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Tommy Duncan
09-13-2004, 11:40 PM
Wisconsin? Oops.

www.usatoday.com/news/pol...poll_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-13-bush-poll_x.htm)

Bush widens Wisconsin lead over Kerry, poll shows

From staff and wire reports

President Bush has widened his lead over Democrat John Kerry in the battleground state of Wisconsin, a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll shows.

The week before the Republican National Convention in New York City, Bush held a 3-percentage point lead over his challenger Kerry. Now, the poll shows Bush leads by 8 percentage points in the state.

Earlier on Monday, Bush denounced Kerry's health care proposal as a government takeover that would trigger tax increases.

"We have a difference of opinion in this campaign," Bush told supporters in western Michigan. "I'm running against a fellow who has got a massive, complicated blueprint to have our government take over the decision-making in health care.

"Not only is his plan going to increase the power of bureaucrats in your life, but he can't pay for it unless he raises your taxes."

The crowd booed.

While Bush leads Kerry in the polls when voters are asked who would keep the country safe, the president's numbers aren't as favorable when it comes to domestic matters. A recent Associated Press-Ipsos poll found 51% of registered voters disapproving of how Bush is handling such issues as health care, education and the environment.

Bush also plans to visit Colorado on this trip, arriving in the Denver area late Monday and appearing at a campaign rally at Coors Amphitheater, formerly Fiddler's Green, in Greenwood Village on Tuesday morning.

Sitting on stage with residents from Grand Rapids, Rockford and Muskegon, Bush outlined his health care ideas.

He said he wants small businesses to be allowed to pool resources to buy health insurance at discounts available to large companies. He also favors expanding health saving accounts and plans to propose a tax credit to help poor families and individuals buy coverage. Further, he wants to ensure that each of America's poorest communities has a health center to serve the underprivileged.

In addition, Bush has called for a medical liability overhaul that he says would speed damage awards to those injured through malpractice and help keep insurance premiums within the reach of good doctors. He rarely misses an opportunity on the campaign trail to note that Kerry's running mate, Sen. John Edwards, earned millions as a trial attorney before turning to politics.

Kerry worked last week to turn the campaign focus to health care issues. At a round-table discussion in Des Moines, he cited a new report showing a double-digit increase in insurance premiums for the fourth year in a row. He also noted that monthly premiums for the part of Medicare that pays for doctor visits and most other non-hospital expenses is going up 17%.

Kerry says he wants to help more businesses offer health care by requiring the federal government to pick up 75% of catastrophic health care costs, a plan that his campaign estimates will lower premiums by an average of 10%.

The Massachusetts senator would give small businesses a tax credit to help them bear the cost of health insurance. Kerry also wants to let people purchase lower cost drugs from Canada, and he has called on Bush to back this idea.

It's an issue that plays well in the northern battleground states of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan where busloads of people regularly travel to Canada to fill their prescriptions.

The administration has been studying drug importation, but Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said last week it probably will not come up for a vote in the Senate this year.

Bush's speech in Muskegon was the first stop on two bus trips, focusing on health care, that the president will take this week in the Midwest. He'll be in Minnesota on Thursday.

The president didn't venture far into Muskegon County, which leans Democratic. His one-hour event, dubbed "Focus on Health with President Bush," was held in the open air in a hangar at the local airport.

He left from there to attend rallies in Holland, where voters are more supportive of Republican candidates, and Battle Creek, a swing area of the state, which Bush lost to Al Gore in 2000.


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DeSPURado
09-13-2004, 11:52 PM
http://www.electoral-vote.com/sep/sep12.png

SpursWoman
09-13-2004, 11:58 PM
Just my $.02.


I have a flexible medical spending card right now offered through my employer. How it works:

I average about maybe $600 a year in medical expenses...co-pays for office visits, prescription drugs, etc. There is no limit that I saw with how much you can contribute to it.

Since I'm paid every 2 weeks, I have deducted $23.00 per paycheck (pre-tax)

So I get a MasterCard for this account, which is only good for healthcare expenses. I can use it for co-pays, band-aids, eyeglasses, etc., and it's all front loaded. I get the whole $600 from the start, so even though I may have had $46 withheld, if I have to go the the emergency room tomorrow and my copay is $100, I can use my card.

This to supplement a very affordable major-medical policy could very well help the average person stay covered.

The only thing that differs with what I have from what Bush suggests, is that I can't take it with me if I change jobs. Although, if I don't use it all up by the next open enrollment, I can go spend the balance on Nyquil and band-aids.


I like it, FWIT. If you can't afford a policy that covers preventative services, it allows you to save--tax free--over the course of the year.

NeoConIV
09-14-2004, 01:17 AM
Wait till Kerry unleashes his flippant snide arrogance in the debates. Wisconsin won't know what hit them.

Tommy Duncan
09-14-2004, 01:37 AM
That map is old.

Yonivore
09-14-2004, 01:41 AM
September 3, 2004 to be precise:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/states/wisconsin.png

And, according to that poll it was trending to Bush then.

Aggie Hoopsfan
09-14-2004, 02:56 AM
Why do people keep citing electoral-vote.com?

The site is owned and maintained by an incredibly left wing liberal radio show host in Philadelphia who has an ongoing petition to impeach President Bush for being a liar about Iraq.

DeSPURado
09-14-2004, 03:35 AM
Because he takes every poll including polls that only do polls for republicans (IE- strategic vision) and creates a daily tracker. Nothing wrong with a partisan being fair and balanced for once. The only pollsters he discludes are the ones that do push polling. Then he takes the latest available.

Tommy Duncan
09-14-2004, 08:53 AM
That map is old. ****, Bush is running strong in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania here 49 days prior to the election. Perhaps that has something to do with the Kerry campaign failing to put Bush on the defensive about his administration and of course focusing their attention on what he did 30 years ago.

Joe Chalupa
09-14-2004, 09:27 AM
In Wisconsin, it's all about the cheese.

These polls don't mean shit to me.