Scouts Inc. rips TimVP posts!

[obijuan]

(Email TimVP at [email protected]!)

I was reading the scouting report on ESPN by John Carroll of Scouts Inc. and he blatanly ripped TimVP's posts!

1.

One of the biggest problems for the Spurs in this series will be their ability to defend the smaller perimeter players of the L.A. Clippers. Besides Tony Parker the Spurs struggle to defend on the perimeter. Chris Paul, Eric Bledsoe, Randy Foye, and Mo Williams are extremely quick and talented scorers.


Perhaps the biggest weakness of San Antonio's defense is the ability to defend small guards. Outside of Tony Parker, there's no one on the team who is above average at defending such players. More bluntly, everyone else is either bad or really bad at defending small guards. Unfortunately, the Clippers have four small guards who can play in Chris Paul, Eric Bledsoe, Mo Williams and Randy Foye.

2.

Bledsoe and Williams will cause problems for the Spurs bench players such as Gary Neal who is a defensive liability and Manu Ginobili. Ginobili is an aggressive defender especially against players with size and strength but he will struggle to defend the speed of the Clipper guards.


When Parker is on the bench, Gary Neal is going to be a major defensive liability no matter who he's defending. Manu Ginobili has done a much better job defending size than speed this season. In this series, Ginobili is going to be forced to defend smaller, quicker players who can score. If you've been following along this season, you know that's not a good thing.

3.

Popovich will be forced to utilize Patty Mills in this series in order to help limit the effectiveness of the Clipper guards, especially those that come off the bench.


Mills is far from a great defender but his skillset on that end could be useful against the Clippers. He can pressure the basketball and guard against speed, two traits that could be in high demand. If Neal can't hang on offense or defense, Mills will be the next in line. Personally, I think he's going to get a shot at some point. Let's hope he's ready.

4.

The pace of the game will be an important factor in this series. The Spurs want to get out and run for easy baskets. They like to create early opportunities for themselves that they can exploit. The problem for the Spurs in this series is that the Clippers are the slowest paced team still left in the playoffs. Chris Paul has the ability to control the pace of games and not allow the Spurs to play up and down.


Not only do the Spurs run for easy buckets, they run to create mismatches that they can then exploit in their early-offense sets. The bad news is that the Clippers are going to splash some cold water on that strategy. Not only are they the slowest paced team still alive in the playoffs, Paul is without question the game's best player at controlling the pace of games.

5.

During the regular season the Clippers averaged 91.8 possessions per game. In order to defeat the Grizzlies the Clippers slowed the pace down even more, with less than 90 possessions per game. The Spurs on the other hand averaged 95.1 possessions in the first round of the playoffs versus the Jazz. However, they will struggle to speed up the pace of the game with Chris Paul in the game.


In the regular season, the Clippers played at a pace of 91.8 possessions per game. To beat the Grizzlies, they dropped that number to under 90. The Spurs, conversely, averaged 95.1 possessions per game and they've played at the league's fastest pace so far in the playoffs. However, it's going to be next to impossible to speed up this series with Paul at the helm of the Clippers.

6.

The Spurs have lost only one time since late February when they had at least 95 possessions in a game, so it is imperative that the Clippers slow the pace of each and every game in this series.


And that's unfortunate because the Spurs have lost only one time since Feb. 22 in games that have had at least 95 possessions.

7.

Almost every time the Spurs took the court this season they had an advantage with their team’s depth. They can put ten players on the court and not worry about a letdown of production. However the Clippers are the one team that match the Spurs depth and in a series where the Clippers are coming in banged up and somewhat fatigued it will be extremely important that their bench delivers. The Clippers have ten players that they can throw on the court who can contribute. This was extremely obvious in their Game 7 against Memphis on Sunday when along with Chris Paul, Eric Bledsoe, Mo Williams, Nick Young, Reggie Evans and Kenyon Martin won the game for the Clippers in the fourth quarter.


Against almost every team in the NBA, the Spurs have a decided advantage when it comes to depth; San Antonio rolls ten deep and there's nary a letdown when the bench unit is on the court. Keyword: Almost. The Clippers very well could be the only exception to that statement still alive in the championship race. They too have ten players who can contribute on a nightly basis. In Game 7 against the Grizzlies, their bench of Eric Bledsoe, Mo Williams, Nick Young, Reggie Evans and Kenyon Martin basically won the game by playing remarkably well down the stretch.

8.

The Clippers have a closer and his name is Chris Paul. In the playoffs it is imperative that a team have a player with the skills to make plays in the fourth quarter and down the stretch of games. Chris Paul is one of the most dangerous closers in the game because he can beat opponents with his shot or a pass.


There's a lot of talk about who the best closer is in the NBA. While there are a lot of great players in this league who step up in money time, I think Paul is the most dangerous all-around threat late in the game. He steps up under pressure and can beat you with a shot or a pass.

9.

Paul is a fourth quarter player. His produces more in the fourth quarter than any other 12 minutes of the game. Chris Paul is fourth in the NBA in clutch scoring averaging 4.0 points per game in the clutch.


The stats agree: in the clutch, Paul averaged more than 40 points and eight assists per 48 minutes. He was also far more productive in fourth quarters than any other quarter. In a close playoff game, he's not a guy you want to see on the opposing team, to say the least.

And there's more........i just got tired of copying and pastinggg :lmao

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nbascouts/post?id=1081



Original posts by TimVPs
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197027
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197069
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197097

[Kori Ellis]

:lmao

Should I send ESPN a cease and desist letter?

[Sense]

Holy shit :lmao

I've always respected LJ's threads and analysis but I never thought ESPN would cop them..


btw another example of a great find by a gnsf

[dylankerouac]

That is ridiculous.

[dylankerouac]

This guy should lose his job!

[Spurtacus]

:lol

[timtonymanu]

:lol What a tool!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Rofl holy crap that's almost verbatim

[Floyd Pacquiao]

lol thats fucking bullshit!!get him timvp

[NASpurs]

timvp's pen name is John Carroll on ESPN. Now we know.

[sa_butta]

WOW, the similarities are uncanny.

[Spursmania]

WTF? That's ridiculous...:lol

[Kori Ellis]

Plagiarism, intellectual property, copyright, blah, blah, blah.

