question about rigged games

[clambake]

so, how is that the players don't know that the winner is already determined?

[baseline bum]

haven't liked Stern's star-driven, one-on-one, ref-dictated, basketball-like entertainment product for a long time now.

I've probably watched less than 5 hours of non-Spurs, non-Steve Nash NBA basketball in the last 5-6 years, and now that they are done, so am I.

I'll always be a Spurs fan, and I'll follow the moves they make, but I will not support the NBA

so take that! Stern

[clambake]

ok, but the players would have to know, right?

[fevertrees]

shit they are making at least 6 figures so why would they go after their Master?

[clambake]

so, they're in on it too?

[BlairForceDejuan]

of course they know it's bullshit.

It's that thought in their head right before they remember how lucky they are for never ever having to worry about anything thanks to their skill in tossing around a big orange for half a year.

[clambake]

of course they know it's bullshit.

It's that thought in their head right before they remember how lucky they are for never ever having to worry about anything thanks to their skill in tossing around a big orange for half a year.

no,no, that would mean they're in on it too.

[thispego]

They know if they play perfectly they may be able to overcome the biased officiating. When they fail to play perfectly and the biased officiating begin to overwhelm them, they pretty much just throw their hands up, much like Ginobili did after the charge call on him that wiped away the Leonard 3.

[clambake]

that was a charge. i'm just saying they'd have to know.

[UZER]

Fair question.

But the same thing can be asked about office politics. You know your better at a job than your co-worker, but you don't get the position, they do. Are you in on the fix? No. But what can you do. You can't quit. If you bring it up, you run the risk of being shunned. So you just keep pluggin away and continue doing your job, because even though it sucks, if you don't you'll be fired.

Or you can always look for employment elsewhere.

[clambake]

so, they just go along with it, so they don't get shunned.

[UZER]

so, they just go along with it, so they don't get shunned.

I don't know man. I'm just trying to show that it's not something that doesn't already happen in everyday life. The NBA is ultimately a business.

I said it's a fair question. I would love and NBA player to say something.

[clambake]

if they're all in it together, the only loser is the fan. shouldn't you be just as upset with players as well?

[BUMP]

clambake, venturing into the NBA Forum, telling everyone to get the fuck out at the 3 point line, demanding it in the post and BULLYIN niggas par per etc

[UZER]

If you had no problem with the way the '06 finals went down, then good for you.

If you do, then shame on Dirk for not saying something.

[clambake]

no, its just that its been suggested that only four titles are legit. how can that be if they're in on it too?

[clambake]

If you had no problem with the way the '06 finals went down, then good for you.

If you do, then shame on Dirk for not saying something.

i never said one word about '06 being rigged.

but if they are......then i'm mad at dirk.....timmy......manu......kobe......jordan.... .well u get what i'm saying.

[UZER]

Well....are you?

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

Stupid question. Why would the players HAVE to know?
What would force Stern to tell them? It isn't "scripted", teams
are not pulling any punches, it's the officiating that has such a
huge effect on the game.

I thought the officiating was shoddy through much of the
Thunder-Spurs series. But in game 6, it was made so painfully
apparent, because they probably felt, that if the Spurs actually
won game 6 in OKC, that they'd have the power to actually overcome
the one-sided officiating in their arena in game 7. & that's a chance
Stern was not willing to take.

[thispego]

that was a charge. i'm just saying they'd have to know.

:lmao

[clambake]

Well....are you?

if its rigged. u saying its all rigged?

[clambake]

Stupid question. Why would the players HAVE to know?
What would force Stern to tell them? It isn't "scripted", teams
are not pulling any punches, it's the officiating that has such a
huge effect on the game.

I thought the officiating was shoddy through much of the
Thunder-Spurs series. But in game 6, it was made so painfully
apparent, because they probably felt, that if the Spurs actually
won game 6 in OKC, that they'd have the power to actually overcome
the one-sided officiating in their arena in game 7. & that's a chance
Stern was not willing to take.

no, if its rigged and they don't know it, then its stupid players.

[clambake]

its also been suggested that the owners know and that stern does it so they'll make more money from it.

[ChumpDumper]

Why would anyone rig anything for a team from Oklahoma?

[clambake]

Why would anyone rig anything for a team from Oklahoma?

why not? i heard that every workplace is rigged too.

[UZER]

why not? i heard that every workplace is rigged too.


Really? I'm interested in who told you that every workplace was rigged.

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

no, if its rigged and they don't know it, then its stupid players.

If the players know, & they actually brought it to the light,
they would be fined severely, & it wouldn't change anything.

[clambake]

If the players know, & they actually brought it to the light,
they would be fined severely, & it wouldn't change anything.

you saying that someone like rodman or iverson or any pissed off former player is still being paid for silence?

