Once again Matt Bonner...

[ca®lo]

Proved his worth in the playoffs.

F@cking useless. :bang

Thank God dick is gone. :ihit

[Spurtacus]

he wasnt terrible nor great. Hes really there just to spread the floor ya know.

[slick'81]

gotta love his defense and rebounding

[spursfan1000]

At least he made a 3, I was surprised

[Obstructed_View]

Seriously, three years ago is on the phone. It's for you.

Gotta love that he's not starting and playing 35 minutes in the playoffs anymore. Frankly I don't know why you guys aren't thanking your personal god that he's not enough of a factor either way to require such strong opinions.

[TwelveGs210]

he wasnt terrible nor great. Hes really there just to spread his cheeks ya know.

Fixed.

[T Park]

He made a three and got a couple rebounds.

He's the fourth bigman.

Seriously, adjust expectations.

[TwelveGs210]

He made a three and got a couple rebounds.

He's the fourth bigman.

Seriously, adjust expectations.

Could have sworn he's been the first big off the bench lately..

[Obstructed_View]

Could have sworn he's been the first big off the bench lately..

Which is only for matchup reasons. How many minutes did he play? How many post ups did he have to guard? How many points did he give up? Again, this is the conversation we had three years ago, except for two things: 1. I was on your side of it, and 2. It made sense to have this discussion at the time.

[T Park]

Could have sworn he's been the first big off the bench lately..

So what?

Ginobili comes off the bench, does that mean Green is better?

[GSH]

The first time the Thunder ate into the Spurs' lead was immdediately after Bonner entered the game. The second time the Thunder started devouring the Spurs' lead was right after Bonner entered the game. Okay, so it's not all his fault. But he's not spreading the floor on the offensive end. Mostly he doesn't want to take a shot, so he takes two dribbles and dumps it off to someone. It's bad enough when a guy is missing 3's - but when he won't take them? The Thunder are just about playing 5-on-4 when he's out there.

[eyeh8u]

4810YXU-mjI

this is why bonner is worth something

[T Park]

The first time the Thunder ate into the Spurs' lead was immdediately after Bonner entered the game. The second time the Thunder started devouring the Spurs' lead was right after Bonner entered the game. Okay, so it's not all his fault. But he's not spreading the floor on the offensive end. Mostly he doesn't want to take a shot, so he takes two dribbles and dumps it off to someone. It's bad enough when a guy is missing 3's - but when he won't take them? The Thunder are just about playing 5-on-4 when he's out there.

?
Didn't he help extend the lead with his made 3?

[angelbelow]

?
Didn't he help extend the lead with his made 3?

Hes referring to the 2nd half when Bonner entered with about 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd.

[hoopdreams11]

He was behind on every defensive play causing the Spurs defense to collapse in the 3rd and early in the 4th

[Gagnrath]

I'm confused..... I thought Bonner was the king of +/- how does he have a -4?

[rasho8]

Hes referring to the 2nd half when Bonner entered with about 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd.

You mean when they were hacking Splitter for 3 minutes?

[ElNono]

tbh, people will bitch for me saying this, but while he and Splitter were out there we couldn't grab a rebound... and it was Collison (his dude) getting all of them...

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly he should not be in these games. Neither should Blair, but the Spurs should likely shorten their rotation to 3 bigs with one of the 3s filling in for small ball 4 when its needed.

Given the way Pop refused to sit Neal in the Clippers series I don't see this happening so I just hope he makes some 3s.

[NRHector]

why even bother to make another thread about Bonner, we all know he sucks

[ElNono]

He also fouled Harden on a drive to the basket for an and1 that cut the lead to under 10... it just feels like every time he fouls a driver is an automatic and1...

[Obstructed_View]

It's a good matchup against Collison. Not sure what you guys would prefer.

[NRHector]

It's a good matchup against Collison. Not sure what you guys would prefer.

for him to do what he's supposed to do, make 3's and rebounds

[MannyIsGod]

It's a good matchup against Collison. Not sure what you guys would prefer.

How so? Because he's getting destroyed on the boards and he's not exactly shooting lights out. The Thunder do a good job (or have done in this series) of closing out on threes and Bonner is so slow on those closeouts that it really hurts the Spurs movement.

If Bonner hits his 3s at a good clip I'm not sure it outweighs his inability to keep Collison off the boards. I'm a defender of Bonner, but he's not giving enough (that another player can't give) in this matchup for me to think its a good one.