[Sense]

timvp should work for espn :lol

[TimmehC]

:lol espn
:lol making people pay for "insider" to read timvp's analysis.

[EVAY]

This guy should lose his job!

Well, at a minimum, he should give a big piece of his paycheck to LJ.

[VBM]

:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao
:lmao

trendsetter/sets trends

[timvp]

WoW.

[Venti Quattro]

Someone is going to get banned.

[sehui]

can we just revoke ESPN's rights for the NBA, and just make NBA exclusive on TNT?

[TDMVPDPOY]

sue em, if you cant afford the legal case, u can always sell SR

[Sec24Row7]

Thats incredible... that should give LJ that guy's job.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

What are the laws in regards to intellectual rights to stuff posted on a free online forum?

Can the material posted be fair game to plagiarize?

[Jayem]

maybe timvp copied him?

[Sense]

I wonder what his sn is..

[Trainwreck2100]

can we just revoke ESPN's rights for the NBA, and just make NBA exclusive on TNT?

send it back to nbc

[timvp]

maybe timvp copied him?

:lol Good one.

[Libri]

:lmao

Should I send ESPN a cease and desist letter?

If it was EN I'm sure you would have done it already. Am I right?

[Slomo]

What are the laws in regards to intellectual rights to stuff posted on a free online forum?

Can the material posted be fair game to plagiarize?

I'm no expert, but one of the guiding principles of open source materials is, "do with it whatever you want, just don't claim your the author when your not" or in other words, name your source.

So he should have named LJ as the source - which I don't think would be beneficial for his career...

[Venti Quattro]

:lol Good one.

LJ, you should start finding John Carroll in Spurstalk and ban him.

[VBM]

This would make a solid Deadspin article with the love they have for ESPN and all...

[bus driver]

maybe timvp copied him?

was going to say something, but good point :wakeup

[Sense]

maybe timvp copied him?

? Just look at the dates of both.

[Mugen]

approve my John Carroll troll asap!

[NASpurs]

LJ, you should start finding John Carroll in Spurstalk and ban him.

I think he posts under the name "lefty". Ban lefty either way.

[thispego]

maybe timvp copied him?

:lmao

[crc21209]

:lol Damn, even more evidence that timvp is a fucking bad ass. Nice job. :tu Well, now we know that some of the guys at ESPN come to SpursTalk...

[timvp]

Yeah unless time travel is possible, my ish was up first.

[bus driver]

? Just look at the dates of both.

even a better point

[Trill Clinton]

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/bertstare/grand/is_this_real_life101.gif

[Venti Quattro]

I think he posts under the name "lefty". Ban lefty either way.

I'd actually lose even more respect for ESPN if I found out that lefty made that article.

[Slomo]

:lol

ESPN pulled a Buddy Holly

[bus driver]

Yeah unless time travel is possible, my ish was up first.

so u going to collect from espn? dont let them steal your shit

[Kori Ellis]

Hilarious.. especially hilarious since the guy is an ex-NBA coach.

[Beanzamillion21]

Oh man. This is what JaVale McGee was talking about today. Nobody wants to actually do work in reporting anymore, they just want to jack everyone else's shit and/or assume things.

[G-Nob]

I hope some fronts his ass out in the comments or message board over at espn. Timvp is being way to easy on the guy.

[Sense]

John Carroll is shitting his pants reading this..

[spurs1990]

This needs to go viral. Timvp's magnanimity notwithstanding, Carroll will and should have the devil to pay for this.

[NASpurs]

:lol

ESPN pulled a Buddy Holly

:lmao should we start checking the 'N Sync forums again for plagiarism?

[Sec24Row7]

Hilarious.. especially hilarious since the guy is an ex-NBA coach.

:rollin

[Trainwreck2100]

John Carroll is shitting his pants reading this..

more like the guy Carroll went to, to write that is shitting his pants

[GSH]

I've seen writers "borrow" before, but I don't rememer anything that blatant. You really should insist on attribution, LJ. Not to punish the guy who claimed credit, but for your own reputation as an analyst and writer.

[TD 21]

Well let's face it, if you're looking for quality Spurs related content on the internet, you won't find no better. In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find close to as good. This isn't just run of the mill fluff, this is actual in depth commentary and detailed analysis.

[timvp]

I edited my initial post in this thread :stirpot:

[Trainwreck2100]

not to mention the bullshit that this is an insider article that people have to pay for.

[Libri]

John Carroll is shitting his pants reading this..

He'll just make up an assistant and blame it on him.

[NASpurs]

That's what pisses me off more. People are actually paying for this kind of information at ESPN and they're getting blatant plagiarism.

[Sec24Row7]

I've seen writers "borrow" before, but I don't rememer anything that blatant. You really should insist on attribution, LJ. Not to punish the guy who claimed credit, but for your own reputation as an analyst and writer.


For sure... if someone doesn't want to watch the spurs that is fine... but ffs... if you are going to have to write about them... don't steal the work of someone who does... and knows them inside out.. give them credit...

I would be getting a huge kick out of an ex-NBA coach stealing my stuff though... hah

[VBM]

Where's the ESPN ombudsmen when you need them?

[Sec24Row7]

I edited my initial post in this thread :stirpot:

CIA :pop:

[spurs1990]

not to mention the bullshit that this is an insider article that people have to pay for.

Exactly. Essentially wins the case because the material is considered provided from an informers pov. The bastard can't claim his info was "common knowledge."

[G-Nob]

This would make a solid Deadspin article with the love they have for ESPN and all...

Done. Already reported.

[Sense]

Can you really accuse someone of plagiarism if the sentences and words aren't exactly the same ?

I'm just wondering... if Carroll thought this through..

[Cant_Be_Faded]

We should email bomb espn
anyone have an email link?

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I edited my initial post in this thread :stirpot:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1y1blQenw1rn6s30.jpg

[Spurfect21]

Dude get that fool. At the very least his reputation as a writer has gone to shit. But hopefully this gets out he can be fired for sure

[G-Nob]

Can you really accuse someone of plagiarism if the sentences and words aren't exactly the same ?

I'm just wondering... if Carroll thought this through..


Creditability is what Carroll should be more concerned with.

