Should Manu be re-inserted in Starting Lineup?

[SpurPadre]

1. Yes

2. No

3. No, keep Danny Green in starting lineup

4. No, but start SJax over Green in starting lineup

[Spursfan092120]

Can we have a GNSF Freakout thread...just one...instead of 40 different threads like this?

[ElNono]

we should just forfeit, tbh <slits wrist>

[DesignatedT]

lol

[DontStopBelieving]

3

The Spurs are 10-1 in the playoffs. There is absolutely no need to panic. Now, if there is another blowout loss on Saturday, then maybe it'll be time to make some major adjustments.

[slick'81]

lol panic

[Mugen]

So Thabo can shutdown TP and Manu at the same time!?!?!? :wow

No Thanks!:cry

[spursfan1000]

Na, let's see how game 4 goes.

[SpurPadre]

Can we have a GNSF Freakout thread...just one...instead of 40 different threads like this?

relax man, it's just a question on a message board.

[MannyIsGod]

No.

[Russo21]

2. no

[SpurPadre]

we should just forfeit, tbh <slits wrist>

again, it's just a FUCKING question on a message board. FUCK.

[Russo21]

5. just chill

[timvp]

It's a possibility if the Spurs get desperate. 2-1 isn't desperate, tbh.

[naico]

we should just forfeit, tbh <slits wrist>

:lol:lol:lol:lol


In all seriousness: No.

But if you're gonna put TP next to another playmaker/shooter during the course of the game: let it be Manu ffs and not Neal. That killed us. Manu and Tp when rotating together actually worked in game 2.

[Pocket Hippo]

No changes needed. They played with energy and desperation, we had it on cruise control and it bit us in the ass. Lesson learned.

[honestfool84]

no.

[T Park]

I'd start Jackson before I started Manu.

[SA210]

He always should have been a starter.

[Spurs da champs]

Well Green is showing his play isn't getting any better so far in these 1st 3 games & that's becoming a big concern, play it off all you so called 'geniuses' want but it really is.

[SpurPadre]

Fair enough it's just funny how some think the notion of Manu, a future HOF, starting is a sign of panic and/or a sign that we're in desperate trouble. LOL, unreal.

[ElNono]

again, it's just a FUCKING question on a message board. FUCK.

:lol

[cutewizard]

YES! some possibilities

this is just my humble opinion,, I think Diaw should slide to the second unit to help facilitate? why, because that second unit desperately needs a creator/facilitator

why not a starting line-up of Duncan, Blair, Parker, Leonard and Manu (or Stephen Jackson)

then Splitter, Diaw, Green (or Neal), Anderson (can defend and score) then Manu

in the second unit, maximize the pick and roll with Splitter and Manu!!

let Diaw help by being something like a point center..Splitter inside, then Diaw outside surrounded with three point shooters seems a good idea

and no loss of effectivity from the first five, Duncan needs an enforcer like Blair to help him there


does this plan have merits guys?

[TE]

Maybe if it's 2-2, offensive end continues to be disrupted by Theba fucking Sefalosha and Danny Green keeps shitting his jock.



Only then.

[Spurs da champs]

The biggest adjustment Pop needs to make going forward is to give Blair Bonner's minutes because Bonner was just absolutely exposed tonight for the scrub he really & truly is.

[SpurPadre]

Can we have a GNSF Freakout thread...just one...instead of 40 different threads like this?

Can we NOT have a fucking asshole belittle other fellow Spurs fans who just want to vent? Then again, this isn't venting, it's a FUCKING question I posed. And fuck you with this "GNSF" shit. I've been a Spurs fan for over 20 years.

[naico]

I would also like to see Kawhi and Jack on the floor together for some stretches. They would feed off of eachother, crash the boards, play tough D. It's what the spurs need to generate a momentum. Put Diaw in that line-up with TP.