[NRHector]

Bonner takes too much time to shoot a 3, it seem like he has to lock and load
and that gives enough time for the defender to contest the shot

[Manudona]

Hes referring to the 2nd half when Bonner entered with about 5 minutes remaining in the 3rd.

Are you guys seriously blaming Bonner for all the FT missed by Splitter? Un-fucking-believable

Bonner entered with 4:19 and the game 80-62

Immediately there is a Duncan TO where Bonner has nothing to be blamed for which ends in a layup by Harden, its in the highlights so you can watch it. This is followed by yet another Duncan's TO, steal by Perkings that ends with a Durant finger roll, score 80-66 and I do not see how Bonner is responsible for any of that.

After three FT for Manu, the HAS starts, and I am pretty sure Bonner was not missing those FT!

Duncan came back for Splitter with the game 74-88 and the whole team out of rhythm following the HAS, yet, somehow, is Bonner's fault

[BackHome]

Not a Bonner hater but today he really sucked I mean no rebounding, no offense, he looks lost on defense and offense he is scarred to take the shot.

Bottom line keep Diaw or Tiago in the game not Bonner........If he ain't hot after ten minutes they yank his ass.

[T Park]

So what Pop did tonight then...

[Cow Eye]

Unfortunately, if Splitter doesn't improve his free throws by game 3, we'll be seeing much more Bonner.

[ElNono]

Unfortunately, if Splitter doesn't improve his free throws by game 3, we'll be seeing much more Bonner.

Not necessarily. Brooks will use hack-a-splitter only if they're already in the penalty. It might mean Tiago not closing the first 3 quarters, but the Spurs can simply close with Diaw instead.

[angelbelow]

You mean when they were hacking Splitter for 3 minutes?

When the Thunder deployed their hack a Splitter strategy, the Spurs had a 16 point lead. Down from 22 after Bonner came into the game for Diaw.

Not saying that Bonner is specifically responsible for losing the lead but that's what happened.

[Obstructed_View]

How so? Because he's getting destroyed on the boards and he's not exactly shooting lights out. The Thunder do a good job (or have done in this series) of closing out on threes and Bonner is so slow on those closeouts that it really hurts the Spurs movement.

If Bonner hits his 3s at a good clip I'm not sure it outweighs his inability to keep Collison off the boards. I'm a defender of Bonner, but he's not giving enough (that another player can't give) in this matchup for me to think its a good one.

I guess we weren't watching the same game. Bonner was down in the paint helping with defense while Collison stood out near the three point line. The Thunder got a lot of rebounds, but they were fifty fifty balls off jumpshots. They weren't even trying to score inside. Collison got one offensive rebound, and he stole it from Danny Green.

Don't know what you mean by slow on closeouts, I assume you mean his shooting motion is slow, which it is, but the jump shooters were wide open tonight. He was open enough to shoot three times, and he passed up one of them for an assist to Manu and hit one of his two shots. He also drew a couple of fouls off guards. I could really care less about his shooting at this point; as long as he's not getting abused in the post, missing rotations or weakly fouling in the paint I'm fine with what he brings.

Against probably any other team I'd be on board with this idea, but you can't put Blair in that spot because he's not really any better of a defensive rebounder, he's more prone to mistakes on defense, and he's got no range on the other end. You can't put one of the smaller guys in there due to the size of the guy he'd be guarding. Bonner's perfect against front lines full of guys who can't post up a stop sign and can't make a basket without paint under their feet.

Additionally, why do we want him taking more than three shots on a team that drops 120 on the Thunder in the western conference finals?

[NRHector]

Are you guys seriously blaming Bonner for all the FT missed by Splitter? Un-fucking-believable

Bonner entered with 4:19 and the game 80-62

Immediately there is a Duncan TO where Bonner has nothing to be blamed for which ends in a layup by Harden, its in the highlights so you can watch it. This is followed by yet another Duncan's TO, steal by Perkings that ends with a Durant finger roll, score 80-66 and I do not see how Bonner is responsible for any of that.

After three FT for Manu, the HAS starts, and I am pretty sure Bonner was not missing those FT!

Duncan came back for Splitter with the game 74-88 and the whole team out of rhythm following the HAS, yet, somehow, is Bonner's fault

if all of them were fucking up Bonner should've stepped up his game and do something productive like more 3s and better defense, he looks like he's always lost out there

[Obstructed_View]

Seriously fuck you guys for making me have to defend him.

