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CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 11:12 AM
I know, consider the source, but if this documentation is legitimate it really illuminates a lot about Obama's socialist beliefs and the extent he and his buddies went to to cover it up.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302031/obamas-third-party-history-stanley-kurtz?pg=2


JUNE 7, 2012 4:00 A.M.
Obama’s Third-Party History
New documents shed new light on his ties to a leftist party in the 1990s.
By Stanley Kurtz


On the evening of January 11, 1996, while Mitt Romney was in the final years of his run as the head of Bain Capital, Barack Obama formally joined the New Party, which was deeply hostile to the mainstream of the Democratic party and even to American capitalism. In 2008, candidate Obama deceived the American public about his potentially damaging tie to this third party. The issue remains as fresh as today’s headlines, as Romney argues that Obama is trying to move the United States toward European-style social democracy, which was precisely the New Party’s goal.

In late October 2008, when I wrote here at National Review Online that Obama had been a member of the New Party, his campaign sharply denied it, calling my claim a “crackpot smear.” Fight the Smears, an official Obama-campaign website, staunchly maintained that “Barack has been a member of only one political party, the Democratic Party.” I rebutted this, but the debate was never taken up by the mainstream press.

Recently obtained evidence from the updated records of Illinois ACORN at the Wisconsin Historical Society now definitively establishes that Obama was a member of the New Party. He also signed a “contract” promising to publicly support and associate himself with the New Party while in office.

Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:
Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.

Consistent with this, a roster of the Chicago chapter of the New Party from early 1997 lists Obama as a member, with January 11, 1996, indicated as the date he joined.

Knowing that Obama disguised his New Party membership helps make sense of his questionable handling of the 2008 controversy over his ties to ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). During his third debate with John McCain, Obama said that the “only” involvement he’d had with ACORN was to represent the group in a lawsuit seeking to compel Illinois to implement the National Voter Registration Act, or motor-voter law. The records of Illinois ACORN and its associated union clearly contradict that assertion, as I show in my political biography of the president, Radical-in-Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism.

Why did Obama deny his ties to ACORN? The group was notorious in 2008 for thug tactics, fraudulent voter registrations, and its role in popularizing risky subprime lending. Admitting that he had helped to fund ACORN’s voter-registration efforts and train some of their organizers would doubtless have been an embarrassment but not likely a crippling blow to his campaign. So why not simply confess the tie and make light of it? The problem for Obama was ACORN’s political arm, the New Party.

The revelation in 2008 that Obama had joined an ACORN-controlled, leftist third party could have been damaging indeed, and coming clean about his broader work with ACORN might easily have exposed these New Party ties. Because the work of ACORN and the New Party often intersected with Obama’s other alliances, honesty about his ties to either could have laid bare the entire network of his leftist political partnerships.

Although Obama is ultimately responsible for deceiving the American people in 2008 about his political background, he got help from his old associates. Each of the two former political allies who helped him to deny his New Party membership during campaign ’08 was in a position to know better.

The Fight the Smears website quoted Carol Harwell, who managed Obama’s 1996 campaign for the Illinois senate: “Barack did not solicit or seek the New Party endorsement for state senator in 1995.” Drawing on her testimony, Fight the Smears conceded that the New Party did support Obama in 1996 but denied that Obama had ever joined, adding that “he was the only candidate on the ballot in his race and never solicited the endorsement.”

We’ve seen that this is false. Obama formally requested New Party endorsement, signed the candidate contract, and joined the party. Is it conceivable that Obama’s own campaign manager could have been unaware of this? The notion is implausible. And the documents make Harwell’s assertion more remarkable still.

The New Party had a front group called Progressive Chicago, whose job was to identify candidates that the New Party and its sympathizers might support. Nearly four years before Obama was endorsed by the New Party, both he and Harwell joined Progressive Chicago and began signing public letters that regularly reported on the group’s meetings. By prominently taking part in Progressive Chicago activities, Obama was effectively soliciting New Party support for his future political career (as was Harwell, on Obama’s behalf). So Harwell’s testimony is doubly false.

