..does Obama deserve 4 more years?

[mouse]

why not?

[Yonivore]

why not?
He didn't deserve the first four.

[RandomGuy]

Does Romney deserve 4 years at all?

I shudder to think about giving the executive branch to another bunch of ideological retards. Bush was bad enough, and the extremists pushing the GOP's buttons are even worse today.

[spursncowboys]

why not?
Wouldn't it be why?

[boutons_deux]

America doesn't deserve another Repug Reign of Error and Terror. Implementing Ryan's sociopathic budget will kill 10s of 1000s of babies and people.

[SA210]

He didn't deserve the last 4

[Wild Cobra]

Obama should have never been president in the first place. He had very little, if any, executive experience.

[EVAY]

The question is one we all face with any incumbent, and for those of us who are not ideologically tied to one of the main parties (i.e., we are not going to vote for or against anybody based on the R or D after their name), the answer is almost universally NO.

But then we look at the alternative, and once again have to decide which of two perceived ills we consider less.

I don't know who I'm going to vote for (or against).

But Obama has done little (not nothing but not very much) to deserve four more years.

And if I had a clue that Romney had leadership abilities to control his tea-partier defined congress, I wouldn't mind voting for him.

But I have no such imaginings regarding Romney. The man seems to have no core. He will lean democratic when he has a democratic legislature and will proclaim "severe conservatism" when he wants to placate his base. So what will he do with a Republican (tea-party) congress? I want no part of that.

So I don't even know if I am going to vote. It really doesn't make any difference in Texas anyway. Romney will take the state decisively and without having to sweat it.

[boutons_deux]

Obama should have never been president in the first place. He had very little, if any, executive experience.

Your lover boy "decider" had no executive experience.

[Wild Cobra]

Your lover boy "decider" had no executive experience.

Are you really that daft?

What6 do you call being governor for 6 years?

What do you call being a commissioned officer in the military?

What do you call receiving a Masters in Business administration?

What executive experience did Obama have other than a Community Leader, and is that considered executive experience?

[mavs>spurs]

If you tards vote obama then you deserve what comes to you while I'm busy apying for dual citizenship elsewhere

[Venti Quattro]

no, but neither does Romney.

[Reck]

I'll take 4 more Obama years than 4 new ones of Romney. Such an easy decision..

In my opinion Obama hasn't done good nor bad. Just imagine what that fucktard Romney would do. I cant even think about that tbh

[mavs>spurs]

Obama saving his worst for after reelection u tard

[mavs>spurs]

Get ready for wide scale legalization of illegals, wars, and drones flying over your houses spying on u, maybe some more bailouts and the continued whittling away at our civil liberties. NDAA here we come.

[Twisted_Dawg]

When Obama took over, the #1 issue/problem to be addressed was the fucked up economy he inherited from Bush.

He has had four years to improve things and he has failed. We have an anemic GDP of 2, real unemployment (U6) of 15%, & $5 trillion of additional debt added.

Coaches are fired if they don't improve a team after 4 years.

If Romney does not measureable improve the economy, he too will be fired after 4 years.

[Nbadan]

I'll take 4 more Obama years than 4 new ones of Romney. Such an easy decision..

In my opinion Obama hasn't done good nor bad. Just imagine what that fucktard Romney would do. I cant even think about that tbh

The lesser of two evils, but what has Obama really done to not deserve another four years?

[SA210]

4 more years of bombing babies and innocent civilians in other countries and pretending we are innocent? Nah, I'll pass.

[Nbadan]

Killed Osama
Brought back thousands of troops from Iraq
About to bring back thousands of troops from Afghanistan
Saved the economy from collapse and two decades of a worthless currency and super high energy prices
Brought the Supreme Court back to the ideological middle with the nomination of the first hispanic woman to the SCOTUS
Cracked down on illegal Immigration more than any GOP President
Refused to enforce NDAA, despite the GOP Congresses insistance he do so...
Working on bring down fuel costs by cracking down on speculators
Calling for tougher enforcement on investment firms after the recent Citibank fiasco
Eliminated DADT and called for the fair treatment of same sex couples
Passes affordable healthcare for everyone..

All this is historic legislation....

The list goes on and on....

[Nbadan]

4 more years of bombing babies and innocent civilians in other countries and pretending we are innocent? Nah, I'll pass.

What about the million babies which were killed during the Bush41 Iraq war and by enforcing the No-FLY zone? Those babies died for a good cause?

Hypocrite..

[Nbadan]

:lmao as if it matters to foreign military policy who wins between Obama-Romney

Do we have combat troops in Iran? SEE it does matter...

[mavs>spurs]

:lmao

Obama gonwax dettt GOP ass and you kent stand it!

nothing could ever possibly be more fitting than you being an obama supporter. anything else just wouldn't fly in the face of reality.

[SA210]

What about the million babies which were killed during the Bush41 Iraq war and by enforcing the No-FLY zone? Those babies died for a good cause?

Hypocrite..

:lol Nbadan, I'm usually on ur side on MOST issues, and ur one of my fave posters..calm down there buddy. I guess you don't remember how much of a Bush hater i have always been?????