[timvp]

The fact that it requires Insider access is pretty lame, tbh. I didn't realize that at first.

[024]

timvp probably won't have many legal options but he can definitely get carroll fired.

[polandprzem]

ohhh come on

[BlairForceDejuan]

ESPN gonna ESPN.

ESPN, making you constantly wonder how such clowns keep their jobs in this economy since 1942.

[TacoCabanaFajitas]

The fact that it requires Insider access is pretty lame, tbh. I didn't realize that at first.

Lawsuit! tbh

[dylankerouac]

Says he went to school at Dickinson College:

http://espn.go.com/nba/coaches/_/id/69/john-carroll

Maybe he needs his degree rescinded.

[TheSkeptic]

Can you really accuse someone of plagiarism if the sentences and words aren't exactly the same ?

I'm just wondering... if Carroll thought this through..

Idk. I was always taught that even if you're explaining something in your own words you're still supposed to list a source either in text or as a reference at the end.

Ex. In his article "XYZ" (date of publication, required info, etc.), AuthorName put forward...

Although since it looks like the entire article is basically summarizing Timvp's thread, I'm not even sure if that would salvage this particular situation tbh. :lol

I'm thinking he should've quoted Timvp, done a little work on Synergy, and then given some commentary from there? As long as he's honest about not really watching the Spurs and is clearly explaining that his predictions are based on the stats that could've been a decent read still imo.

[polandprzem]

I wonder how many NBA boards timvp's are there?

Probably ESPN got 30 of them

[Kori Ellis]

The fact that it requires Insider access is pretty lame, tbh. I didn't realize that at first.

The fact that WE pay for Insider to read a guy who is ripping off your writing is HILARIOUS.

[vander]

We should email bomb espn
anyone have an email link?

or we could keep our cool about it and be classy Spurs fans.

[polandprzem]

naahhhh a coincidence































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:fight

[ALVAREZ6]

:lmao

should i send espn a cease and desist letter?

yes!!!!


Fuck espn.

[Sense]

Whether it was him, or someone else giving him timvp's post, someone should have done a little research on these forums.

[TheSkeptic]

or we could keep our cool about it and be classy Spur fans.

How is letting ESPN know that one of their writers has failed in his duties a bad thing? He's making people pay for information that's available for free.
To compound matters he didn't even have the class to list his reference and add his own commentary.

I know that online content writers are underpaid and I get that he was probably trying to beat a deadline. In terms of professional courtesy, however, not listing your source like that is in poor taste.

[G-Nob]

Anyone else disappointed this guy obviously isn't watching a lot of spurs games? I wanted some real analysis from another opinion.

[Paranoid Pop]

Well let's face it, if you're looking for quality Spurs related content on the internet, you won't find no better. In fact, you'll be hard pressed to find close to as good. This isn't just run of the mill fluff, this is actual in depth commentary and detailed analysis.

Agreed, I don't agree with timvp on everything but the quality of the takes from him but also some others like Bruno is pretty much the best you can find regarding the Spurs. 48moh has some nice writing (they're probably the best for "stories") but for pure substance and in-depth analysis, ST is where it's at. Easily the best Spurs website bar none.

[chazley]

Wooow fuck him, where do we complain at?

[vander]

How is letting ESPN know that one of their writers has failed in his duties a bad thing? He's making people pay for information that's available for free.
To compound matters he didn't even have the class to list his reference and add his own commentary.

I know that online content writers are underpaid and I get that he was probably trying to beat a deadline. In terms of professional courtesy, however, not listing your source like that is in poor taste.

timvp can confront him/ESPN if he wants,

Spurs fans would just come across as a bunch of whiny butthurt children :madrun:madrun:madrun

[foodie2]

I'm a librarian and my husband is a professional writer. We both take copyright and plagiarism very seriously. We both think you should at the very least report this to ESPN.

[Spurtacus]

...

[024]

Someone should take a screen shot before ESPN or Carroll takes the page down.

Also,

ESPN Twitter:
@ ESPN_FanCentral

"Press Related Inquiries" (only direct email I could find that was kind of relevant):
[email protected]

Contact ESPN Directly (for the United States):
http://espn.go.com/espn/contact?lang=EN&country=united%20states

[Spurtacus]

...

[Budkin]

This is one of the most egregious article plagiarisms I've ever seen... cease and fucking desist.

[GSH]

Can you really accuse someone of plagiarism if the sentences and words aren't exactly the same ?

I'm just wondering... if Carroll thought this through..


Yes, absolutely. Making insignificant changes to sentence structure doesn't change a thing. I just picked one pair of quotes at random, from the OP (below). They are more than close enough to be considered plagiarism.

Like I said, though, hurting the guy who took credit for the article doesn't help LJ. Getting attribution does. (Or... maybe getting a little pay from Scouts, Inc. :D)


From the Article:
During the regular season the Clippers averaged 91.8 possessions per game. In order to defeat the Grizzlies the Clippers slowed the pace down even more, with less than 90 possessions per game. The Spurs on the other hand averaged 95.1 possessions in the first round of the playoffs versus the Jazz. However, they will struggle to speed up the pace of the game with Chris Paul in the game.

Originally Posted by TimVP:
In the regular season, the Clippers played at a pace of 91.8 possessions per game. To beat the Grizzlies, they dropped that number to under 90. The Spurs, conversely, averaged 95.1 possessions per game and they've played at the league's fastest pace so far in the playoffs. However, it's going to be next to impossible to speed up this series with Paul at the helm of the Clippers.

[Paranoid Pop]

I think this should be resolved between the guy and timvp. Maybe he could recommend timvp to espn or something. More productive than ruining the guy's career and not getting anything in return.

[Spurminator]

Did they actually number it like that and everything?


edit: nm, I just saw the article posted

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

ESPN pulled a Buddy Holly

:lmao x 308430483

[Trainwreck2100]

Did they actually number it like that and everything?

no

[jaffies]

I edited my initial post in this thread :stirpot:

[timtonymanu]

I edited my initial post in this thread :stirpot:

:lmao

[Kori Ellis]

I'm deleting the full article from here. We don't need anyone saying all of you didn't pay for that access.

Thanks.

