ginobili v harden

[td4mvp3]

from espn:

Hope is a dangerous concept in the NBA this time of year. There's much more comfort to be found in probabilities and trends. The good news for the Thunder is that Harden shot 59 percent against the Spurs in the three regular-season games and got to the free-throw line seven times per game.

The bad news is the Spurs didn't have Ginobili in those games. And right now San Antonio has the O.G. Ginobili, and the Thunder have a duplicate made by a copy machine that's low on toner.

[100%duncan]

:lol at the last line

[bulakenyo]

I'm hating the guy for his ugly beard and for copying Manu.

But when I think about it, their big 3 are all just over 20 years old, and it kinda scares me what they can be like in 5 years, with more maturity and experience.

For an early 20's Manu copycat, he's doing Ok.

I still can't stand him, though. Maybe I'll dislike him a little less after this series.

[wut]

there is no copy of Manu, like there is no copy of Jordan.....there's a reason for that, it's not about their physical abilities alone....it's their Je ne sais quoi. Greatness cannot be copied only imitated.v

[bulakenyo]

i like how harden plays basketball.

i don't think he, or anyone else, has the manu-ness that makes manu manu

I've been a super fan of Manu since 2002, and I agree that Manu has that "X" factor, intangible that cannot be copied.

But he has popularised the Euro step and the crazy looking, zig-zaggy, sometimes wrong footed drives in the NBA. Many players have stolen many of his most effective moves and tricks.

Harden likes Manu's moves.

[DatBoyGood]

I'm hating the guy for his ugly beard and for copying Manu.

But when I think about it, their big 3 are all just over 20 years old, and it kinda scares me what they can be like in 5 years, with more maturity and experience.

For an early 20's Manu copycat, he's doing Ok.

I still can't stand him, though. Maybe I'll dislike him a little less after this series.

Ehh why hate on him? But yes it is scary how they are already this good just over 20. Already their second appearance to the WCF.

[SpurinDallas]

Ehh why hate on him? But yes it is scary how they are already this good just over 20. Already their second appearance to the WCF.

They may not be able to keep Harden when it's time for him to re-up that contract. I bet he goes somewhere else so he can be a full time starter

[bulakenyo]

Ehh why hate on him? But yes it is scary how they are already this good just over 20. Already their second appearance to the WCF.

I can't stand players who have a chance to (or already did) do well against my teams.

I still get kinda annoyed watching old SAS-HOU games.

My mind likes the way some players play, and appreciate the skills (Olajuwon, Nowitzki, David West, Randolph, Marc Gasol etc.) but my heart hates them because they're the "enemy".

[MmP]

Harden will bounce back, no doubt, especially after being exposed by practically all media. He's gonna have extra motivation.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Harden has the moves, but as Kobe said in his 2008 movie with Manu in the background warming up for Argentina, "That's a bad, bad boy". He wasn't talking about his jab step or his crossover. He was talking about the will to dominate.

[Spurminator]

That article seemed overly harsh on Harden after one game. He's going to have some good games this series.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

They may not be able to keep Harden when it's time for him to re-up that contract. I bet he goes somewhere else so he can be a full time starter

They'll pay him. It will come down to him or Ibaka, and teams ALWAYS overpay for bigs, so if you have to pay stupid money, you pay the skill player. Ibaka is weakside shot blocking and a 12 foot jumper. That's it. Shit, go sign Camby for the MLE.

[td4mvp3]

He was talking about the will to dominate.

manu's sauron?!

[Marcus Bryant]

And right now San Antonio has the O.G. Ginobili, and the Thunder have a duplicate made by a copy machine that's low on toner.

I was going to say.

[lefty]

Commentary Harden can't match Manu outburst

For openers, the Spurs' sweet-shooting lefty gets edge on Thunder counterpart


Updated: May 28, 2012, 2:16 AM ET
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SAN ANTONIO -- We can toss all of those James Harden (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3992/james-harden)-Manu Ginobili (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili) comparisons into the trash can if it's only going to be a matter of style and not production.
It was the trendy pre-series link, the two sixth man left-handers who can shoot the 3-pointer, drive to the hoop with their Euro-step and pester opponents defensively. As much as I'd love to celebrate the moment for finally breaking through the racial barrier to find the similarities between an Argentine and an African-American from California, it all must come to a halt if Harden can't come closer to matching Ginobili's output and impact.
Ginobili scored 26 points to lead the Spurs to victory in Game 1 of the Western Conference finals. He needed only 14 field-goal attempts to get them.
For Harden, the slight inconvenience of his poor shooting since the start of the second round has turned into a serious issue. He has made only 37 percent of his shots the past six games, including a 7-for-17 night Sunday. He had 19 points, which makes his output seem closer to Ginobili than it really was.
[+] Enlargehttp://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0527/nba_g_jameshts_200.jpg (http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0527/nba_g_jameshts_400.jpg)Layne Murdoch/Getty ImagesJames Harden and the Thunder were outdone in Game 1 by Many Ginobili and the Spurs.


