Refs bs calls changing the momentum

[thispego]

Subtle yet effective. Spurs can't win 5 on 8. Just can't. Oh well.

Anyone that thought, with this shady shit going down in wcsf, that this wouldn't happen 10-fold in the finals vs the heat are kidding themselves.

LOL NBA. The matchup up they want is the matchup they want, no getting around it. I'm sure thunder vs heat will get mad ratings :rolleyes

[Kyle Orton]

Lol bitching about the refs, don't you have a starving bastard child to feed with your taco bell paycheck?

[thispego]

I don't want to take anything away from the thunder, but with the refs interfering with two evenly matched squads, the league preferred team is going to have the advantage.

We've seen it before, no surprise.

[noles1983]

Lol Spurs lost this shit on their own by playing like pussies

[lefty]

Ibakajuwon

[thispego]

Subtle incorrect calls. Seen it all before. No biggie. Not mad cause it's not something you can compete with.

[TwelveGs210]

Yeah Pego. I have never been one to buy into the conspiracy shit in ANY sport, but after that debacle that is known as the NBA Draft Lottery 2012, I truly believe MONEY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN INTEGRITY.

[TwelveGs210]

any time the spurs lose its the refs fault :cry

SA never LEGITIMATELY lost a game in nba history :cry

You must not be watching..

[Obstructed_View]

Never heard "ref you suck" chant in SA before. Bad night for the Spurs.

[TwelveGs210]

I hope Stern is in the building I'd seriously spend the night in Bexar county to make sure that little bitch gets a beer on his 2,000 dollar suit.

[Kyle Orton]

Never heard "ref you suck" chant in SA before. Bad night for the Spurs.

Dwight Howard would've made a defensive difference over old shitty Duncan.

:lol Duncan>Howard defensively

[thispego]

any time the spurs lose its the refs fault :cry

SA never LEGITIMATELY lost a game in nba history :cry

Games 3 and 4 I have no problems, there were some calls that blatantly show they are favoring thunder this game. Facts.

[PublicOption]

this is why the NBA will never make as much as the NFL.

the league set us up. for the Thunder....really.

steal the supersonics and watch the league try to erase your history.

[lefty]

Excuses excuses


Stop blaming the refs

[Poolboy5623]

The refs certainly aren't helping but the spurs shouldn't need their help.

[urunobili]

it's never a goaltend. Ibaka is just a stud tbh

[Texas_Ranger]

it's not the refs fault that the Spurs are playing this bad.

[TwelveGs210]

im watching, better team is winning fair and square

You are confused to begin with, you come to Spurstalk to be annoying. No point in discussing pretty much anything with you. GTFO

[Obstructed_View]

Bad Spurs play lets calls tip the scales. Not on the refs that the Spurs won't push the pace or turn the ball over.

[Obstructed_View]

Duncan>Howard defensively

Exactly.

[PublicOption]

league wants ratings well you've got a great built in storyline. whatever.

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd360/Imall4frogs/6a00d83451da3169e20112791535ce28a4-.jpg

[thispego]

These calls come just as spurs gain momentum to stymie their momentum. Very calculated. These refs are good, carrying out the will of stern.

I'm sure Timvp will be able to point out these instances more clearly in his game analysis.

[DontStopBelieving]

The reffing has been the in the Thunder's favor pretty much every game of the series, but its not the reason the Spurs are losing..

[PublicOption]

.............its true Pop bulids teams that make it hard for the refs to figure out.....but once they do......its over.


I wouldn't even show up in OKC so the league can show their crowd all happy and shit. fuck 'em

[TwelveGs210]

it's not the refs fault that the Spurs are playing this bad.

There is NO DENYING the fact the Spurs are playing bad, and I'm not even really trying to point out which team is getting the advantage on the calls.

The thing that bugs me is that the refs are this active in controlling the game, PERIOD.

Let the players play.

[TwelveGs210]

Refs will go ahead and not see Thabo's forearm hit that last..

[TwelveGs210]

lmao timvp worshipping and crying, spur fan specialties tbh

make sure you suck tim off real good

Your a fuckin weird mother fucker for real

[freetiago]

cant beat okc when roleplayers dont play and the zebras are in their pocket
called charges and let calls go for okc
called fouls on blair on picks/rebounds when he didnt do anything
gave westbrook/harden/durant and 1s when spurs players moved out of their way
called fouls on ginobili on clean steals

[Obstructed_View]

I don't really understand how the refs foul out guys on the other team and call fouls during the Spurs' comeback if they're in it for OKC.

[Horse]

im watching, better team is winning fair and square
You're watching cause your team is not playing fucking moron.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Ibaka got away with another goal tend

Every call involving collison, including the kawhi baseline and 1 was a bad call


The first two Duncan calls were bogus

[ploto]

Blaming the refs when Ibaka spent most of the game on the bench in foul trouble.

[Horse]

I don't really understand how the refs foul out guys on the other team and call fouls during the Spurs' comeback if they're in it for OKC.
We had everything going our way in the third then bs offensive fouls and every other horseshit call you can imagine. And oh so surprising for perkins to foul out.

[spurs2112]

it's never a goaltend. Ibaka is just a stud tbh

Its is when Splitter does it.

