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skulls138
05-19-2012, 07:32 PM
Does any one think that as good as the Spurs have been, they still havent tasted the full effect of what Ginobili can do? Does anyone think we'll get to see some of that?

DAF86
05-19-2012, 07:40 PM
Yeah, right now the only time he seems to get the ball on his hands is when Parker is resting and even then he shares it a lot with Neal, then he's just stands there like in his rookie season.

I don't know if this trend will change somewhere down the road but as long as we keep winning I say don't change a thing. If it isn't broke, don't fix it.

TMTTRIO
05-19-2012, 07:42 PM
I hope so but at this point I think this is the Manu we're getting. I hate those chuck up 3's he's been relying on and he hasn't been playing great off the bench and stepping up like we know he's capable of especially when Tony and Tim sit. I don't know if he has a mindset of just trying to not get hurt in the playoffs and so he's taking the backseat to everybody else. Also I've noticed that before tonight all of his minutes have been going down and staying closer to the 20 minute mark. The starters have been amazing at getting a great lead so I'm wondering if by the time he gets into the game we're already ahead by a lot so he feels like there's no reason to really play all out and give it everything he's got. Fortunately we have so much talent we really don't need him to be a huge factor for us as long as he doesn't turn the ball over a million times and start chucking up shots.

NRHector
05-19-2012, 07:48 PM
Manu doesn't have to shot to help the team, he is the intangibles king

ALVAREZ6
05-19-2012, 07:49 PM
I don't know if this trend will change somewhere down the road but as long as we keep winning I say don't change a thing. If it isn't broke, don't fix it.
There's nothing to fix, Manu simply needs to play better because he's not playing well, at all. He is still madly in love with the early 3 ball and it drives me nuts. His game has become so predictable, he either drives or chucks a three, but mainly chucks threes. He rarely gets midrange jumpers anymore, and he's not even finishing at the rim very well.

I'm fine with it for now because they don't need him to be supermanu to beat the Clippers but he has to get into a better groove soon enough or it will be tough beating the Thunder. I'm decently concerned because he's been back into the rotation for a while now and it's taking him way too long to start playing solid Manu ball.

ALVAREZ6
05-19-2012, 07:50 PM
Manu doesn't have to shot to help the team, he is the intangibles king

Lately he's the bad pass and 3-point chucking with 16+ seconds left on the clock king. He along with the 2nd rotation keep fucking up the games in this series.

Kidd K
05-19-2012, 07:53 PM
Guys, don't forget that most of the time Ginobili "chucks up a three with 16 seconds left on the shot clock", he's creating a 2 for 1 for the Spurs at the end of a quarter.

I'd rather get two average shots up than one good one.

ALVAREZ6
05-19-2012, 07:55 PM
Guys, don't forget that most of the time Ginobili "chucks up a three with 16 seconds left on the shot clock", he's creating a 2 for 1 for the Spurs at the end of a quarter.

I'd rather get 2 average shots up than one good one.

Not really, he does do that, but IDK if it's most of the time. He has been doing it during the middle of quarters and he's lucky one went in a few games back.

ElNono
05-19-2012, 07:55 PM
coasting, tbh...

DAF86
05-19-2012, 07:57 PM
There's nothing to fix, Manu simply needs to play better because he's not playing well, at all. He is still madly in love with the early 3 ball and it drives me nuts. His game has become so predictable, he either drives or chucks a three, but mainly chucks threes. He rarely gets midrange jumpers anymore, and he's not even finishing at the rim very well.

I'm fine with it for now because they don't need him to be supermanu to beat the Clippers but he has to get into a better groove soon enough or it will be tough beating the Thunder. I'm decently concerned because he's been back into the rotation for a while now and it's taking him way too long to start playing solid Manu ball.

Get back to me if he goes MIA when/if we really need him. He's just chilling out there.

jestersmash
05-19-2012, 07:57 PM
He's old.

If you gave him 25 shots a la Kobe, He could probably hit 8 or 9 of them (like Kobe) even on a bad night for his 20 points (with free throws), but he's not going to do that.

He was 4-9 from the field today and only took three 3 pointers (made 1 of them). I don't see how that constitutes him being "madly in love with the 3."

He missed like 2 point blank layups this game also, so that easily could've been 6-9 for 17 points, and nobody would've complained.

