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Blue-Lightning
06-06-2012, 10:59 PM
No bias here, just the facts. Do with them what you will.
1. A defensive foul against Manu Ginobili is waved off, turned into an offensive foul. Replay showed Durant was sliding, original call was correct. - 3 pts for the Spurs
2. Manu Ginobili is hit setting a legitimate screen while Leonard hits a three. Ginobili is called for a foul. - 3 pts for the Spurs
http://youtu.be/wTpo9pUmZpU
3. Stephen Jackson receives a technical foul for looking at the Thunder's bench. He says nothing, he makes no gesture; he looked at them. + 1 pt for the Thunder
http://youtu.be/bs1fySutD7Y
4. Parker is called for a foul against Westbrook. The replay shows there was zero contact, and zero appearance of contact. +1 pt Thunder
http://youtu.be/80FC5WMiYqQ
5. Kawai Leonard is strongly hit in the head, causing him to lose the ball out of bounds. No call. +2 pts Thunder
http://youtu.be/Szcb81YL5HA
6. On a driving shot, Kevin Durant gets a foul called against a defender. It's Kawai Leonard, and he's not within five feet of Durant. + 1 pt Thunder
7. Kevin Durant initiates contact with a rip through move against Stephen Jackson. It is called a foul on Jackson - two free throws for Durant. A point of emphasis this season to referees has been that this is NOT a foul. + 2 pts Thunder
That's 14 free points to the Thunder, and Ginobili on the bench in the fourth, all because of fouls that did not happen. This is not whining about the referees, these are simply the facts, and they can be examined for validity.
During the stretch of bad calls in the 4th, the Thunder did not hit a FG for over 5 minutes. During this time they scored 15 points.
No whining, just posting the obvious bad calls. By the way, I would have posted bad calls against the Thunder, but after review I can't find any. If you can find blatantly bad calls against the Thunder, I'll edit this post and put those calls in the list.
DeadlyDynasty
06-06-2012, 11:00 PM
:cry
Namundy
06-06-2012, 11:00 PM
You really want to torture us with this shit again? We just watched it twenty minutes ago for fuck's sake.
noles1983
06-06-2012, 11:01 PM
#2 was the killer. Complete bullshit. That faggot harden was already falling back before Manu touched him
ploto
06-06-2012, 11:02 PM
Manu's foul was an easy call for an offensive foul. Actually he was lucky he did not get called for a flagrant on the foul on Harden.
Blue-Lightning
06-06-2012, 11:02 PM
Just keeping track of it. Btw, it's unbiased since any bad calls against the Thunder are more than welcome to be there. I can't find any.
The_Worlds_finest
06-06-2012, 11:05 PM
Maurice Cheeks should have been t'd up to. He was talking shit to Jackson
Blue-Lightning
06-06-2012, 11:05 PM
Ploto, the Manu foul was called, and because he didn't attempt to hit Harden in the face, I don't see it as being obviously a technical. For that reason, I'm not going to include it - I'm trying to only include clearly poor fouls. As an example, I'm not including the Harden flop or another shooting foul on Durant in which the defender was straight up. Both are borderline.
Let it go already. We lost. You want to try to prove a point that's been stressed over and over again then so be it, but you look like a faggot doing it.
If you think it was bullshit, don't watch or take it as seriously anymore. It's entertainment.
Blue-Lightning
06-06-2012, 11:07 PM
Triggered, this is an unbiased thread. I'm happy to post bad calls in the other direction. And yes, it is entertainment... but it is entertaining based on the premise of fair officiating.
TampaDude
06-06-2012, 11:07 PM
If the Spurs hadn't lost Game 5, this game wouldn't matter so much.
The Spurs got EVERY CALL and EVERY BREAK in the last few minutes of Game 5, and they still lost, so get over it....the Thunder were just the better team. Don't forget, they almost won Game 1 in SA.
#5 was absolutely egregious.
TDMVPDPOY
06-06-2012, 11:09 PM
we tried get going but the refs stop us
Kidd K
06-06-2012, 11:09 PM
If the Spurs hadn't lost Game 5, this game wouldn't matter so much.