[GSH]

Are you guys seriously blaming Bonner for all the FT missed by Splitter? Un-fucking-believable




Be serious. Nobody is stupid enough to blame Bonner for missed FT's by Splitter. Bonner entered the game with the Spurs ahead by 19. One minute later, the lead was 14. THEN they started fouling Tiago. And Bonner's defense during that stretch didn't help.

And, no, it's not Bonner's fault directly when Tim turns the ball over. But when the other team can collapse on Tim because everyone can see that Bonner doesn't want to shoot it? That's a problem. And yeah, it does contribute to the turnovers by other players. I'm not a huge fan of the +/-, but I don't think it's coincidence that Bonner was -4 tonight.

In case you missed it the first time - when a guy who is out there to spread the floor doesn't want to take the shot, it's a problem. He's got to put them up when he's open, just to keep the defense honest. Yeah, it's better when he makes them. But he's not even a decoy if they know he's going to pass.

[T Park]

Seriously fuck you guys for making me have to defend him.

Most well reasoned and perfect argument for him I've ever seen here honestly :lol

[MannyIsGod]

Seriously fuck you guys for making me have to defend him.

:lmao

[tesseractive]

Obstructed_View with the reluctant goods. :lmao

[NRHector]

Seriously fuck you guys for making me have to defend him.

you just can't tbh

[TwelveGs210]

So what?

Ginobili comes off the bench, does that mean Green is better?

Not sure what you took outta my last post T Park, but that's nowhere what I am saying. You said he is the fourth big, he's not currently. I could really careless about his
role, expectations, etc, but..

..When a rookie who's comes into the NBA with almost NO offensive skills and is shooting a higher 3PT % in the PO's than a supposed "marksman", that's an issue to me..

[T Park]

Not sure what you took outta my last post T Park, but that's nowhere what I am saying. You said he is the fourth big, he's not currently. I could really careless about his
role, expectations, etc, but..

..When a rookie who's comes into the NBA with almost NO offensive skills and is shooting a higher 3PT % in the PO's than a supposed "marksman", that's an issue to me..


Its 100% on what your saying.

You say "Well hes the first big off the bench therefore he's not the fourth big"

Just because he comes off first doesn't mean he's high on the totem pole.

[therealtruth]

I'm confused..... I thought Bonner was the king of +/- how does he have a -4?

That's only in the regular season.

[Drz]

..When a rookie who's comes into the NBA with almost NO offensive skills and is shooting a higher 3PT % in the PO's than a supposed "marksman", that's an issue to me..
Durant shooting .340 from 3P this postseason. What a bum. Choker.

LeBron, .244. Awful. Hack hack choke. Worst postseason ever.

Kobe, .283. Guess he couldn't take the pressure.

When a person with rudimentary understanding of basketball and statistics tries to speak on a topic they are uninformed about, that's an issue to me.

[Spurtacus]

I'm stoked we have Diaw. If not Bonner would be seeing around 25-30 minutes a game. His 17 minutes tonight was the most since Game 4 at Utah.

But I still don't see the point of this thread. We won. He didn't completely suck. He wasn't the worst player on the court tonight-I think Neal because of his defense on Fisher.

[underdawg]

Be serious. Nobody is stupid enough to blame Bonner for missed FT's by Splitter. Bonner entered the game with the Spurs ahead by 19. One minute later, the lead was 14. THEN they started fouling Tiago. And Bonner's defense during that stretch didn't help.

And, no, it's not Bonner's fault directly when Tim turns the ball over. But when the other team can collapse on Tim because everyone can see that Bonner doesn't want to shoot it? That's a problem. And yeah, it does contribute to the turnovers by other players. I'm not a huge fan of the +/-, but I don't think it's coincidence that Bonner was -4 tonight.

In case you missed it the first time - when a guy who is out there to spread the floor doesn't want to take the shot, it's a problem. He's got to put them up when he's open, just to keep the defense honest. Yeah, it's better when he makes them. But he's not even a decoy if they know he's going to pass.

Plain and simple (this has been my argument for a while – maybe even 3 years) – the Spurs are going to need a complete performance from all of their players that get minutes. It’s funny the flack I’ve received for criticizing a role player, but here we are watching the Spurs go 10 deep in the playoffs – funny how that works.