NRHector
05-19-2012, 07:57 PM
Guys, don't forget that most of the time Ginobili "chucks up a three with 16 seconds left on the shot clock", he's creating a 2 for 1 for the Spurs at the end of a quarter.

I'd rather get two average shots up than one good one.

intangibles baby

ALVAREZ6
05-19-2012, 07:59 PM
He is old, and jestersmash, those layups have been typical, not just this game. He's missing many layups he usually converts, like he used to when he was younger. I hope he is just coasting and not exerting himself too much but a lot of this that I'm bitching about is on the mental side.

I just hope he shows up next series.

NRHector
05-19-2012, 08:01 PM
coasting, tbh...

exactly :toast

DAF86
05-19-2012, 08:09 PM
BTW, 13 pts on 9 shots, 6 assts, 4 rbds and 1 blk in 30 mins is pretty damn good.

jestersmash
05-19-2012, 08:10 PM
He is old, and jestersmash, those layups have been typical, not just this game. He's missing many layups he usually converts, like he used to when he was younger. I hope he is just coasting and not exerting himself too much but a lot of this that I'm bitching about is on the mental side.

I just hope he shows up next series.

I think part of the problem with the layups is that he really doesn't get an opportunity to get into any sort of rhythm during the course of a game.

He's clearly been pushed behind Tony as the 2nd option (sometimes 3rd option if Duncan is playing well) and his touches have progressively gone down over the course of the season.

He takes about 5 shots within the 3 point line per game these days, down from around 7-8 in recent years -

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/ginobma01.html

But you know, given how streaky we know Manu can be with the 3 ball, maybe it's a good thing that he's on a poor shooting streak while we're still winning. I wouldn't put it past Manu to get hot at the right time during a tough WCF series with OKC/LA.

roycrikside
05-19-2012, 08:10 PM
He is old, and jestersmash, those layups have been typical, not just this game. He's missing many layups he usually converts, like he used to when he was younger. I hope he is just coasting and not exerting himself too much but a lot of this that I'm bitching about is on the mental side.

I just hope he shows up next series.

I wish just one time you actually looked up some numbers instead of trusting your eyes and your biased memories. Manu shot like 52% this regular season, and over 60% from two pointers. His previous career high was 47%, in 2005.

True, he didn't shoot very often this year, but overall he had a pretty phenomenal season as far his percentage when going to the basket.

SA210
05-19-2012, 08:13 PM
Manu has not been himself and it has worried me a bit...but I have faith that he will come around and take over a few games. It's in his nature.

timvp
05-19-2012, 08:15 PM
I like how this thread took all of one post to get to the "Parker doesn't pass to Ginobili" territory :lol

ALVAREZ6
05-19-2012, 08:18 PM
I just think he can play a lot better, and I know this is nothing knew with the large amount of threes but relying on the 3-ball worries me sometimes. As a team the Spurs are shooting it a lot and luckily they have been shooting it extremely well lately. They're knocking them down, normally. I think it was the 2nd half of game 2 where the main difference between the Spurs and Clippers in points was Green's 3 3-pointers falling in. It's tough to sustain such high 3-pointing shooting for many games so I am impressed, but if it dries up it takes away a significant part of the Spurs offense.

You would think a stronger team like Oklahoma City will not give up leads as easily.

DAF86
05-19-2012, 08:19 PM
I like how this thread took all of one post to get to the "Parker doesn't pass to Ginobili" territory :lol

I don't think it is because of Tony, I think it is for design.

MannyIsGod
05-19-2012, 08:31 PM
Manu was pretty damn terrible in the 1st today and was a huge reason why the Clippers got out to a huge start. Its gotten to the point to where I'm legitimately worried about him.

rascal
05-19-2012, 08:42 PM
Manu hasn't been all that great the entire year. I don't know why people are expecting much more from what you are seeing now.

SpursNextRomanEmpire
05-19-2012, 08:49 PM
He made some very bad decisions throughout the game. I kept going back and forth on whether I wanted Neal or Ginobili to come back in the game. They both played pretty sub-par today.

spurraider21
05-19-2012, 08:52 PM
It really concerns me that Manu's game hasnt been anywhere as good as it was last year. He was our leader and best player last season, and was hitting game winners and such. I think we might actually be seeing age starting to take its toll on Manu

SA210
05-19-2012, 08:55 PM
Manu hasn't been all that great the entire year. I don't know why people are expecting much more from what you are seeing now.

