View Full Version : Add Tony Parker to Dok's list..
HarlemHeat37
06-04-2012, 09:00 PM
More proof that PG-oriented teams don't win titles..
What a fucking pathetic performance..all it took was putting a bigger defender on Parker and he got rattled..Parker is seeing Mike Conley's face on Sefolosha's body, tbh..
lefty
06-04-2012, 09:02 PM
But Magic and Isiah ...
LkrFan
06-04-2012, 09:06 PM
But Magic and Isiah ...
...are first ballot HOFers. No comparison. :nope
HarlemHeat37
06-04-2012, 09:09 PM
Westbrook is actually proving Dok's point, tbh..
Westbrook has changed his role during OKC's current win streak, he's playing less of a ball-dominant role, and deferring to his teammates for scoring..
resistanze
06-04-2012, 09:14 PM
Pop's coaching is even more shocking. Wow.
Westbrook is actually proving Dok's point, tbh..
Westbrook has changed his role during OKC's current win streak, he's playing less of a ball-dominant role, and deferring to his teammates for scoring..
Yep Westbrook figured out how to be useful to his team sadly. Durant or Harden gonna have to choke it away now, and they unfortunately don't have the same amount of practice in that department as Russ.
Pop's coaching is even more shocking. Wow.
Yep its something else. Guy seems to go into panic mode, 2 years in a row making major roster/rotation adjustments in crucial games thinking chemistry wont suffer. And some serious :lol:lol at the seconds Bonner "played" tonight
This has nothing to do with him being a PG.
Tony Parker is a soft scared little bitch by nature.
HarlemHeat37
06-04-2012, 09:19 PM
Just like Derrick Rose showed us last year, it has plenty to do with being a PG, tbh..
Sadly for the Bulls, they didn't have Manu Ginobili to negate some of their PG's ineptitude..
I've been a ST Parker supporter, btw, I'm usually defending him..it saddens me to see this..
ElNono
06-04-2012, 09:20 PM
Erin Barry gonna break up with him now... you'll see...
midnightpulp
06-04-2012, 09:20 PM
If Parker doesn't do something, this is the second backdoor sweep he leads the Spurs to. '04's collapse was largely on him because once the Lakers packed the paint, he couldn't adjust. Would've help if Hedo knocked down a couple of shots, but still.
Parker simply isn't a big time, big game player. And no, the "Finals MVP" in '07 doesn't count. Any decent point guard should be able to torch Boobie Gibson.
So frustrated with Frenchie right now. Hope he proves me wrong, but I ain't holding my breath.
Giuseppe
06-04-2012, 09:23 PM
^Only pussies & assholes give up.
Warlord23
06-04-2012, 09:25 PM
Sadly this is spot on. It's very hard for a point guard to impose his will on a team that is willing and able to stop him, across a 7-game series. Once Brooks decided he wanted to put some length on Parker, pack the paint and switch the pick-n-roll, Parker had to do something special to continue to control the game. And he hasn't.
Venti Quattro
06-04-2012, 09:26 PM
Parker has given up faster than France surrendered to Germany. It's appalling.
Goran Dragic
06-04-2012, 10:16 PM
team captain westchuck proving dok wrong imho
:lol yeah, Durant being able to win in spite of his dumb chimp PG is telling me.
the Thunder are about to choke this game away because of their dumb chimp PG who can't slow the game down and close it out.
Goran Dragic
06-04-2012, 10:18 PM
^agree, the chucking frog is fucking it up
I'm not sure why he can't just slow it down. It's not even him being a PG in this instance, how much of a dumb chimp do you have to be to chuck shots with 17 seconds left on the clock when your team is up by 11.
Goran Dragic
06-04-2012, 10:19 PM
But Magic
was a 6'9" n!ggerfreak who made a finals-winning sky hook over two hall of fame 7 footers.
Good luck expecting Parker to do that^ :lol
Goran Dragic
06-04-2012, 10:21 PM
:lmao cool foul chimpbrook
Goran Dragic
06-04-2012, 10:22 PM
:lmao Harden
Josepatches_
06-04-2012, 10:29 PM
Nice flop
spurs aint dead yet and if the young OKC niggas think the series is over already, the old boys are gonna make them pay
Pelicans78
06-04-2012, 11:05 PM
Manu is the best player on this team when healthy. He's been ballin this series. Duncan and Parker have been shit the last 3 games.