[sammy]

im watching, better team is winning fair and square

Better team really? They won with the Refs helping them as they couldn't win without their help! Give me a break!:bang

[Duncan2177]

I don't want to take anything away from the thunder, but with the refs interfering with two evenly matched squads, the league preferred team is going to have the advantage.

We've seen it before, no surprise.

Then WTF is the point of being a fan of the NBA then? That's some crooked BS.

[Obstructed_View]

We had everything going our way in the third then bs offensive fouls and every other horseshit call you can imagine. And oh so surprising for perkins to foul out.

But if they don't call the offensive foul on Westbrook the game is over.

[shraediggz]

is that factually a tear under your eye? :lol

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[PublicOption]

read and weep.

http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

[AFBlue]

I did notice a stretch where the Spurs got a couple calls and then the Refs seemingly spent the rest of the quarter giving "make-up" calls to the Thunder.

Like pego I'm not blaming this loss on them, but it was noticeable.

[thispego]

read and weep.

http://deadspin.com/5392067/excerpts-from-the-book-the-nba-doesnt-want-you-to-read

bump

league is bullshit

unfortunate for spurs fans to have their best team playing during this BS Stern era of promoting superstar teams. we should have 1 more championship, 2 more after this year... : wakeup

[Beanzamillion21]

What I don't understand is why the NBA wouldn't like the "I want some Nasty!" thing. Seems like they would pick that up and run with it. On the other hand, perhaps Stern is pissed at all the knock off merchandise being sold around SA, and want to get it off the streets by killing the Spurs season.

[thispego]

nope, just marketable superstars meeting in the finals is the goal. not the best two teams meeting in the finals. pretty sad.

[thunderfan]

Really? We're playing the ref card now after Manu and Parker flopped around all over the damn court like a couple of idiots? There's no point in telling me OKC has a player or two that will flop every now and then (because I know they do), but the stuff Manu and Parker resorted to last night was just embarassing - and sadly, they got the calls. So I find it a bit humorous to sit here and read complaints about the refs. SA didn't lose this because of the refs, I'm sorry.

[Mixability]

We had a shot, regardless of the calls. I like to think the calls went both ways, bogus on both sides. The game was lost way before the comeback. We're just lucky to have got it that close.

I hope that they let the guys just play in the next 2. Let the players decide the game. I can only respect a team when they have guys that think about making the shot first, not trying to draw contact.

The same way Harden and Westbrook piss me off by falling straight down on jumpers baiting the refs is the same way Parker pisses me off by falling on every layup. Get up, wipe yourself off, and get back on D!

[thispego]

Really? We're playing the ref card now after Manu and Parker flopped around all over the damn court like a couple of idiots? There's no point in telling me OKC has a player or two that will flop every now and then (because I know they do), but the stuff Manu and Parker resorted to last night was just embarassing - and sadly, they got the calls. So I find it a bit humorous to sit here and read complaints about the refs. SA didn't lose this because of the refs, I'm sorry.

i didn't really see a lot of flopping, i'm not concerned with that. I'm talking about the bullshit calls that come right as the spurs start to gain some kind of momentum. One big one that sticks out in my mind if the offensive charging called against leonard on collison. spurs started on a run, leonard makes the basket, collison doesnt even look like he's on his feet when he jumps in front of leonard ad gets the call. wipe away the basket, momentum killed. lol bogus. I know all thunder fans are new to basketball but this treachery is not new.

I'm afraid you'll find out the hard way in the finals, thunderfan :lmao

[BlairForceDejuan]

i was at this game.

fuck the refs and fuck the nba. worst officiating in the entire world. it was atrocious on both sides.

a fucking call on every gotdamn side of every play the entire game. lol nba gtfo. so thankful we bought the cheap tickets for that GARBAGE ball.

[thunderfan]

i didn't really see a lot of flopping, i'm not concerned with that. I'm talking about the bullshit calls that come right as the spurs start to gain some kind of momentum. One big one that sticks out in my mind if the offensive charging called against leonard on collison. spurs started on a run, leonard makes the basket, collison doesnt even look like he's on his feet when he jumps in front of leonard ad gets the call. wipe away the basket, momentum killed. lol bogus. I know all thunder fans are new to basketball but this treachery is not new.

I'm afraid you'll find out the hard way in the finals, thunderfan :lmao

That particular play is probably called an offensive foul 65% of the time. I don't see the huge argument. You have to call something there one way or another, do you not?

[thispego]

Yeah, I'd call blocking or nothing at all. collison did not draw a charge, that's one thing i'm 100% certain about

[thunderfan]

It was WAY closer to being an offensive foul than the one Duncan drew earlier in the game.

[thispego]

again, thuderfan, don't want t take anything away from you or your team. Just know that I warned you first, you're not used to having a team in big games. you will know what i'm talking about when you're in the finals and lebron and wade are parading to the free throw line. Stern wants superteam to get started on their 7 or 8 championships.... whatever bullshit promise lebron made.

go talk to mavs fans. they'll tell you

[thunderfan]

Yeah, I'd call blocking or nothing at all. collison did not draw a charge, that's one thing i'm 100% certain about

You have to call something on that play. You can't make a no-call on that play. It's a charge or a block. Full body contact and a player hits the floor. Have to make a call. It was borderline, but to say it was blatantly a blocking foul is just not accurate.