Just because I tell the truth about a lying Obama does not mean I'm a Bush backer. I'm surprised you would even associate me with that kind of thinking, ever.

The problem is Obama continued the crap Bush was doing when he promised to end it. You can be a blind Dem promoter/supporter, but sorry, that's a fact...Obama lied and continued killing.

[SA210]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546442_441471829198586_129995207012918_1733234_539 068678_n.jpg

[Nbadan]

The problem is Obama continued the crap Bush was doing when he promised to end it. You can be a blind Dem promoter/supporter, but sorry, that's a fact...Obama lied and continued killing.

Obama has done what it politically expedient...we can debate and likely agree that he should have stood his ground on the NDAA, on extending GITMO and the patriot act, but he did what he had to do at the time to keep government from getting politically bogged down by GOP obstructionism...and it's worked...despite the world economy dealing with the Greek crisis, the US economy seems to be growing at a reasonable 2-3% rate....not growing to slow or to fast, no hyper-inflation like even RG has been predicting

[mavs>spurs]

It's just haliarious that an unqualified guy is destroying America from within.

Go back to Mexico.

[possessed]

Killed Osama


Stopped reading after this... :lol

[mavs>spurs]

^yeah everyone knows that was a fake publicity stunt and osama has been dead since like 01

[possessed]

^yeah everyone knows that was a fake publicity stunt and osama has been dead since like 01

eh?

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Obama should have never been president in the first place. He had very little, if any, executive experience.

This:toast

[TDMVPDPOY]

u guys had 8 yrs with a yr 9 drop out

u want 4 more with this clown?

u should learn something from the frenchmens for once and vote ur president out...lol midget french president who wanted 2nd term who did nothing besides disagreeing with the coalition on world matters....

[ElNono]

^yeah everyone knows that was a fake publicity stunt and osama has been dead since like 01

Osama is alive and living in Nevada. Ask Galileo...

[Winehole23]

I cannot vote for Obama on the grounds that I objected to his predecessor for most of the very same reasons.

Obama has even improved on the model. The incorporation of official secrecy, an outlawry track that bypasses ordinary justice, and pervasive warrantless domestic spying -- to say nothing of the nonchalant abrogation of other ancient and constitutional rights while fighting wars worldwide, or the more or less reckless aggrandizement of the public debt -- are ominous for republican values, present and future tense.

[Winehole23]

Is he marginally better than that other 1%er?

Maybe. Not sure. They seem kinda the same to me.

[Winehole23]

good little war babies

[Wild Cobra]

I'll take 4 more Obama years than 4 new ones of Romney. Such an easy decision..

In my opinion Obama hasn't done good nor bad. Just imagine what that fucktard Romney would do. I cant even think about that tbh
Just watch how health care costs will skyrocket if we don't repeal Obamacare.

[Wild Cobra]

Killed Osama

Wow...

He killed Osama? I didn't know that. I thought the Navy seals did that, which would have happened under McCain if he was president instead.

I guess I'm wrong, huh?


Brought back thousands of troops from Iraq

Really...

I didn't know he signed the SOFA that specified when we would leave Iraq.

thanks for correcting me on who signed the SOFA.


About to bring back thousands of troops from Afghanistan

Really?

I thought this was the war that democrats were for.


Saved the economy from collapse and two decades of a worthless currency and super high energy prices

LOL...

I'm laughing my ass off with your propaganda, Dan.

Link please.


Brought the Supreme Court back to the ideological middle with the nomination of the first hispanic woman to the SCOTUS

Really?

He replaces one left leaning activist with another, and that changes things?


Cracked down on illegal Immigration more than any GOP President

Wow...

I must be wrong again.

I was certain that the the immigration policies being inforced now were set in motion prom the last presidency.

Goo to know that I'm wrong again.


Refused to enforce NDAA, despite the GOP Congresses insistance he do so...

Huh? Elaborate please. I thought he signed it into law, and that it was struck down by federal judges. Am I wrong again?


Working on bring down fuel costs by cracking down on speculators

I though this area was getting worse.


Calling for tougher enforcement on investment firms after the recent Citibank fiasco

Pandering at it's finest, and you believe his lies.

Al;most four years later, before election time...

Why isn't it fixed yet?

Because he really like the big fat money cats.


Eliminated DADT and called for the fair treatment of same sex couples

DADT... Whatever.

Just watch. there will be problems.

calling for fair treatment? Who hasn't?

Passes affordable healthcare for everyone..

Bullshit...

Bullshit...

My health care premiums have almost doubled. How about yours?


All this is historic legislation....

There is nothing historical about partisan lies and bullshit.


The list goes on and on....

Yes...

It's a very extensive shit list.

[Wild Cobra]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/546442_441471829198586_129995207012918_1733234_539 068678_n.jpg
No....

Bad form...

U2?

I'll bet they won't like that...

[Wild Cobra]

Osama is alive and living in Nevada. Ask Galileo...
Does he really believe that, or is that your thought?

[Wild Cobra]

I cannot vote for Obama on the grounds that I objected to his predecessor for most of the very same reasons.