The Spurs got EVERY CALL and EVERY BREAK in the last few minutes of Game 5, and they still lost, so get over it....the Thunder were just the better team. Don't forget, they almost won Game 1 in SA.
They did not get every call, but they got plenty in the last couple of minutes. . .when we were already down big. And we stopped getting them when we got close. We also got no calls in between those 2 minutes and the first 2 minutes of the game, so it doesn't matter.
Josepatches_
06-06-2012, 11:11 PM
But the truth is refs give this game to the Thunders.
Blue-Lightning
06-06-2012, 11:19 PM
Btw, looking back at the Gamecast, the Spurs did not receive a borderline call in their favor for 19 minutes of the second half. Once again, just the facts.
housious
06-06-2012, 11:19 PM
The Harden super flop might have been the funniest thing I have ever seen, had it not had such a huge impact on the game.
The refs were horrible, yes, but we still had plenty of chances to win this game and didn't take advantage.
NBA TV not even showing KD's big charge call. They're in full conceal mode already.
HI-FI
06-06-2012, 11:26 PM
let's face it, we were never gonna win this shit.
not with their youth + Stern's hard on for the Thunder. anyone who plays them in the Finals is fucked.
No bias here, just the facts. Do with them what you will.
1. A defensive foul against Manu Ginobili is waved off, turned into an offensive foul. Replay showed Durant was sliding, original call was correct. - 3 pts for the Spurs
2. Manu Ginobili is hit setting a legitimate screen while Leonard hits a three. Ginobili is called for a foul. - 3 pts for the Spurs
3. Stephen Jackson receives a technical foul for looking at the Thunder's bench. He says nothing, he makes no gesture; he looked at them. + 1 pt for the Thunder
4. Parker is called for a foul against Westbrook. The replay shows there was zero contact, and zero appearance of contact. +1 pt Thunder
5. Kawai Leonard is strongly hit in the head, causing him to lose the ball out of bounds. No call. +2 pts Thunder
6. On a driving shot, Kevin Durant gets a foul called against a defender. It's Kawai Leonard, and he's not within five feet of Durant. + 1 pt Thunder
That's 12 free points to the Thunder, and Ginobili on the bench in the fourth, all because of fouls that did not happen. This is not whining about the referees, these are simply the facts, and they can be examined for validity.
No whining, just posting the obvious bad calls. By the way, I would have posted bad calls against the Thunder, but after review I can't find any. If you can find blatantly bad calls against the Thunder, I'll edit this post and put those calls in the list.
Get ready for a can of intellectual whoopass in 3.... 2...... 1.....
:lmao
Borat Sagyidev
06-06-2012, 11:28 PM
The Harden super flop might have been the funniest thing I have ever seen, had it not had such a huge impact on the game.
The refs were horrible, yes, but we still had plenty of chances to win this game and didn't take advantage.
Refs spot opponents 15 points and you think that still gives them a chance?
sammy
06-06-2012, 11:33 PM
No bias here, just the facts. Do with them what you will.
1. A defensive foul against Manu Ginobili is waved off, turned into an offensive foul. Replay showed Durant was sliding, original call was correct. - 3 pts for the Spurs
2. Manu Ginobili is hit setting a legitimate screen while Leonard hits a three. Ginobili is called for a foul. - 3 pts for the Spurs
3. Stephen Jackson receives a technical foul for looking at the Thunder's bench. He says nothing, he makes no gesture; he looked at them. + 1 pt for the Thunder
4. Parker is called for a foul against Westbrook. The replay shows there was zero contact, and zero appearance of contact. +1 pt Thunder
5. Kawai Leonard is strongly hit in the head, causing him to lose the ball out of bounds. No call. +2 pts Thunder
6. On a driving shot, Kevin Durant gets a foul called against a defender. It's Kawai Leonard, and he's not within five feet of Durant. + 1 pt Thunder
That's 12 free points to the Thunder, and Ginobili on the bench in the fourth, all because of fouls that did not happen. This is not whining about the referees, these are simply the facts, and they can be examined for validity.