[thunderfan]

again, thuderfan, don't want t take anything away from you or your team. Just know that I warned you first, you're not used to having a team in big games. you will know what i'm talking about when you're in the finals and lebron and wade are parading to the free throw line. Stern wants superteam to get started on their 7 or 8 championships.... whatever bullshit promise lebron made.

go talk to mavs fans. they'll tell you

I know it's frustrating. I got frustrated too on certain calls last night. I think overall the refs have been very good in this series though. I'll be the first to admit if I see a bad call that goes our way. I can be pretty objective. I can see that call being called a blocking foul. I can't really think of any big calls that stood out late in the game though. There were soem bad ones here and there both ways, but I didn't find it that horrific.

[thispego]

It was WAY closer to being an offensive foul than the one Duncan drew earlier in the game.

I don't know how to explain it to you to make you understand, but bad calls are made both ways to create the illusion of proportionality, but the most detrimental calls are made at the most opportune times to achieve the desired goal. the league is VERY good at this. it can and often does go unnoticed. AGAIN - don't want to take anything away from the thunder. THis is an arguement against the league and Stern, not the abilties and accomplishments of the thunder.

[PublicOption]

dzB6ZEHxumA

[PublicOption]

I don't know how to explain it to you to make you understand, but bad calls are made both ways to create the illusion of proportionality, but the most detrimental calls are made at the most opportune times to achieve the desired goal. the league is VERY good at this. it can and often does go unnoticed. AGAIN - don't want to take anything away from the thunder. THis is an arguement against the league and Stern, not the abilties and accomplishments of the thunder.


the spurs had awesome momentum in the 3rd. They were about to take control......thats when the league stepped in. I think Pop now knows that the league doesn't want them in the Finals.

[thunderfan]

I don't know how to explain it to you to make you understand, but bad calls are made both ways to create the illusion of proportionality, but the most detrimental calls are made at the most opportune times to achieve the desired goal. the league is VERY good at this. it can and often does go unnoticed. AGAIN - don't want to take anything away from the thunder. THis is an arguement against the league and Stern, not the abilties and accomplishments of the thunder.

I'm not seeing that occur. I'm not saying it's never occurred, but you've mentioned a charge call drawn by Collison late in the game that was more than likely a pretty good call. I've not seen anything else in this series from the refs that had much of an impact at the end of the game.

[thunderfan]

the spurs had awesome momentum in the 3rd. They were about to take control......thats when the league stepped in. I think Pop now knows that the league doesn't want them in the Finals.

By making an accurate charge call? I mean I might understand if it was some stupid ass touch foul or something or a blatantly bad call, but it was actually a pretty decent call, if a bit borderline. In what other way did the "league step in"?

[PublicOption]

By making an accurate charge call? I mean I might understand if it was some stupid ass touch foul or something or a blatantly bad call, but it was actually a pretty decent call, if a bit borderline. In what other way did the "league step in"?

You stole a team from Seattle and the league is erasing that memory.:nope

[thispego]

By making an accurate charge call? I mean I might understand if it was some stupid ass touch foul or something or a blatantly bad call, but it was actually a pretty decent call, if a bit borderline. In what other way did the "league step in"?

there was a stupid ass touch foul called on jackson against durant when durant/thunder were on a run at one point. and similar calls at other points to either stop the spurs momentum or bolster the thunders'. im sorry you dont see it now, but you will when you're the victim of it. trust me

[thispego]

its futile arguing with the fan whose team benefits from the bs calls. you're blind to it. The only way you'll see it is when it goes against you.

[thispego]

i was in the mood for some good ol-fashioned home cooking last night, but Stern went ahead and ordered in :cry

me too hemann, me too :depressed

[doobs]

I don't have any numbers to back this up, but my sense is that when the refs swallow their whistles the Spurs outplay the Thunder. The Spurs prefer an uptempo game, transition baskets, etc., and the whistles, even if called evenly, do indeed interrupt all that and put the Spurs at a disadvantage. I believe when the game flows uninterrupted, the Spurs benefit as their passes become crisper, their cuts become sharper, and their outside shots become more open and start falling. (Also, many of the Spurs are pretty poor free throw shooters.)

Instead, what we have is stop-start action, and Manu/Parker trying to force the momentum back in the favor of the Spurs, which has led to turnovers and awful shot selection.

[DirtyP1]

I'm not seeing that occur. I'm not saying it's never occurred, but you've mentioned a charge call drawn by Collison late in the game that was more than likely a pretty good call. I've not seen anything else in this series from the refs that had much of an impact at the end of the game.

Collison took 2 charges yesterday. I guess I take issue with that because the guy is still moving when the offensive player has already taken off.

I'm not blaming these calls for the Spurs losing, I'm just wondering if this guy ever gets called for blocks.

[thunderfan]

There were so many instances late where the refs could've made this easy on OKC it's not even funny. Parker was SUPER aggressive, as was Jackson and others. They let them play, as they should have. They could have called some pretty easy fouls and been on their way to sending OKC to the line if they were really after an end result. They could've not called that ball out on Thabo, they could've called the ball tipped in the backcourt. Not saying they would've been good calls, but they could've made them easily. NOone's really even given a concrete example of anything other than this previously mentioned charged call..and that was a poor example in itself.