[Spursfan092120]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PX2ocH36vOI/T1ivnsU20dI/AAAAAAAABYY/X9fRPPfN3i0/s1600/jump-off-cliff.jpg

[SpurPadre]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PX2ocH36vOI/T1ivnsU20dI/AAAAAAAABYY/X9fRPPfN3i0/s1600/jump-off-cliff.jpg

Yeah...wanting to start a future HOF is a sign of wanting to fall off a cliff. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigghtt. :rollin

[Josh810]

Can we NOT have a fucking asshole belittle other fellow Spurs fans who just want to vent? Then again, this isn't venting, it's a FUCKING question I posed. And fuck you with this "GNSF" shit. I've been a Spurs fan for over 20 years.

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[SpurPadre]

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Haha, good one. I just expected more civility when I came to this board. But there's a bunch of guys who want to dictate to others what should be posted.

[gambit1990]

YES! some possibilities

this is just my humble opinion,, I think Diaw should slide to the second unit to help facilitate? why, because that second unit desperately needs a creator/facilitator

why not a starting line-up of Duncan, Blair, Parker, Leonard and Manu (or Stephen Jackson)

then Splitter, Diaw, Green (or Neal), Anderson (can defend and score) then Manu

in the second unit, maximize the pick and roll with Splitter and Manu!!

let Diaw help by being something like a point center..Splitter inside, then Diaw outside surrounded with three point shooters seems a good idea

and no loss of effectivity from the first five, Duncan needs an enforcer like Blair to help him there


does this plan have merits guys?

no.

[coachmac87]

It would be Jax if anybody. Let's give him a chance to make love to pressure lol

[Josh810]

Haha, good one. I just expected more civility when I came to this board. But there's a bunch of guys who want to dictate to others what should be posted.
I think your mistake was expecting civility on a message board, lol. People are used to people freaking out or wanting lineup changes after every loss so they start to react accordingly. Don't take it personally.

[SpurPadre]

I think your mistake was expecting civility on a message board, lol. People are used to people freaking out or wanting lineup changes after every loss so they start to react accordingly. Don't take it personally.

I'll learn not to take it personally but it just caught me off guard because it's coming from fellow Spurs fans. I expect it in other message boards like ESPN's since fans from other teams frequently troll other team's boards and start stuff there but I didn't think I'd see it here as much but the trash talk is even worse here. Still, I want to be amongst Spurs fans. I live in Northern California so this is as close as I can get to chatting it up with a large crowd of Spurs fans. Sticking to the topic, I still don't understand why wanting to start Manu is a sign of panic. The guy is a great player and a future HOF. Why would starting him now be a liability for the team?

[cutewizard]

lol Spurs fans, fair weather fans hahahaha

[SA210]

He always should have been a starter.

[Keepin' it real]

I'll learn not to take it personally but it just caught me off guard because it's coming from fellow Spurs fans.

Remember the fans fighting at the AT&T Center in game 2? You'll find a lot of that same immaturity and disrespect on here. In fact, I fully expect that at least one of those losers is a Spurstalk member.

[SpurPadre]

Remember the fans fighting at the AT&T Center in game 2? You'll find a lot of that same immaturity and disrespect on here. In fact, I fully expect that at least one of those losers is a Spurstalk member.

Yeah, I heard about that all the way over here in Northern California, where I'm from. I didn't know it was Spurs fan on Spurs fan crime! Damn.

[ElNono]

Remember the fans fighting at the AT&T Center in game 2? You'll find a lot of that same immaturity and disrespect on here. In fact, I fully expect that at least one of those losers is a Spurstalk member.

If it bothers you that much the door is over there ------------->

[TE]

Yeah, I heard about that all the way over here in Northern California, where I'm from. I didn't know it was Spurs fan on Spurs fan crime! Damn.

You're always going to have wannabe tough guys on the internet, especially if they have seniority over you (oh and that grey and black thing also plays a critical role), give you shit. Whatever you are saying about your spurs fandom is probably true, but you should really try not to get wrapped in shit like that, you won't last here.

[tesseractive]

I'll learn not to take it personally but it just caught me off guard because it's coming from fellow Spurs fans. I expect it in other message boards like ESPN's since fans from other teams frequently troll other team's boards and start stuff there but I didn't think I'd see it here as much but the trash talk is even worse here. Still, I want to be amongst Spurs fans. I live in Northern California so this is as close as I can get to chatting it up with a large crowd of Spurs fans. Sticking to the topic, I still don't understand why wanting to start Manu is a sign of panic. The guy is a great player and a future HOF. Why would starting him now be a liability for the team?