He started the season at an MVP level until he got hurt.

And people expect for him to come around because he's Manu Ginobili.


And I do expect him to.

NRHector
05-19-2012, 08:56 PM
Jesus Christ people, Manu will be ok.

TMTTRIO
05-19-2012, 08:59 PM
It's gotten me very concerned by now. It's one thing he struggled in the Utah series but for him to continue to struggle is not good sign. Plus he's a big reason why our bench hasn't been great recently and he's been having a lot of -'s in the +/-. Also I'm not sure I like his mental state. Lately he's been talking about who cares how he plays as long as the Spurs win but he doesn't realize that it does affect us. At this point I don't know if I'd play him much.

emanueldavidginobili
05-19-2012, 09:00 PM
He made some very bad decisions throughout the game. I kept going back and forth on whether I wanted Neal or Ginobili to come back in the game. They both played pretty sub-par today.

what? I rather have Manu in there over Neal even if Manu is 0-10 in the game.

SpursNextRomanEmpire
05-19-2012, 09:13 PM
what? I rather have Manu in there over Neal even if Manu is 0-10 in the game.

For the most part yeah, I agree. When both start making mistakes, they tend to snowball (the end of the first quarter). Obviously Manu got better later in the game.

SpursNextRomanEmpire
05-19-2012, 09:14 PM
what? I rather have Manu in there over Neal even if Manu is 0-10 in the game.

Oh, I see your name.

DAF86
05-19-2012, 09:18 PM
I really don't see much wrong with Manu tbh. He's just not getting as many touches and playing as many minutes as he used to.

tmtcsc
05-19-2012, 09:19 PM
Haven't we had this discussion before ? He's going to be fine. As we get deeper and the stakes get higher, Manu will be at his best.

All will be forgotten when he's nails against the Thunder or Lakers ON THE ROAD.

bulakenyo
05-19-2012, 09:19 PM
He's one of the few elite NBA players who can elevate his game when the need arises.
One of my all time favourite basketball players.

He's like the Spurs all around handyman/utility guy. He patches up all the holes.

Right now, he's not as needed. You guys shouldn't worry.

smeagol
05-19-2012, 09:19 PM
There's nothing to fix, Manu simply needs to play better because he's not playing well, at all. He is still madly in love with the early 3 ball and it drives me nuts. His game has become so predictable, he either drives or chucks a three, but mainly chucks threes. He rarely gets midrange jumpers anymore, and he's not even finishing at the rim very well.

I'm fine with it for now because they don't need him to be supermanu to beat the Clippers but he has to get into a better groove soon enough or it will be tough beating the Thunder. I'm decently concerned because he's been back into the rotation for a while now and it's taking him way too long to start playing solid Manu ball.

Mid range jumpers were never a reliable part of his arsenal. His passing is crisp, his driving is OK and he has fallen in love with the three pointer for a couple of seasons now. There is nothing to worry about.

TDMVPDPOY
05-19-2012, 09:27 PM
im tellin yah, tp should limit his stupid shot selections and pass it around more

gino hasnt done much besides take away shots from neal, jax...while he does create for diaw and splitter, spurs should continue with better ball movement and not overdoing the extra pass leading to shot violations....

Bruno
05-19-2012, 09:32 PM
Manu's FG% is .394 and his 3P% is .281 in these playoffs. That's bad. You can find him whatever excuses you want but it's as simple as he isn't shooting the ball well.

Spurs have been able to win with this so-so Ginobili but he will need to raise his level at some point of these playoffs when Spurs will face better teams. The good news is that history tell us he will be able to do so.

therealtruth
05-19-2012, 09:32 PM
I think it's wrong to just look at his scoring. Manu's always been excellent at contributing even if he's not scoring whether it's his defense, assisting, or rebounding.

bulakenyo
05-19-2012, 09:36 PM
Manu's FG% is .394 and his 3P% is .281 in these playoffs. That's bad. You can find him whatever excuses you want but it's as simple as he isn't shooting the ball well.

Spurs have been able to win with this so-so Ginobili but he will need to raise his level at some point of these playoffs when Spurs will face better teams. The good news is that history tell us he will be able to do so.