[DBMethos]

Too fucking funny. :rollin

[Sense]

Yes, absolutely. Making insignificant changes to sentence structure doesn't change a thing. I just picked one pair of quotes at random, from the OP (below). They are more than close enough to be considered plagiarism.

Like I said, though, hurting the guy who took credit for the article doesn't help LJ. Getting attribution does. (Or... maybe getting a little pay from Scouts, Inc. :D)


From the Article:
During the regular season the Clippers averaged 91.8 possessions per game. In order to defeat the Grizzlies the Clippers slowed the pace down even more, with less than 90 possessions per game. The Spurs on the other hand averaged 95.1 possessions in the first round of the playoffs versus the Jazz. However, they will struggle to speed up the pace of the game with Chris Paul in the game.

Originally Posted by TimVP:
In the regular season, the Clippers played at a pace of 91.8 possessions per game. To beat the Grizzlies, they dropped that number to under 90. The Spurs, conversely, averaged 95.1 possessions per game and they've played at the league's fastest pace so far in the playoffs. However, it's going to be next to impossible to speed up this series with Paul at the helm of the Clippers.


Yeah that's what I thought... you don't even have to read all of it to know it's saying the exact same thing...

haha I used to do this shit in high school, and even I did a better job at hiding it than him.

[MannyIsGod]

Thats just too damn blatant for it to be coincidence. LJ does put together the most detailed Spurs reviews and previews on the net. 48MOH is up there too, but I prefer to read it here as I often forget to check my RSS feed.

I don't think anything could be considered plagerism since its all just open material and information. Its just shady as fuck and a shit thing to do.

[DMC]

Thats just too damn blatant for it to be coincidence. LJ does put together the most detailed Spurs reviews and previews on the net. 48MOH is up there too, but I prefer to read it here as I often forget to check my RSS feed.

I don't think anything could be considered plagerism since its all just open material and information. Its just shady as fuck and a shit thing to do.
40MOH would go ballistic if ESPN stole their shit though. They are quoted frequently on that site already. It would be way too apparent.

[Slomo]

The fact that WE pay for Insider to read a guy who is ripping off your writing is HILARIOUS.

:lol

[Kori Ellis]

The guy obviously didn't know anything about the Spurs series, so he cheated. What's funny is if he would have just asked, then we would have said sure...just add your own commentary and link back to SpursTalk, giving timvp credit.

But since, he had to do it on the sly and think no one would be the wiser...

...well, there are usually repercussions for such things.

[The_Worlds_finest]

TL;DR mad props to Timvp. Fuck off espn. Spurs have this in the bag, I cant wait for bitch ass griffen to try and do "the stare"

[Kori Ellis]

...

I don't think anything could be considered plagerism since its all just open material and information. Its just shady as fuck and a shit thing to do.

Absolutely it's still plagiarism. You can't take someone else's opinions and thoughts, slightly reword them and try to pass them off as your own.

[GSH]

Now watch ESPN sues because the insider crap is posted here.


An old lady who is terrified of the dentist finally has to get some work done. She sits down, and as the dentist leans over her, she reaches out and grabs him by the balls, and says, "Okay... we're not going to hurt each other, are we?"

Somehow I don't think there is any worry about ESPN this time. Especially since posting "their" material is really just re-posting Timvp's material.

[Spurtacus]

I pay for insider for rumors and fantasy sports stuff. Also ESPN Mag. I rarely read the articles.

[Kori Ellis]

Everyone who Tweets, please re-tweet this:

https://twitter.com/#!/koriellis/status/202526677488771073

[MannyIsGod]

Absolutely it's still plagiarism. You can't take someone else's opinions and thoughts, slightly reword them and try to pass them off as your own.

Can't you though? Because I see that shit all over the internet in so many ways. I thought that if it wasn't some original idea - and I don't think news reporting counts in that manner - then it wasn't plagerism?

[WeNeedLength]

He coached the Boston Celtics in 2004? :lol

I want to see where this goes..

[Sense]

Everyone who Tweets, please re-tweet this:

https://twitter.com/#!/koriellis/status/202526677488771073

On it.

[Kori Ellis]

Can't you though? Because I see that shit all over the internet in so many ways. I thought that if it wasn't some original idea - and I don't think news reporting counts in that manner - then it wasn't plagerism?

I think that you'd have to draw the line on whether it's "news reporting" .. timvp wasn't saying "the score was 86-84"... he was going his analysis/opinions of the players/matchups. Anyway, it's not like it's going to be a heavy lawsuit. :lol

I just find the whole thing hilarious, and would LOVE to hear the guy's explanation.

[obijuan]

Hi I updated the original post with links to TimVPs threads...what esle should I do???

Can I get my user name unsilvered? :) :)

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Retweeted to my 11 followers. Time for ESPN to bow before my social media empire!

Seriously though, this is some fucking bullshit.

[foodie2]

Can't you though? Because I see that shit all over the internet in so many ways. I thought that if it wasn't some original idea - and I don't think news reporting counts in that manner - then it wasn't plagerism?

It is plagiarism. Especially since he is getting paid for it.

[angelbelow]

Eh.. I don't have much of a problem with that. It's better than the horse shit they normally churn out.. This is one of those rare instances where the Spurs are portrayed correctly by media outside of San Antonio.

The ethics of the situation is shitty though.

[spurs1990]

Anyone remember Jason Blair? Espinoza purports to be the new York times of sports. Evidently journalistic fraud falls into their model.

[TimmehC]

I'm deleting the full article from here. We don't need anyone saying all of you didn't pay for that access.

Thanks.
Oh, the irony.

[MannyIsGod]

I think that you'd have to draw the line on whether it's "news reporting" .. timvp wasn't saying "the score was 86-84"... he was going his analysis/opinions of the players/matchups. Anyway, it's not like it's going to be a heavy lawsuit. :lol

I just find the whole thing hilarious, and would LOVE to hear the guy's explanation.

Thats probably a fair line to draw. Opinion and analysis isn't really news.

Its always funny when the internet catches people in the act like this.

[jestersmash]

Can't you though? Because I see that shit all over the internet in so many ways. I thought that if it wasn't some original idea - and I don't think news reporting counts in that manner - then it wasn't plagerism?

No, you can't.

If it's clear that you're reading another article and simply paraphrasing it and you don't give credit to the original source, it's plagiarism.