The big 3 are no longer capable of doing what Durant, Westbrook and Harden can do and yet their advantage is the role players that surround them. I don’t know if it was Kenny or Chuck that said it, but it was a valid point that the Spurs don’t have to rely on their points from 3 players. But, I think they miss the point that the Spurs can no longer rely on their points just from 3 players.

It’s not just points either, it’s big plays that come from Diaw’s passing, Jackson, Leonard and Green’s defense and sometimes Neal, Leonard, Splitter, and Green’s offense.

At this point, I hope Bonner starts to play beyond what he’s done in the regular season just as his teammates have played beyond their regular season ability or at least on the same level. If he can’t, it will hurt the Spurs and at some point you have no option but to give Blair a try because at least he’s shown that he can create plays and on an occasion play beyond his regular season level. I get thate we're talking about limited minutes, but I still think that even 17 minutes of playing time can help influence the game.

Oh yeah, I still stick to the idea of using the amnesty on Bonner next year especially if it means bringing back Diaw.

[Drz]

Oh yeah, I still stick to the idea of using the amnesty on Bonner next year especially if it means bringing back Diaw.

http://www.clearpathtofitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/picard-facepalm1.jpg

[underdawg]

http://www.clearpathtofitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/picard-facepalm1.jpg

just so I'm clear - the cap room necessary to sign diaw is not worth the amnesty on Bonner? If I don't understand this correctly, please elaborate

[TwelveGs210]

Durant shooting .340 from 3P this postseason. What a bum. Choker.

LeBron, .244. Awful. Hack hack choke. Worst postseason ever.

Kobe, .283. Guess he couldn't take the pressure.

When a person with rudimentary understanding of basketball and statistics tries to speak on a topic they are uninformed about, that's an issue to me.

Blah. Bonner is shooting mostly non-contested set shots on an offense geared to get a shooter open. He's made one IIRC. The others you mentioned shoot mostly off the dribble, out of rythym, etc. Durant has had a few open shots usually off two or three picks, but I don't remember many open threes..misleading numbers, tbh.

[Spur|n|Austin]

4810YXU-mjI

this is why bonner is worth something

HA! This made me feel like I was tripping acid again, and again, and again..

[Drz]

just so I'm clear - the cap room necessary to sign diaw is not worth the amnesty on Bonner? If I don't understand this correctly, please elaborate
Not sure if srs?

Statistically, Bonner is one of the most efficient players on the Spurs, trailing only the big 3. They score far more points when he's on the floor AND they give up slightly less. In terms of points on the scoreboard (and thus of course wins), Bonner is indispensable.

Ignoring that, his salary this year is ~$3.3M, and I believe he stays under $4M next year. So it is VERY far from an albatross contract. On the contrary, it's quite the bargain. You only get to use the amnesty once, so you'd want to save it for a time that would have a huge impact, such as if if we still had RJ's contract.

Your amenesty idea, to be quite frank, is an embarrassment to the Spurs community. If I were a fan of another team and read your post, I would think Spurs fans have some sort of mental retardation. It is mind-blowingly stupid, to the point that it is, no exaggeration, the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum.

bySPPZvcnXo

[underdawg]

Not sure if srs?

Statistically, Bonner is one of the most efficient players on the Spurs, trailing only the big 3. They score far more points when he's on the floor AND they give up slightly less. In terms of points on the scoreboard (and thus of course wins), Bonner is indispensable.

Ignoring that, his salary this year is ~$3.3M, and I believe he stays under $4M next year. So it is VERY far from an albatross contract. On the contrary, it's quite the bargain. You only get to use the amnesty once, so you'd want to save it for a time that would have a huge impact, such as if if we still had RJ's contract.

Your amenesty idea, to be quite frank, is an embarrassment to the Spurs community. If I were a fan of another team and read your post, I would think Spurs fans have some sort of mental retardation. It is mind-blowingly stupid, to the point that it is, no exaggeration, the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum.

bySPPZvcnXo

Chazley - is that you? Come on fess up - it is you Chazley isn't it?

You never answered my question, but in case I wasn't clear I'll ask it again.

Would you approve of the Spurs using their amnesty on Bonner if necessary to retain Diaw?

[Drz]

Would you approve of the Spurs using their amnesty on Bonner if necessary to retain Diaw?
I thought my implicit answer was more than clear. No I would not.