[thunderfan]

Collison took 3 charges yesterday. I guess I take issue with that because the guy is still moving when the offensive player has already taken off.

I'm not blaming these calls for the Spurs losing, I'm just wondering if this guy ever gets called for blocks.

And you didn't see Duncan moving and getting his own charge call? Come on.

[thunderfan]

OKC tried their damndest to give the game to SA, they really did...and the refs really didn't get in the way of OKC trying to give it back. SA hounded the living hell out of them at the end. Like I said, if an end result is what they wanted, they could've made that end result so much more possible given the physicality the Spurs were playing with late. And give credit to SA for playing that way, but they were on OKC liek white on rice and the refs could easily have blown the whistle..but they didn't.

[thispego]

There were so many instances late where the refs could've made this easy on OKC it's not even funny. Parker was SUPER aggressive, as was Jackson and others. They let them play, as they should have. They could have called some pretty easy fouls and been on their way to sending OKC to the line if they were really after an end result. They could've not called that ball out on Thabo, they could've called the ball tipped in the backcourt. Not saying they would've been good calls, but they could've made them easily. NOone's really even given a concrete example of anything other than this previously mentioned charged call..and that was a poor example in itself.

dude, when it's out of your control no one is going to put the effort in to conving a thunderfan of what we know is happeneing. we all went through this before in 2006 vs the mavs. everyone went through the effort then of breaking down game footage, mavs did the same thing with the finals series when they got screwed against the heat.

we're not being bitter, we're not being sore losers, we've just seen it before and want it to stop.

again, i'll say to you that the league and the refs are VERY good at this. the tampering is so subtle that most people don't notice. another goal of the refs is to make it an exciting/overtime game. it's not going to be subtle if the calls cause a blowout. if the game goes into overtime, big deal, you can manipulate the overtime period. i'm sorry we're not taking the effort to give you visuals of our claims, but just know that we've been in this position before and know what we're talking about.

I hope you don't experience the same fate as us or the mavs in '06 in the finals this year. or maybe i do so you can have your eyes opened.

[ElNono]

I normally disagree with thispego, but he's spot-on on this one. You have to look no further than that lottery rigging last week. It was so egregorius. You couldn't make that shit up, tbh.

[TE]

There were so many instances late where the refs could've made this easy on OKC it's not even funny. Parker was SUPER aggressive, as was Jackson and others. They let them play, as they should have. They could have called some pretty easy fouls and been on their way to sending OKC to the line if they were really after an end result. They could've not called that ball out on Thabo, they could've called the ball tipped in the backcourt. Not saying they would've been good calls, but they could've made them easily. NOone's really even given a concrete example of anything other than this previously mentioned charged call..and that was a poor example in itself.

One call that exemplifies how the officiating helps a team like the Thunder is that Westbrook drive to the basket in the third quarter when the Spurs were making their comeback. I think either Manu or Parker were guarding him. Westbrook drives to the lane, doesn't beat his defender which means they are alongside each other, and Westbrook half assedly jumps and loses the ball. There was little contact. In fact, if that's a foul then everytime Parker drives to the lane and is giving Sefalosha a free ride to the basket something similar has to be called. Another call I can think of also occurs in the third quarter involving a potential steal on the inbounds. Manu gets to the area where the ball in being thrown and the whistle blows because Manu apparently uses his arm to shield Sefalosha who I believe would be on the receiving end of that inbounds pass. After watching the game a second time, that was the worst call I've seen in the playoffs in terms of being a momentum killer, even worse than all those Ibaka goal tends in previous games. At that point the Spurs were on the comeback trail, and very questionable officiating kept the Spurs at bay even though Manu exploded offensively.

Oh, I forgot to add, Harden flops EVERYTIME he attempts a shot, layup, or whatever. It's an embarrassment to the league. He flops more than Ginobili man, and I thought I would never see a player capable of doing such a thing.

[polandprzem]

If you look at the game it looked like it was directed.

Give Spurs some early calls and then work in favor of Thunder. Fouls would be more or less equal :)


NBA has done shitty job with the refs!

I'm not saying the spurs lost because of the refs but I want to address this shit. NBA allowed refs to have their style of reffing which is stupid thing as much as you can like individuality. That sets the reffing not reliable.

Then you have something like home cooking with refs being upon a pressure of the home crowd. Then you have something like entertainment - to keep the score as close as possible /Bavetta :) /

All that causes that refs have big impact on the game. And then players knows it and tries to trick not only their opponents but also refs.

Then comes the flopping shit and announcers saying that somebody needs to sell a foul in order to hear the whistle.

That's why is a fuckt up and it looks more and more like soccer. ...

[TE]

^I think it's worse than Soccer at this point since flopping occurs on almost every play.

[polandprzem]

^I think it's worse than Soccer at this point since flopping occurs on almost every play.

Nope it's not

There is an acting job in soccer. Ppl getting kicked and dies or rolling all over the field in pain. Few secs later they are fine. Resurrection and stuff.
Did I said kicked? Nope - you've been tricked. They acted.

