Green's status for next year.

[picnroll]

How will the Spurs re-sign Green next year? What are the scenarios?

[timvp]

He'll be a restricted free agent so the Spurs can match.





Good to see picnroll posting. One of my favorites, tbh :tu

[Spurs4#5]

are they able to match even it puts them over the cap?

[jesterbobman]

A couple of things about the new CBA after a quick read of Larry Coon's FAQ.

* First, the biggest change for Spurs this summer is regarding Danny Green Qualifying Offer.


http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q48
If a second round pick or undrafted player met the starter criteria following his second or third season in the league, his qualifying offer equals the amount of the qualifying offer applicable to the 21st pick in the first round of the same draft class, if this amount is higher than the qualifying offer he otherwise would have received.

Danny Green has started 38 games of a 66 games season. He met the "starter criteria".

Green was a second round pick of the 2009 draft. His qualifying offer is $3,342,175. It's fully guaranteed like all the QO in the new CBA.

This biggest QO has two consequences. It's less obvious for Spurs to tender the QO but given how well Green has played, they will likely offer it. If Green doesn't get a contract offer he likes this summer, it will be easier for him to accept the QO and try again to get a big contract next summer when he will be an UFA.


Bruno from the Think tank thread. So basically, he'll sign for his QO of 3.3M, or a contract for longer term, hopefully with the Spurs, but could be elsewhere if another team offers well above mid level(I don't think the Spurs would want to pay Afflalo money, especially with potential capspace coming in a year).

[Knoxxx]

Well I think we have early bird rights so we can re-sign him at up the league average salary, usually around $5 million per year. I don't think another team is allowed to offer him more than that either. If I have all that right, sound like we can make him a small qualifying offer of $1 million, then wait and see what offers he gets and simply match those if we want.

In other words, we may just be sitting pretty with Green. Since the CBA has not been release to the public, I am just interpreting Wikipedia and hoping it is correct.

[Knoxxx]

Bruno from the Think tank thread. So basically, he'll sign for his QO of 3.3M, or a contract for longer term, hopefully with the Spurs, but could be elsewhere if another team offers well above mid level(I don't think the Spurs would want to pay Afflalo money, especially with potential capspace coming in a year).

OK new info on the QO, which would still be a nice price for Green. Still not sure another team can offer more than the league average salary or MLE, which should be close to the same amount.

[Bruno]

He'll be a restricted free agent so the Spurs can match.


That's half true.

If a team offers Green a contract whose starting salary is above the league average salary which will be around $5.1M or $5.2M, Spurs won't be able to match and will automatically lose Green.

[tesseractive]

Bruno from the Think tank thread. So basically, he'll sign for his QO of 3.3M, or a contract for longer term, hopefully with the Spurs, but could be elsewhere if another team offers well above mid level(I don't think the Spurs would want to pay Afflalo money, especially with potential capspace coming in a year).

I really like Danny Green, but if someone offers him a contract over midlevel, they can have him. He's a solid defender who can hit the long ball and do a few other things, but he'll never be a star, and we shouldn't devote that kind of cap to him.

[therealtruth]

Green has always been an intangibles guy. He provides more value to a winning team. I am not sure there will be a huge market for him.

[timvp]

That's half true.

If a team offers Green a contract whose starting salary is above the league average salary which will be around $5.1M or $5.2M, Spurs won't be able to match and will automatically lose Green.

I assumed Green was covered in the new Gilbert Arenas Rule. But it looks like that rule only applies for players with two or less years in the league. So because Green played 8 games last year, he wouldn't be protected ... if I'm understanding the rule correctly.

The good news is that the only way he makes more than $5 million a year is if he explodes along the path to the Spurs winning a championship. I can live with losing Danny Green if it means championship No. 5, tbh.

[Marcus Bryant]

Definitely a playoff performer. He hit some key shots today and usually he finishes around the rim well. Can't see someone throwing big money at him.

If I had to guess we'll probably lose Jack - Diaw is a must to re-sign with the MLE. Lots of noise about Lorbek but the attraction is that you can get a big for half the price. The Spurs already have that guy in Splitter.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I assumed Green was covered in the new Gilbert Arenas Rule. But it looks like that rule only applies for players with two or less years in the league. So because Green played 8 games last year, he wouldn't be protected ... if I'm understanding the rule correctly.

The good news is that the only way he makes more than $5 million a year is if he explodes along the path to the Spurs winning a championship. I can live with losing Danny Green if it means championship No. 5, tbh.

i say you resign him, duncan would opt for a paycut half what his earning now, with scrubs like anderson and blair fckn off somewhere else....take the tax hit for one year since ginoboli and jax are expiring

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Losing Danny does not matter of we win the title this year

[DPG21920]

That's half true.