[Sean Cagney]

Not sure if srs?

Statistically, Bonner is one of the most efficient players on the Spurs, trailing only the big 3. They score far more points when he's on the floor AND they give up slightly less. In terms of points on the scoreboard (and thus of course wins), Bonner is indispensable.

Ignoring that, his salary this year is ~$3.3M, and I believe he stays under $4M next year. So it is VERY far from an albatross contract. On the contrary, it's quite the bargain. You only get to use the amnesty once, so you'd want to save it for a time that would have a huge impact, such as if if we still had RJ's contract.

Your amenesty idea, to be quite frank, is an embarrassment to the Spurs community. If I were a fan of another team and read your post, I would think Spurs fans have some sort of mental retardation. It is mind-blowingly stupid, to the point that it is, no exaggeration, the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum.

bySPPZvcnXo

Keep that F IN bum then and play him less during this part of the year like we did in 07 and now! The less he plays the more we seem to win if he plays his role correctly! I love the fact we have Diaw now though, so we don't have to overplay some bums anymore or rely on them as much, which is why we are winning TBO! BTW LOL Bonner one of the most efficient, he is not one of our top 5 players on this team nor near it, period end of cot damn story!

The fact he gets less MINS this year is KEY, like 07 less mins we win if he plays his little role. If the Spurs rely on him for BIG MINS they are in some shyt, period.

[Drz]

Keep that fim bum then and play him less during this part of the year like we did in 07 and now! The less he plays the more we seem to win if he plays his role correctly! I love the fact we have Diaw now though, so we don't have to overplay some bums anymore or rely on them as much, which is why we are winning TBO! BTW LOL Bonner one of the most efficient, he is not one of our top 5 players on this team nor near it, period end of cot damn story!

The fact he gets less MINS this year is KEY, like 07 less mins we win if he plays his little role. If the Spurs rely on him for BIG MINS they are in some shyt, period.
I debate with underdawg because I think he is a reasonable person and can understand things. You are clearly a lost cause and not worth my time.

Although I was amused at your acronym for To Be Honest. :p: I guess you could be cute, in the dumb dog sort of way.

[Sean Cagney]

I debate with underdawg because I think he is a reasonable person and can understand things. You are clearly a lost cause and not worth my time.

Although I was amused at your acronym for To Be Honest. :p:

If I am a lost cause you are dead to me with what you said to be honest............. Try big words and so on to justify your bullshit, but honestly you are just another idiot to say the least.............:rollin:rollin If you defend this dude at any cost to me, you are just a lost soul.


Oh yeah fuc*k the Amnesty on this dude, just get rid of his sorry ass or play him less........ Thats seems to be the recipe for a title and has for 07 and this year in which he played less, chew on that shyt. Fuck BONNER AND IF YOU ARE DOWN WITH BONNER FUCK YOU TOO! :ihit

[angelbelow]

Durant shooting .340 from 3P this postseason. What a bum. Choker.

LeBron, .244. Awful. Hack hack choke. Worst postseason ever.

Kobe, .283. Guess he couldn't take the pressure.

When a person with rudimentary understanding of basketball and statistics tries to speak on a topic they are uninformed about, that's an issue to me.

In general, I agree with you about Bonner serving a purpose spreading the floor even when he doesn't shoot/misses. (Whether hes effective when he doesn't shoot/misses is another topic.)

But those examples are terrible. None of those guys are dedicated 3 point shooters and all of them have heavier roles on their respective teams.

[ElNono]

Durant shooting .340 from 3P this postseason. What a bum. Choker.

LeBron, .244. Awful. Hack hack choke. Worst postseason ever.

Kobe, .283. Guess he couldn't take the pressure.

When a person with rudimentary understanding of basketball and statistics tries to speak on a topic they are uninformed about, that's an issue to me.

Kobe *IS* a choker. That is all, carry on.

[ElNono]

I would amnesty Bonner just so he isn't an option for Pop and also to regain some of my hair. But yeah, his contract isn't worth the amnesty and he's still an useful regular season player. I'm glad Pop finally figured out the playoffs are out of Matty's league.

[PÒÓCH]

Sometimes players are part of a team not just to be role players but also for chemistry. It is a well known fact that Bonner is well liked by the team and the coaching staff, that accounts for a lot, after all it is team chemistry that has differentiated the Spurs from other NBA teams. I honestly don't think you can count on one hand other teams that are as close or closer that the Spurs when it comes to this department. They go to movies together for god sake!

