The Fukushima Thread

[mavs>spurs]

Since mainstream media won't cover it, and nobody else seems to understand the seriousness behind it, this is the thread for any and all Fukushima related talk.

http://www.eutimes.net/2012/04/russia-stunned-after-japanese-plan-to-evacuate-40-million-revealed/


A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Foreign Ministry on the planned re-opening of talks with Japan over the disputed Kuril Islands during the next fortnight states that Russian diplomats were “stunned” after being told by their Japanese counterparts that upwards of 40 million of their peoples were in “extreme danger” of life threatening radiation poisoning and could very well likely be faced with forced evacuations away from their countries eastern most located cities… including the world’s largest one, Tokyo.
The Kuril Islands are located in Russia’s Sakhalin Oblast region and stretch approximately 1,300 km (810 miles) northeast from Hokkaidō, Japan, to Kamchatka, Russia, separating the Sea of Okhotsk from the North Pacific Ocean. There are 56 islands and many more minor rocks. It consists of Greater Kuril Ridge and Lesser Kuril Ridge, all of which were captured by Soviet Forces in the closing days of World War II from the Japanese.
The “extreme danger” facing tens of millions of the Japanese peoples is the result of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Disaster that was a series of equipment failures, nuclear meltdowns, and releases of radioactive materials at the Fukushima I Nuclear Power Plant, following the Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami on 11 March 2011.
According to this report, Japanese diplomats have signaled to their Russian counterparts that the returning of the Kuril Islands to Japan is “critical” as they have no other place to resettle so many people that would, in essence, become the largest migration of human beings since the 1930’s when Soviet leader Stalin forced tens of millions to resettle Russia’s far eastern regions.
Important to note, this report continues, are that Japanese diplomats told their Russian counterparts that they were, also, “seriously considering” an offer by China to relocate tens of millions of their citizens to the Chinese mainland to inhabit what are called the “ghost cities,” built for reasons still unknown and described, in part, by London’s Daily Mail News Service in their 18 December 2010 article titled: “The Ghost Towns Of China: Amazing Satellite Images Show Cities Meant To Be Home To Millions Lying Deserted” that says:
“These amazing satellite images show sprawling cities built in remote parts of China that have been left completely abandoned, sometimes years after their construction. Elaborate public buildings and open spaces are completely unused, with the exception of a few government vehicles near communist authority offices. Some estimates put the number of empty homes at as many as 64 million, with up to 20 new cities being built every year in the country’s vast swathes of free land.”

Foreign Ministry experts in this report note that should Japan accept China’s offer, the combined power of these two Asian peoples would make them the largest super-power in human history with an economy larger than that of the United States and European Union combined and able to field a combined military force of over 200 million.
To how dire the situation is in Japan was recently articulated by Japanese diplomat Akio Matsumura who warned that the disaster at the Fukushima nuclear plant may ultimately turn into an event capable of extinguishing all life on Earth.
According to the Prison Planet News Service:
“Matsumura posted [this] startling entry on his blog following a statement made by Japan’s former ambassador to Switzerland, Mitsuhei Murata, on the situation at Fukushima.
Speaking at a public hearing of the Budgetary Committee of the House of Councilors on 22 March 2012, Murata warned that “if the crippled building of reactor unit 4 – with 1,535 fuel rods in the spent fuel pool 100 feet (30 meters) above the ground – collapses, not only will it cause a shutdown of all six reactors but will also affect the common spent fuel pool containing 6,375 fuel rods, located some 50 meters from reactor 4,” writes Matsumura.
In both cases the radioactive rods are not protected by a containment vessel; dangerously, they are open to the air. This would certainly cause a global catastrophe like we have never before experienced. He stressed that the responsibility of Japan to the rest of the world is immeasurable. Such a catastrophe would affect us all for centuries. Ambassador Murata informed us that the total numbers of the spent fuel rods at the Fukushima Daiichi site excluding the rods in the pressure vessel is 11,421.”