Obama has even improved on the model. The incorporation of official secrecy, an outlawry track that bypasses ordinary justice, and pervasive warrantless domestic spying -- to say nothing of the nonchalant abrogation of other ancient and constitutional rights while fighting wars worldwide, or the more or less reckless aggrandizement of the public debt -- are ominous for republican values, present and future tense.
Don't forget having web sites asking citizens to inform on others.

He is the first and only president to ever ask for such a thing, that I'm aware of.

[coyotes_geek]

Is he marginally better than that other 1%er?

Maybe. Not sure. They seem kinda the same to me.

Pretty much. The only difference would be the rhetoric.

[boutons_deux]

false equivlance

Gecko plus a Repug Congress would be disastrous for Human-Americans 99%, air, water, land, employees, patients, poor, children, old, sick, disabled, education, women, minorities, but fantastic for the VRWC, 1%, UCA, military.

[coyotes_geek]

Speaking of rhetoric......

[boutons_deux]

speaking of non-response.

I state facts based on Gecko, Ryans, and diverse Repug extremists have been saying and doing at state and federal level for years. It would make the Repug disaster of 2000-2008 look innocent.

[coyotes_geek]

You state gibberish and rhetoric.

[boutons_deux]

your best shot? :lol

[coyotes_geek]

Yes, that was my best shot at stating that I think you spout off a bunch of gibberish and rhetoric.

[boutons_deux]

thanks for specific refutations, I'm awed at your mastery of facts and supporting evidence

[TeyshaBlue]

lol @ facts. You wouldnt recognize one if it bit you on the ass.

[coyotes_geek]

thanks for specific refutations, I'm awed at your mastery of facts and supporting evidence

Ok.

[Winehole23]

thanks for specific refutations, I'm awed at your mastery of facts and supporting evidencewhat you tell us to think about you is neither here nor there. most of us can read and decide for ourselves.

[boutons_deux]

still waiting for refutation, some evidence that I'm wrong above.

[coyotes_geek]

lol boutons.

[boutons_deux]

the Repugs have laid out their social and budget plans, all will prove to be a disaster for the 99%

you guys have nothing, GFY

[coyotes_geek]

Ok.

[Yonivore]

Killed Osama
Seal Team 6 killed Osama bin Laden after an intelligence structure, Barack Obama spent his campaign deriding, vilifying, and demonizing, located him.


Brought back thousands of troops from Iraq
Per a timetable established and set by his predecessor.


About to bring back thousands of troops from Afghanistan
After fucking up just about every international relationship we have in the region.


Saved the economy from collapse and two decades of a worthless currency and super high energy prices
:lmao @ this delusional claim.


Brought the Supreme Court back to the ideological middle with the nomination of the first hispanic woman to the SCOTUS
Sonia "La Raza" Sotemayor and Elena "LGBT" Kagan are the "ideological middle?"


Cracked down on illegal Immigration more than any GOP President
A claim only made by the current administration and with which a couple of hundred thousand illegal Florida voters might take issue.


Refused to enforce NDAA, despite the GOP Congresses insistance he do so...
Why didn't he veto the reauthorization, at the end of 2011, instead? This president has set a bad precedent of selective enforcement of the law.


Working on bring down fuel costs by cracking down on speculators
Could bring them down faster by getting of the throat of producers.


Calling for tougher enforcement on investment firms after the recent Citibank fiasco
:lmao at Mr. Wall Street doing anything to piss off his financial overlords.


Eliminated DADT
Yep, he did that.


...and called for the fair treatment of same sex couples
Weak sauce for a President that "evolved" from being opposed to same sex marriage to merely supporting "fair treatment" without actually saying he supports same sex marriage.

Purely political equivocation.


Passes affordable healthcare for everyone..
A piece of shit law that won't survive the year.


All this is historic legislation....
I'll give you that...well, except for the majority of the list (actually, all but ACA and NDAA [which you obviously didn't want reauthorized]) which isn't legislation at all.

No, Obama has lost the confidence of Congress. He was skunked on his last budget proposal in both houses. So, Obama prefers to act by fiat. You can call it legislation, if you want, but, Congress hasn't signed off on much of what Obama has been doing for the past 4 years...Czars and recess appointments (during session) instead of appointments with the advice and consent of the Senate...Executive Orders...those have been the Obama way.


The list goes on and on....
God, don't we all know. But, there's a Hope this will Change this November.

[mouse]

He didn't deserve the last 4

:lmao

[Wild Cobra]

God, don't we all know. But, there's a Hope this will Change this November.
I sure hope I have some change left when he's done.

[mouse]

I sure hope I have some change left when he's done.

/Thread?

[mercos]

I'm an Obama supporter, but based on his track record I would say he does not deserve another four years. However, I don't believe Mitt Romney deserves a first four years. I'm not sure the country could withstand another four years of conservative rule. Another round of tax cuts and deregulation (especially of the financial sector) would be catastrophic.