When the New Party controversy broke out, just about the only mainstream journalist to cover it was Politico’s Ben Smith, whose evident purpose was to dismiss it out of hand. He contacted Obama’s official spokesman Ben LaBolt, who claimed that his candidate “was never a member” of the New Party. And New Party co-founder and leader Joel Rogers told Smith, “We didn’t really have members.” But a line in the New Party’s official newsletter explicitly identified Obama as a party member. Rogers dismissed that as mere reference to “the fact that the party had endorsed him.”
This is nonsense. I exposed the falsity of Rogers’s absurd claim, and Smith’s credulity in accepting it, in 2008 (here and here). And in Radical-in-Chief I took on Rogers’s continuing attempts to justify it. The recently uncovered New Party records reveal how dramatically far from the truth Rogers’s statement has been all along.

In a memo dated January 29, 1996, Rogers, writing as head of the New Party Interim Executive Council, addressed “standing concerns regarding existing chapter development and activity, the need for visibility as well as new members.” So less than three weeks after Obama joined the New Party, Rogers was fretting about the need for new members. How, then, could Rogers assert in 2008 that his party “didn’t really have members”? Internal documents show that the entire leadership of the New Party, both nationally and in Chicago, was practically obsessed with signing up new members, from its founding moments until it dissolved in the late 1990s.

In 2008, after I called Rogers out on his ridiculous claim that his party had no members, he explained to Ben Smith that “we did have regular supporters whom many called ‘members,’ but it just meant contributing regularly, not getting voting rights or other formal power in NP governance.” This is also flatly contradicted by the newly uncovered records.

At just about the time Obama joined the New Party, the Chicago chapter was embroiled in a bitter internal dispute. A party-membership list is attached to a memo in which the leaders of one faction consider a scheme to disqualify potential voting members from a competing faction, on the grounds that those voters had not renewed their memberships. The factional leaders worried that their opponents would legitimately object to this tactic, since a mailing that called for members to renew hadn’t been properly sent out. At any rate, the memo clearly demonstrates that, contrary to Rogers’s explanation, membership in the New Party entailed the right to vote on matters of party governance. In fact, Obama’s own New Party endorsement, being controversial, was thrown open to a members’ vote on the day he joined the party.

Were Harwell and Rogers deliberately lying in order to protect Obama and deceive the public? Readers can decide for themselves. Yet it is clear that Obama, through his official spokesman, Ben LaBolt, and the Fight the Smears website, was bent on deceiving the American public about a matter whose truth he well knew.

The documents reveal that the New Party’s central aim was to move the United States steadily closer to European social democracy, a goal that Mitt Romney has also attributed to Obama. New Party leaders disdained mainstream Democrats, considering them tools of business, and promised instead to create a partnership between elected officials and local community organizations, with the goal of socializing the American economy to an unprecedented degree.

The party’s official “statement of principles,” which candidates seeking endorsement from the Chicago chapter were asked to support, called for a “peaceful revolution” and included redistributive proposals substantially to the left of the Democratic party.

To get a sense of the ideology at play, consider that the meeting at which Obama joined the party opened with the announcement of a forthcoming event featuring the prominent socialist activist Frances Fox Piven. The Chicago New Party sponsored a luncheon with Michael Moore that same year.

I have more to say on the New Party’s ideology and program, Obama’s ties to the party, and the relevance of all this to the president’s campaign for reelection. See the forthcoming issue of National Review.

In the meantime, let us see whether a press that let candidate Obama off the hook in 2008 — and that in 2012 is obsessed with the president’s youthful love letters — will now refuse to report that President Obama once joined a leftist third party, and that he hid that truth from the American people in order to win the presidency.

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 11:17 AM
"President Obama once joined a leftist third party"

It's a free country, ain't it?

leftist is illegal, unConstitutional?

And he's so so so leftist and anti-capitalist, he bailed out the auto companies, and let Wall st criminal banksters and fraudsters escape.

ChumpDumper
06-07-2012, 11:22 AM
New Party leaders disdained mainstream Democrats, considering them tools of business, and promised instead to create a partnership between elected officials and local community organizations, with the goal of socializing the American economy to an unprecedented degree.Yeah, that's exactly what Obama has done. :rolleyes

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 11:28 AM
NR fabricates controversy where there isn't any.

Like Fox Repug network and fist-bumping terrorists in the WH.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 11:29 AM
"President Obama once joined a leftist third party"

It's a free country, ain't it?

leftist is illegal, unConstitutional?