1. Our offense is based on having a quick, elite playmaker with the ball in his hands opening shots up for everyone else. If we start Manu then our playmaker on the second unit is now Gary Neal. Gary Neal is a great role player, but it should surprise no one that he's not as good as Manu.

2. A lot of the time, the primary role of a 2/3 not acting as the playmaker is as a floor spacer, set shooter, and occasional passer. Manu is certainly capable of doing this, but he adds less value in that spot than he does with the ball in his hands.

3. He's on the floor at the end of games and playing starter's minutes anyway -- why does he need to start?

4. Changing up the rotation in the middle of a playoff run in which everyone knows their roles and the team is 10-1 is kind of a panic move, don't you think?

[SpurPadre]

If it bothers you that much the door is over there ------------->

I don't like the disrespect from some here but I'm a Spurs fan for life and want to chat on a good Spurs board. I see some cool people here and will just try to get people's respect here as a newbie to this place.

[SpurPadre]

You're always going to have wannabe tough guys on the internet, especially if they have seniority over you (oh and that grey and black thing also plays a critical role), give you shit. Whatever you are saying about your spurs fandom is probably true, but you should really try not to get wrapped in shit like that, you won't last here.

advice well-taken. I'm just going to try to talk Spurs basketball with you guys and hope to have fun with it.

[100%duncan]

Can we have a GNSF Freakout thread...just one...instead of 40 different threads like this?

[timtonymanu]

No. Inserting Manu into the starting lineup would be a desperation move. Not saying Manu is a weak starter but why make changes to a starting lineup that got us 20 straight wins? Maybe if the Spurs can't figure out OKC next game.

[therealtruth]

4. No, but start SJax over Green in starting lineup

This. You can put KL on Westbrook and then put Jax on KD. Right now DG is not providing much in the way of offense or defense. I hate to hurt his confidence but too much is at stake to see if he can work it out.

[spurraider21]

no. we need tim to step up and punish them for going small. that and limit turnovers

[therealtruth]

4. Changing up the rotation in the middle of a playoff run in which everyone knows their roles and the team is 10-1 is kind of a panic move, don't you think?

The Mavs panicked during the Finals and it won them a championship.

[SenorSpur]

No need for Pop to make panic-laden lineup changes. He's simply got to use his personnel better. No way should Jackson get pulled when he's rolling. If Splitter is having an off night, give Blair a shot at limited minutes. Neal is a failure at the backup PG spot. His shooting is fine, but he's terrible at setting the table for himself and others. Bonner needs to get the George Hill treatment for this series.

[duhoh]

to you it's a single question, but for most of us, it's one that's been asked a million times.

[ViceCity86]

What the fuck is a GNSF or THB?
Pardon me for not living my life on a message board.OP had a legit question.
2005 WCSF vs old Thunder-Manu reinserted over Barry into the starting lineup and had one of his best playoff games ever.

[pikkiwoki]

German National Science Foundation

TetraHydrocannaBinol

[Keepin' it real]

If it bothers you that much the door is over there ------------->

It bothers me, and you can shove said door up your ass. :wakeup

[smaka]

If you talk about his qualities, he definitely shoud be a starter. But imo right now it's better that he comes off the bench, because it makes our bench so much better and he provides additional power from bench. I'd say not to re-insert him in starting lineup, unless we are in a really bad situation.

[TD 21]

It's a possibility if the Spurs get desperate. 2-1 isn't desperate, tbh.

Agreed. But if the Spurs look shaky in the first half of game four (and I suspect they will), then it's desperation time. That will be 7 straight quarters they've struggled and really only 4 quarters in the entire series where they outplayed the Thunder. At that point, Pop shouldn't worry about the appearance of desperation.

The reality is, quite possibly the biggest adjustment they can make to Sefolosha on Parker (which was so obvious that he should have been defending him from the start), is to start Ginobili, increase his minutes and make them have to pick their poison.