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Disturbingly, the desperate situation facing Japan is, also, facing the United States as Russian military observers overflying the US this week as part of the Open Skies Treaty are reporting “unprecedented” amounts of radiation in the Western regions of that country, a finding that was further confirmed by scientists with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute who have confirmed that a wave of highly radioactive waste is headed directly for the US west coast.
Important to note is that this new wave of Fukushima radiation headed towards the US is in addition to earlier radiation events that American scientists are now blaming for radioactive particles from Japan being detected in California kelp.
Though the news of this ongoing global catastrophe is still being heavily censored in the US, the same cannot be said about Japan, and as recently reported by the leading Japanese newspaper The Mainichi Daily News that reports:
“One of the biggest issues that we face is the possibility that the spent nuclear fuel pool of the No. 4 reactor at the stricken Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant will collapse. This is something that experts from both within and outside Japan have pointed out since the massive quake struck. TEPCO, meanwhile, says that the situation is under control. However, not only independent experts, but also sources within the government say that it’s a grave concern.
The storage pool in the No. 4 reactor building has a total of 1,535 fuel rods, or 460 tons of nuclear fuel, in it. The 7-story building itself has suffered great damage, with the storage pool barely intact on the building’s third and fourth floors. The roof has been blown away. If the storage pool breaks and runs dry, the nuclear fuel inside will overheat and explode, causing a massive amount of radioactive substances to spread over a wide area. Both the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) and French nuclear energy company Areva have warned about this risk.
A report released in February by the Independent Investigation Commission on the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Accident stated that the storage pool of the plant’s No. 4 reactor has clearly been shown to be “the weakest link” in the parallel, chain-reaction crises of the nuclear disaster. The worse-case scenario drawn up by the government includes not only the collapse of the No. 4 reactor pool, but the disintegration of spent fuel rods from all the plant’s other reactors. If this were to happen, residents in the Tokyo metropolitan area would be forced to evacuate.”
Even though this crisis in Japan has been described as “a nuclear war without a war” and the US Military is being reported is now stocking up on massive amounts of anti-radiation pills in preparation for nuclear fallout, there remains no evidence at all the ordinary peoples are being warned about this danger in any way whatsoever.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL...

Political gamesmanship.

I would place my bet on the Japanese, in this case, making the radiation out to be worse that it is to make the "Russian problem" go away.

[ChumpDumper]

Why didn't you make the other Fukushima thread the Fukushima thread?

[ChumpDumper]

And I continue to be amazed by the wholesale acceptance of the Russian government's word as gospel by certain members of this board.

And
According to the Prison Planet News Service::rollin

[mavs>spurs]

Cool story bro'd both of your posts and will continue to post more Fukushima coverage in the morning

[ChumpDumper]

Cool story bro'd both of your posts and will continue to post more Fukushima coverage in the morningDid you start believing all the conspiracy bullshit during college or before?

[mavs>spurs]

I'll bet you also believe that the incredibly high readings they got the other day in indiana/southern michigan were "conspiracy theories" and believe the official EPA story that it was an "equipment malfunction" even though 2 separate parties at different locations both detected it

the government is looking out for your best interest!

[ChumpDumper]

I'll bet you also believe that the incredibly high readings they got the other day in indiana/southern michigan were "conspiracy theories" and believe the official EPA story that it was an "equipment malfunction" even though 2 separate parties at different locations both detected it

the government is looking out for your best interest!You didn't answer the question.

[mavs>spurs]

And I continue to be amazed by the wholesale acceptance of the Russian government's word as gospel by certain members of this board.

And:rollin

I'm equally amazed at the continued acceptance of the US govts word as gospel whenever their credibility has been shot to shit.

[mavs>spurs]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8722400/Fukushima-caesium-leaks-equal-168-Hiroshimas.html


Japan's government estimates the amount of radioactive caesium-137 released by the Fukushima nuclear disaster so far is equal to that of 168 Hiroshima bombs.

Government nuclear experts, however, said the World War II bomb blast and the accidental reactor meltdowns at Fukushima, which has seen ongoing radiation leaks but no deaths so far, were beyond comparison.
The amount of caesium-137 released since the three reactors were crippled by the March 11 quake and tsunami has been estimated at 15,000 tera becquerels, the Tokyo Shimbun reported, quoting a government calculation.
That compares with the 89 tera becquerels released by "Little Boy", the uranium bomb the United States dropped on the western Japanese city in the final days of World War II, the report said.
The estimate was submitted by Prime Minister Naoto Kan's cabinet to a lower house committee on promotion of technology and innovation, the daily said.
The government, however, argued that the comparison was not valid.