And he's so so so leftist and anti-capitalist, he bailed out the auto companies, and let Wall st criminal banksters and fraudsters escape.

Bailed out the auto companies? :lol He bailed out the UAW.

coyotes_geek
06-07-2012, 11:36 AM
Obama isn't any more of a socialist than W is.

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 11:42 AM
Bailed out the auto companies? :lol He bailed out the UAW.

He bailed out the workers and the companies' suppliers.

100Ks of jobs and 100s of companies depend of GM and Chrysler.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 11:51 AM
So blue team doesn't find it interesting that our President joined a far left third party and then lied about it?

And we aren't talking about some teenage rebellious phase but when he was an adult and running for political office.

coyotes_geek
06-07-2012, 11:52 AM
GM's predominantly foreign workforce appreciates Obama's generosity.

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 11:57 AM
what percentage of GM's workforce is overseas (non USA/Canada)

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 12:05 PM
All big US corps are multi-national.

You have any objection $Bs in tax expenditures for Exxon, Chevron, etc? Their overseas employees clearly benefit.

coyotes_geek
06-07-2012, 12:17 PM
what percentage of GM's workforce is overseas (non USA/Canada)

Per their last 10-Q:

209,000 total worldwide employees

Of that 209,000 only 100,000 work in North America (US/Canada/Mexico).

Of that 100,000 only 79,000 work in the U.S.

Of that 79,000, 50,000 are salaries employees and 29,000 are hourly.

coyotes_geek
06-07-2012, 12:19 PM
All big US corps are multi-national.

You have any objection $Bs in tax expenditures for Exxon, Chevron, etc? Their overseas employees clearly benefit.

Yes, I object to tax expenditures for Exxon, Chevron, etc.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 12:25 PM
What tax expenditures for oil companies?

scott
06-07-2012, 12:44 PM
Who knew socialism was so good for Corporate Profits?

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 12:50 PM
What tax expenditures for oil companies?

*echo*

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 01:15 PM
Senate blocks proposed end to oil company tax breaks

Republicans led opposition to the measure, but several Democrats from oil-rich states joined the GOP in a filibuster to prevent the legislation from advancing. The vote was 51-47, failing to reach the 60-vote threshold.

The legislation would end more than $2 billion in annual tax subsidies to the so-called big five oil companies -- BP, Chevron, Exxon, Shell and Conoco-Phillips.

Part of the $24 billion in savings over a decade would be reinvested in renewed tax breaks for biodiesel, cellulosic ethanol and energy efficiency programs.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/mar/29/news/la-pn-senate-blocks-proposed-end-to-oil-company-tax-breaks-20120329

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 01:16 PM
Again...be specific. WHAT tax expenditures are you talking about?

clambake
06-07-2012, 01:19 PM
expenditures/subsidies......still a loss, right?

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 01:20 PM
any tax due that is not collected is a tax expenditure.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 01:22 PM
any tax due that is not collected is a tax expenditure.

What taxes are due? Quit spouting rhetoric and be specific.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 01:25 PM
expenditures/subsidies......still a loss, right?

what subsidies? Again, don't give me rhetoric, be specific.

clambake
06-07-2012, 01:29 PM
if you don't believe they get tax breaks......then i don't know what to tell you.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 01:32 PM
if you don't believe they get tax breaks......then i don't know what to tell you.

Be specific on the "breaks" you think are unfair. Big deal...they are allowed to depreciate drilling costs...every damn business in the United States is allowed to depreciate capital expenses...are you saying that we should single out one industry and take that capital expense depreciation deduction away?

clambake
06-07-2012, 01:33 PM
and i'm not suggesting that its just big oil that gets them.

clambake
06-07-2012, 01:36 PM
Be specific on the "breaks" you think are unfair. Big deal...they are allowed to depreciate drilling costs...every damn business in the United States is allowed to depreciate capital expenses...are you saying that we should single out one industry and take that capital expense depreciation deduction away?

like i said, not just big oil. why not start with them? what is this strange affair that hardcore conservatives have with big oil? (even though they're not conservative)

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 01:45 PM
You want to do away with depreciating capital expenses for ALL businesses? REALLY?

ChumpDumper
06-07-2012, 01:49 PM
So blue team doesn't find it interesting that our President joined a far left third party and then lied about it?