My biggest beef with Obama has been his determination to compromise. He squandered two years of super majorities in Congress. The health care fiasco is the perfect example. We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to implement a single payer system, and they instead opted for a conservative plan, that Republicans went on to blast anyway. I realize it would have been extremely difficult (maybe impossible) to pass single payer, but that should have been where the debate started. Perhaps then the compromise would have been the public option, and not the Republican based plan we have now, which they still rail against.

On defense, I'm generally more of a hawk, and I approve of the expanded use of drones in the battle field. I am not a fan of Obama's continued use of Patriot Act policies that result in spying on citizens. The signing of the NDAA is one of his biggest sins in my eyes.

His determination to compromise hurt him on the stimulus package as well. Most economists say it was to small, and now we know that some of his advisers told him it was to small. There was to much focus on tax cuts in the package, and not enough infrastructure spending. Again, another opportunity was wasted, as we could have killed two birds with one stone by helping the economy and rebuild our decrepit infrastructure.

I haven't been happy with everything Obama has done, or the fact that he has morphed into Bush-lite. That does not mean I am willing to vote for a super Bush.

[Wild Cobra]

Mercos...

If you like socialism/communism so much, why not move to a different country?

[ploto]

Does Romney deserve 4 years?

[Wild Cobra]

Does Romney deserve 4 years?
Which of the two choices do you think is more likely to sign into law, more mandatory spending programs? If you don't know or are uncertain of the differences between discretionary spending and mandatory spending, look it up before you answer.

[ploto]

Which of the two choices do you think is more likely to sign into law, more mandatory spending programs?

What if that isn't my criteria for making my choice?

[mouse]

Seal Team 6 killed Osama bin Laden after an intelligence structure, Barack Obama spent his campaign deriding, vilifying, and demonizing, located him.


Per a timetable established and set by his predecessor.


After fucking up just about every international relationship we have in the region.


:lmao @ this delusional claim.


Sonia "La Raza" Sotemayor and Elena "LGBT" Kagan are the "ideological middle?"


A claim only made by the current administration and with which a couple of hundred thousand illegal Florida voters might take issue.


Why didn't he veto the reauthorization, at the end of 2011, instead? This president has set a bad precedent of selective enforcement of the law.


Could bring them down faster by getting of the throat of producers.


:lmao at Mr. Wall Street doing anything to piss off his financial overlords.


Yep, he did that.


Weak sauce for a President that "evolved" from being opposed to same sex marriage to merely supporting "fair treatment" without actually saying he supports same sex marriage.

Purely political equivocation.


A piece of shit law that won't survive the year.


I'll give you that...well, except for the majority of the list (actually, all but ACA and NDAA [which you obviously didn't want reauthorized]) which isn't legislation at all.

No, Obama has lost the confidence of Congress. He was skunked on his last budget proposal in both houses. So, Obama prefers to act by fiat. You can call it legislation, if you want, but, Congress hasn't signed off on much of what Obama has been doing for the past 4 years...Czars and recess appointments (during session) instead of appointments with the advice and consent of the Senate...Executive Orders...those have been the Obama way.


God, don't we all know. But, there's a Hope this will Change this November.

one hell of a reply! :toast

[mercos]

Mercos...

If you like socialism/communism so much, why not move to a different country?

Nothing in my post suggested I was a fan of communism, but I understand your confusion given the way the term is thrown about these days and the general lack of understanding as to what it actually is. As for socialism, we already live in a partially socialist country, and have since at least the 1930s. That is not going to change, regardless of how much the right wing cries about it.

[Wild Cobra]

What if that isn't my criteria for making my choice?

What?

You don't care if a president signs more mandatory spending into law?

Wow...

Just wow...

[Wild Cobra]

Nothing in my post suggested I was a fan of communism, but I understand your confusion given the way the term is thrown about these days and the general lack of understanding as to what it actually is. As for socialism, we already live in a partially socialist country, and have since at least the 1930s. That is not going to change, regardless of how much the right wing cries about it.
We live with far too much socialism.

I have no problems with long care support of the elderly and handicapped. We have too many handouts for those who can work. I have no problem with "safety net" programs, but they are abused and lack responsible supervision.

We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to implement a single payer system
This is absolutely not acceptable. This is another social program that has proven to be a disaster in other places.

We simply are running out of tax payers. Just where the fuck will this money come from?

It's obvious we disagree on the broader definitions of Communism and Socialism, so I'm not going to bother. The bottom line of my beliefs is we all need to be self reliant to our best possible degree. For every slacker living off of other peoples money, there is less of a working persons own wealth to be used for better economic activities.

[ElNono]

I'm an Obama supporter, but based on his track record I would say he does not deserve another four years. However, I don't believe Mitt Romney deserves a first four years. I'm not sure the country could withstand another four years of conservative rule. Another round of tax cuts and deregulation (especially of the financial sector) would be catastrophic.

My biggest beef with Obama has been his determination to compromise. He squandered two years of super majorities in Congress. The health care fiasco is the perfect example. We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to implement a single payer system, and they instead opted for a conservative plan, that Republicans went on to blast anyway. I realize it would have been extremely difficult (maybe impossible) to pass single payer, but that should have been where the debate started. Perhaps then the compromise would have been the public option, and not the Republican based plan we have now, which they still rail against.