While the Hiroshima bomb claimed most of its victims in the intense heatwave of a mid-air nuclear explosion and the highly radioactive fallout from its mushroom cloud, no such nuclear explosions hit Fukushima.
There, the radiation has seeped from molten fuel inside reactors damaged by hydrogen explosions.
"An atomic bomb is designed to enable mass-killing and mass-destruction by causing blast waves and heat rays and releasing neutron radiation," the Tokyo Shimbun daily quoted a government official as saying. "It is not rational to make a simple comparison only based on the amount of isotopes released."
Government officials were not immediately available to confirm the report.
The blinding blast of the Hiroshima bomb and its fallout killed some 140,000 people, either instantly or in the days and weeks that followed as high radiation or horrific burns took their toll.
At Fukushima, Japan declared a 20-kilometre (12 mile) evacuation and no-go zone around the plant after the March 11 quake and tsunami triggered the world's worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl 25 years ago.
A recent government survey showed that some areas within the 20-kilometre zone are contaminated with radiation equivalent to more than 500 millisieverts per year – 25 times more than the government's annual limit.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm equally amazed at the continued acceptance of the US govts word as gospel whenever their credibility has been shot to shit.You didn't answer the question.

[mavs>spurs]

I'll choose the time and inquisitor when i take an exam

[ChumpDumper]

no deaths so farI certainly believe that.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll choose the time and inquisitor when i take an examLame.

I would lol if you admitted to being converted at UTA, so I understand why you wouldn't want to answer.

[mavs>spurs]

http://www.naturalnews.com/033481_Fukushima_radiation.html

Nuclear expert says Fukushima radiation coming to USA, massive cover-up under way



(Natural News) There has been a lot of disinformation regarding the Fukushima Nuclear disaster. It appears the government agencies of other nations cooperated with Japan while the international nuclear industry sided with TEPCO's (Tokyo Electric Power Company) disinformation and denial campaign.

As Mike Adams noted in his April 5th, 2011 Natural News article on Fukushima, "The government is going to turn off the radiation detectors, raise the official EPA limits of radioactive exposure, urge Americans to avoid preparing for fallout, and then pretend absolutely nothing is wrong."

Understanding the Millisievert

Millisievert figures are tossed out by the media with little attention to explaining them. Millisieverts (mSv) are measurements of ionizing radiation absorbed by a human body. Geiger counters formally measured with Rems (Roentgen equivalent man) or millirems. The figures on Geiger counters now represent mSv units per hour. There is always a low level of measurable background radiation in our environment from celestial bodies and earthly elements.

Whenever Geiger counters measure more, there is concern. Putting concerns into perspective, smoking a pack and a half of cigarettes (tobacco leaves absorb radioactive isotopes) daily causes an annual exposure level of 13 mSv per year. A 5,000 mSv single dose creates 50% likelihood of death within a month. A single 10,000 mSv dose of radiation causes almost certain death within a month.

Fukushima - Chernobyl Comparisons

Chernobyl was a one reactor meltdown. Fukushima had three reactors that melted down. Chernobyl was land locked in a relatively desolate area. The heaviest radiation was in the sparsely inhabited area near the plant, although air currents contaminated Northern Europe and Western Russia as well.

Fukushima is the small densely populated island of Japan. It seems there are going to be more cancer victims and food contamination with this disaster than Chernobyl's. The Fukushima plants are on the Pacific Ocean coast.
Millions of gallons of contaminated water are being dumped into the Pacific in addition to radiation particles floating on air streams. So ocean currents are assisting air currents, exposing the world to excessive radiation.

Sea life is getting contaminated as well. The most dangerous radiation comes from radioactive particles ingested with contaminated foods. It only takes a few ingested particles to create intense health issues or death. Seems wise to avoid northern Pacific Seafood and Japanese Teas from your diet for the near future.

The easiest sign of food chain contamination comes from high radiation readings on milk. And what little data has leaked from normally scheduled testing across the United States has shown increased radioactivity in water and milk. But the USDA is not testing organic milk since that's not part or their job description. Raw milk is another issue. There should be even more concern over Japan's food exports, especially tea.