If a team offers Green a contract whose starting salary is above the league average salary which will be around $5.1M or $5.2M, Spurs won't be able to match and will automatically lose Green.

What is this rule?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Losing Danny does not matter of we win the title this year

givin up the chance to repeat?

or giving up the chance to hold onto something to build for the future once duncan retires?

[Bruno]

What is this rule?

It's called the Early Bird Exception:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

[Bruno]

The threat of a team offering Green more than $5M per year is more a hypothetical threat than a true one. Teams should hesitate to give him a lot of money because they will likely see him as a product of Spurs system with a limited upside.

[GSH]

One of the team owners this past week said that his biggest concern for next season is being able to keep Green. Maybe nobody will offer that much, but the Spurs FO is sweating it.

[DPG21920]

It's called the Early Bird Exception:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25


If the player is a restricted free agent with two years of service and qualifies for the Early Bird exception, then the player's prior team may use the Early Bird exception to match an offer sheet he receives from another team (see question numbers 43 and 44). This is true even if the starting salary for the Early Bird exception is lower than the starting salary of an offer sheet, which is based on the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception.



I don't see whereit says the spurs can't match any offer sheet?

[InK]

The threat of a team offering Green more than $5M per year is more a hypothetical threat than a true one. Teams should hesitate to give him a lot of money because they will likely see him as a product of Spurs system with a limited upside.

Yeah thats true to a certain extend, but if the kid keeps coming through at crunchtime like he has been doing last few months, its hard to see how his value wouldnt balloon up beyond that mark. George Hill, another product of the system is making the Pacers FO feel really good about themselves these days. That fact along with Greens stellar play might just be enough for A team on brink of contention to pull the trigger and throw ML at him.

[Mal]

The threat of a team offering Green more than $5M per year is more a hypothetical threat than a true one. Teams should hesitate to give him a lot of money because they will likely see him as a product of Spurs system with a limited upside.

There are plenty of stupid GMs.

Green is great here, in Spurs uniform. But does, unproven (elsewhere) guy, with one great season, in specific system, is worth 5yrs / 35 mil ? :greedy

[picnroll]

A guy with Green's defensive versatility is hard to find, often comes by way of a pretty high draft pick. I really hope the Spurs can keep him along with Diaw. Maybe Jack will tell him about the downside of chasing money.

[Bruno]

I don't see whereit says the spurs can't match any offer sheet?

Green has three years of service. This rule "called the "Gilbert Arenas" rule doesn't apply to him.

[InK]

There are plenty of stupid GMs.

Green is great here, in Spurs uniform. But does, unproven (elsewhere) guy, with one great season, in specific system, is worth 5yrs / 35 mil ? :greedy

Well apparently 5yrs/28-30m would do the trick. And w can hardly resent a unproven (elsewhere) guy, with one great season, in specific system not to take a few extra mill, can we?

Anyways it would suck real bad to loose him, Diaw, Green, Kawhi, Splitter are the 4 guys that really need to be brought back. Dont give a shit about the rest, but loosing any of these 4 makes us significantly worse imo.

[Bruno]

Something else to consider is what Green want. He might be ready to take a little discount to stay with Spurs, a winning team where he fits well. Spurs max offer for him would be around $23M for 4 years. He might rather go with that than with, for example, a $26M/4 years offer from another team. Now if a team goes with $30M over 4 years, he should left the team.

And it's also true with Diaw. Spurs will only be able to offer him $21.35M over 4 years. If he continues like that in these playoffs, another team could offer him more but Diaw could still decide to re-sign with Spurs for less money.

[dunkman]

Green and Diaw are starters, the Spurs must keep them. It's also important to bring Lorbek, since Duncan won't be playing for long. Logically, Duncan is perhaps a top 5, top 10 all-time player that even Dwight Howard couldn't replace. However, the Spurs need to add talented bigs and they have the opportunity with Diaw and Lorbek.

Perhaps it would be better to add Lorbek than keep Green, since finding a talented SG may be less problematic, than finding a talented PF/C.

[InK]

Green and Diaw are starters, the Spurs must keep them. It's also important to bring Lorbek, since Duncan won't be playing for long.

I dont think Lorbek comes to a stacked rooster with no chance of playing time. Dont think he cares as much about the money ( he can get more $ in Barca then on the Spurs) as he cares about the playing time; so if Diaw stays i think Lorbek is gone.