I don't think he's turned it on, full throttle yet.

Like a boxer, warming up with shadow boxing before a fight.
Slowly building up a sweat and getting loose.

Not as precise or as sharp or as focused as he is, when the Spurs are life and death, but he's getting there, I think.

TMTTRIO
05-19-2012, 09:42 PM
Manu should be playing well against these teams. Do you really believe that Manu will play better when we have to face a tougher more defensive team?

DAF86
05-19-2012, 09:49 PM
Manu's FG% is .394 and his 3P% is .281 in these playoffs. That's bad. You can find him whatever excuses you want but it's as simple as he isn't shooting the ball well.

Spurs have been able to win with this so-so Ginobili but he will need to raise his level at some point of these playoffs when Spurs will face better teams. The good news is that history tell us he will be able to do so.

Parker is shooting the ball pretty bad too on this series (35% from the floor, 16% from three) but you don't see people starting threads about him 'cause he takes more shots and his numbers remain good. Outside of shooting and some tournovers Manu is playing well, if he would be playing like this on loses then yes, it would be reason for concern.

Bruno
05-19-2012, 10:14 PM
Parker is shooting the ball pretty bad too on this series (35% from the floor, 16% from three) but you don't see people starting threads about him 'cause he takes more shots and his numbers remain good. Outside of shooting and some tournovers Manu is playing well, if he would be playing like this on loses then yes, it would be reason for concern.

Well, you take a 3 games sample size that feature an horrible shooting game.

FYI, Ginobili isn't taking less shots than usual. He is at 14.6 FGA per 40 minutes which is about his playoffs average number. Manu has been fine in these playoffs but nothing more. Deal with it instead of trying to find some crappy excuses.

DAF86
05-19-2012, 10:17 PM
Well, you take a 3 games sample size that feature an horrible shooting game.

FYI, Ginobili isn't taking less shots than usual. He is at 14.6 FGA per 40 minutes which is about his playoffs average number. Manu has been fine in these playoffs but nothing more. Deal with it instead of trying to find some crappy excuses.

Well retard, that's exactly what I said, so shut the fuck up. Someday you will deal with the fact that Manu is more liked than Parker, 'till then don't bust my balls. Thank you very much and go fuck yourself.

rascal
05-19-2012, 10:20 PM
He started the season at an MVP level until he got hurt.

And people expect for him to come around because he's Manu Ginobili.


And I do expect him to.

Not even close to MVP level . He would have to be scoring close to 30 points a game to be MVP level.

thispego
05-19-2012, 10:20 PM
:lmao

Bruno
05-19-2012, 10:21 PM
Well retard, that's exactly what I said, so shut the fuck up. Someday you will deal with the fact that Manu is more liked than Parker, 'till then don't bust my balls. Thank you very much and go fuck yourself.

Wow :lol

DAF86
05-19-2012, 10:22 PM
Wow :lol

:lol I'm drunk. I thought it would be funny. And it was.

Bill_Brasky
05-19-2012, 10:28 PM
Manu should be playing well against these teams. Do you really believe that Manu will play better when we have to face a tougher more defensive team?

Yup.

Solid D
05-19-2012, 10:40 PM
Manu did fine in Game 1 of the series with 22 points in 27 minutes but his 3-point shooting has been downright awful. Due to Manu's cold hand in Game 2, he had to become more of a facilitator and he did a fine job of that without turning the ball over. Game 3 would have been extremely forgetable for Ginobili if he hadn't been part of the team that set the NBA record for the largest comeback of a 1st quarter deficit.

He'll figure things out, even if he isn't shooting that well right now. But let's not give the other bench players a pass on this one. The Spurs bench have been outscored by the Clippers' bench in each of the 3 games. That's outplayed in each game and overall by an average of 6.33 ppg. Those who argued that the Spurs had a better bench than the Clippers going into this series have had their eyes opened.