No whining, just posting the obvious bad calls. By the way, I would have posted bad calls against the Thunder, but after review I can't find any. If you can find blatantly bad calls against the Thunder, I'll edit this post and put those calls in the list.
Rigged! Shameful! Spurs didn't have a chance! I can' t root for cheaters!:bang
Blue-Lightning
06-06-2012, 11:33 PM
Update: Duncan will probably be fined for agreeing with this thread.
Fwiw, with the way the game was being called, the Spurs really had to play at the top of their game. Alright, no more whining from me.
Slippy
06-06-2012, 11:45 PM
2nd half could of easily been a whole bunch of no-calls against the spurs. They seemed to let OKC play through it. Moving screens OKC got away with, went against the spurs, the block on Durant when he lent over should of been a bonus for Manu and craziest one of all was the tech on Sjax.
spilt milk though
Slippy
06-06-2012, 11:49 PM
Manu's foul was an easy call for an offensive foul. Actually he was lucky he did not get called for a flagrant on the foul on Harden.
Forgot about the Kawai swipe at the head but when Manu does it? It's flagrant.
OK then. You were seeing them like the refs i guess
kaji157
06-06-2012, 11:51 PM
No bias here, just the facts. Do with them what you will.
1. A defensive foul against Manu Ginobili is waved off, turned into an offensive foul. Replay showed Durant was sliding, original call was correct. - 3 pts for the Spurs
2. Manu Ginobili is hit setting a legitimate screen while Leonard hits a three. Ginobili is called for a foul. - 3 pts for the Spurs
3. Stephen Jackson receives a technical foul for looking at the Thunder's bench. He says nothing, he makes no gesture; he looked at them. + 1 pt for the Thunder
4. Parker is called for a foul against Westbrook. The replay shows there was zero contact, and zero appearance of contact. +1 pt Thunder
5. Kawai Leonard is strongly hit in the head, causing him to lose the ball out of bounds. No call. +2 pts Thunder
6. On a driving shot, Kevin Durant gets a foul called against a defender. It's Kawai Leonard, and he's not within five feet of Durant. + 1 pt Thunder
That's 12 free points to the Thunder, and Ginobili on the bench in the fourth, all because of fouls that did not happen. This is not whining about the referees, these are simply the facts, and they can be examined for validity.
No whining, just posting the obvious bad calls. By the way, I would have posted bad calls against the Thunder, but after review I can't find any. If you can find blatantly bad calls against the Thunder, I'll edit this post and put those calls in the list.
I would agree on everyone but number 5. You or anyone that knows how should make a video of it. Call it "how to call a game 6, by Joey Crawford"
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 12:17 AM
48 Minutes of Hell is apparently writing an article about the issue. Hopefully we can shed a little light on it.
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 12:20 AM
Skip Bayless agrees:
Skip Bayless@RealSkipBayless
Refs have decided they'll make sure OKC going to Finals. One outrageously bad call after another. Ginobili robbed of 3-pt play, 3. Sickening
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 12:29 AM
Tim Duncan agrees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=086k1wGK6nw
Keepin' it real
06-07-2012, 12:32 AM
Man that was a huge 3 by Leonard wiped out by the bogus offensive foul on Manu. Huge.
SA210
06-07-2012, 12:45 AM
Skip Bayless agrees:
Skip Bayless@RealSkipBayless
Refs have decided they'll make sure OKC going to Finals. One outrageously bad call after another. Ginobili robbed of 3-pt play, 3. Sickening
Tim Duncan agrees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=086k1wGK6nw
Good for them. Piece of shit NBA
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 12:57 AM
RealGM users agree:
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1185607
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 01:46 AM
"I said the same thing. This was as bad as Dwyane Wade getting 24 or so FTs in the 2006 Finals. It is also as bad as the Lakers/Kings Western finals where LAL got 22 FTs in the fourth.
I've been watching NBA ball for 40 years, I'm 51 and not decrepit. What I believe is the officials are corrupt, particularly Joey Crawford. This was too bad to be an accident or coincidence.