[ginobili fan]

If we don't win tomorrow night we can say the NBA is fixed.
Then I'll sue them seriously.

[TE]

Nope it's not

There is an acting job in soccer. Ppl getting kicked and dies or rolling all over the field in pain. Few secs later they are fine. Resurrection and stuff.
Did I said kicked? Nope - you've been tricked. They acted.

I'm not talking about style of flopping, I meant in terms of frequency. Flopping in the NBA occurs more frequent.

[polandprzem]

I'm not talking about style of flopping, I meant in terms of frequency. Flopping in the NBA occurs more frequent.

Yea but it's not like there is no contact and NBA guys flopping.

But I hear you.



All in all it's bad for the sports

[Duncan2177]

If we don't win tomorrow night we can say the NBA is fixed.
Then I'll sue them seriously.

Yea right :lol

[TE]

Maybe they are just better than the spurs. Maybe its Jims 42% shitting. Maybe its you girls not being tough enough.

:wow luva sighting

[thunderfan]

Bottom line - OKC has won the last 3 games because they were flat out the better team. Period. End of Story. Whine about the Spurs kicking the ball around like middle schoolers if you want, but don't whine about the refs. I hate whiners. I never whine. About anything. Ever. It's lame. If I do happen to see it against OKC at some point, I will not whine. It's against who I am. It's a waste of my time and effort. If you're the better team, you'll win. If the refs are calling something a foul you feel isn't a foul, you'll find a different way to win. If you don't, that's on you.

[thunderfan]

Thanks for your input.

Go back to Oklahoma and FUCK YOURSELF.

Can't go back. I'm already here. Appreciate the advice.

[ginobili fan]

The hard part would be establishing legal standing

Moral wrongness.

[Reeko_Htown]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jJ7QNDTPcRI/TVMBUm5cDqI/AAAAAAAAAkU/fA9-pltPcv4/s1600/grief.gif

[TE]

Bottom line - OKC has won the last 3 games because they were flat out the better team. Period. End of Story. Whine about the Spurs kicking the ball around like middle schoolers if you want, but don't whine about the refs. I hate whiners. I never whine. About anything. Ever. It's lame. If I do happen to see it against OKC at some point, I will not whine. It's against who I am. It's a waste of my time and effort. If you're the better team, you'll win. If the refs are calling something a foul you feel isn't a foul, you'll find a different way to win. If you don't, that's on you.

:lol I don't think you get the point of inconsistent officiating because your team is on the positive end of a game. That tends to happen with a fanbase that's not use to winning games like this.

When the Thunder play the Heat, you'll be able to see how officiating dictates the way defenses are allowed to guard perimeter players.


Oh, and you need to get use to dodging my takes with a little more stealth.

[TE]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jJ7QNDTPcRI/TVMBUm5cDqI/AAAAAAAAAkU/fA9-pltPcv4/s1600/grief.gif

I hope most spur fans are on that last step. An Internet psychologist could bank on the suicide vibes a lot of newbie posters give on here.

[thunderfan]

:lol I don't think you get the point of inconsistent officiating because your team is on the positive end of a game. That tends to happen with a fanbase that's not use to winning games like this.

When the Thunder play the Heat, you'll be able to see how officiating dictates the way defenses are allowed to guard perimeter players.


Oh, and you need to get use to dodging my takes with a little more stealth.

I don't understanding what I'm dodging. We'll see how it plays out when and if we face the Heat. Apparently, they aren't getting enough love from the refs with how Indiana and Boston have given them trouble.

[TE]

I don't understanding what I'm dodging. We'll see how it plays out when and if we face the Heat. Apparently, they aren't getting enough love from the refs with how Indiana and Boston have given them trouble.

You're dodging the examples I gave you that clearly demonstrate the message the OP initially tried to give (OP is a little slow, give him a break).


Miami has generally received good officiating. Against Boston, that's not exactly the case. In fact, the officiating has been downright horrible in that series for both teams, it makes the WCF series look like a 1980's matchup between the Lakers and Celtics.

[thispego]

You're dodging the examples I gave you that clearly demonstrate the message the OP initially tried to give (OP is a little slow, give him a break).


Miami has generally received good officiating. Against Boston, that's not exactly the case. In fact, the officiating has been downright horrible in that series for both teams, it makes the WCF series look like a 1980's matchup between the Lakers and Celtics.

OP doesnt really care, give me a break :rolleyes

[thispego]

Bottom line - OKC has won the last 3 games because they were flat out the better team. Period. End of Story. Whine about the Spurs kicking the ball around like middle schoolers if you want, but don't whine about the refs. I hate whiners. I never whine. About anything. Ever. It's lame. If I do happen to see it against OKC at some point, I will not whine. It's against who I am. It's a waste of my time and effort. If you're the better team, you'll win. If the refs are calling something a foul you feel isn't a foul, you'll find a different way to win. If you don't, that's on you.

no doubt thunder have been playing better. spurs have been trown out of any kind of rhytm as the result of the officiating. but still, thunder are playing beeter - officiating-assisted.

oh you'll whine when it happens to the thunder, you'll whine :lol

[thunderfan]