[TJastal]

YES! some possibilities

this is just my humble opinion,, I think Diaw should slide to the second unit to help facilitate? why, because that second unit desperately needs a creator/facilitator

why not a starting line-up of Duncan, Blair, Parker, Leonard and Manu (or Stephen Jackson)

then Splitter, Diaw, Green (or Neal), Anderson (can defend and score) then Manu

in the second unit, maximize the pick and roll with Splitter and Manu!!

let Diaw help by being something like a point center..Splitter inside, then Diaw outside surrounded with three point shooters seems a good idea

and no loss of effectivity from the first five, Duncan needs an enforcer like Blair to help him there


does this plan have merits guys?

At least for this series, any plan that doesn't include Bonner in the rotation is probably an upgrade.

I also think Green has finally hit his ceiling. Time to bring in Jackson to play a bigger role.

I'm not so sure Blair is an "enforcer" but he does have a history of playing well against the thunder and did nothing to sully that notion last night. I'd roll with him even in the starting lineup, as long as Diaw still plays in the 2nd unit.

[eric365]

I'm usually against this idea but in this series Manu is the only guy that would force Westbrook to keep defending on Parker

Westbrook can hide on Neal, Green and even S Jax. Not on Manu

Maybe something to try if the spurs are 2-3 (unlikely IMO)

[therealtruth]

I'm usually against this idea but in this series Manu is the only guy that would force Westbrook to keep defending on Parker

Westbrook can hide on Neal, Green and even S Jax. Not on Manu

Maybe something to try if the spurs are 2-3 (unlikely IMO)

I'm not sure about that but I do agree whoever has Westbrook on them has to attack. They should run that guy off screens to tire Westbrook out. It worked in game 2. Westbrook is now coasting on defense.

[GrandeDavid]

1. Yes

2. No

3. No, keep Danny Green in starting lineup

4. No, but start SJax over Green in starting lineup

If Spurs lose tomorrow and Green plays shook again, then start Buckets. If SA wins this series they might need to do same thing against Miami so might as well throw this option out there and see how it works out.

[Spursfan092120]

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[therealtruth]

If Spurs lose tomorrow and Green plays shook again, then start Buckets. If SA wins this series they might need to do same thing against Miami so might as well throw this option out there and see how it works out.

I agree. It's not that DG is missing shots. It's that he's playing without confidence.

[Proxy]

Put Blair in and see how he does. Might as well if Tiago and Matt are going to play like pussies. Anderson played so it shouldn't be a stretch.

If they're going to switch and risk the mismatch... then Blair should thrive. He may do stupid things at times, but he isn't scared of posting Fisher up in the low block. Make them pay for switching Ibaka on Manu.

[SpurPadre]

Do people still think it's an alien concept to start a HOF player over Danny Green now?

[eric365]

Hollinger's today dime :

Well, you can't say the Spurs haven't faced this situation before. They left home up 2-0 and came back tied at 2-2, just like they did five times between 2003 and 2006. Throw in the four other situations in the Tim Duncan era in which the Spurs were tied in a series after four games -- the last time against New Orleans in 2008 -- and they're mighty familiar with this drill.

It's one that calls for adjustments, and historically Gregg Popovich has kept what might be called a "universal adjustment" in his pocket. If things are going badly, he changes Manu Ginobili from starter to bench, or from bench to starter.

The particulars of the series haven't mattered; it has been a move he's always made to shake up his rotation and give the opponent a different look, to the point that both Popovich and Ginobili joke about it.

And it's time again.

Coming into this series, it appeared the Thunder, not the Spurs, were the ones who could benefit from starting their sixth man, because it would let defensive ace Thabo Sefolosha match up against Ginobili.

But they've found success with Sefolosha on Tony Parker and Russell Westbrook on Danny Green, a matchup that won't work out nearly as well if Ginobili is in the starting lineup. Westbrook will be forced back on to Parker, with Sefolosha checking Ginobili, and the Thunder's rotating defenders will respect Ginobili's threat off the ball a lot more than Green's.

The rest on http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8006859/nba-playoffs-gregg-popovich-do