Pelicans78
06-04-2012, 11:06 PM
But DoK has always been right about his theory. Me and him have learned the hard way watching out hometown teams.
Trainwreck2100
06-04-2012, 11:07 PM
Manu and Duncan need to tell his french ass to stand in the corner
It makes me sad to think he is suppose to be the future of the Spurs.
We'll be right there with Bobcats by the end of next year.
Brazil
06-05-2012, 09:36 AM
I agree with Dok's theory tbh.
At the beginning of the POs I said that the Spurs will go as far as Tim will go. During the 20 wins streak Tim seemed to be rejuvenated and played like a dominant big making pay the team playin' D one on one. On that serie, he is back to 2011 Tim unfortunately.
The ceiling of the 2011/2012 spurs was the WCF.
I hope he will prove me wrong but TP is not a franchise player capable to be the best player of a championship team, never was, never will be. Once again I hope I will eat a crow saying that but I don't see it.
It doesn't mean he is not a great player. He carried the Spurs all the year, he is fighting during this serie on both side of the court. I cannot blame the lack of effort: he attacked the rim, defended westbrook like crazy, had a crazy game 2 (without his production spurs would already be out).
Brazil
06-05-2012, 09:45 AM
oh and shadow is still a tool
DUNCANownsKOBE
06-05-2012, 10:59 AM
Even if OKC and Miami both win their series and even if Miami wins the finals, this theory will still have doubters, Jay Bilas will still be blabbering about how the NBA is a :crypoint guard's league:cry during the draft, and most Suns fans will still be insistent on finding another point guard to build around.
Even if OKC and Miami both win their series and even if Miami wins the finals, this theory will still have doubters, Jay Bilas will still be blabbering about how the NBA is a :crypoint guard's league:cry during the draft, and most Suns fans will still be insistent on finding another point guard to build around.
People still think what happens in the regular season translates to the playoffs. Rose's Bulls, Parker's Spurs....
Axe Murderer
06-05-2012, 12:12 PM
Once Brooks decided he wanted to put some length on Parker, pack the paint and switch the pick-n-roll, Parker had to do something special to continue to control the game. And he hasn't.
I never understood why the fuck it took this long for a team to do this against Parker. Yeah he's capable of knocking down some jumpers but when he gets in the lane, all hell breaks loose.
Watching Utah and LAC play him, you'd think he was the second coming of Peja Stojakovic with the airtight defense they played. Makes no sense to me and another reason why most "NBA head coaches" are worthless.
eric365
06-05-2012, 02:28 PM
I never understood why the fuck it took this long for a team to do this against Parker. Yeah he's capable of knocking down some jumpers but when he gets in the lane, all hell breaks loose.
Watching Utah and LAC play him, you'd think he was the second coming of Peja Stojakovic with the airtight defense they played. Makes no sense to me and another reason why most "NBA head coaches" are worthless.
Teams can't pack the lane when one of thoses 2 things happen:
Parker is hot on his jumper
His teamates are making their open 3s
In the first 2 series, Green, Neal, Diaw, Leonard and even Bonner (yes look at the stats, his was 40+% on 3s in theses playoffs before the OKC series) were making ther open 3s
In the 2nd game against OKC, Parker's Jumper was on.
In game 3, 4 and 5, he missed early on his Jumper, they packed the lane, game over.
He could have been a franchise player if he had a really good jumper
oh and shadow is still a tool
And you're still stalking and obsessed over me, go figure. :lol
TP4MVP :lol:lol
Parker was supposed to start shooting 3's as the mechanics of his jumpshot improved. Because he still can't (or doesn't), he has trouble finding space when the Thunder switch those pick and rolls.
Yet another gimmick that has stopped a Parker-led team cold. Parker spent his entire career after 2004 working on his jumpshot so teams couldn't simply pack the paint on him. Now he has the choice of being more aggressive against the traps/switches/doubleteams of the PnR (at the cost of being blocked, turning the ball over, etc) or relying on a very iffy step back 3 point shot.
Brazil
06-05-2012, 05:07 PM
And you're still stalking and obsessed over me, go figure. :lol
TP4MVP :lol:lol
:lol shitty takes after shitty takes
:lol your debit of foolish thoughts is reaching another level in this off season
:lol spurs next year worst than the bobcats
:lol worst gnsf ever
Parker is known to shrivel up in big games and has a very inconsistent jumpshot. Those are recipes for failure regardless of what perimeter position you play.