InK
05-20-2012, 01:35 AM
Well, he isnt playing like he did last season during regular season and even with a broken hand Manu was playing better then this years version. We will see what happens, hopefully he gets it going in the OKC series. Just toning down a notch on some of those half-impossible passes + a bit less of that step back 3's and id be happy

MannyIsGod
05-20-2012, 01:41 AM
Its perfectly fine to hope for Manu to turn things around but I think its funny anyone would ever use the excuse that he's saving himself or that he "hasn't turned it on all the way". Manu doesn't save himself in meaningless regular season games and you think he's not trying his best out there right now? That's just ridiculous.

slayermin
05-20-2012, 01:48 AM
Hopefully he'll even things out in the playoffs. During the regular season, he was killing it on the percentages.

mookie2001
05-20-2012, 01:53 AM
He is struggling out there, this is as bad as I've seen healthy manu play. He should consider retirement if he can't pick it up

ElNono
05-20-2012, 01:54 AM
Its perfectly fine to hope for Manu to turn things around but I think its funny anyone would ever use the excuse that he's saving himself or that he "hasn't turned it on all the way". Manu doesn't save himself in meaningless regular season games and you think he's not trying his best out there right now? That's just ridiculous.

coasting, tbh... letting Kwami shine... :lol

SA210
05-20-2012, 02:27 AM
Not even close to MVP level . He would have to be scoring close to 30 points a game to be MVP level.

Whatever dude, Manu started the season very strong

Spurs21Fan4Ever
05-20-2012, 02:39 AM
I think part of the problem is he is playing out of his position, same with Neal. Ginobili is at his best at the SG position, not the PG. He is great when coming off of screens. When he catches the pass after going through a screen, he's great at recognizing when to take the three or pump fake. Besides, don't forget about his passing. The only thing he does well at the PG position is the pick & roll, and it seems he can do it with almost anyone on the team. We've seen Parker only do it with Duncan, but we've seen Ginobili do it with Duncan, Splitter, and Diaw this post-season. Don't worry about Ginobili, he'll be fine. Ginobili will show up when needed most, like game 4 against the Jazz when he came in after the starters struggled a bit. That's the type of player Ginobili is.

Spurs21Fan4Ever
05-20-2012, 02:42 AM
Also, don't forget that Ginobili is working with the bench mostly while Parker is working with the starters.

Whisky Dog
05-20-2012, 02:48 AM
The shooting will come and go so we can just hope it comes around and he gets hot.

The stupid turnovers need to be reduced. That's the main thing he's f'd up

Spursfanfromafar
05-20-2012, 03:27 AM
Manu has done well, when our main option TP has faltered.. as in Game 1.. Thats what I am bothered about.. and will take.

What matters most is that Manu picks up the slack if the main options in Tim and Tony aren't themselves for whatever reason. And even the limited sample of the six games so far with a mediocre Manu suggests that there isn't a case of too much worry. Manu is contributing well as a facilitator and an energy guy even when he is not shooting well enough.. and that is propitious.

Hard to find a weak link when your team wins 17 games in a row, though.. So guys.. stop the cribbing.

Dingle Barry
05-20-2012, 04:24 AM
:lol I'm drunk. I thought it would be funny. And it was.

That was one of those posts you won't find funny tomorrow if you come across it.

TampaDude
05-20-2012, 08:45 AM
coasting, tbh...

:toast

SenorSpur
05-20-2012, 09:30 AM
He made some very bad decisions throughout the game. I kept going back and forth on whether I wanted Neal or Ginobili to come back in the game. They both played pretty sub-par today.

Quite frankly, Manu's decision-making has been and can be suspect in any game that he's not playing well. From forcing ill-advised entry passes, to carelessly turning the ball over or chucking up the 3's early in the shot clock, it's really been painful to watch.

The fact that the Spurs have been rolling despite Manu's struggles are a true testimony as to who deep and good this team really is.

For his sake and the sake of his confidence, I hope Manu turns it around soon.

emanueldavidginobili
05-20-2012, 10:23 AM
He's going to have to bring his A game next series and win the matchup between him and James Harden, its going to be fun to watch

Brazil
05-20-2012, 11:17 AM
We will need Manu badly against OKC to contain and match Harden production especially in the fourth. Harden is OKC playmaker to end the games, Manu will have his hand full with him. I'm sure he is going to respond to the challenge.

oh and :lol @DAF mini meltdown
Usually when you are drunk you cannot hide your real feelings
:lol TP hater
:lol you can't deal with the fact than manu is more liked
:lol saying that to Bruno who of all French is the one who cares less about TP love/hate

CGD
05-20-2012, 11:22 AM
Maybe.