On defense, I'm generally more of a hawk, and I approve of the expanded use of drones in the battle field. I am not a fan of Obama's continued use of Patriot Act policies that result in spying on citizens. The signing of the NDAA is one of his biggest sins in my eyes.

His determination to compromise hurt him on the stimulus package as well. Most economists say it was to small, and now we know that some of his advisers told him it was to small. There was to much focus on tax cuts in the package, and not enough infrastructure spending. Again, another opportunity was wasted, as we could have killed two birds with one stone by helping the economy and rebuild our decrepit infrastructure.

I haven't been happy with everything Obama has done, or the fact that he has morphed into Bush-lite. That does not mean I am willing to vote for a super Bush.

Agree 100%... The vote seems to be right-lite, or right... I was hoping Romney would move more towards the center, but hasn't happened either, and he's just going with the right rhetoric... tbh, don't think I'll be voting this time around. Can't willingly support either candidate.

[Agloco]

4 more years of bombing babies and innocent civilians in other countries and pretending we are innocent? Nah, I'll pass.

:cry

:lol Obama being the first POTUS to oversee such heinous acts.

[Agloco]

Agree 100%... The vote seems to be right-lite, or right... I was hoping Romney would move more towards the center, but hasn't happened either, and he's just going with the right rhetoric... tbh, don't think I'll be voting this time around. Can't willingly support either candidate.

This.

[mercos]

We live with far too much socialism.

I have no problems with long care support of the elderly and handicapped. We have too many handouts for those who can work. I have no problem with "safety net" programs, but they are abused and lack responsible supervision.

This is absolutely not acceptable. This is another social program that has proven to be a disaster in other places.

We simply are running out of tax payers. Just where the fuck will this money come from?

It's obvious we disagree on the broader definitions of Communism and Socialism, so I'm not going to bother. The bottom line of my beliefs is we all need to be self reliant to our best possible degree. For every slacker living off of other peoples money, there is less of a working persons own wealth to be used for better economic activities.


I agree that our safety net programs have been abused, and need restructuring. I would also argue that many people now need the safety net because of decisions made in the private sector, namely the outsourcing of decent paying low skill jobs to third world countries. A little outsourcing can be good for the economy, due to the cheaper goods it creates. This was to much of a good thing though, and you can see the fallout in stagnant wages over the past few decades. Those stagnant wages are deadly when the cost of food, fuel, and medical care have continued going up.

In regards to the single payer system, we are simply worlds apart. I do not view private medical insurance as a legitimate business. It is a needless middle man, providing a service that the government could do for much cheaper.

I do believe in capitalism, and would not want to change our system into a purely socialistic society. However, there are some things better left to the government in my opinion. I would not want the police, or fire department run by the private sector. I feel the same way about medical insurance.

[Yonivore]

I think Obama deserves 20 years to life for the crimes being committed in his administration.

Oh, wait, that wasn't the question, was it?

No. Obama doesn't deserve 4 more years. I'm not certain I want him finishing the last 7 months. Perhaps he'll resign and let "Slow" Joe Biden bumble around until we can get adults back in the White House. At this point, however, I would settle for a LBJ moment when he announces to the country, "I will not seek and I will not accept my party's nomination for President of the United States."

It is absolutely delicious how the Clinton camp is abandoning Barry in the time of his greatest need.

[Wild Cobra]

I think Obama deserves 20 years to life for the crimes being committed in his administration.

Oh, wait, that wasn't the question, was it?
Sure would be a great thread to start!

[mavs>spurs]

I think Obama deserves 20 years to life for the crimes being committed in his administration.

Agreed.

[Nbadan]

Obama had such a bad week that he's at 50% approval in today's Gallup Tracking Poll!

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

[SA210]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/179136_427842937249096_1227754016_n.jpg

[clambake]

I think Obama deserves 20 years to life for the crimes being committed in his administration.

Oh, wait, that wasn't the question, was it?

No. Obama doesn't deserve 4 more years. I'm not certain I want him finishing the last 7 months. Perhaps he'll resign and let "Slow" Joe Biden bumble around until we can get adults back in the White House. At this point, however, I would settle for a LBJ moment when he announces to the country, "I will not seek and I will not accept my party's nomination for President of the United States."

It is absolutely delicious how the Clinton camp is abandoning Barry in the time of his greatest need.


Sure would be a great thread to start!

sorry about the poptech relationship.


at least you've moved on!

[RandomGuy]

Are you really that daft?

What6 do you call being governor for 6 years?

What do you call being a commissioned officer in the military?

What do you call receiving a Masters in Business administration?

What executive experience did Obama have other than a Community Leader, and is that considered executive experience?

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.

A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.

A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.

Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.


That is your idol?

I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.

[RandomGuy]

I think Obama deserves 20 years to life for the crimes being committed in his administration.

I might buy into that, if you would hold Bush accountable for the dead US soldiers' blood on his hands due to his and his administration's gross negligence/incompetence.

You aren't going to hold any Republican responsible for that are you?