Stop being a back seat quarter back and just appreciate the fact that pop and R.C. know what they're doing.

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/941824/rDQlv_medium.jpg

[Vash StampedE]

Bonner Haters Gonna Hate.

[therealtruth]

He also fouled Harden on a drive to the basket for an and1 that cut the lead to under 10... it just feels like every time he fouls a driver is an automatic and1...

[ElNono]

^ tbh, to elaborate on that, I think not only he instills no fear on the attacking player, but also doesn't get any respect from the refs. He's like the fall guy or the designated driver. We gotta screw a guy, let's stick it to the white unathletic guy with a kid face who probably won't complain.

Just my opinion.

[freetiago]

i remember nick kareem olajuwon collison grabbing every offensive rebound available when bon bon was in the game

i also remember him getting a pass near the end of the quarter and immediately shoving it off to gary neal without any thought
its a smart play since hes matt bonner but you could just tell the ball is his kyrptonite
im disgusted watching him get an open 3 only to put it on the floor then pick up his dribble and stand around waiting for tony/manu to come get it back

[Russo21]

Maybe we'll see Thunder killer Blair on the road in game 3 ahead of Bonner?

[DAF86]

How awesome would it be for the Spurs to win a playoffs game with a Bonner buzzer beater?

[therealtruth]

i remember nick kareem olajuwon collison grabbing every offensive rebound available when bon bon was in the game

i also remember him getting a pass near the end of the quarter and immediately shoving it off to gary neal without any thought
its a smart play since hes matt bonner but you could just tell the ball is his kyrptonite
im disgusted watching him get an open 3 only to put it on the floor then pick up his dribble and stand around waiting for tony/manu to come get it back

They were basically 50/50 balls. Bonner's got to do a better job of boxing out.

[temujin]

You gotta love sports fans, they are funny specimens of the human species.

At the beginning of the season, here is a realistic outlook of the San Antonio Spurs.

Duncan: 36 years old HOF that looked done in the Dallas series three years ago. Overdone in the Phoenix sweep in 2010. Completely digested in the Memphis sweep last year.
Parker: 30 years old speedster that lost some of his speed over some 10 ankle injuries, and who had stubbornly refused to play any defense for 2 years. Played all summer with France.
Ginobili: one of the greatest ever to play the game, 34, and having broken bones in just about every part of his body. For good measure, the future HOF breaks his hand 5 games into the season, requiring surgery.
Jefferson: enough said.
Blair: 6 5 "center" with no ACLs, overweight, no jump shot beyond 9 feet. Bad defense.
Neal: cheap jump shooter, short for a 2 guard, can't guard any decent 2 guard. Limited ballhandlings.
Leonard: 20 years old rookie. Not explosively athletic, suspect jump shot, no experience whatsoever of tough games.
Green: cut by Cleveland. Cut by Spurs. Looked mediocre on a bad Euroleague team in the fall.
Splitter: China doll from Brazil, rode the pine for most of the previous season, including the playoffs, due -in part- to jujuries.
TJ Ford: another China doll. In fact, after an harmstring injury, he gets a hard hit and decides to quit on basketball.
J Anderson: third China doll, 6 months to recover from harmstring injury, immediately broke a foot, ending previous season.

Bonner.

Somehow, they manage to get rid of Jefferson and get
Jackson: 34, bounced around by n teams around the NBA in the previous seasons.
Diaw: overweight and generally looking bad, on one of the worst teams in 60 years of NBA history (and probably in the history of the sport, cost-wise).
Mills: 6 1 shooting guard, cut by Portland.

Now, somehow these guys form one of the most cohesive squads to ever play the game. They also look outright unstoppable, sweeping the Jazz and Clippers. Currently they are up 2-0 in WCF, and quite sijmply, they play basketball EXACTLY the way basketball is supposed to be played.

And what some of the fans do?

Bitch about Matt frigging Bonner!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

^ The goods :toast

Forgot Pop - apparently senile, lost it around 2007, would have been sacked if he wasn't also the GM, chief scout and president of basketball operations or whatever.

