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spursfaninla
05-31-2012, 02:23 PM
Thunder's defense changed the Spurs offense. Although we managed to still score well, the way we scored changed, and if that trend continues it spells trouble for the next few games. Here is why:

Thunder Forced Perimeter Shots, and we missed a lot: 5/14 (35%); 2/7 (28%)from 3pt.

For the quarter, we got 16 of 28 of our points from the perimeter.

Thunder forced us to shoot way more perimeter shots than previously, including more mid-range shots. Mostly Danny Green missed his 3pt shots, but that is a lot of perimeter shots, especially when you consider

Spurs: 4/7 in the paint.

Thus, 17/24 shots were from the perimeter (not counting those that resulted in 2 free throws).

Thunder Shots and Points in the Paint: 8/12, (counting 8 foot shot as paint.)

Thunder Mid-range shots: 0/2; with 2/4 3pt shooting.

The inverse of the Spurs shooting breakdown, with the Thunder shooting 12 of their 18 fourth-quarter shots in the paint. They got 6 of their 35 points from the perimeter.

Thunder Did not Foul Much: We made 6 of 7 fts, but they made 13/15. The free throw disparity was largely the difference in the quarter.

Some will say, then, that this is the concern. However, I think it shows how the thunder offense was working differently than the Spurs. Spurs offense was not generating inside looks, plain and simple. The fouls were occurring largely in the paint, where they took the vast majority of their shots.

Thunder defense was keeping us out of the paint, and our defense was not able to do the same.

My point: Thunder offense AND Spurs defense changed in the 4th, perhaps with the changes they made on the pick and roll, and perhaps because of small ball with Perkins. If the trends from the 4th continue, the next few games are going to be very difficult to win.

Keepin' it real
05-31-2012, 02:28 PM
The Spurs missed a lot of shots in the 4th because Danny Green played meaningful clutch minutes, and we all saw that he's not ready for that kind of pressure. Neal is. Jackson is. Those two should be out there instead of Green in the 4th.

benstanfield
05-31-2012, 02:28 PM
Spurs would've been fine in the fourth if Danny Green could hit the broad side of a barn. Pretty sure Pop is willing to live with wide open threes, and if the guys that have been hitting them all season go 0/4 like Green then you kinda just have to shrug it off.

spursfaninla
05-31-2012, 02:34 PM
Green is not the problem. That is putting your head in the sand. Simply making our perimeter shots does not fix this problem. If the other team is getting into the paint for 3/4 of their shots, and you are getting into the paint for 1/4 of your shots, they will shoot more free throws that you, will inevitably make more shots than you, and will probably win.

benstanfield
05-31-2012, 02:46 PM
Green is not the problem. That is putting your head in the sand. Simply making our perimeter shots does not fix this problem. If the other team is getting into the paint for 3/4 of their shots, and you are getting into the paint for 1/4 of your shots, they will shoot more free throws that you, will inevitably make more shots than you, and will probably win.

They were in the bonus about 2 minutes into the quarter, of course they are going to take it to the hoop every time and try to get calls. Westbrook and Durant really aren't great finishers around the rim. Let them do that shit without us fouling so liberally (Diaw) and see what happens.

And yes, Danny Green is the problem. Our starting SG is 4-16 from the field, taking wide open shots.

Keepin' it real
05-31-2012, 02:49 PM
Green is not the problem. That is putting your head in the sand.

Oh. OK. Thanks.

therealtruth
05-31-2012, 03:32 PM
They were in the bonus about 2 minutes into the quarter, of course they are going to take it to the hoop every time and try to get calls. Westbrook and Durant really aren't great finishers around the rim. Let them do that shit without us fouling so liberally (Diaw) and see what happens.

And yes, Danny Green is the problem. Our starting SG is 4-16 from the field, taking wide open shots.

The problem is he's letting his offense affect his defense. He needs to play better defense and stay in front of his man. There's no reason for an offensively inept guy like Sefalosha to be scoring on him.

Whisky Dog
05-31-2012, 04:53 PM
Product of having a fairly big lead in the third and going into the 4th IMO. In what NBA playoff game have you seen a team with a 14 or so or lead going into the 4th never let the lead shrink and win by 20+? It just doesn't happen often, thunder played harder to claw back and the Spurs were a bit out of sorts after dominating most of the third. That just happens in the NBA, I wouldn't extrapolate that to be meaningful for a whole game. Besides, once it got to 6 the Spurs got back to what they do and won crunch time en route to a 9 pt win.

spursfaninla
05-31-2012, 06:11 PM
I certainly hope that Tim, Tony, and Manu did not get into the paint because they were tired, or they got impatient, or did not figure out an adjustment on the fly to putting an extra defender at the ball handler off the pick.

I figure pop has a counter; I just want to see what it is.

spursfaninla
05-31-2012, 09:15 PM
First half Point in the paint thunder28 spurs 8.