People who say the game wasn't rigged must not have seen what I saw. Harden flopped twice and was rewarded each time, the second took a three pointer from the Spurs. Steven Jackson hit 4 or 5 straight threes and was given a technical for staring. Manu Ginobili had a layup that should have been an and-1 called a charge. Derrick Fisher ran into Gary Neal, and Neal was called for a foul. On another play Neal didn't touch the player and a foul was called. Durant was given two free throws on a rip through move where he initiated contact, and the point of emphasis this year is that is NOT a foul. Tim Duncan was called for an offensive foul when a player fell. On one no call Durant hit a three, but Perkins clearly held Stephen Jackson in the lane to prevent him from closing out. On another no call, Ibaka set an illegal screen which tripped Jackson.
That's about 10 calls right there. There was also a phantom touch foul on one Durant shot and also a late phantom call on a Westbrook shot. Each time the shooter went to the line. Conversely, Parker got hit driving the lane twice in the second half with no foul.
On another key sequence, Kawhi Leonard had position for a rebound. He was pushed in the back and hit in the head. The ball went out of bounds and ruled off of Leonard, no foul. Play on.
Other no calls: Rooting out for rebounds by Fisher on Ginobili and by Sefolosha, who converted for a dunk.
This game was beyond poorly officiated. I truly believe Crawford helped rig this game."
-- Per Chocolate City Jordannaire
justinandimcool
06-07-2012, 01:51 AM
It wasn't that bad in the heat of the moment, not gonna bother to check the replays. Only the Kawhi call killed me.
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 08:45 AM
Wake up this morning, and for the most part, the media is whitewashing this rather than going with what should be a story. So far, around 87% of all basketball fans who watched the game think the officials gave the game to the Thunder. That means 87% of all viewers think the Thunder were given Game 6, and were sent to the finals by the league. This per RealGM.
But you won't hear anything about it, despite the fact that the NBA has a history of official corruption. ESPN has made some brief mentions of it, but seriously... if 87% of viewers think the game was rigged, don't you think there would be an article? Nope.
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 08:52 AM
Zach Harper agrees:
That was … controversial: Some really questionable calls will end up tainting what ended up being a truly fantastic display of basketball over these six games. We saw two teams play at a high level almost every quarter and truly battle. Sad that the officiating will be what's remembered.
-- Zach Harper, Daily Dime Live
thispego
06-07-2012, 08:55 AM
Manu's foul was an easy call for an offensive foul. Actually he was lucky he did not get called for a flagrant on the foul on Harden.
:lmao this bitch is trolling
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 09:09 AM
Graydon Gordian of 48 Minutes of Hell and ESPN.com agrees:
"Well, congrats to the refs for winning the Western Conference Finals. They gave OKC everything they've got."
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 09:41 AM
I'm now linking videos as we get them on YouTube. Should make it easy if someone wants to compile them. Check the first post for the vids.
Blue-Lightning
06-07-2012, 10:31 AM
I'm trying to make a compilation video, but I need the Manu "charge" on Durant... anybody have it?
DarrinS
06-07-2012, 10:37 AM
If the Spurs hadn't lost Game 5, this game wouldn't matter so much.
The Spurs got EVERY CALL and EVERY BREAK in the last few minutes of Game 5, and they still lost, so get over it....the Thunder were just the better team. Don't forget, they almost won Game 1 in SA.
this
thispego
06-07-2012, 10:39 AM
If the Spurs hadn't lost Game 5, this game wouldn't matter so much.
The Spurs got EVERY CALL and EVERY BREAK in the last few minutes of Game 5, and they still lost, so get over it....the Thunder were just the better team. Don't forget, they almost won Game 1 in SA.
:lmao :lmao did you even watch game 5?
No bias here, just the facts. Do with them what you will.
1. A defensive foul against Manu Ginobili is waved off, turned into an offensive foul. Replay showed Durant was sliding, original call was correct. - 3 pts for the Spurs
Agree with this one. The original call should not have been overruled on the floor.