Before the actual extent of Japan's crisis became evident, Chris Busby, a professor at the University of Ulster weighed in with a realistic early warning. "Fukushima is still boiling its radionuclides all over Japan," he said. "Chernobyl went up in one go and Fukushima is worse."

Other experts noted the futility of watering down the reactors from outside and above, which was an early attempt to cool down the reactors. The cooling has to occur inside, the way radiator coolant cools auto engines. Internal reactor cooling requires pumping water generated by electric pumps. And electricity hasn't been available there. Many experts have questioned why the sarcophagus solution was not employed or even considered.

Sarcophagus means stone tomb in Russian. The Russians devised this solution almost immediately after Chernobyl's meltdown. It took several months to implement. But they got it done, thus restricting more emissions in the immediate area and throughout Western Russia and Northern Europe.

Those living nearby Chernobyl were exposed to 450 mSv over several days. This level of exposure is sufficient to cause cancer for many within their lifetimes. Nevertheless, nearby residents were evacuated as soon as possible.
It seems Fukushima evacuation planners dragged their feet with a smaller area of no return than Chernobyl's restricted area. What kind of measurements were occurring in Fukushima by the time the Japanese government and TEPCO finally admitted that their situation was worse than originally reported?

That's difficult to answer because of the denial and disinformation during the early stages of this disaster. But it's apparent that the zone of intense radiation involves more inhabitants in Japan than Chernobyl ever did. A nearby Japanese university has tested soil samples in the area and discovered the radioactive contamination is deeper and higher than originally anticipated.

Unanticipated higher readings done by third party groups imply earlier industry and government cover ups that downgraded or withheld readings.
It was months after the initial event that the Japanese government and TEPCO raised the Fukushima danger level to seven, matching Chernobyl's disaster level.

One thing is for certain. The Fukushima radioactive leaks will continue at high amounts longer than Chernobyl did. Fukushima's radioactive fallout will be affecting more people, crops, and of course sea life than Chernobyl's disaster caused. But just like the Gulf BP oil disaster, we won't be able to count on accurate mainstream media information or government intervention to minimize the damage.

[Wild Cobra]

OK, but how many Millisieverts are we expected to be exposed to?

[ChumpDumper]

You aren't personally doing anything to avoid radiation, so no one else need care either.

[mavs>spurs]

It's in the food too..don't worry I will post more resources tomorrow where doctors and experts are saying just how disastrous this is and that there is a concerted cover up effort among governments.

http://ecowatch.org/2012/fukushima-radiation-now-detected-in-the-u-s-food-supply/