Ginobili's buckets were more timely. It was the difference between scoring seven points in 52 seconds to give the Spurs a six-point lead and momentum at the end of the first quarter, as Ginobili did, versus making a meaningless 3-pointer at the final buzzer that served only to make the final score a little closer, 101-98, as Harden did.Ginobili had moments when he took the game over. Harden had two charging fouls while the Thunder were in the midst of a four-minute scoring drought in the fourth quarter, as a nine-point lead and a golden opportunity to steal a road game and puncture the Spurs' aura of invincibility slipped away.
It's not that the Thunder's loss hangs entirely on Harden. He can't be blamed for the Thunder's lack of ball movement or defensive coverage in the fourth quarter. It's not Harden's fault that Serge Ibaka (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka), Kendrick Perkins (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2018/kendrick-perkins) and Thabo Sefolosha (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3028/thabo-sefolosha) could barely top the number of field goals made by Tiago Splitter (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3233/tiago-splitter).
But the playoffs are the province of the stars, and Harden is a star for Oklahoma City. People like to think of the Thunder as the polar opposites as the Miami, but the truth is they work on a similar fundamental premise: They'll both win if they have the two best players on the court. Russell Westbrook (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3468/russell-westbrook) struggled, missing 14 shots and matching his turnover total for the entire Lakers series (four).
Durant managed to score 27 points, in addition to 10 rebounds, but Westbrook left a void that Ginobili filled and Harden didn't.
"I couldn't make a layup," Harden said. "I couldn't make a shot."
Even worse, he couldn't make a free throw … because he didn't attempt any.
"It affected me," Harden said. "I live at the line. Getting to the free-throw line and getting easy points, it definitely helps me. I've just got to be ready. Got to be more aggressive at getting to the basket and being able to finish in Game 2."
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Hmm, getting to the basket might not be an option. The Spurs did a tremendous job of collapsing their defense around the rim, the main reason all of the Thunder players struggled to score inside. The Spurs enjoyed a 50-26 advantage in points in the paint, as the Thunder missed 20 of their 33 shots in the lane."We can't guard them one-on-one, there's no way, so team defense is even more important than it was during the regular season," Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said.
This is where the Thunder are really missing Eric Maynor (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4001/eric-maynor), who was lost to a season-ending knee injury in January. By the end of last season, the backcourt of Maynor and Harden was part of the Thunder's best five-man unit in terms of points per possession. This year, with no Maynor, Harden is controlling the second unit's offense more himself.
There's no one who excels at setting up Harden. Westbrook is still mastering the art of getting the ball to Durant, who can allow himself to get lost in the shuffle at times. Durant's passes tend to go into the hands of Ibaka or Perkins. Backup Derek Fisher (http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/246/derek-fisher) has never been a classic point guard, and even Sunday's 13-point performance -- the equivalent of found money for the Thunder -- was more notable for his shooting.
So Harden's in a tough position, being asked to produce like a starter when coming off the bench, having to find ways to score against a restrictive defense.
"I believe in him, our team believes in him," Thunder coach Scott Brooks said. "He's an aggressive player. He has to continue to attack, get to the rim and hopefully get to the foul line."
Hope is a dangerous concept in the NBA this time of year. There's much more comfort to be found in probabilities and trends. The good news for the Thunder is that Harden shot 59 percent against the Spurs in the three regular-season games and got to the free-throw line seven times per game.
The bad news is the Spurs didn't have Ginobili in those games. And right now San Antonio has the O.G. Ginobili, and the Thunder have a duplicate made by a copy machine that's low on toner.

[td4mvp3]

how much do the spurs benefit in preparing for harden, someone pretty widely acknowledged as the next manu, by actually having manu?

[EasyD]

Ginobili outflopped Harden :lmao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEA7vhMB9AA

[flacura]

Ginobili outflopped Harden :lmao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEA7vhMB9AA

:downspin::downspin::downspin::downspin::downspin: lol

[JRHernandez88]

No doubt their games are similar but I like Harden. Dude has a smart game, just can't stand that beard! That things ridiculous. Someone was saying last night he looked like a skinny Rick Ross. Made me lol tbh.

[Spurious]

I'd be fine with Harden literally being the next Ginobili when Manu decides to hang 'em up. Dude can play, and I think he could be an All-Star for us. But who knows what either team (or the rest of the league) will look like then....

[smaka]

Manu >>>>>>>>>> Harden

but I have to admit it:

Manu's hair <<<<<<<<<< Harden's beard

lol

[BackHome]

I like Harden as a player and even like the beard...Old School...I don't think Harden played bad I think that Pop just had a great game plan on stopping him. If we keep to that game plan then he won't be an X-factor.

[SA210]

There is no other Manu Ginobili

[NRHector]

There is no other Manu Ginobili

+100000000 :toast