I can recall the foul called on Manu. That was not a good call. I can go back and find several similar calls against OKC. SA got to the foul line 8 more times. Serge Ibaka got a completely bogus foul called on him (maybe 2) in the first 45 seconds that sent him to the bench. I mean really, let's just pick it to death. I'm not denying bad calls. They exist, more so in some games than others. What also kills a teams' momentum and desire to play sound defense is opponents flopping all over the floor and acting. When refs bite on that, it makes it difficult to play proper defense. Why don't you sit there and tell me the refs didn't bite on the ridiculous act put on by some of the Spurs players? So if we want to sit here and pick 2 or 3 "momentum killers" - at least one of which was actually a legit foul on SA, then lets go back and pick the rest of the BS foul calls that SA conned the refs into calling. Or let's not and just say that the best team won, which they did in this particular game. How'd SA win all those titles? were they deserving of any of them or did the refs have it all planned out?

[thispego]

spurs were allowed to play it out, unimpeded in all their title runs. certain years when there was a clear cut superstar team in the east, the outcome ofthe western conference was dictated by the league.

the legit foul youre talking about was the most egregious bs call of the series so far, imo

2 or 3 "momentum killers" can decide a game, easily, and thats what the league is banking on.

who gives a shit about bunk calls in the beginning of the game, those are completely inconsquential, i dont think ibaka fouled parker on that first play of the game. it all comes down to pivotal calls when the game is on the line, and those are the calls that went against the spurs and killed them. Spurs didn't play great the whole game, but they played well enough to win if it werent for the bs calls meant to keep them from victory.

[z0sa]

The Thunder drew the most FTs in the League and also nailed the highest percentage of them. The refs calling lots of fouls for the Thunder is nothing new; neither are fouls and FTAs being momentum shifters.

[TE]

I can recall the foul called on Manu. That was not a good call. I can go back and find several similar calls against OKC. SA got to the foul line 8 more times. Serge Ibaka got a completely bogus foul called on him (maybe 2) in the first 45 seconds that sent him to the bench. I mean really, let's just pick it to death. I'm not denying bad calls. They exist, more so in some games than others. What also kills a teams' momentum and desire to play sound defense is opponents flopping all over the floor and acting. When refs bite on that, it makes it difficult to play proper defense. Why don't you sit there and tell me the refs didn't bite on the ridiculous act put on by some of the Spurs players? So if we want to sit here and pick 2 or 3 "momentum killers" - at least one of which was actually a legit foul on SA, then lets go back and pick the rest of the BS foul calls that SA conned the refs into calling. Or let's not and just say that the best team won, which they did in this particular game. How'd SA win all those titles? were they deserving of any of them or did the refs have it all planned out?

You're not getting it shithead. I'm not saying the Thunder aren't the better team. They've wanted it more, they're younger, they're hungry, and they're poised.

In reference to the BS calls the Spurs got, that's homecooking. It's a sad fact, but that tends to happen a lot. The only difference with this known fact is te Thunder get homecooking calls in away games too.

Referring to the free throw count can be indicative of officiating, but I think it's better to view the quality of those calls in terms of timing. The Spurs were in the end of various calls in that third quarter when they had momentum. Momentum changing calls* that's the keyword. Bad officiating in potential momentum changing junctures of the game are what will royally fuck up a team's chances to win the game in the short term. Basketball is about a game of runs in the short term, it adds up at the end.

[thispego]

The Thunder drew the most FTs in the League and also nailed the highest percentage of them. The refs calling lots of fouls for the Thunder is nothing new; neither are fouls and FTAs being momentum shifters.

:rolleyes

you get it, but you don't :lol

[thunderfan]

Ok, so a "bad" charging call in the 4Q has an impact on the end of the game, but a "bad" call on an OKC player resulting in that guy (a huge defensive presence) riding the bench most of the first half didnt have any impact on the scoreboard. Makes perfect sense. Also shocking for you to reveal that SA was not assisted in anyway by the refs during their title run - given the fact that the refs are so hugely impactful on the outcomes of games and championships.

[thunderfan]

You're not getting it shithead. I'm not saying the Thunder aren't the better team. They've wanted it more, they're younger, they're hungry, and they're poised.

In reference to the BS calls the Spurs got, that's homecooking. It's a sad fact, but that tends to happen a lot. The only difference with this known fact is te Thunder get homecooking calls in away games too.

Referring to the free throw count can be indicative of officiating, but I think it's better to view the quality of those calls in terms of timing. The Spurs were in the end of various calls in that third quarter when they had momentum. Momentum changing calls* that's the keyword. Bad officiating in potential momentum changing junctures of the game are what will royally fuck up a team's chances to win the game in the short term. Basketball is about a game of runs in the short term, it adds up at the end.

Enjoy Game 6.

[TE]

Ok, so a "bad" charging call in the 4Q has an impact on the end of the game, but a "bad" call on an OKC player resulting in that guy (a huge defensive presence) riding the bench most of the first half didnt have any impact on the scoreboard. Makes perfect sense. Also shocking for you to reveal that SA was not assisted in anyway by the refs during their title run - given the fact that the refs are so hugely impactful on the outcomes of games and championships.