[wut]

The first time the Thunder ate into the Spurs' lead was immdediately after Bonner entered the game. The second time the Thunder started devouring the Spurs' lead was right after Bonner entered the game. Okay, so it's not all his fault. But he's not spreading the floor on the offensive end. Mostly he doesn't want to take a shot, so he takes two dribbles and dumps it off to someone. It's bad enough when a guy is missing 3's - but when he won't take them? The Thunder are just about playing 5-on-4 when he's out there.
This. I'm tired of watching the leads disappear when he enters the games.

[wut]

Maybe we'll see Thunder killer Blair on the road in game 3 ahead of Bonner?

Honestly I think Pop will only go to Blair if he's so pissed off and disgusted by the play of our other bigs and Spurs are down 20....then again that very well may happen in game 3.

[temujin]

^ The goods :toast

Forgot Pop - apparently senile, lost it around 2007, would have been sacked if he wasn't also the GM, chief scout and president of basketball operations or whatever.

My bad.

Popovic: 66, future HOF, lost interest. "If I don't win with this team I should be fired!" (fall 2009). Get swept, keep his job.

[Borosai]

Big game 3 coming up.

[coyotes_geek]

Things must be good for the Spurs right now if the only thing people have to bitch about is a reserve big man who's only playing 14mpg in the playoffs and shooting 40% on his 3's.

[OldSilentHill]

No 3´s = GTFO Bonner :rolleyes

[therealtruth]

My bad.

Popovic: 66, future HOF, lost interest. "If I don't win with this team I should be fired!" (fall 2009). Get swept, keep his job.

People forgot about that. It wasn't one of his best years. Couldn't figure out a rotation all season.

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i remember nick kareem olajuwon collison grabbing every offensive rebound available when bon bon was in the game
Yeah, all of his offensive rebounds were against Bonner. By the way, he had one in the entire game. One for kareem collison. :lol


i also remember him getting a pass near the end of the quarter and immediately shoving it off to gary neal without any thought

Yeah that was frustrating to watch. Only it was Boris Diaw.


its a smart play since hes matt bonner but you could just tell the ball is his kyrptonite
im disgusted watching him get an open 3 only to put it on the floor then pick up his dribble and stand around waiting for tony/manu to come get it back

He put it on the floor once in the game and made an assist to Manu. He didn't pick up his dribble. Are you guys speaking in generalizations where you have all of Bonner's lowlights in your head when you see him? Do you just drift off into fantasy land while he's on the floor and you miss what he does?

If I heard someone saying that he tries to avoid fouling on breakaways or embarrassingly ducks away from contact when he's supposed to be protecting the rim I'd be on board with you. If you even talked about how he can't buy a call and runs like a fag I'd at least understand. The stuff you guys are making up is laughable.

Bonner spent his time on either Collison or Fisher and cheated way into the paint to help on defense. If you want to blame anyone for the turnaround, blame Gary Neal, who went Michael Finley on James Harden and let him get hot. Again, asking Bonner to take more shots when the Spurs scored 120 borders on brain dead.

[Paranoid Pop]

:lol Bonner lovers

Bonner doesn't deserve to be on this team tbh, he's a ball stopper, shot passer, possession killer, uncordinated ginger. If the ball goes through Bonner's hand and doesn't immediately flies for a 3 attempt then he fucked the possession, no matter what he does, even if it results in a basket it's despite Bonner. He's still there because Tim or Pop must really like him.

And if the amnesty of Bonner allows to keep more great contributors like Green and Diaw then do it in an heartbeat.

[Paranoid Pop]

Things must be good for the Spurs right now if the only thing people have to bitch about is a reserve big man who's only playing 14mpg in the playoffs and shooting 40% on his 3's.

No, the entire offensive system relies on the 3 pt shot and our second unit is a crucial edge on the remaining teams. So no you can't say no big deal, besides it's documented that Pop tells players they have to shoot or they come off the court, seems like Bonner is so special that he's above the rules :downspin:.

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:lol Bonner lovers

Yeah, that's me, the big Bonner lover. :rolleyes

[Poolboy5623]

Ive watched all of the playoff games very closely...havent missed a play of the WCF and I can say with 100% certainty that Bonner is STILL playing too many minutes. His min should be given to Blair or Splitter/Diaw/Timmy...its really that simple. He isnt shooting with confidence and the team gets beaten up badly on the boards whenever he is in the game....I dont see what good he is doing the team at this point.