Plagiarism isn't just limited to copy/pasting exact quotes/sentences/paragraphs without properly sourcing the information. Paraphrasing large quantities of text without giving credit is also plagiarism.

Ex. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Opal_Mehta_Got_Kissed,_Got_Wild,_and_Got_a_Lif e#Sample_passages

[timvp]

Uh oh. I just got a call looking to confirm this.

:stirpot:

[foodie2]

(860) 766-2000 ESPN PR department.

http://www.ehow.com/how_8430766_contact-espn-sports-writers.html

[Kori Ellis]

Get ready for .... to hit the fan soon. :lmao

[timvp]

Hi I updated the original post with links to TimVPs threads...what esle should I do???

Can I get my user name unsilvered? :) :)

If you will, edit your post again and include an email address: [email protected]

I don't need people calling me right now, tbh :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

It is plagiarism. Especially since he is getting paid for it.


No, you can't.

If it's clear that you're reading another article and simply paraphrasing it and you don't give credit to the original source, it's plagiarism.

Plagiarism isn't just limited to copy/pasting exact quotes/sentences/paragraphs without properly sourcing the information. Paraphrasing large quantities of text without giving credit is also plagiarism.

Ex. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_Opal_Mehta_Got_Kissed,_Got_Wild,_and_Got_a_Lif e#Sample_passages

Thanks. I knew it was wrong, but I guess was using a definition of plagiarism that was too narrow.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Who called you? SAEN? LOL

[clambake]

when you're ready, call brian panish.

[Kori Ellis]

:lmao @ people calling I thought we were freakin' unlisted. :lmao

[NASpurs]

:lmao ruh roh. Shits about to get real.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Kori bout to go on tha warpath
And when she's finished?
It's gonna be a bloodbath.

[GSH]

Can't you though? Because I see that shit all over the internet in so many ways. I thought that if it wasn't some original idea - and I don't think news reporting counts in that manner - then it wasn't plagerism?


I'm no expert on it, but I do remember that they have a harder time enforcing it if neither of the sites (the one copying, or the one copied from) are commercial websites. But if either one charges a subscription, or runs any sort of paid advertising, it changes things.

I remember reading about a few cases where websites copied someone else's material, and only wound up in big trouble because the lawyers found some way that the site owner was receiving compensation. They weren't making a profit or anything, but just the fact that there were some funds coming in put them into a different situation. But, as I recall, they had been asked to take down the copyrighted material first, and refused.

[foodie2]

Well, at least this is something to do while we wait for the game to come on.

[sa_butta]

:corn:

[IWantsACuatro]

Bahahaha

Reminds me of something along the lines of "Smart people cite other's work. Geniuses steal."

[IronMaxipad]

http://i.imgur.com/bstb9.gif

[benefactor]

Wow...this is just...wow.

[Beanzamillion21]

If you will, edit your post again and include an email address: [email protected]

I don't need people calling me right now, tbh :lmao

TimVP Got's a game 1 to watch!!! :flag:

Looking forward to them grades tonight, keep that phone on silent!

[IWantsACuatro]

Kori bout to go on tha warpath
And when she's finished?
It's gonna be a bloodbath.


She's about to take him to the bank...the blood bank.

[Sense]

This is more exciting than the trade deadline...

What? we have a game tonight? What game?

[sa_butta]

And all this originating from a gnsf. What are the chances?? LOL

[Ginofan]

Retweeted for you Kori :)

It's been a while since I've actually been logged in, but I read all time time. That's some crazy shit, hope they blow the whistle on this guy!

[mbass]

I'm deleting the full article from here. We don't need anyone saying all of you didn't pay for that access.

Thanks.

It's plagerism and unethical and the writer should be fired -

I wonder if the writer has copied other articles that timvp has written. It would be interesting to find this out.

[Kori Ellis]

Retweeted for you Kori :)

It's been a while since I've actually been logged in, but I read all time time. That's some crazy shit, hope they blow the whistle on this guy!

Thanks Mandy. A few places have called/emailed us about it. So I'm sure the guy will hear something soon.

[TheSkeptic]

I'm no expert on it, but I do remember that they have a harder time enforcing it if neither of the sites (the one copying, or the one copied from) are commercial websites. But if either one charges a subscription, or runs any sort of paid advertising, it changes things.

I remember reading about a few cases where websites copied someone else's material, and only wound up in big trouble because the lawyers found some way that the site owner was receiving compensation. They weren't making a profit or anything, but just the fact that there were some funds coming in put them into a different situation. But, as I recall, they had been asked to take down the copyrighted material first, and refused.

Interesting. In light of the fact that these guys are charging for their insights, then it looks like there's a precedent there then.

Thanks for finding that out. Do you know what the results were in those cases? Link, compensation, etc.?

By the way I think OP should be bolded. This is an amazing thread. :lol

[Splits]

What a jerkoff. In all honesty though, LJ has to be feeling pretty good about himself. For the largest sports network in the country steal his takes and then charge for the... WoW. Just wow. Like it or not, ESPN has no choice but to can thIs guy. I mean, his actions are completely off limis, and I don't care if some bonehead on a shitty blog wrote the original, this is a pure violation of journalism ethics 101. Dude is done

[Sense]

Thanks Mandy. A few places have called/emailed us about it. So I'm sure the guy will hear something soon.



Spurstalk spread it fast? or you emailed? Just wondering.

[Kori Ellis]

Spurstalk spread it fast? or you emailed? Just wondering.

Someone read about it here and called, and some others emailed.

[Mr.Nate]

We should report it on Daily Dime Live. might get to ESPN faster.

[VBM]

By the way I think OP should be bolded. This is an amazing thread. :lol

Talk about setting the bar for getting bolded. The rest of us GNSFs are screwed. :lol

[Dex]

Talk about setting the bar for getting bolded. The rest of us GNSFs are screwed. :lol

And this is exactly why there should never be a Post Count limit to starting threads.

[Sense]

Someone read about it here and called, and some others emailed.
Ah I see....

Well I thought this was going to be a long day because the game is at 8:30... but this is just as entertaining :lol




We should report it on Daily Dime Live. might get to ESPN faster.

I don't think ESPN wants Insider customers to know the writers are copying the content.