[RandomGuy]

I'm an Obama supporter, but based on his track record I would say he does not deserve another four years. However, I don't believe Mitt Romney deserves a first four years. I'm not sure the country could withstand another four years of conservative rule. Another round of tax cuts and deregulation (especially of the financial sector) would be catastrophic.

My biggest beef with Obama has been his determination to compromise. He squandered two years of super majorities in Congress. The health care fiasco is the perfect example. We had a once in a lifetime opportunity to implement a single payer system, and they instead opted for a conservative plan, that Republicans went on to blast anyway. I realize it would have been extremely difficult (maybe impossible) to pass single payer, but that should have been where the debate started. Perhaps then the compromise would have been the public option, and not the Republican based plan we have now, which they still rail against.

On defense, I'm generally more of a hawk, and I approve of the expanded use of drones in the battle field. I am not a fan of Obama's continued use of Patriot Act policies that result in spying on citizens. The signing of the NDAA is one of his biggest sins in my eyes.

His determination to compromise hurt him on the stimulus package as well. Most economists say it was to small, and now we know that some of his advisers told him it was to small. There was to much focus on tax cuts in the package, and not enough infrastructure spending. Again, another opportunity was wasted, as we could have killed two birds with one stone by helping the economy and rebuild our decrepit infrastructure.

I haven't been happy with everything Obama has done, or the fact that he has morphed into Bush-lite. That does not mean I am willing to vote for a super Bush.

Bingo.

It isn't Romney so much I am worried about, although he is obviously willing to literally say anything or do anything to get elected, but the tea party fucktards and other right-wing extremists driving the bus getting into a Republican administration.

We seem to be faced with a choice of right-lite or crazy-right.

THAT is why anyone who isn't crazy, should hold their nose, and keep people like Bachmann and Santorum as far as possible from cabinet posts and judgeships.

[Wild Cobra]

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.

A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.

A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.

Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.


That is your idol?

I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.
Not My idol at all. I am only pointing out the fact, that Obama had effectively no executive experience, and bush did, before becoming president.

Do you disagree with that?

[Yonivore]

I might buy into that, if you would hold Bush accountable for the dead US soldiers' blood on his hands due to his and his administration's gross negligence/incompetence.

You aren't going to hold any Republican responsible for that are you?
While I disagree over your characterization of the Bush administration's culpability in the deaths of U.S. soldiers engaged in a legitimate military action, I find it interesting your holding Obama accountable for his crimes is contingent upon Bush being held accountable for what you perceive as his.

So, you'd be in favor of allowing one murderer to go free if another, you think deserves to be prosecuted, goes free?

Admitting Obama is a criminal is a start, I suppose.

[clambake]

obama should respond to his critics by saying "i don't care"

[Yonivore]

obama should respond to his critics by saying "i don't care"
I agree. It'd be the first honest thing he's said since becoming President.

[clambake]

yes, he should treat them and you like you're nothing.

[Wild Cobra]

I agree. It'd be the first honest thing he's said since becoming President.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I think he does care. I think he's pissed that he hasn't been able to destroy our economy yet.

[clambake]

lol

[clambake]

sorry about the poptech relationship.


at least you've moved on!

[Wild Cobra]

sorry about the poptech relationship.


at least you've moved on!
I see he's still on your mind. I completely forgot about him until you brought him up.

Maybe it's time for you to move on too.

[Yonivore]

yes, he should treat them and you like you're nothing.
He's already doing that so, there, you've got your wish.

[clambake]

He's already doing that so, there, you've got your wish.

i wouldn't waste a wish on something so petty.

[clambake]

I see he's still on your mind. I completely forgot about him until you brought him up.

Maybe it's time for you to move on too.

actually, you've managed to make me feel sorry for yoni.

[mouse]

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.

A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.

A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.

Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.


That is your idol?

I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.

Raise the bar

[Darth_Pelican]

Of course he deserves 4 more years. He promised change, and has delivered.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HSANI2gG-Sc/TvvKi-GfbPI/AAAAAAAApjs/gAtvQjKoeC0/s1600/111228-obama-economic-record.gif

[clambake]

lol

[Nbadan]

4 more years of this?

http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/lk061312dAPR-500.jpg

[TeyshaBlue]

No. 4 more years of this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/13/obama-trade-document-leak_n_1592593.html

[mouse]

Looks like Obama just picked up another million votes!


http://www.koollink.net/spanish/img/si-se-puede.jpg

[Yonivore]

Governor in a state where the governor is little more than a figurehead, a job he got because of his daddy's political connections.
It's not an appointed position, he had to seek and win election to office. Hell, the only reason Obama became a Senator is because his opponent was a typical Chicago politician that liked to take his wife to BDSM clubs...or, something like that.

And, Ann Richards wasn't an unpopular Governor. Hell, I even liked her.


A reserve officer, dodging Vietnam using daddy's political connections. He was in juuuust long enough.
Not a fair characterization but, you won't be disabused of it.

Denigrating a whole segment of the population that volunteers for Reserve duty, particularly during a time when they are serving and dying alongside regular troops, in God-awful parts of the world, isn't persuasive.

