MSNBC host on the Meaning of Memorial Day

[DarrinS]

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[ChumpDumper]

Darrin watches MSNBC.

[Spurminator]

There's a War on Memorial Day!

[Drachen]

There's a War on Memorial Day!

I agree, it is being waged by the veterans or those who support the veterans.

Also, I heard nothing in the clip regarding the meaning of memorial day.

[fraga]

Fuckin Obama...

[boutons_deux]

"hero" has been over-used, depleted of meaning, and applied to damn near everybody.

I don't consider some unemployable grunt suckered into the military primarily for the pay (not for God, Country, and The American Way) and getting killed in a phony war a "hero", he's justed a wasted life, a casualty.

DoD propaganda suckers kids, many of them poverty-stricken, no education, with no upward mobility, with the implicit or explicit lure becoming a "hero" and playing with super-hi-tech. aka, "cannon fodder"

With the proposal to allow Dod/CIA to commit PsyOps against Human-Americans coupled with the DoD already using Hollywood to spew pro-war propaganda, it as clear as ever that ...

The Business of America is War (War and Weapon$$ mongering)

[PublicOption]

This guy is an asshole, but obama has nothing to do with this guys stupid opinion.

[PublicOption]

running into bullets is not natural and doing it for your country is extremely heroic.

[mingus]

"hero" has been over-used, depleted of meaning, and applied to damn near everybody.

I don't consider some unemployable grunt suckered into the military primarily for the pay (not for God, Country, and The American Way) and getting killed in a phony war a "hero", he's justed a wasted life, a casualty.

DoD propaganda suckers kids, many of them poverty-stricken, no education, with no upward mobility, with the implicit or explicit lure becoming a "hero" and playing with super-hi-tech. aka, "cannon fodder"

With the proposal to allow Dod/CIA to commit PsyOps against Human-Americans coupled with the DoD already using Hollywood to spew pro-war propaganda, it as clear as ever that ...

The Business of America is War (War and Weapon$$ mongering)

you have evidence to back up that claim?

[clambake]

you have evidence to back up that claim?

i've seen recordings of recruitment thats very similar. no big deal.

[mingus]

I agree with the host. I don't know what he said after that because it is cut off, but calling every fallen soldier a hero has some bad implications. It might not hit home to some people that they died fighting a stupid and unjust cause. It is the same reason I don't like that casualties aren't illustrated more oftenor at all. Sugar coating war is a bad thing.

[mingus]

i've seen recordings of recruitment thats very similar. no big deal.

i just would like to know where he gets the idea that "many" of them do it for that reason. It may be true, but I don't know. Personally, everyone that I know who is in the military is in it for other reasons that wanting to kill people and be a hero.

[Blake]

you have evidence to back up that claim?

a couple of years ago, I checked out Southwest High school play during football playoffs.

Outside was some kind of Go Army trailer with an Army video game system inside. Next to it was a souped up Hummer blasting music.

Plenty of high school kids hanging around it.

I've also seen that type of stuff down at South Padre during Spring Break

[clambake]

recruiters are under pressure. they have to "always be closing" or its back to the base.

[mingus]

a couple of years ago, I checked out Southwest High school play.

Outside was some kind of Go Army trailer with an Army video game system inside. Next to it was a souped up Hummer blasting music.

Plenty of high school kids hanging around it.

I've also seen that type of stuff down at South Padre during Spring Break

That is anectdotal evidence. I want statistical evidence or surveys that show that many people are joining to hold a gun and be a hero.

[Bill_Brasky]

Barring a military career being something you've always wanted, joining the military is probably the worst decision one could make.

[Blake]

That is anectdotal evidence. I want statistical evidence or surveys that show that many people are joining to hold a gun and be a hero.

Or else what?

[jack sommerset]

The host is being disingenuous. Memorial Day is a day of remembering the men and women who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces. It's pretty cut and dry. God bless

[z0sa]

Memorial Day is a day of remembering the men and women who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces. It's pretty cut and dry.

Basically word for word what I was thinking.

[Wild Cobra]

I have to agree with one of the comments on YouTube:

"I'm uncomfortable calling anyone at MSNBC a journalist. "

[Drachen]

The host is being disingenuous. Memorial Day is a day of remembering the men and women who died while serving in the United States Armed Forces. It's pretty cut and dry. God bless

Did I miss something? I didn't hear him say anything about redefining what memorial day is about, I only heard him talk about his being uncomfortable with the wholsale redefinition of the word "Hero" to mean any person who died while in a combat zone.

I guess the way I heard it is Memorial day is for any person who died while in a combat zone, the word hero is not.

(also, thanks for your definition of memorial day, same way I define it too. That was kinda why I made the tongue in cheek comment about the veteran's war on memorial day.)

[MannyIsGod]

a couple of years ago, I checked out Southwest High school play during football playoffs.

Outside was some kind of Go Army trailer with an Army video game system inside. Next to it was a souped up Hummer blasting music.

Plenty of high school kids hanging around it.

I've also seen that type of stuff down at South Padre during Spring Break

I started a thread here after witnessing such recruitment at SAC. They had a tent with video games (guitar fucking hero) and playing with a rover. When I went to go watch the Avengers in theaters, it was preceded by a Army commercial showing a bunch of guys running onto a beach (with no one shooting back at them).