It would be nice for Sjax to wake up though.

8FOR!3
05-20-2012, 11:23 AM
I think you guys are being a little hard on Ginobili. If anything he deserves some more respect than a lot of ya'll are showing.

Pauleta14
05-20-2012, 11:25 AM
BTW, 13 pts on 9 shots, 6 assts, 4 rbds and 1 blk in 30 mins is pretty damn good.

this.

and he's coasting imo...

ALVAREZ6
05-20-2012, 12:19 PM
Its perfectly fine to hope for Manu to turn things around but I think its funny anyone would ever use the excuse that he's saving himself or that he "hasn't turned it on all the way". Manu doesn't save himself in meaningless regular season games and you think he's not trying his best out there right now? That's just ridiculous.
I agree with this.


Everyone thinks he is completely fine, just wait until the WCF because the Thunder are a much stronger opponent than the Clippers or Jazz. The Thunder play strong individual and team defense. Their bigs can block shots down low and Manu will inevitably be guarded by James Harden for a lot of that series, and I think Harden could make things tough for Manu.

I would love to be proven wrong, and Manu will need to step up vs OKC.

JRHernandez88
05-20-2012, 12:36 PM
Manu Ginobili will shine when the road gets rough. We have yet to be challenged by any opponyent and that's when the ultimate competitor will come out.

DAF86
05-20-2012, 06:05 PM
We will need Manu badly against OKC to contain and match Harden production especially in the fourth. Harden is OKC playmaker to end the games, Manu will have his hand full with him. I'm sure he is going to respond to the challenge.

oh and :lol @DAF mini meltdown
Usually when you are drunk you cannot hide your real feelings
:lol TP hater
:lol you can't deal with the fact than manu is more liked
:lol saying that to Bruno who of all French is the one who cares less about TP love/hate

:lol In what fucking part did I hate TP?

timvp
05-20-2012, 07:04 PM
I don't worry about Manu Ginobili right. The day I'll start worrying is when the Spurs need him to deliver and he doesn't. So far, the Spurs haven't needed much from him so the fact that he hasn't given a huge amount isn't concerning.

Besides, I like the fact that this playoff run is almost exactly like the 2007 playoff run:

Manu Ginobili's First 7 Games of 2012 Playoff Run
25.9 minutes
11.3 points
3.4 rebounds
4.6 assists
2.3 turnovers
39.4% from the field
28.1% on three-pointers

Manu Ginobili's First 7 Games of 2007 Playoff Run
27.8 minutes
11.6 points
5.6 rebounds
4.0 assists
1.9 turnovers
32.5% from the field
25% on three-pointers


:wow Pretty damn similar, tbh.


Let's hope Ginobili can have anywhere near the success he had to close out the 2007 playoffs:

Manu Ginobili's Final 13 Games of 2007 Playoff Run
31.3 minutes
19.4 points
5.4 rebounds
3.5 assists
2.2 turnovers
43.5% from the field
43.7% on three-pointers



With Ginobili, I'm confident he'll eventually heat up. He always has at some point in the playoffs. And if I got to pick a time to heat up, it'd be in the WCF. Ginobili isn't the type of player who stays hot for looooong stretches so instead of being needlessly hot now I hope he catches fire in the WCF.

Solid D
05-20-2012, 10:19 PM
^ I missed seeing this. Interesting comparison and very nice background work, timvp.

pgardn
05-20-2012, 10:47 PM
His D relies almost exclusively on experience now.

He just cant move his feet laterally like he used to.

He still comes up with a heck of a lot of loose balls and I have no idea how he does this. I guess his hands have not slowed down like his feet have.

Horse
05-20-2012, 10:57 PM
Makes me wonder if he really is healthy.

slick'81
05-20-2012, 11:03 PM
getting ball outta manus hands more isnt a bad thing as much as hes turning it over

TMTTRIO
05-21-2012, 12:02 AM
Manu's been so bad and making horrible decisions to go along with it I'm not sure if I want him to get much time in the next series of games. Might as well go with the young guys.

OldSilentHill
05-21-2012, 12:39 AM
TP had 6 TO tonight...