[xellos88330]

Wow, just wow. Timvp's analysis of the Spurs is usually spot on. I like to argue with people when it comes to basketball, but it is hard to argue with someone who is most likely right or shares the same opinions as yourself.

Go get your peice of the pie! Fuck ESPN!!!

[ElNono]

Everyone who Tweets, please re-tweet this:

https://twitter.com/#!/koriellis/status/202526677488771073

Done

[ElNono]

tbh, banning tacker should render this moot... :lol

[TheSkeptic]

Talk about setting the bar for getting bolded. The rest of us GNSFs are screwed. :lol

:lol What can you do? OP deserves props.

[timtonymanu]

Well, at least this is something to do while we wait for the game to come on.

THIS :lol

[Sense]

Out of all the teams, it's funny ESPN tries to screw over the Spurs fan.

[ElNono]

Wow, did you guys see the new insider article by David Thorpe?

Should Pop rest the big 3 Sunday? (insider.espn.go.com/nba/story?id=7933162)

[VBM]

OP = the ghost of marvin zindler.

This is right up there with slime in the ice machine.

http://deliciousfruit.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/ktrk-072907-marvin3.jpg

[BoricuaCJA]

I posted this on Facebook.

[benefactor]

And all this originating from a gnsf. What are the chances?? LOL
The greys have heard my pleas...and have responded with vigor.

[IWantsACuatro]

Really, I've lost all respect for ESPN after this. There are huge data searches they can filter articles through before publishing to make sure there isn't plagiarism.

Shameful.

[Splits]

Talk about setting the bar for getting bolded. The rest of us GNSFs are screwed. :lol

OP has instant legend status. What a find. Probably a longtime lurker like most who visit the site. Catch of the year.

[rasho8]

Retweeted

[ElNono]

tbh, he should've waited until the Final Prediction post...

[ElNono]

Word spreading around...

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1181288&p=31809292

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Eric B has retweeted it five times

[VBM]

The greys have heard my pleas...and have responded with vigor.

:lol I refuse to answer the call of your thread, Facto. I will continue to strive for mediocrity in order to spite you.

:flag:

[Kori Ellis]

Well the people who need to know, now know.

Now we wait.

[VBM]

Well the people who need to know, now know.

Now we wait.

Next thing we know, we'll see a Spurs version of the HEAT Index on the ESPN homepage. timvp's about to hit the big time!

[JMarkJohns]

To be honest, this happens quite frequently, where message board topics and even posts are used, slightly reworded, and written around only to be passed off as network or local sports writers own content.

Doesn't surprise me that Spurstalk has some of its content ripped. Now, if it was posts from DOG, then I might be surprised. This? ...

[TheSkeptic]

Well the people who need to know, now know.

Now we wait.

That kid in your avy is as cute as a button. Simply adorable. :)

Do they give you any hints about what's going to happen?

[benefactor]

:lol I refuse to answer the call of your thread, Facto. I will continue to strive for mediocrity in order to spite you.

:flag:
:lol

You sir, are an exception to the grey rule....much like TDMVPDPOY is an exception to the bolded rule.

[Dex]

Doesn't surprise me that Spurstalk has some of its content ripped. Now, if it was posts from DOG, then I might be surprised. This? ...

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/447/hello-yes-this-is-dog.png

[Kori Ellis]

That kid in your avy is as cute as a button. Simply adorable. :)

Do they give you any hints about what's going to happen?

Thanks, that's our youngest daughter.

...

We'll see :lmao

[Spurtacus]

Should Spurstalk come up with some rules on copyright infringement on the forums? This particular issue might be bringing more eyes upon this forum and putting us under a microscope. Not really sure if such a thing exists for internet forums tbh.

[Obstructed_View]

We've long suspected that many media people come to ST for their Spurs info because they don't actually bother to watch the games or follow the team. This is just further evidence of that.

[rasho8]

They should have taken one of sequspurs terrible posts tbh.

[DJB]

I'm a librarian and my husband is a professional writer. We both take copyright and plagiarism very seriously. We both think you should at the very least report this to ESPN.

Agreed. This is ridiculous. I'm all for email bombing ESPN.

[JMarkJohns]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/447/hello-yes-this-is-dog.png

bark bark bark bark bark!

[Splits]

They should have taken one of sequspurs terrible posts tbh.

Next up on BSPN: Fuck yo team clown

[TheSkeptic]

Thanks, that's our youngest daughter.

...

We'll see :lmao

Aw. She's very cute. :)

Pfft! I'm hoping for headlines like what happened when that other ESPN writer was fired over the Jeremy Lin thing. Timvp could be the next high profile Spurs analyst over there. :D

Heaven knows that ESPN needs better coverage of our team anyway.

Edit: Or as high profile as a Spurs oriented writer can get in any case though. Come to think of it, I'm not sure what difference that would make in the end.

[JMarkJohns]

Also, it seems it's not ESPN who's at fault here. The writer is for ScoutsInc, and his content is picked up by ESPN via their INsider, which, in and of itself, is a form of stealing, much of the time taking free information from local publications and charging for the centralized access to it.

If you're going to email anyone, email ScoutsInc.

However, these are almost impossible to prove. Might scare the person from doing it so blatantly next time, but it's not going to "stop" it.

[Kuestmaster]

Go get him timvp and kori

[NASpurs]

We should go after Jeff McDonald next. We know you're here!

[Obstructed_View]

Also, it seems it's not ESPN who's at fault here. The writer is for ScoutsInc, and his content is picked up by ESPN via their INsider, which, in and of itself, is a form of stealing, much of the time taking free information from local publications and charging for the centralized access to it.

If you're going to email anyone, email ScoutsInc.

However, these are almost impossible to prove. Might scare the person from doing it so blatantly next time, but it's not going to "stop" it.

Hey! Nice to see you around! :toast

[Kori Ellis]

Also, it seems it's not ESPN who's at fault here. The writer is for ScoutsInc, and his content is picked up by ESPN via their INsider, which, in and of itself, is a form of stealing, much of the time taking free information from local publications and charging for the centralized access to it.

If you're going to email anyone, email ScoutsInc.

However, these are almost impossible to prove. Might scare the person from doing it so blatantly next time, but it's not going to "stop" it.