Military recruitment today when most of the armed forces are used for acts I do not see as being correlated to our national security pretty much disgusts me.

[Spurminator]

Part of Memorial Day should be reminding ourselves to make sure our leaders are only asking the men and women of our Military to make sacrifice when absolutely necessary, and hoping for a day when we no longer have to ask for their sacrifice.

[MannyIsGod]

That is anectdotal evidence. I want statistical evidence or surveys that show that many people are joining to hold a gun and be a hero.

You think that they put up the tents with guitar hero and put out a FPS video game because people join out of some sense of honor or duty?

I haven't yet to look for the evidence you requested, and I will, but a simple common sense approach to the recruitment methods is in order as well.

[fraga]

i have to agree with one of the comments on youtube:

"i'm uncomfortable calling anyone at fox news a journalist. "

fify

[Jacob1983]

If they were true liberals, they would be handing out the food that is on that table to starving Americans or Africans. A damn shame.

[Biernutz]

Since there are no large anti-war protest in front of the White House or any large city anymore, I guess the far left liberals must now support the war in Afghanistan. I know the news media would have reported any such unrest or daily protest like in the Bush years. Thanks "O" for getting all the far left to support our troops in the field.

[Jacob1983]

Ron Paul pretty much told the truth on how Obama got the anti-war left to disappear. The anti-war left basically left when Barry became president. Liberals gladly now support nation building and bullying countries into submission because Barry supports it. Monkey see, monkey do.

[MannyIsGod]

Ron Paul pretty much told the truth on how Obama got the anti-war left to disappear. The anti-war left basically left when Barry became president. Liberals gladly now support nation building and bullying countries into submission because Barry supports it. Monkey see, monkey do.

Um, no?

[MannyIsGod]

Since there are no large anti-war protest in front of the White House or any large city anymore, I guess the far left liberals must now support the war in Afghanistan. I know the news media would have reported any such unrest or daily protest like in the Bush years. Thanks "O" for getting all the far left to support our troops in the field.

This is some of the dumbest logic I've ever read. Let me know when Obama invades a country like Iraq and I promise you that you'll see those protest again. The limited action in Libya got plenty of dissent.

[mavs>spurs]

Lol limited. They only overthrew a sovereign government using our own al ciada troops and massive air support

[MannyIsGod]

Did we invade? Did we use our full military? It was a limited action. I wasn't for it. Your stupidity doesn't change that it was limited.

[DarrinS]

I started a thread here after witnessing such recruitment at SAC. They had a tent with video games (guitar fucking hero) and playing with a rover. When I went to go watch the Avengers in theaters, it was preceded by a Army commercial showing a bunch of guys running onto a beach (with no one shooting back at them).

Military recruitment today when most of the armed forces are used for acts I do not see as being correlated to our national security pretty much disgusts me.



How do you suggest they recruit? It is a volunteer force.

[mavs>spurs]

Did we invade? Did we use our full military? It was a limited action. I wasn't for it. Your stupidity doesn't change that it was limited.

Full air support and contracted the ground troops in order to not be a war by technicality

[boutons_deux]

"volunteer force"

they've beens aggressively scraping the bottom of the barrel for poor kids for many years, while hyper-extending the Reserves for multiple tours. Not really volunteer when you have to lie to the ignorant, desperate-for-a-job kids and sucker them into getting fucked up in phony wars.

And wait for the DoD/NSA/CIA PsyOps wars on Human-Americans to really feed them tons of all-out pure bullshit LIES.

[Blake]

How do you suggest they recruit? It is a volunteer force.

anecdote: I've talked to several acquaintances that were recruiters that admit to some shady tactics to get the kids to sign that dotted line.

It's disgusting.

[boutons_deux]

and the multi-$100K ads (that's development costs, not airtime costs) showing a fantasy world that looks like a video game, with no mention of TBI, PSTD, missing limbs, faces, foreclosed homes while deployed, and all for nothing except enrichment of the MIC.

[Blake]

” Morning Edition, March 2, 2010 · America's Army, an online combat game developed by the Pentagon, has helped boost military recruitment. The game's technology is not all that different from the tools used in today's war zones to guide unmanned drones and perform other tasks.

In a recent article for Foreign Policy, Peter Singer, the director of the 21st Century Defense Initiative at the Brookings Institution, explored the question of how realistic that technology really is and the extent to which virtual and actual war have merged.

"It's what they call a 'first-person shooter,'" Singer tells NPR's Steve Inskeep; in the game, the player looks down the barrel of a gun on the battlefield.

Millions of people play the game. It ranks in the top 10 of all downloadable games; the Chinese government even sought to ban it. But its depictions of military training and combat were meant to be a recruiting tool —and America's Army has succeeded in that goal, Singer says.

"One study found that the game had more impact on actual recruits than all other forms of Army advertising combined," he says.........

http://www.npr.org/templates/text/s.php?sId=124216122&m=1

[George Gervin's Afro]

Full air support and contracted the ground troops in order to not be a war by technicality

lol..not knowing the difference between providing support and a full invasion..

[boutons_deux]

USA is technically "AT WAR" with many countries, where war is defined as one country's military invading the target country.

Obama Expands Secret Wars Across the Globe

In short, handing war to the special operators severs an already too tenuous link between war and politics; it becomes war for its own sake.

http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/155639