[therealtruth]

Yeah thats true to a certain extend, but if the kid keeps coming through at crunchtime like he has been doing last few months, its hard to see how his value wouldnt balloon up beyond that mark. George Hill, another product of the system is making the Pacers FO feel really good about themselves these days. That fact along with Greens stellar play might just be enough for A team on brink of contention to pull the trigger and throw ML at him.

Bird had had his eye on George Hill for a while. There's no indication of that with Green.

[dunkman]

I dont think Lorbek comes to a stacked rooster with no chance of playing time. Dont think he cares as much about the money ( he can get more $ in Barca then on the Spurs) as he cares about the playing time; so if Diaw stays i think Lorbek is gone.

The Spurs wont give him playtime guaranties, if he wants to play, he would need to play better than Bonner and Blair.

[InK]

Bird had had his eye on George Hill for a while. There's no indication of that with Green.

What i was saying is that the "product of the (Spurs) system is not going to be as productive elsewhere" line of thought has lost some value with the way Hill is playing for the Pacers. And with Green i dont really think thats a major issue anyways, its more his inexperience and 1 year in the league that would scare teams away.

[InK]

The Spurs wont give him playtime guaranties, if he wants to play, he would need to play better than Bonner and Blair.

On the current rooster his competition would be Blair, Bonner at the point is a few minutes specialist who will get his those minutes till Pop gets bored of him. And beating Blair out of his playing time would give him what, a few garbage minutes here and there. Dont think that would be enough for someone who got named into Euro's first all team.

Diaw and Splitter are just better natural fits for the Spurs then Lorbek is tbh.

[Andthentherewas21]

I don't think Green will get much beyond 4-4.5mil a year. He is a guy that does a lot of things good but not great. He is a glue guy. He can't create his own shot, hes a good individual defender but isn't really a lock-down defender, but he can knockdown an outside shot, and hustles.

The problem is, he is too expensive for the super-teams (NY, MIA) or the Lakers (not super but in capspace hell), and he doesn't have the veteran leadership and experience for the up-and-comers (Jazz, Timberwolves, Kings). There is a pretty limited market for him, and teams like the 76ers, Blazers, ect already have guys similar to Green. There is going to be a limited market for him.

[tesseractive]

On the current rooster his competition would be Blair, Bonner at the point is a few minutes specialist who will get his those minutes till Pop gets bored of him. And beating Blair out of his playing time would give him what, a few garbage minutes here and there. Dont think that would be enough for someone who got named into Euro's first all team.

Diaw and Splitter are just better natural fits for the Spurs then Lorbek is tbh.

Lorbek should be a perfectly workable backup to Diaw once he acclimates. Give Splitter more minutes by keeping Timmy's minutes low but don't play him with Tim much, and give Lorbek Bonner's role as Diaw's backup. He can post up as well as hit shots so he would be a natural complement to Splitter playing the roll man. His defender can't leave him because he can pop out for a shot, but if they put a small on him, he can back his man down.

[InK]

Lorbek should be a perfectly workable backup to Diaw once he acclimates. Give Splitter more minutes by keeping Timmy's minutes low but don't play him with Tim much, and give Lorbek Bonner's role as Diaw's backup. He can post up as well as hit shots so he would be a natural complement to Splitter playing the roll man. His defender can't leave him because he can pop out for a shot, but if they put a small on him, he can back his man down.

Well that seems to be around 10mins for him and Bonner to fight over, since we are going small ball for good stretches. What im saying is that its unlikely that Lorbek comes to the NBA team in which the ideal scenario is that he completely pushes Bonner out of the rotation and gets to play 10mins a game for less money then he would make in Europe.

[Dingle Barry]

Regardless of what he's proven he can do, I think such a small sample size comes with flash in the pan risk that will scare teams away.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pretty much agree with Andthentherewas21's post..

He's a versatile, all-around player, but none of his skills stand out..slightly above average defensive player, good spot-up shooter, good intangibles..his floor game is lacking and he's inconsistent at finishing at the rim..

I can't see many teams lining up for a big offer, unless he plays at a ridiculous level in the WCFs and Finals..

It would benefit both parties, Green and the Spurs, if they can agree on a reasonable deal, considering he fits the system very well..

[tesseractive]

Well that seems to be around 10mins for him and Bonner to fight over, since we are going small ball for good stretches. What im saying is that its unlikely that Lorbek comes to the NBA team in which the ideal scenario is that he completely pushes Bonner out of the rotation and gets to play 10mins a game for less money then he would make in Europe.

That would certainly makes sense. Even if he were rocking 15 minutes as the backup it still wouldn't be ideal for him, I'm sure.

It would be a shame to lose out on him, but if that's the price for landing Diaw and getting our shot at winning it all this year, I'll take it.