At Height of Vietnam, Bush Picks Guard (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush072899.htm)


But there was no chance Bush's unit would be ordered overseas. Bush says that toward the end of his training in 1970, he tried to volunteer for overseas duty, asking a commander to put his name on the list for a "Palace Alert" program, which dispatched qualified F-102 pilots in the Guard to the Europe and the Far East, occasionally to Vietnam, on three- to six-month assignments.

He was turned down on the spot. "I did [ask] – and I was told, 'You're not going,' " Bush said.

Only pilots with extensive flying time – at the outset, 1,000 hours were required – were sent overseas under the voluntary program. The Air Force, moreover, was retiring the aging F-102s and had ordered all overseas F-102 units closed down as of June 30, 1970.


A solid C student, in a college he got into because of his daddy's political connections.
What were Barack "Choom Gang" Obama's grades in college? Where are his transcripts?


Not exactly a paragon of self-motivated leadership.
Back to the Post story linked above...


Four months before enlisting, Bush reported at Westover Air Force Base in Massachusetts to take the Air Force Officers Qualification Test. While scoring 25 percent for pilot aptitude – "about as low as you could get and be accepted," according to Martin – and 50 percent for navigator aptitude in his initial testing, he scored 95 percent on questions designed to reflect "officer quality," compared with a current-day average of 88 percent.


That is your idol?
Nope. But, compared to Barack Obama, he's more ideal.


I guess he wasn't poor, so he didn't make the bad decision about who his parents were.
I'm not sure what this means in the context of seeking a political office sought by the likes of John Kerry-Heinz, Al "Carbon Credits vice Tobacco" Gore, and John "Baby Daddy" Edwards; they were all wealthy. Hell, even Barack Obama comes from some money.

What's your point?

[mouse]

^ further Proof Yonivore is underrated.

[Wild Cobra]

You know a good start for you would actually be to know what the fuck socialism means...

And quitting regurgitating the same bullshit that the fucking people that tell you what and how to fucking think would be the second step.

Jesus, I have no real love for President Obama, but when you are as fucking stupid as some of the morons on here, it has to be called out.
It's so funny to watch people like you defend liberals/progressives/etc. as not being socialistic.

[boutons_deux]

"being socialistic"

what's socialism?

We know (unregulated) capitalism fucks us 99% hard and deep daily.

"It's so funny to watch people like you defend" it.

[Winehole23]

Pretty much. The only difference would be the rhetoric.The appointees could be pretty different. Thinking esp. of the judiciary, here...

[cheguevara]

:lmao thinking there's a difference between Mittens and Barry

:lol poor sheeple

[boutons_deux]

there is a HUGE difference.

Gecko, if he has control of House and Senate, will destroy medicare, medicaid, privatize SS (give it to the Banksters), devastate SNAP, unions, unemployment, HHS, DoEducation, EPA, etc, etc. It's ALEC/VRWC agenda.

and he will probably bomb Iran.

[cheguevara]

we'd bomb Iran regardless of who's the figurehead.

this country is not run by the president. wake up.

If they want it to happen it will happen regardless

[boutons_deux]

wake the fuck up.

a pres with control of Congress (and Repug pres has JINO SCOTUS, too) can do a lot of damage, which is all the Repugs are interested in doing to the 99%.

[cheguevara]

wake the fuck up.

a pres with control of Congress (and Repug pres has JINO SCOTUS, too) can do a lot of damage, which is all the Repugs are interested in doing to the 99%.

Bullshit

Obama made plenty damage and did not have control of congress.

bi-partisanship shows up when the Fed + Wall Street say so

[Trainwreck2100]

did Bush in 04?

[boutons_deux]

Obama made plenty damage

You Lie, and you have no evidence.

[Clipper Nation]

Obama isn't a good president but he'd still be better than Romney, tbh.... Romney's foreign policy would make Obama's look like Ron Paul's.... economically we're fucked regardless since the dollar will continue to lose value...

[cheguevara]

You Lie, and you have no evidence.

murdering suspects american or not and jailing american citizens indefinitely. destruction of civil liberties. continuing the warmongering. continuing the unfair drug war. bailing out bankers. prosecuting zero banks. serving 1%, the fed and wall st, etc, etc.

it's already in the history books

Obama is Bush 3.0 and if that's not doing damage, I don't know what is

[Clipper Nation]

We know (unregulated) capitalism fucks us 99% hard and deep daily.
Nah B... what fucks us hard is inflation from the Fed's money printing...

[boutons_deux]

Nah B... what fucks us hard is inflation from the Fed's money printing...

You Lie. To oppose govt stimulus spending and to keep the economy down for Nov 2012, the VRWC has been scare-mongering inflation for 3+ years.

It ain't NOWHERE in sight.

[Clipper Nation]

You're an idiot, tbh... the simple act of printing money without tangible wealth behind it, which the Fed does every day, is inflation... the American dollar has lost 97% of its purchasing power since the Fed was started in 1913.... that ain't a coincidence, B...