[T Park]

Ive watched all of the playoff games very closely...havent missed a play of the WCF and I can say with 100% certainty that Bonner is STILL playing too many minutes. His min should be given to Blair or Splitter/Diaw/Timmy...its really that simple. He isnt shooting with confidence and the team gets beaten up badly on the boards whenever he is in the game....I dont see what good he is doing the team at this point.

Yes let's over play Duncan with the one day off between games.

[Blake]

Spurs win, Bonner sucks thread gets started.

Per the usual, par for the course

[Keepin' it real]

I hate Matty as much as everyone else does for his choking ways, but he's been bad in the playoffs for so long, I've got a hunch he's due.

[Poolboy5623]

Yes let's over play Duncan with the one day off between games.

Overplay duncan..are you f-ing kidding me?? the guy hasnt been "overplayed" his entire career!! Pop is the only coach around that rests his stars and while I dont disagree w/ that(entirely) its not the reg season anymore!! Im pretty sure timmy will be ok, but if not there is still:
Tiago, Boris, Dejuan, and hell even Kawhi at the 4 makes more sense then bonner playing in a series like this. the spurs have more than enough 3 pt shooters...I would rather their "bigs" stick to the paint mostly..and the guards can spread the floor-

[Poolboy5623]

Spurs win, Bonner sucks thread gets started.

Per the usual, par for the course

These threads wouldnt exist if Bonner didnt do his annual playoff choke job...only difference this year is the Spurs dont need him to do anything big to be successful...otherwise this board would be up in flames(if they did have to count on him)- doesnt mean we have to feel sorry for the guy-

[Blake]

These threads wouldnt exist if Bonner didnt do his annual playoff choke job...only difference this year is the Spurs dont need him to do anything big to be successful...otherwise this board would be up in flames(if they did have to count on him)- doesnt mean we have to feel sorry for the guy-

when has he choked this year?

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He only shot 50 percent from the free throw line. We want 100, motherfuckers!

[temujin]

Overplay duncan..are you f-ing kidding me?? the guy hasnt been "overplayed" his entire career!! Pop is the only coach around that rests his stars and while I dont disagree w/ that(entirely) its not the reg season anymore!! Im pretty sure timmy will be ok, but if not there is still:
Tiago, Boris, Dejuan, and hell even Kawhi at the 4 makes more sense then bonner playing in a series like this. the spurs have more than enough 3 pt shooters...I would rather their "bigs" stick to the paint mostly..and the guards can spread the floor-

:lol
That's exactly what the Spurs are trying to avoid.
There is a free job at Charlotte.
Apply.

[lurker23]

I'm not really sure why this thread even exists. Bonner is hitting 40% of his three-pointers in these playoffs, playing his role, and not playing extended minutes. The threat of him and Boris Diaw hitting 3-pointers is part of what's keeping the Thunder from clogging the lane against the Spurs penetrating guards.

Is he a world-beater? Of course not. You don't get All-Star players (on non-rookie contracts) for less than $4 million.

Sit back and enjoy this amazing ride, Spurs fans, and stop bitching about the 9th or 10th most important Spur finally filling the role he was signed to fill.

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I'm not really sure why this thread even exists. Bonner is hitting 40% of his three-pointers in these playoffs, playing his role, and not playing extended minutes. The threat of him and Boris Diaw hitting 3-pointers is part of what's keeping the Thunder from clogging the lane against the Spurs penetrating guards.

Is he a world-beater? Of course not. You don't get All-Star players (on non-rookie contracts) for less than $4 million.

Sit back and enjoy this amazing ride, Spurs fans, and stop bitching about the 9th or 10th most important Spur finally filling the role he was signed to fill.

This x1000. Seriously, guys. He's not starting. He's not playing 35 minutes. Instead of guarding Rasheed Wallace and Lamarcus Aldridge he's checking Nick Collison and Derek Fisher.

[tesseractive]

Overplay duncan..are you f-ing kidding me?? the guy hasnt been "overplayed" his entire career!! Pop is the only coach around that rests his stars and while I dont disagree w/ that(entirely) its not the reg season anymore!! Im pretty sure timmy will be ok, but if not there is still:
Tiago, Boris, Dejuan, and hell even Kawhi at the 4 makes more sense then bonner playing in a series like this. the spurs have more than enough 3 pt shooters...I would rather their "bigs" stick to the paint mostly..and the guards can spread the floor-

Spurs drop 120 in the conference finals and still have their offense second guessed by random internet posters.

Makes sense to me. :rolleyes