[clambake]

Really? I'm interested in who told you that every workplace was rigged.

i don't remember, it was a while back.

[mavs>spurs]

Why would anyone rig anything for a team from Oklahoma?

durant is marketable, the thunder are fun to watch, and i'm sure they draw some of the best tv ratings. they are even one of the top sellers of merchandise.

Top 10 Most Popular Team Merchandise
Rank Team
1. Bulls
2. Knicks
3. Lakers
4. Heat
5. Mavericks *
6. Celtics
7. Thunder
8. Clippers *
9. Nuggets
10. Magic

Top 15 Most Popular NBA Jerseys
Rank Player Team
1. Derrick Rose Bulls
2. Jeremy Lin Knicks*
3. Kobe Bryant Lakers
4. LeBron James Heat
5. Carmelo Anthony Knicks
6. Dwyane Wade Heat
7. Dirk Nowitzki Mavericks
8. Kevin Durant Thunder
9. Blake Griffin Clippers
10. Rajon Rondo Celtics
11. Amar'e Stoudemire Knicks
12. Ray Allen Celtics
13. Paul Pierce Celtics
14. Dwight Howard Magic
15. Chris Paul

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/04/26/2011-12-nba-jersey-sales/index.html

[UZER]

When you find out, let me know.

[clambake]

durant is marketable, the thunder are fun to watch, and i'm sure they draw some of the best tv ratings. they are even one of the top sellers of merchandise.

Top 10 Most Popular Team Merchandise
Rank Team
1. Bulls
2. Knicks
3. Lakers
4. Heat
5. Mavericks *
6. Celtics
7. Thunder
8. Clippers *
9. Nuggets
10. Magic

Top 15 Most Popular NBA Jerseys
Rank Player Team
1. Derrick Rose Bulls
2. Jeremy Lin Knicks*
3. Kobe Bryant Lakers
4. LeBron James Heat
5. Carmelo Anthony Knicks
6. Dwyane Wade Heat
7. Dirk Nowitzki Mavericks
8. Kevin Durant Thunder
9. Blake Griffin Clippers
10. Rajon Rondo Celtics
11. Amar'e Stoudemire Knicks
12. Ray Allen Celtics
13. Paul Pierce Celtics
14. Dwight Howard Magic
15. Chris Paul

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/04/26/2011-12-nba-jersey-sales/index.html
here we go.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The fishin's been good:lol

[mavs>spurs]

Here are the ratings, they were top 5 at midseason

Overall Ratings
Top 5
Team RSN Avg. 2011-12 rating
San Antonio Spurs FS Southwest 7.94
Miami Heat Sun Sports 6.49
Chicago Bulls CSN Chicago 6.10
Oklahoma City Thunder FS Oklahoma 5.97
Cleveland Cavaliers FS Ohio 4.91


And those numbers are growing fast

Change In Rating
Top 5
Team RSN Change in avg. rating
Minnesota Timberwolves FS North 140.4%
Oklahoma City Thunder FS Oklahoma 139.8%
Los Angeles Clippers Prime Ticket 137.7%
Philadelphia 76ers CSN 111.8%
New York Knicks MSG 71.2%

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/27/Media/NBA-RSNs.aspx

Imagine what a Durant championship would do for their marketability? You guys need to think outside of the box, the nba probably makes the bulk of its money off the big nationally televised playoff games because of the advertisements, how big the local market is only comes secondary and really isn't as important as nationwide marketability.

[ChumpDumper]

durant is marketable, the thunder are fun to watch, and i'm sure they draw some of the best tv ratings. they are even one of the top sellers of merchandise.

Top 10 Most Popular Team Merchandise
Rank Team
1. Bulls
2. Knicks
3. Lakers
4. Heat
5. Mavericks *
6. Celtics
7. Thunder
8. Clippers *
9. Nuggets
10. Magic

Top 15 Most Popular NBA Jerseys
Rank Player Team
1. Derrick Rose Bulls
2. Jeremy Lin Knicks*
3. Kobe Bryant Lakers
4. LeBron James Heat
5. Carmelo Anthony Knicks
6. Dwyane Wade Heat
7. Dirk Nowitzki Mavericks
8. Kevin Durant Thunder
9. Blake Griffin Clippers
10. Rajon Rondo Celtics
11. Amar'e Stoudemire Knicks
12. Ray Allen Celtics
13. Paul Pierce Celtics
14. Dwight Howard Magic
15. Chris Paul

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/04/26/2011-12-nba-jersey-sales/index.htmlHm, that's an argument for fixing the playoffs for the Lakers tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