Goran Dragic
06-05-2012, 05:17 PM
shriveling up in big games seems like a trait you find in a lot of "franchise" point guards. Nash, Paul, Parker, Rose, etc. It stops being a coincidence after awhile.
None of those players shrivel up the way Parker does imo, their teams simply arent good enough to win it all. Parker underperforming on the other hand is the reason why his teams go from dominant to being dominated. After seeing his collapse this series I dont think a team with Parker as their best player can win it all, I do think itd be possible for a team to win it all with Paul/Rose as the best player though.
What you folks are saying, in reality, is that Parker is capable of beating anyone, but he decides not to.
What you folks are saying, in reality, is that Parker is capable of beating anyone, but he decides not to.
Maybe after undergoing heavy hypnosis treatment.
Parker is mentally weak.
Maybe after undergoing heavy hypnosis treatment.
Parker is mentally weak.
But you're saying he could. No one is calling Devin Harris mentally weak. When you drag one name around like that and won't let go, there's a reason. No one compares LeMarcus Aldridge to Michael Jordan, so you don't see any comparison threads and people denying it.
So, what's happening here is this:
Parker can beat anyone, but I don't believe it.
But you're saying he could. No one is calling Devin Harris mentally weak. When you drag one name around like that and won't let go, there's a reason. No one compares LeMarcus Aldridge to Michael Jordan, so you don't see any comparison threads and people denying it.
So, what's happening here is this:
Parker can beat anyone, but I don't believe it.
Parker cant beat just anyone. There are certain teams that he is capable of shreding, no doubt but he has limited potential only.
That's like saying Westbrook has the ability to beat anyone if he stops chucking ill-advise shots and actually think for a change.
But we all know Westbrook likes to chuck up 20 times a game. Same applies to Parker, these players all revert to doing what they do best. Westbrook=loves shooting the ball infinite amount of times. Parker=shrinks under pressure.
Parker cant beat just anyone. There are certain teams that he is capable of shreding, no doubt but he has limited potential only.
That's like saying Westbrook has the ability to beat anyone if he stops chucking ill-advise shots and actually think for a change.
But we all know Westbrook likes to chuck up 20 times a game. Same applies to Parker, these players all revert to doing what they do best. Westbrook=loves shooting the ball infinite amount of times. Parker=shrinks under pressure.
Anyone here can point out Westbrooks faults, and those are all decision issues. Otherwise he's a solid player as you've seen in the past 3 WCF games.
Double coverage by playoff teams causes most players to shrink.
Knick fans should never mention shrinking under pressure tbh.
18k posts and still cant figure out who my team is. smh
djohn2oo8
06-05-2012, 06:48 PM
18k posts and still cant figure out who my team is. smh
:lol
ElNono
06-05-2012, 06:49 PM
What you folks are saying, in reality, is that Parker is capable of beating anyone, but he decides not to.
There's some of that. Folding includes not doing what you've been doing simply because you're scared. He isn't being double or triple covered. Heck, guys like Fisher have guarded him one on one the last few games. He just went away from what got him there: his jumper. He's fixated into breaking the driving lane lock, and he's only going to do that when he starts to keep the defense honest with his shot.
Brazil
06-05-2012, 08:19 PM
There's some of that. Folding includes not doing what you've been doing simply because you're scared. He isn't being double or triple covered. Heck, guys like Fisher have guarded him one on one the last few games. He just went away from what got him there: his jumper. He's fixated into breaking the driving lane lock, and he's only going to do that when he starts to keep the defense honest with his shot.
tbh I agree with that even if I don't think he is scared
Goran Dragic
06-05-2012, 08:38 PM
I do think itd be possible for a team to win it all with Paul/Rose as the best player though.
Then that's where we disagree. Neither one of those two will ever be the best player on a championship team.
Brazil
06-05-2012, 09:01 PM
Then that's where we disagree. Neither one of those two will ever be the best player on a championship team.
I tend to agree, Rose last year has been shut down by Miami the same way OKC is shutting down TP. During that serie Miami contain him pretty well, he shot horribly and turned the ball over a lot.
still need to see what CP3 could do with a squad with the talent of 2012 spurs or 2011 bulls
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