Scouts Inc. is part of ESPN. But it doesn't matter. We didn't need to email any of them.

[loveforthegame]

This is crazy. Glad you guys were notified and are taking action.

[angelbelow]

Haha.. I just read the whole thing, definitely worse than I thought. I just assumed he took a few points here and there and drafted up a preview but some of that stuff is literally word for word. Inexcusable on an ethical level.

[TheSkeptic]

Also, it seems it's not ESPN who's at fault here. The writer is for ScoutsInc, and his content is picked up by ESPN via their INsider, which, in and of itself, is a form of stealing, much of the time taking free information from local publications and charging for the centralized access to it.

If you're going to email anyone, email ScoutsInc.

However, these are almost impossible to prove. Might scare the person from doing it so blatantly next time, but it's not going to "stop" it.

Oh so Insider is basically a news feed. That's a little bit different from straight up stealing since it looks like ESPN was giving credit back to Scouts Inc. Plus they do get exclusives from guys like Hollinger so it's probably a mixture of both.

Thanks to the dates, I think Timvp and Kori will be able to prove it if it comes to that. They could also check when the file was created to get a better idea of whether or not the writer plagiarized.

[SpursWoman]

That's nuts ... but considering LJ has posted these brillant playoff match up analysis for years, this can't possibly be the first time his work has been lifted.

Well, maybe not quite as thoroughly lifted. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

That's nuts ... but considering LJ has posted these brillant playoff match up analysis for years, this can't possibly be the first time his work has been lifted.

Well, maybe not quite as thoroughly lifted. :lol

Writers take stuff from here all the time. But they don't usually take it so blatantly and excessively in one article. :lmao

[JMarkJohns]

Scouts Inc. is part of ESPN. But it doesn't matter. We didn't need to email any of them.

For whatever reason I misunderstood and thought ScoutsInc was Scout.com, which is a FoxSports.com feeder site for college and recruiting info. Oops...

Still, whatever emails are sent need to be as specific as possible. Name the person, name the provider, not just the more well-known source of content.

This really isn't anything new for ESPN.

[TheSkeptic]

We should go after Jeff McDonald next. We know you're here!

McDonald isn't stealing anything from anyone. In fact, grabbing content would probably help him get his news sooner. I mean, he got out-scooped by the Salt Lake Tribune when the Spurs changed their starting line-up. For crying out loud...

[manufan10]

:lol That's insane.

[Kori Ellis]

For whatever reason I misunderstood and thought ScoutsInc was Scout.com, which is a FoxSports.com feeder site for college and recruiting info. Oops...

Still, whatever emails are sent need to be as specific as possible. Name the person, name the provider, not just the more well-known source of content.

This really isn't anything new for ESPN.

No, Scouts Inc was bought by ESPN for $18 million in 2006.


Seeking additional content for its many media platforms, ESPN has purchased Scouts Inc., a Boston sports scouting information company, for around $18 million.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2006/01/20060116/Media/ESPN-Keeps-Scouts-Inc-On-Its-Team-Through-Acquisition.aspx

[pgardn]

This is nothing close to a big surprise. These ESPN guys have to cover a whole bunch. There is no way they think and watch the Spurs more than many of the people on this board.

So you got Timvp, who can write solidly about a team he watches very closely, why not.

And its an insult to Timvp to claim his insights into this game actually made it to a NATIONAL news organization. ESPN is just not that good. Now if a sports writer for the Knicks from the NY Times had taken Timvp's stuff on the Knicks, then that would be big time. And if this guy is an ex coach, its even more understandable that he would seize without credit.

Otherwise, no surprise. This is a fairly pervasive tactic. And hard to prove in court. I have read a significant number of ideas on this site much more in depth than anything you are going to find on ESPN concerning the Spurs.

These sites like ESPN have to put stuff out quickly and in very large volume.

[NASpurs]

McDonald isn't stealing anything from anyone. In fact, grabbing content would probably help him get his news sooner. I mean, he got out-scooped by the Salt Lake Tribune when the Spurs changed their starting line-up. For crying out loud...

I agree with you, the guy sucks when it comes to breaking news. I just want him gone either way. He tried to replace Ludden and has done a terrible job.

[TimmehC]

We should go after Jeff McDonald next. We know you're here!

Tim Griffin has "borrowed" heavily from various Spurs blogs in the past. But he's not as blatant about it, and usually at least adds some of his own material.

Edit: I don't think McDonald plagiarizes anyone, just to be clear.

[manufan10]

This guy probably IS Tacker.

:lol

[Andthentherewas21]

Great work done by the OP. One of the main reasons I joined up on ST is because of LJ's articles so it's a credit to his analysis that he would be plagiarized so blatantly. That being said, there should be some action taken against the writer, if only some apologetic letter from ESPN about the incident. I doubt it will benefit Timvp in any discernible fashion, but it is the principle of the point.

[TheSkeptic]

I agree with you, the guy sucks when it comes to breaking news. I just want him gone either way. He tried to replace Ludden and has done a terrible job.

There it is. :lol

I just wish there was some way to get Timvp or some other good poster access.

[JMarkJohns]

No, Scouts Inc was bought by ESPN for $18 million in 2006.



http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2006/01/20060116/Media/ESPN-Keeps-Scouts-Inc-On-Its-Team-Through-Acquisition.aspx

Thanks. Don't know why I misunderstood. I know personally scouts and administrators for Scout.com. Same for Rivals.com. Just read Scout and ran with it.

Definitely not the same entity.

[Spurtacus]

http://deadspin.com/5910612/former-nba-coach-plagiarizes-spurs-message-board-for-espncom-column

[spyder]

http://deadspin.com/5910612/former-nba-coach-plagiarizes-spurs-message-board-for-espncom-column

:lmao:lmao Dudes getting called out..:lol

[rasho8]

The heat is coming now. Lol.

[benefactor]

http://deadspin.com/5910612/former-nba-coach-plagiarizes-spurs-message-board-for-espncom-column
Boom.

[Andthentherewas21]

This better not delay the Spurs-Clippers Game 1 Grades tonight!

[Sense]

http://deadspin.com/5910612/former-nba-coach-plagiarizes-spurs-message-board-for-espncom-column

:lol that's too awesome..

it's on the main page.