And we aren't talking about some teenage rebellious phase but when he was an adult and running for political office.Considering the complete absence of actual documents in this articles and Obama's decidedly non-far-left record as president, it's not really interesting at all.

clambake
06-07-2012, 01:50 PM
you know i don't. the need for oil and gas is like the need for air. apps for your iphone aren't a necessity.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 01:52 PM
like i said, not just big oil. why not start with them? what is this strange affair that hardcore conservatives have with big oil? (even though they're not conservative)

I'm not in love with big oil but the Obama administrations WAR on big oil disgusts me. Yeah, they are big businesses. Yeah, buying gas is a big expense for voters. Big oil is probably unpopular with voters. To make them villains in a political campaign however, and treat them differently than any other company just for political points with stupid voters is absolutely reprehensible. The US government makes a hell of a lot more money on every single gallon of gas sold than the oil companies do.

ChumpDumper
06-07-2012, 01:53 PM
lol WAR

clambake
06-07-2012, 01:59 PM
if you don't think that politics and big oil isn't an influence on empire building and foreign policy.......well, then i don't know what to tell you, other than big oil always wins.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 02:04 PM
if you don't think that politics and big oil isn't an influence on empire building and foreign policy.......well, then i don't know what to tell you, other than big oil always wins.

You can say that about a lot of companies, industries, and individuals.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 02:05 PM
lol WAR

Yeah, it's in context to call it a war.

clambake
06-07-2012, 02:08 PM
You can say that about a lot of companies, industries, and individuals.

sure you can, but why not bag a big one?

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 02:09 PM
It just blows my mind that blue team hates an industry (oil) that gets less than 8% return on investment, yet loves companies that make twice that return on investment (like google) and wants to punish the company making an 8% return on investment by taking away tax deductions that other companies would still get.

clambake
06-07-2012, 02:13 PM
It just blows my mind that blue team hates an industry (oil) that gets less than 8% return on investment, yet loves companies with 30% return on investment (like google) and wants to punish the company making an 8% return on investment by taking away tax deductions that other companies would still get.

we don't need apple. the entire oil thing is a racket fueled by speculators and profits, and we need this shit like we need air. its different.

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 02:16 PM
we would love BigOil if they got 25% ROI? no.

by the way, the 8% is bogus, as is all corp accounting, a bunch of lies and fraud to avoid paying taxes.

Get back to us with BigOil and BigCoal pay the their external costs of environmental and health destruction.

ChumpDumper
06-07-2012, 02:17 PM
Yeah, it's in context to call it a war.It's hyperbole, too.

scott
06-07-2012, 02:17 PM
we don't need apple. the entire oil thing is a racket fueled by speculators and profits, and we need this shit like we need air. its different.

OH! I play Devil's Advocate on both sides :)

We don't need oil either.

clambake
06-07-2012, 02:19 PM
OH! I play Devil's Advocate on both sides :)

We don't need oil either.

oh yes we do!!!!!!

high octane!!!!!

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 02:19 PM
we don't need apple. the entire oil thing is a racket fueled by speculators and profits, and we need this shit like we need air. its different.

But what does that have to do with taking away the capital expense deduction from just one industry for political points with the uninformed voters? Don't you realize that it would just increase the price of gas at the pump and the average guy putting gas in his car would pay for it in the end?

clambake
06-07-2012, 02:23 PM
But what does that have to do with taking away the capital expense deduction from just one industry for political points with the uninformed voters? Don't you realize that it would just increase the price of gas at the pump and the average guy putting gas in his car would pay for it in the end?

you don't understand the mission us patriots are ready to act on. the instant they retaliate and raise the price is instant we gonna nationalize that shit.

:americanflagemoticon

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 02:24 PM
"just increase the price of gas at the pump"

... which would push people to demand more efficient cars, alternative energy, which the BigOil has $Bs with which to fight against any lowering of demand for their products. BigOil is already shipping US-sourced petro products out of the country.

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 02:25 PM
you don't understand the mission us patriots are ready to act on. the instant they retaliate and raise the price is instant we gonna nationalize that shit.