They were assisted shithead. Have you seen and evaluated the questionable officiating during the 2007 WCSF matchup between the Spurs and Suns? Many spur fans here will admit to being on the positive receiving end of poor officiating.

Admitting to being on the receiving end of poor officiating is something you're gonna have to come terms with when Miami is plowing that virgin ass.

[z0sa]

:rolleyes

you get it, but you don't :lol

The Spurs are getting thumped by a better team. Parker playing like garbage is why we are losing. Manu exploded into old Manu form while Parker looks like he wishes he was in Europe for the summer already. Really frustrating actually.

Put the blame where its due, the Spurs who aren't playing anything like Game 2, and give the entire Thunder rotation props for adjusting their game considerably to play a more team ball oriented style, playing hard nosed defense, rebounding, and never quitting. And Scott Brooks, for realizing that confusing Parker was all you had to do to throw this team an amazing curveball.

[cheguevara]

im watching, better team is winning fair and square

spot on

[thispego]

Ok, so a "bad" charging call in the 4Q has an impact on the end of the game, but a "bad" call on an OKC player resulting in that guy (a huge defensive presence) riding the bench most of the first half didnt have any impact on the scoreboard. Makes perfect sense. Also shocking for you to reveal that SA was not assisted in anyway by the refs during their title run - given the fact that the refs are so hugely impactful on the outcomes of games and championships.

bro, you are cherrypicking my comments. the only reason the spurs were unimpeded on most of their title runs is because there was no superstar teams in each conference that would have brought huge ratings. Also, stern can't pull this bullshit every year or it would become transparent.

and as i stated earlier, bullshit calls are called on both teams to create the illusion of proportionality. the calls that make the big difference are the ones that come in the last 1/3 of the game. momentum killers man, c'mon. no team has momentum in the first 2 minutes of the game. what little effect that has can be made up by the refs through the course of the rest of them game.

[thispego]

The Spurs are getting thumped by a better team. Parker playing like garbage is why we are losing. Manu exploded into old Manu form while Parker looks like he wishes he was in Europe for the summer already. Really frustrating actually.

Put the blame where its due, the Spurs who aren't playing anything like Game 2, and give the entire Thunder rotation props for adjusting their game considerably to play a more team ball oriented style, playing hard nosed defense, rebounding, and never quitting. And Scott Brooks, for realizing that confusing Parker was all you had to do to throw this team an amazing curveball.

all of the factors mentioned in this thread contribute to the thunder advancing. league wanting the thunder advance and refs following suit included

[thunderfan]

bro, you are cherrypicking my comments. the only reason the spurs were unimpeded on most of their title runs is because there was no superstar teams in each conference that would have brought huge ratings. Also, stern can't pull this bullshit every year or it would become transparent.

and as i stated earlier, bullshit calls are called on both teams to create the illusion of proportionality. the calls that make the big difference are the ones that come in the last 1/3 of the game. momentum killers man, c'mon. no team has momentum in the first 2 minutes of the game. what little effect that has can be made up by the refs through the course of the rest of them game.

Well, that's your opinion and I can respect that. At least you didn't call me a shithead like someone else seems to feel the need to do.

[z0sa]

At least you didn't call me a shithead like someone else seems to feel the need to do.

That same someone calls James Harden an unathletic scrub. :rollin

[spurspokesman]

These calls come just as spurs gain momentum to stymie their momentum. Very calculated. These refs are good, carrying out the will of stern.

I'm sure Timvp will be able to point out these instances more clearly in his game analysis.

Goaltending permission truly changed the complexity of the game. Ibaka got away with murder. Can't blame it on the refs but every time spurs were gaining momentum a phantom call ensued. :wow

[thispego]

Well, that's your opinion and I can respect that. At least you didn't call me a shithead like someone else seems to feel the need to do.

yeah that guy is a schmuck. thanks for respecting my opinion. i respect yours as well and hope you see fair competition next round. :tu

[thispego]

Goaltending permission truly changed the complexity of the game. Ibaka got away with murder. Can't blame it on the refs but every time spurs were gaining momentum a phantom call ensued. :wow

yep

[TE]

That same someone calls James Harden an unathletic scrub. :rollin

That was a rant, dude. I rescinded that notion in a post yesterday after Harden came to play.

[thunderfan]

Well in fairness, the scouting report on Harden coming out of college was that he was smart, good court vision, etc, but he was not very athletic. I have no idea where that came from. Maybe he miraculously became athletic over the summer between college and the NBA. He's not Westbrook athletic, but he's fairly explosive.

[ALVAREZ6]

You can't blame refs for losses in the playoffs. NBA officiating in the playoffs is consistently inconsistent. That's simply the truth. The refs can kill momentum, but it goes both ways, sometimes its for the other team.

The Spurs can only blame themselves for these losses. They are not playing like smart, veteran, and champion players who have been there/done that. They are turning the ball over way too much in some of these games, and that's what really kills their momentum. You can't expect to win games by going long stretches of terrible shooting on top of many turnovers against a young, fast, athletic OKC team that makes you pay for every turnover in transition. The Spurs give up too many easy points and were only ever in last night's game for a time because of Manu's miracle threes.