[td4mvp21]

http://deadspin.com/5910612/former-nba-coach-plagiarizes-spurs-message-board-for-espncom-column

Oh shit :rollin

[DMC]

This better not delay the Spurs-Clippers Game 1 Grades tonight!
You can read them on ESPN if you have Insider.

[timvp]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

[IWantsACuatro]

Cover story on deadspin now. lol.

[Mr.Nate]

You can read them on ESPN if you have Insider.
:lmao:lmao:lmao

[lurker]

You can read them on ESPN if you have Insider.
:lol

[BanditHiro]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

timvp the merciful

[Small Fundamental]

I'd like to laugh at this. But it's disgusting that the dude is getting paid for the work of another.

[NRHector]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

hey they might call you for a job offer if he gets fired

[DMC]

Make him do the Culby rodeo for two days then have him do a 500.00 bet against Kool. That will show him.

[manufan10]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

:tu

[Ginofan]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

You're too nice LJ. Hopefully he gets some type of reprimand.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Wow!

[ElNono]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

:tu

[manufan10]

Make him do the Culby rodeo for two days then have him do a 500.00 bet against Kool. That will show him.

Have him spend a whole day watching Naruto with lakaluva.

[Obstructed_View]

Sometimes Twitter and Facebook suck, and sometimes they can get results really fast.

[DMC]

Have him spend a whole day watching Naruto with lakaluva.
Cruel and unusual punishments are outlawed in this country.

[Sense]

timvp the merciful

:lol



But seriously... it shows what kind of person LJ is as opposed to Carroll.. who didn't care to make money off of his "work".

[Obstructed_View]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

With all due respect, I hope they don't listen to your advice. It's theft, pure and simple.

[ShoogarBear]

:lol

ESPN pulled a Buddy Holly

:lol

[Small Fundamental]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.If he intentionally did take your material then he deserves to be fired. Let another up and comer get paid for really doing their homework.

[Drachen]

This makes me very happy

[DMC]

guess the number of pages this thread goes.

[manufan10]

Cruel and unusual punishments are outlawed in this country.

:lmao Forgot about that.

[Manu20]

WOW.....LJ if you get hired by ESPN can I have free insider?? lol

[spurs1990]

Just rereading Obiwan's recaps, this example sticks out as irefutable evidence. Sentence by sentence Carroll and his henchman simply reworded. Its almost stupid to believe they could pull this off. :lol

John the Pilferer

During the regular season the Clippers averaged 91.8 possessions per game. In order to defeat the Grizzlies the Clippers slowed the pace down even more, with less than 90 possessions per game. The Spurs on the other hand averaged 95.1 possessions in the first round of the playoffs versus the Jazz. However, they will struggle to speed up the pace of the game with Chris Paul in the game.

TimVP

In the regular season, the Clippers played at a pace of 91.8 possessions per game. To beat the Grizzlies, they dropped that number to under 90. The Spurs, conversely, averaged 95.1 possessions per game and they've played at the league's fastest pace so far in the playoffs. However, it's going to be next to impossible to speed up this series with Paul at the helm of the Clippers.

[NRHector]

guess the number of pages this thread goes.

hopefully until justice is serve

[Kori Ellis]

I don't want the guy fired either. But, timvp takes a lot of time to write the stuff that he writes for SpursTalk. It's not like it was "just a message board post." He spends hours re-watching games, researching, etc. He's been offered plenty of paid sports writing jobs over the years, but he does it for SpursTalk because he wants to keep it his passion, not make it his work.

So though I do think this whole incident is kind of funny, I think that it sucks for anyone to have their hard work ripped off and passed off as someone else's.

[Jared Franklin]

I guess this is payback for all of those times people posted full insider articles.

[Despot]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

Probably a moot point, if he is plagiarizing, he probably can not write worth a damn, so what will he do now that he has been called out. And Im sure that you are not the first person that he copied off of.

Anyways..... How does this go forward knowing how everyone criticizes ESPN for having horrible takes now that Timvp is a published author?

[Sense]

I don't want the guy fired either. But, timvp takes a lot of time to write the stuff that he writes for SpursTalk. It's not like it was "just a message board post." He spends hours re-watching games, researching, etc. He's been offered plenty of paid sports writing jobs over the years, but he does it for SpursTalk because he wants to keep it his passion, not make it his work.

So though I do think this whole incident is kind of funny, I think that it sucks for anyone to have their hard work ripped off and passed off as someone else's.

Completely agree....have you gotten John Carroll's email from the tweet? Or are you not worried about it anymore?


I would love to hear what he has to say about this.

[100%duncan]

Sue det bitch, LJ.

[bthewigwam]

Isn't the fastest way for espn to know about this to leave comments on the article so the mod's know? I only see one comment currently. I'd leave a comment but I get the access from a friend and don't want to involve them in any way.

[Spurtacus]

I sincerely hope the guy doesn't get fired. If you're reading this, ESPN, don't can him.

Thanks.

:tu


But lead editor for all new ESPN San Antonio would be a nice I'm sorry gift to you.

[WeNeedLength]

I guess this is payback for all of those times people posted full insider articles.

What's up John Carroll? :lol

[Kori Ellis]

Isn't the fastest way for espn to know about this to leave comments on the article so the mod's know? I only see one comment currently. I'd leave a comment but I get the access from a friend and don't want to involve them in any way.

ESPN knows about it.

[ClingingMars]

logged in to say I'm not surprised at all b/c timvp is that good at what he does.

[lefty]

Plagiarism, intellectual property, copyright, blah, blah, blah.

Go get him please

[Libri]

I don't want the guy fired either. But, timvp takes a lot of time to write the stuff that he writes for SpursTalk. It's not like it was "just a message board post." He spends hours re-watching games, researching, etc. He's been offered plenty of paid sports writing jobs over the years, but he does it for SpursTalk because he wants to keep it his passion, not make it his work.

So though I do think this whole incident is kind of funny, I think that it sucks for anyone to have their hard work ripped off and passed off as someone else's.

Maybe that's what he was thinking, "it's just a message board." How could he not realize that he could get caught, especially since SpursTalk is a high traffic forum.

[Shastafarian]

ESPN knows about it.

I'm surprised it's still up on their site. Especially after deadspin caught on.