:americanflagemoticon

:lmao

clambake
06-07-2012, 02:30 PM
:lmao

and a vote for me will put an A-10 warthog in every garage.

coyotes_geek
06-07-2012, 02:44 PM
I'm not in love with big oil but the Obama administrations WAR on big oil disgusts me. Yeah, they are big businesses. Yeah, buying gas is a big expense for voters. Big oil is probably unpopular with voters. To make them villains in a political campaign however, and treat them differently than any other company just for political points with stupid voters is absolutely reprehensible. The US government makes a hell of a lot more money on every single gallon of gas sold than the oil companies do.

Obama wants the perception that he's crusading against big oil, but for the most part it's just a farce. Big oil makes a convienent boogeyman for him to focus blue team anger at, but at the end of the day the O&G industry is the fastest growing sector of the economy and Obama isn't going to do anything significant to stand in their way because he wants to take credit for the jobs that the O&G industry creates. For all the rhetoric about getting rid of big oil tax breaks and windfall profit taxes, nothing ever happens. To keep with the war analogy, Obama may be talking full scale armed conflict, but in reality he's using blanks.

Wild Cobra
06-07-2012, 03:25 PM
So blue team doesn't find it interesting that our President joined a far left third party and then lied about it?

The left loves a good liar. That's why they voted for him.

ChumpDumper
06-07-2012, 03:27 PM
Sorry, WC. You wouldn't accept this kind of story on its face if a Republican was the target.

Disingenuous.

mavs>spurs
06-07-2012, 04:08 PM
obama's socialist ideology has been apparent in his presidency from day 1...the backdoor amnesty for illegals among other things. he's a dangerous, hardcore big govt socialist liberal. he's got us on a head on collision with being a police state. i've never been more alarmed under any presidency than i am under this one. this man wants to destroy america.

clambake
06-07-2012, 04:11 PM
obama's socialist ideology has been apparent in his presidency from day 1...the backdoor amnesty for illegals among other things. he's a dangerous, hardcore big govt socialist liberal. he's got us on a head on collision with being a police state. i've never been more alarmed under any presidency than i am under this one. this man wants to destroy america.

but you'll be a corpse on a street in argentina. what do you care?

mavs>spurs
06-07-2012, 04:24 PM
^sup chumps dick holder..imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, i hear.

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 04:24 PM
"he's a dangerous, hardcore big govt socialist liberal"

You Lie

what does attempting to solve the immigration problem (which the Repugs failed to do for 2001-2007 because (Repug) businessmen, BigAg exploit cheap illegals) have to do with socialism?

CosmicCowboy
06-07-2012, 04:26 PM
"he's a dangerous, hardcore big govt socialist liberal"

You Lie

what does attempting to solve the immigration problem (which the Repugs failed to do for 2001-2007 because (Repug) businessmen, BigAg exploit cheap illegals) have to do with socialism?

What the hell has Obama done to solve the immigration problem besides presiding over a US economy so fucked up they don't want to come anymore?

boutons_deux
06-07-2012, 04:37 PM
he did talk about the immigration problem, the DREAM act, etc, and the Repug assholes started screaming and obstructing.

ChumpDumper
06-07-2012, 04:38 PM
obama's socialist ideology has been apparent in his presidency from day 1...the backdoor amnesty for illegals among other things. he's a dangerous, hardcore big govt socialist liberal. he's got us on a head on collision with being a police state. i've never been more alarmed under any presidency than i am under this one. this man wants to destroy america.You never listened to Alex Jones so much.

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 04:39 PM
if you don't think that politics and big oil isn't an influence on empire building and foreign policy.......well, then i don't know what to tell you, other than big oil always wins.

Didn't do to well in Iraq, tbh.

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 04:40 PM
we would love BigOil if they got 25% ROI? no.

by the way, the 8% is bogus, as is all corp accounting, a bunch of lies and fraud to avoid paying taxes.

Get back to us with BigOil and BigCoal pay the their external costs of environmental and health destruction.

lol. You lie. Back it up, bot.

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 04:42 PM
he did talk about the immigration problem, the DREAM act, etc, and the Repug assholes started screaming and obstructing.

lol @ talk.:lmao

clambake
06-07-2012, 04:48 PM
Didn't do to well in Iraq, tbh.

no doubt some sweet deals were made.