Manu will step up against OK, book it.

ducks
05-21-2012, 12:43 AM
the shooters will be able to hit the guym and practice their shooting

DAF86
05-21-2012, 01:36 AM
Is there a way to know the results of Manu when he initially goes to the right on the pick and roll compared to when he goes left?

It seems to me that he gets to the rim more often when he starts going to the right and midroad changes to the left. When he goes to his left since the beginning he's not able to turn the corner and has to pass the ball.

SA210
05-21-2012, 01:38 AM
I don't worry about Manu Ginobili right. The day I'll start worrying is when the Spurs need him to deliver and he doesn't. So far, the Spurs haven't needed much from him so the fact that he hasn't given a huge amount isn't concerning.

Besides, I like the fact that this playoff run is almost exactly like the 2007 playoff run:

Manu Ginobili's First 7 Games of 2012 Playoff Run
25.9 minutes
11.3 points
3.4 rebounds
4.6 assists
2.3 turnovers
39.4% from the field
28.1% on three-pointers

Manu Ginobili's First 7 Games of 2007 Playoff Run
27.8 minutes
11.6 points
5.6 rebounds
4.0 assists
1.9 turnovers
32.5% from the field
25% on three-pointers


:wow Pretty damn similar, tbh.


Let's hope Ginobili can have anywhere near the success he had to close out the 2007 playoffs:

Manu Ginobili's Final 13 Games of 2007 Playoff Run
31.3 minutes
19.4 points
5.4 rebounds
3.5 assists
2.2 turnovers
43.5% from the field
43.7% on three-pointers



With Ginobili, I'm confident he'll eventually heat up. He always has at some point in the playoffs. And if I got to pick a time to heat up, it'd be in the WCF. Ginobili isn't the type of player who stays hot for looooong stretches so instead of being needlessly hot now I hope he catches fire in the WCF.

:tu In Manu, I trust

TJastal
05-21-2012, 02:03 AM
Not really, he does do that, but IDK if it's most of the time. He has been doing it during the middle of quarters and he's lucky one went in a few games back.

Not sure what games you have been watching but in the games I've seen Manu has been vintage and carrying the 2nd unit. When he's not harassing guys into turnovers out on the perimeter or grabbing tough contested rebounds he's been a constant threat to get into the paint and get a hoop or the harm. He's also setting the table for other guys at a good clip.

The problems in the 2nd unit have been mostly due to everyone else. Splitter & Bonner in particular I thought have played below par on both sides. Bonner has predictably wilted and Tiago looks unsure of himself (and can't shoot a free throw anymore).

timvp
05-27-2012, 10:34 PM
I don't worry about Manu Ginobili right. The day I'll start worrying is when the Spurs need him to deliver and he doesn't. So far, the Spurs haven't needed much from him so the fact that he hasn't given a huge amount isn't concerning.

Besides, I like the fact that this playoff run is almost exactly like the 2007 playoff run:

Manu Ginobili's First 7 Games of 2012 Playoff Run
25.9 minutes
11.3 points
3.4 rebounds
4.6 assists
2.3 turnovers
39.4% from the field
28.1% on three-pointers

Manu Ginobili's First 7 Games of 2007 Playoff Run
27.8 minutes
11.6 points
5.6 rebounds
4.0 assists
1.9 turnovers
32.5% from the field
25% on three-pointers


:wow Pretty damn similar, tbh.


Let's hope Ginobili can have anywhere near the success he had to close out the 2007 playoffs:

Manu Ginobili's Final 13 Games of 2007 Playoff Run
31.3 minutes
19.4 points
5.4 rebounds
3.5 assists
2.2 turnovers
43.5% from the field
43.7% on three-pointers



With Ginobili, I'm confident he'll eventually heat up. He always has at some point in the playoffs. And if I got to pick a time to heat up, it'd be in the WCF. Ginobili isn't the type of player who stays hot for looooong stretches so instead of being needlessly hot now I hope he catches fire in the WCF.

Manu Ginobili just being Manu Ginobili, tbh.

tmtcsc
05-27-2012, 11:51 PM
Haven't we had this discussion before ? He's going to be fine. As we get deeper and the stakes get higher, Manu will be at his best.

All will be forgotten when he's nails against the Thunder or Lakers ON THE ROAD.

This.

NRHector
05-28-2012, 12:05 AM
any doubters out there?