Here are the ratings, they were top 5 at midseason

Overall Ratings
Top 5
Team RSN Avg. 2011-12 rating
San Antonio Spurs FS Southwest 7.94
Miami Heat Sun Sports 6.49
Chicago Bulls CSN Chicago 6.10
Oklahoma City Thunder FS Oklahoma 5.97
Cleveland Cavaliers FS Ohio 4.91


And those numbers are growing fast

Change In Rating
Top 5
Team RSN Change in avg. rating
Minnesota Timberwolves FS North 140.4%
Oklahoma City Thunder FS Oklahoma 139.8%
Los Angeles Clippers Prime Ticket 137.7%
Philadelphia 76ers CSN 111.8%
New York Knicks MSG 71.2%

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2012/02/27/Media/NBA-RSNs.aspx

Imagine what a Durant championship would do for their marketability? You guys need to think outside of the box, the nba probably makes the bulk of its money off the big nationally televised playoff games because of the advertisements, how big the local market is only comes secondary and really isn't as important as nationwide marketability.So why did you post the regional numbers?

[mavs>spurs]

:lmao i'm busted

[DPG21920]

Or you just messed up. That's ok too.

[mavs>spurs]

awww shit here we go

[Roger Freemason Jr.]

you saying that someone like rodman or iverson or any pissed off former player is still being paid for silence?

You're going balls deep into this.

I don't know about Iverson or Rodman, nor do I care.
All I know is that as a fan, I can't even think about this
because it makes me feel like a cretin for watching.

[mavs>spurs]

but on a serious note, check this out

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2012/05/nba-playoffs-thunderspurs-game-1-third-highest-rated-conference-final-opener-since-02/

and that's with boring San Antonio bringing the ratings down by at least half :stirpot:

[clambake]

You're going balls deep into this.

I don't know about Iverson or Rodman, nor do I care.
All I know is that as a fan, I can't even think about this
because it makes me feel like a cretin for watching.

i hear ya man. the players are just as guilty.

[DPG21920]

awww shit here we go

:lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

BR lurking...WWE, partially scripted sports entertainment, yada yada yada

[Old Man Kidd]

Why would anyone rig anything for a team from Oklahoma?

I'm not sure but I think this may have something to do with it.


"A Game 7 matchup of the Heat vs. Thunder in the NBA Finals would set NBA records for TV ratings, and I'd be front and center contributing to the statistics."


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1207228-nba-playoffs-2012-tv-schedule-heat-vs-thunder-finals-would-light-up-tv-ratings

[spursfan09]

I don't think it's rigged but why should Joey be allowed to ever ref a spurs game. He hates them and hates the face of the franchise.

[dunkman]

that was a charge. i'm just saying they'd have to know.

If you saw Pop and the Spurs players in game 6 vs OKC, it was obvious they knew. And from the moment Crawford was selected as one of the refs, the messege for the Spurs was clear.

[NRHector]

If you saw Pop and the Spurs players in game 6 vs OKC, it was obvious they knew. And from the moment Crawford was selected as one of the refs, the messege for the Spurs was clear.

thank you

[TDMVPDPOY]

u know its rigged, when the nba doesnt allow you to show any emotions to retaliate on stupid calls going against you, or calling out the refs in post game interviews only to be fine....

stern = jew = wannabe fkn commie

[HI-FI]

i think a better question is, do you really believe the refs are told to follow the rulebook exactly as its written and keep calling every foul they see?

that would slow the game down, make it less exciting and watchable, plus the superstars would suddenly seem less super. both of those things would hurt the league's marketing strategy.

[Old Man Kidd]

i think a better question is, do you really believe the refs are told to follow the rulebook exactly as its written and keep calling every foul they see?

that would slow the game down, make it less exciting and watchable, plus the superstars would suddenly seem less super. both of those things would hurt the league's marketing strategy.

as long as you're not crying about it and fully acknowledge that the spurs superstars got help in winning theirs as well

[Spurs9]

Makes sense why a player or coach gets fined the next day anytime they bring up the officiating, and if you don't believe its rigged look at New Orleans getting the #1 pick. Just a guarantee that Benson wanted for all that cash he was giving up, and Stern bent over and complied. How come they don't show the lottery balls being picked?!

[Twisted_Dawg]

The rigged NBA officiating is nothing new. Back in 1979, the Spurs were brutally raped by the officials in the ECF against Washington. Mike Gale, a former Spur great on that team, told me to a man, the players and coaches all knew the league "made a business decision" to have Washington win.

There was no way in hell, the NBA was going to allow a San Antonio vs Seattle Final.
And that was in an age when networks would show the games tape delayed later at night.

[eyeh8u]

im trying to find that video where jeff van gundy stares and talks robotically into the camera and says the nba is not fixed , but i cant find it.