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 04:49 PM
no doubt? Not really.

mavs>spurs
06-07-2012, 04:51 PM
"he's a dangerous, hardcore big govt socialist liberal"

You Lie

what does attempting to solve the immigration problem (which the Repugs failed to do for 2001-2007 because (Repug) businessmen, BigAg exploit cheap illegals) have to do with socialism?

mass amnesty for law breakers seems rather dangerous and socialistic to me, considering they'll all immediately file for welfare. that's what obama wants, to reward people for disrespecting our borders.

a far cry from "solving the problem." if one wanted to solve the problem, they'd make it a felony to hire an illegal, whitey wouldn't want to go to jail to get rammed by tyrone and jamal and the illegals would leave without work, problem solved.

clambake
06-07-2012, 04:54 PM
no doubt? Not really.

western oil companies probably developing/producing 500K barrels a day.

maybe more.

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 04:56 PM
Probably, maybe...any more wiggle words you want to use?

Nevermind the dots you need to connect to get from a to b.

clambake
06-07-2012, 04:57 PM
^sup chumps dick holder..imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, i hear.

lol thinking about chumps dick.

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 04:58 PM
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-02-03/markets/29955563_1_rumaila-field-oil-energy-companies

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 04:59 PM
lol thinking about chumps dick.

I'm having shrimp for dinner! :lol

clambake
06-07-2012, 05:02 PM
Majnoon
West Qurna
Rumaila

there's probably more oilfields. (threw the "probably" in cuz you liked it so much)

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 05:06 PM
You do realize that Shell is not a US held company, right?

Also, that stake they hold in Majnoon is a joint stake with SA Aramco.

clambake
06-07-2012, 05:13 PM
yes

clambake
06-07-2012, 05:18 PM
they've made out very well. emerson is cutting a deal. as will others. sure, not quite what the bush policy promised, but plenty of time to ink more paper.

clambake
06-07-2012, 05:19 PM
in other news.....fleetwood mac is dead.

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 05:34 PM
in other news.....fleetwood mac is dead.

you lie!

clambake
06-07-2012, 05:36 PM
sorry


in other news.....fleetwood mac is dead.

probably

TeyshaBlue
06-07-2012, 05:37 PM
:lol

FuzzyLumpkins
06-07-2012, 06:10 PM
You people are ignorant.

Someone explain to me how unchecked immigration is a socialist ideal.

All that article tells me that the NR misses Buckley more than ever. Conservative intellectualism is just about dead.

scott
06-07-2012, 07:03 PM
You do realize that Shell is not a US held company, right?

Also, that stake they hold in Majnoon is a joint stake with SA Aramco.

It's as US held as any publicly traded multi-national giant. You or I can go buy shares whenever we're ready.

scott
06-07-2012, 07:04 PM
This thread does a great job of pointing out the real threat to America: the ignorance of its voters.

clambake
06-07-2012, 07:16 PM
It's as US held as any publicly traded multi-national giant. You or I can go buy shares whenever we're ready.

i think what he's saying is that we can't paint the face of the ugly american across the logo.

party pooper.

mavs>spurs
06-07-2012, 08:51 PM
This thread does a great job of pointing out the real threat to America: the ignorance of its voters.

:lol obviously if you're not an Obama slobber, you're "ignorant" :cry

jack sommerset
06-07-2012, 10:01 PM
:lol obviously if you're not an Obama slobber, you're "ignorant" :cry

Perhaps a little broader than that. If you vote republican you are an uneducated racist bigot who hates freedom. Article does not surprise me in the least. God bless

FuzzyLumpkins
06-07-2012, 10:33 PM
So jack, i am curious, what is your take on the third commandment?

FuzzyLumpkins
06-07-2012, 10:34 PM
:lol obviously if you're not an Obama slobber, you're "ignorant" :cry

No it just means that a lot of people in this thread have been demonstrating ignorance. I particularly enjoyed you conflating immigration amnesty with socialism. That was nice.

scott
06-07-2012, 10:53 PM
:lol obviously if you're not an Obama slobber, you're "ignorant" :cry

Obviously you're ignorant. No ifs or qualifiers needed.

mavs>spurs
06-07-2012, 11:04 PM
:rollin

a lot of almighty know it alls on this forum with the God given authority to judge people 100% accurately over the internet

FuzzyLumpkins
06-07-2012, 11:21 PM
:rollin

a lot of almighty know it alls on this forum with the God given authority to judge people 100% accurately over the internet

You even going to try and justify equating socialism and immigration policy or you just conceding that it was an ignorant statement?

mavs>spurs
06-07-2012, 11:28 PM
obama can be a socialist and have a shitty immigration policy simultaneously..and they do have something to do with one another because once the be@ners get legalized they'll file for welfare immediately

jack sommerset
06-07-2012, 11:56 PM
So jack, i am curious, what is your take on the third commandment?