[cheguevara]

in the last 4 years of Obama, corporations have reached a record breaking profit of 824 billions in profits and increased dividends. JPMorgan still receives the 14 billion annual government subsidy.

yeah, wall street don't want Obama :rolleyes

[cheguevara]

yeah, no damage:

When JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon testifies in the U.S. House today, he will present himself as a champion of free-market capitalism in opposition to an overweening government. His position would be more convincing if his bank weren’t such a beneficiary of corporate welfare. :lol

To be precise, JPMorgan receives a government subsidy worth about $14 billion a year, according to research published by the International Monetary Fund and our own analysis of bank balance sheets. The money helps the bank pay big salaries and bonuses. More important, it distorts markets, fueling crises such as the recent subprime-lending disaster and the sovereign-debt debacle that is now threatening to destroy the euro and sink the global economy.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-18/dear-mr-dimon-is-your-bank-getting-corporate-welfare-.html

[mouse]

I agree that our safety net programs have been abused, and need restructuring. I would also argue that many people now need the safety net because of decisions made in the private sector, namely the outsourcing of decent paying low skill jobs to third world countries. A little outsourcing can be good for the economy, due to the cheaper goods it creates. This was to much of a good thing though, and you can see the fallout in stagnant wages over the past few decades. Those stagnant wages are deadly when the cost of food, fuel, and medical care have continued going up.

In regards to the single payer system, we are simply worlds apart. I do not view private medical insurance as a legitimate business. It is a needless middle man, providing a service that the government could do for much cheaper.

I do believe in capitalism, and would not want to change our system into a purely socialistic society. However, there are some things better left to the government in my opinion. I would not want the police, or fire department run by the private sector. I feel the same way about medical insurance.

Solid post!

[Clipper Nation]

It's so funny to watch people like you defend liberals/progressives/etc. as not being socialistic.

Obama is NOT a socialist... he's just as much of a corporatist shill as Mittens... loves the Fed and special interests...

[George Gervin's Afro]

Obama is NOT a socialist... he's just as much of a corporatist shill as Mittens... loves the Fed and special interests...

he really doesn't know what socialism is or means.. he's admitted that he usually takes the low road..

[Sense]

He might not deserve it, but Romney doesn't deserve any.

[AFBlue]

Does Romney deserve 4 years at all?

I shudder to think about giving the executive branch to another bunch of ideological retards. Bush was bad enough, and the extremists pushing the GOP's buttons are even worse today.

Romney isn't an ideologue. He's not going to pass landmark legislation that either significantly reduces or expands the size and scope of government. He's a placeholder, but one that won't at least push an extreme agenda.

Can't say the same for Obama.

[ElNono]

Romney isn't an ideologue. He's not going to pass landmark legislation that either significantly reduces or expands the size and scope of government. He's a placeholder, but one that won't at least push an extreme agenda.

:lol Romney is a puppet... much like Barry... he'll try to pass whatever he's told to pass. Ultimately, it's Congress that makes or breaks agendas.

[Jacob1983]

Does it really matter if Obama wins or loses in November? I mean let's be honest for a minute. I know that the FOX News types hate Obama with a fiery passion and think he's the fuckin' anti-Christ while Obama lovers, supporters, and koolaid drinkers think Obama is awesome, hip, and cool and nothing like Bush.

You're still gonna get to do what you want to do as long as you aren't hurting anyone.
If you want to go to McDonald's and get some food that will turn you into a fatty fat fatty, you will still be able to do that. If you want to watch mindless shitty tv shows like American Idol and Dancing with the Stars, you will still be able to do that. You will still be able to watch whatever movie you want to watch and will be able to read whatever types of books you want to read.

[mouse]

Romney isn't an ideologue. He's not going to pass landmark legislation that either significantly reduces or expands the size and scope of government. He's a placeholder, but one that won't at least push an extreme agenda.

Can't say the same for Obama.

^ vato has a point.

[mouse]

Obama is NOT a socialist... he's just as much of a corporatist shill as Mittens... loves the Fed and special interests...

great point.

[Clipper Nation]

Romney isn't an ideologue. He's not going to pass landmark legislation that either significantly reduces or expands the size and scope of government. He's a placeholder, but one that won't at least push an extreme agenda.

Can't say the same for Obama.
Oh please, you can't possibly believe that... the same lobbyists, corporations, and banks will push the exact same agenda regardless of whether it's Romney or Obama... the only difference is that it will be spun as "national security" under Romney or "humanitarian reasons" under Obama...

[boutons_deux]

"but one that won't at least push an extreme agenda."

repealing ACA, privatizing (destroying) SS by handing it to the Banksters,

killing medicare/medicaid with "here's a laughalble voucher, by your own catastrophe insurance in a "free, competitive market" "

are all disruptively, pro-1% actions which will very likely occur (it's the Repug agenda) if Gecko wins with both houses in his majority favor.

[DMX7]

Romney isn't an ideologue. He's not going to pass landmark legislation that either significantly reduces or expands the size and scope of government. He's a placeholder, but one that won't at least push an extreme agenda.

Can't say the same for Obama.

The extremes will push it on him and of course he'll cave because he'll do anything to get elected.

[boutons_deux]

he won't have to cave, he's gladly, wilingly sign any Repug legislation that lands on his desk, just like dubya.