The only way they have a shot is to take care of the ball, don't commit stupid fouls, move the ball well and take good shots. If they do those simple things, they should be in the game no matter what. Everything else takes care of itself.

[thispego]

AGAIN i'm not only blaming the refs/league partly. spurs are not helping themselves get over that hump. but with the ref's/leagues interference, they are still playing just well enough to win (at home)

[ALVAREZ6]

AGAIN i'm not only blaming the refs/league partly. spurs are not helping themselves get over that hump. but with the ref's/leagues interference, they are still playing just well enough to win (at home)

Yeah, maybe against most NBA teams, but not against OKC, so I disagree. You can't turn the ball over 21 times (games 3 and 5) and expect to win.

[thispego]

this thread is about GAME 4 strictly

[HI-FI]

I don't think the league is rigged but I've always believed the NBA tries to nudge or push things in a certain direction that they feel maximizes their profitability. They probably feel the THunder are a better long term investment than the Spurs, who traditionally get shitty ratings. Plus Stern was already instrumental in moving the team to OKC, might as well help establish a championship foundation for that market to grow.

however, the trick is to force the issue and that's where we've been sucking. or rather Parker has sucked. Gino is a legend and he'll keep forcing the issue by being aggressive until the refs have to call something. Parker and his pouty french face just seem to curl up when he isn't getting the calls. That's a huge reason why we are sucking.

[DieHardSpursFan1537]

The refs always make some bad calls, but the truth is, the Spurs didn't play very well last night.

[ploto]

You're dodging the examples I gave you that clearly demonstrate the message the OP initially tried to give (OP is a little slow, give him a break).


I am sure an OKC fan can find examples that seem the same to him. Look at the calls late in the game.

[DontStopBelieving]

Some of you are embarrassing as shit tbh.

[maverick1948]

Ok, so a "bad" charging call in the 4Q has an impact on the end of the game, but a "bad" call on an OKC player resulting in that guy (a huge defensive presence) riding the bench most of the first half didnt have any impact on the scoreboard. Makes perfect sense. Also shocking for you to reveal that SA was not assisted in anyway by the refs during their title run - given the fact that the refs are so hugely impactful on the outcomes of games and championships.

The two calls early against Ibaka were fouls. Instead of letting it go, Ibaka complained and then got a "vet" move laid on him. The bad charging call where Collison was still moving his feet had a "huge" impact on the game. Instead of a block with an "and 1", the Thunder got the ball and scored a 3 point basket. That is a 6 point swing. Instead on down 1, the Spurs were down 7. I wont say the Spurs would have won the game but it would have really made for some tight play from there on out.

[Obstructed_View]

That particular play is probably called an offensive foul 65% of the time. I don't see the huge argument. You have to call something there one way or another, do you not?

Collison stepped under Parker later on in the game, both of them went to the ground, and it was a no-call. So the answer would be no.

[pad300]

I don't think the league is rigged but I've always believed the NBA tries to nudge or push things in a certain direction that they feel maximizes their profitability. They probably feel the THunder are a better long term investment than the Spurs, who traditionally get shitty ratings. Plus Stern was already instrumental in moving the team to OKC, might as well help establish a championship foundation for that market to grow.

however, the trick is to force the issue and that's where we've been sucking. or rather Parker has sucked. Gino is a legend and he'll keep forcing the issue by being aggressive until the refs have to call something. Parker and his pouty french face just seem to curl up when he isn't getting the calls. That's a huge reason why we are sucking.

Yep, they do adjust the tenor of the refereeing depending on the teams playing. For example, I'm confident the league gave instructions on what is/isn't goaltending. The Thunder picked up about four goaltending calls in the first two games, and then haven't seen one since. But Ibaka's still going after a lot of borderline stuff off the glass/on the way down, he's just not getting called for it.

[HI-FI]

Yep, they do adjust the tenor of the refereeing depending on the teams playing. For example, I'm confident the league gave instructions on what is/isn't goaltending. The Thunder picked up about four goaltending calls in the first two games, and then haven't seen one since. But Ibaka's still going after a lot of borderline stuff off the glass/on the way down, he's just not getting called for it.

the Ibaka goaltending is becoming a running joke at this point. I can imagine missing one, but now they seem to be letting him knock down everything. Some on here say it doesn't matter, but considering how close these games are coming down to, I believe a couple extra points do add up.

i still believe the biggest problem is Parker is not handling this shit very well. I knew the officiating was gonna be biased at worst, inconsistent at best. Parker just needs to quit sulking and play through it, not developing his tunnel vision which seems to be a reoccurring problem. I am not a Parker ballwasher, I just hope he has a good game for the team's sake.

[therealtruth]

the Ibaka goaltending is becoming a running joke at this point. I can imagine missing one, but now they seem to be letting him knock down everything. Some on here say it doesn't matter, but considering how close these games are coming down to, I believe a couple extra points do add up.

i still believe the biggest problem is Parker is not handling this shit very well. I knew the officiating was gonna be biased at worst, inconsistent at best. Parker just needs to quit sulking and play through it, not developing his tunnel vision which seems to be a reoccurring problem. I am not a Parker ballwasher, I just hope he has a good game for the team's sake.

The Spurs have to throw their bodies into Ibaka to draw the foul on him.