2. Manu Ginobili is hit setting a legitimate screen while Leonard hits a three. Ginobili is called for a foul. - 3 pts for the Spurs
http://youtu.be/wTpo9pUmZpU
Manu leaned into Harden, Harden flopped ala Manu and got the call. It was an offensive foul, but Harden sold it. Cry me a river, Manu's made a career out of it.
3. Stephen Jackson receives a technical foul for looking at the Thunder's bench. He says nothing, he makes no gesture; he looked at them. + 1 pt for the Thunder
http://youtu.be/bs1fySutD7Y
He admitted he said something. Next
4. Parker is called for a foul against Westbrook. The replay shows there was zero contact, and zero appearance of contact. +1 pt Thunder
http://youtu.be/80FC5WMiYqQ
Happens all the time on both ends.
5. Kawai Leonard is strongly hit in the head, causing him to lose the ball out of bounds. No call. +2 pts Thunder
http://youtu.be/Szcb81YL5HA
Incidental, and you cannot consider that +2 as there's a possession where defense has to occur. This is weak sauce tbh.
6. On a driving shot, Kevin Durant gets a foul called against a defender. It's Kawai Leonard, and he's not within five feet of Durant. + 1 pt Thunder
The foul was later change to Manu who actually did foul Durant. The only problem I had with that was it allowed Manu to be more aggressive thinking he only had 3 fouls when in fact he had 4 and so he picked up another foul and had to go to the bench.
7. Kevin Durant initiates contact with a rip through move against Stephen Jackson. It is called a foul on Jackson - two free throws for Durant. A point of emphasis this season to referees has been that this is NOT a foul. + 2 pts Thunder
No, a point of emphasis has been that this isn't a shooting foul, but the Spurs were in the penalty.
That's 14 free points to the Thunder, and Ginobili on the bench in the fourth, all because of fouls that did not happen. This is not whining about the referees, these are simply the facts, and they can be examined for validity.
During the stretch of bad calls in the 4th, the Thunder did not hit a FG for over 5 minutes. During this time they scored 15 points.
No whining, just posting the obvious bad calls. By the way, I would have posted bad calls against the Thunder, but after review I can't find any. If you can find blatantly bad calls against the Thunder, I'll edit this post and put those calls in the list.
Sounds like whining to me, and most of it is wrong. That intellectual can of whoopass must be outdated.
Spurs Brazil
06-07-2012, 10:49 AM
One other officiating note: We were flying out of San Antonio earlier in the playoffs, and Rodney Mott, the ref, was on our flight. One in our media traveling party approached him and pointed to a seeing-eye dog nearby.
“I’m not going to make the obvious joke,” he said.
Mott smiled.
The writer also told him that he must have done a good job the night before, because we couldn’t remember him working the game. Being invisible is often the sign of a competent official.
Then, we looked at the box score and remembered. Mott had been the alternate. There was a reason we couldn’t remember him.
Mott isn’t one of the league’s better refs. He would have been an alternate in Game 6, too, if not for the illness of another official Wednesday.
That’s why, this time, the Spurs will remember Mott.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/buckharvey/2012/06/a-call-that-needs-to-be-reviewed/
Remember this guy
http://www.nbastuffer.com/charts/58.jpg
I'm trying to make a compilation video, but I need the Manu "charge" on Durant... anybody have it?
Composing more fiction eh? Are you going to invoke a sense of the numinous in your montage?
With your type of bias confirmation and ability to skew the truth to suit your agenda, I am sure it will be a hit. Your class should love it.
cheguevara
06-07-2012, 10:52 AM
wake up ppl
NBA is a FOR PROFIT coorporation. All they care about in the end is THE BOTTOM line. Of course there will be some manipulation. But that's part of the game. Same thing with the Financial System in this country.
There's manipulation pretty much anywhere money is involved. And money is very, very involved in the NBA.
temujin
06-07-2012, 11:04 AM
wake up ppl
NBA is a FOR PROFIT coorporation. All they care about in the end is THE BOTTOM line. Of course there will be some manipulation. But that's part of the game. Same thing with the Financial System in this country.
There's manipulation pretty much anywhere money is involved. And money is very, very involved in the NBA.
Shhh.
Don't tell these kids, let them dream on.
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