I can see that. You have mentioned his before. Pretty basic my friend. Don't misuse Gods name. Seeing that I try to end my post with God bless, I concluded this might be a problem for you. I mean to honor him. It's a good wish for someones future welfare.Good night and God bless

clambake
06-08-2012, 12:01 AM
hey jack, denver is calling.

ElNono
06-08-2012, 01:12 AM
Immigration policy changed? When? Last I checked, this administration set a new record on the number of deported illegal aliens...

Oh and Barry has been Bush Jr 3rd term pretty much. For a 'lefty socialist' he damn sure looks to be quite to the right...

FuzzyLumpkins
06-08-2012, 01:57 AM
obama can be a socialist and have a shitty immigration policy simultaneously..and they do have something to do with one another because once the be@ners get legalized they'll file for welfare immediately

DERP SOCIALIST DERP!

i cannot determine if its more sad that you try to conflate him with the buzz words amnesty, socialist or welfare. simple minds simple pleasures i guess. even your comments on policy are generalizations of rhetoric. thats why you are called ignorant

SOCIALIST DERP!!! AMNESTY DERP!!! WELFARE DERP!!!

i am sure that you think i am a democrat for telling you this too. think outside the box man.

TeyshaBlue
06-08-2012, 09:09 AM
It's as US held as any publicly traded multi-national giant. You or I can go buy shares whenever we're ready.

The US subsidiary is, yes. Royal Dutch Shell, no.

My bad.

mavs>spurs
06-08-2012, 01:29 PM
B-b-b-but Obammy isn't a socialist :cry

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/sessions-food-stamp-spending-up-100-percent-since-obama-took-office/

ElNono
06-08-2012, 01:51 PM
B-b-b-but Obammy isn't a socialist :cry

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/sessions-food-stamp-spending-up-100-percent-since-obama-took-office/

According to Senate Budget Committee Republicans, spending on the federal government’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program — food stamps – has quadrupled since 2001 and doubled in just the last four years. In the same four-year period, the number of Americans on those benefits increased 65 percent, from 28.8 million in 2008 to 46.6 million in 2012.

The question is, is it out of necessity due to the depression, or is it policy? And if it's the later, why did the red team approve such spending?

Old Man Kidd
06-08-2012, 09:34 PM
math lesson for elnono:

to simplify things, let's say food stamp spending was at a 1 in 2001. now times that by 4.

1 x 4 = 4

4-1 = 3. so food stamp spending increased by 3 from 2001-2008.


now legs fastforward to the last 4 years, where it doubled.

4 x 2 = 8

8 - 4 = 4. so spending increased by 4.

which number is bigger, 4 or 3? in this scenario, food stamp spending increased by more in the last 4 years than it did in the previous 7.

see how that works?

ElNono
06-08-2012, 10:21 PM
math lesson for elnono:

to simplify things, let's say food stamp spending was at a 1 in 2001. now times that by 4.

1 x 4 = 4

4-1 = 3. so food stamp spending increased by 3 from 2001-2008.


now legs fastforward to the last 4 years, where it doubled.

4 x 2 = 8

8 - 4 = 4. so spending increased by 4.

which number is bigger, 4 or 3? in this scenario, food stamp spending increased by more in the last 4 years than it did in the previous 7.

see how that works?

:lol math

I'm not disputing the contention that food stamp spending grew more during the past 4 years than the last 10. That actually makes sense considering the tanking of the economy post-TARP, including the recession. Much like other government assistance programs like unemployment benefits, those things go in high demand when the economy is in the shitter.

What I'm disputing is that the growth = socialism. Under that premise, red team members are just as "socialist" as Barry, seeing that during those 10 years, SNAP spending quadrupled...

In addition, don't forget that SNAP spending isn't controlled by the president. It's controlled by Congress. We can argue whether it's too much or not, but those pointing fingers are just as responsible for the increase.