IMO, Petersen isn't leaving, Carroll makes too much, Saban isn't leaving, Meyer wont leave OSU. Miles just got a big extension.

Best shots of thsoe names are Patterson and Muschamp. Patterson being a much more likely candidate imo.

Even though I am talking as a fan, It's common thought, atleast from what I read, that with UT's location (texas) and endless amounts of money-they can legitamitely try for anyone. I don't see Saban leaving, but anything is possible. Put yeah I agree, if none of the big names care about money or a guaranteed pool of talent, year end and year out then yeah Patterson is the best bet.

However after reading the AD backing Mack, it seems likes A&M will have some more years of stealing our four and five star commits. :toast
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8721701/mack-brown-texas-longhorns-coach-receives-vote-confidence-school-president-bill-powers

FTR, I am not understanding why UT fans aren't rooting for A&M now. I am so sick of SEC snobbish behavior about their fluff schedules and overrated mid-tier teams

[NFO]

how many times has winning the one extra game for a one loss team helped up a schools BCS rank enough to get in?

Happened in back to back years in 2006 and 2007, and in 2007 the one extra games helped a 2 loss team get in.

[the chronic]

Gotta side with Aggie fan on this one... I don't really see the benefit to not having a conference championship game.


Agreed. Right now Big XII has 9 game conf schedule. With 12 teams it could switch to 8 game conf schedule, and then schedule weak out of conference opponent. So team making conf champ game still plays 9 conf games. So how does this hurt your chances so much?

The SEC has great model of sticking gimme game late in season to give team a break and watch other teams drop in rankings. Then your teams move up rankings and everybody watches your championship game. Clearly superior model.

[Blake]

Happened in back to back years in 2006 and 2007, and in 2007 the one extra games helped a 2 loss team get in.

So twice?

wow!

[NFO]

So twice?

wow!

Correct. One year plus one year equals two.

Never said twice was a lot, just supplied the two times that a team won their conference championship game and it moved them into the national title game.

[Blake]

Correct. One year plus one year equals two.

Never said twice was a lot, just supplied the two times that a team won their conference championship game and it moved them into the national title game.

Thanks

[spursncowboys]

So now a team that's independent has the same chance as a team in the big12 :tu Gotcha.

Only the SEC is strong enough to produce a top 4 bcs team without playing in a Championship Game :tu Best conference in football.
Plus with fourteen teams in the sec, they can ride the hype and fluff the schedule (Ala v. Florida, Georgia*scheduled*, and SC; Georgia v. Bama, A&M, LSU)
SEC is good, but not top to bottom, and definitely not as much as everyone says. Past two years they haven't been as good as before. Bama is ridiculous! But Georgia, Florida and def SC are as high as they are because of the SEC.
Big 12 is a victim of what the SEC were victims of in the 90's and early 00's. Beating each other up.

But we'll see in the bowl games

[coyotes_geek]

The SEC has great model of sticking gimme game late in season to give team a break and watch other teams drop in rankings. Then your teams move up rankings and everybody watches your championship game. Clearly superior model.

Yep. It's not just the gimme games you've got to look at, it's the bye weeks. While every other major conference is spending the first month of their season playing OOC and taking bye weeks, the SEC is playing a bunch of conference games into their first month and teams rarely take bye weeks early in the season. Take a look at the Big12's month of September and the SEC's. In September all 10 big12 schools played exactly one conference game. Every school used a bye week in September. Baylor used two. In September, only 2 SEC schools played one conference game, 9 teams played two conf games and 3 teams had already played 3 conference games. Only 5 of the 14 SEC schools used a bye week in September and one of those was A&M who was forced into it because of the LaTech game getting postponed because of the hurricane. The big 12 rolled in to October with nothing but conference games ahead while the SEC rolls into that month with a quarter of the conference losses their teams will have to endure already out of the way and every team having at least one cupcake on the schedule.