Fukushima Radiation Now Detected in the U.S. Food Supply 1A+A-
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By J.D. Heyes
Scores of experts and analysts have feared for months that it would happen, and now it has: Radiation from the heavily damaged nuclear power plants at Japan’s Fukushima complex has made it into the seafood chain off the coast of America.
Small amounts of cesium-137 and cesium-134, both radioactive elements released after a major earthquake-caused tsunami damaged at least three reactors at the site along Japan’s northeastern coast in March 2011, have been found in at least 15 tuna that were recently caught off the coast of California, scientists have said.
The finding suggests that the fish may have carried the contamination across the Pacific Ocean faster than wind or water has been able to do, and months earlier than wind and water brought debris from the damaged nuclear plant across the ocean to the shores of Alaska and the Pacific Northwest, said Reuters.
Researchers said that, so far, the levels of cesium found in the fish are not high enough to harm humans if consumed, according to data published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
‘Not a large amount at all’
Daniel Madigan of Stanford University’s Hopkins Marine Station did not make a determination about the safety of the fish, though he did say the amounts of radiation detected in the tuna are far less than Japan’s safety limit.
“I wouldn’t tell anyone what’s safe to eat or what’s not safe to eat,” Madigan told Reuters. “It’s become clear that some people feel that any amount of radioactivity, in their minds, is bad and they’d like to avoid it. But compared to what’s there naturally [...] and what’s established as safety limits, it’s not a large amount at all.”
Madigan said researchers found higher levels of two radioactive isotopes of the cesium element, 137—which was present in the eastern Pacific before the disaster at Fukushima Daiichi—and 134, which is caused only by man-made activities and wasn’t present before the tsunami smashed into the plant.
Since cesium 134 only exists through human activity, such as nuclear power plants and the manufacture of nuclear weapons, Madigan’s team figured the 134 they were measuring had to have come from Fukushima.
“There was about five times the background amount of cesium 137 in the bluefin tuna they tested, but that is still a tiny quantity, Madigan said: 5 becquerels instead of 1 becquerel (It takes 37 billion becquerels to equal 1 curie; for context, a pound of uranium-238 has 0.00015 curies of radioactivity, so one becquerel would be a truly miniscule proportion),” Reuters reported.
Not much contamination, but how much is too much?
Bluefin tuna only spawn in the western Pacific, off the coasts of the Philippines and Japan. The researchers believe that the elevated radioactive isotopes came from Fukushima because of the way the tuna migrate across the Pacific Ocean. As young fish, some of them tend to migrate off the coast of California, and then remain there as they grow.
Judging by the size of the tuna examined (about 15 pounds), researchers believe the fish left the waters off Japan about a month after the accident.
Most of the radiation from the damaged plant was released only for a few days in April 2011. Unlike some other compounds, radioactive cesium doesn’t sink quickly but instead remains spread out from the ocean’s surface to the seafloor. That means fish can swim through it and ingest it through their gills, researchers said, or by either taking in contaminated sea water or contaminated organisms.
Madigan said bluefin tuna off Japan’s coast soon after the accident probably had much higher levels of cesium 134 present in their bodies, perhaps as much as 40-50 percent more than normal.
Still, the fact that any radioactive contamination has showed up off the nation’s coastline at all should be cause of concern because, as Madigan himself noted, it’s hard to say what levels of contamination in our food are ultimately dangerous enough to cause harm.

[mavs>spurs]

You aren't personally doing anything to avoid radiation, so no one else need care either.

I sure as hell am. Look up which foods help to protect against cancer. I bought a juicer and am drinking 2 16 ounce glasses of vegetables a day, as well as drinking plenty of green tea which is also proven to fight against cancer. The juicing gets expensive.

[Wild Cobra]

It's in the food too..don't worry I will post more resources tomorrow where doctors and experts are saying just how disastrous this is and that there is a concerted cover up effort among governments.

http://ecowatch.org/2012/fukushima-radiation-now-detected-in-the-u-s-food-supply/
Do you remember the story, titled something like, "The Boy who cried Wolf?"

[ChumpDumper]

I sure as hell am. Look up which foods help to protect against cancer. I bought a juicer and am drinking 2 16 ounce glasses of vegetables a day, as well as drinking plenty of green tea which is also proven to fight against cancer. The juicing gets expensive.But the radiation is in all that food and drink too.

You're just taking in more radiation.

[mavs>spurs]

But the radiation is in all that food and drink too.

You're just taking in more radiation.

I don't buy anything from japan/west coast.

I do what I can.

[Wild Cobra]

I sure as hell am. Look up which foods help to protect against cancer. I bought a juicer and am drinking 2 16 ounce glasses of vegetables a day, as well as drinking plenty of green tea which is also proven to fight against cancer. The juicing gets expensive.
Is the Green Tea from Japan?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't buy anything from japan/west coast.

I do what I can.Your article said the radiation killed people all over the US with no regard to location.

You can't do anything if you believe what you posted.

[mavs>spurs]

Your article said the radiation killed people all over the US with no regard to location.

You can't do anything if you believe what you posted.

Nonsense, that's not how it works. It isn't totally random, infants are hit the hardest as well as people with compromised immune systems. Then comes unhealthy people with poor diets or those genetically predisposed. What his fallout is doing is upping your odds of getting something. There are a lot of measures that can be taken to minimize risks and Alot of it is dietary. I'd recommend a holistic/raw diet heavy in green leafy vegetables. Be aware of where your food is coming from, avoid areas hit the hardest.

[mavs>spurs]

Is the Green Tea from Japan?

South America I believe

[ChumpDumper]

NonsenseI believe the study you posted was nonsense too.

Glad you agree.

[mavs>spurs]

Are you a doctor? Total blasphemy to dismiss what I said as nonsense. There is a lot of truth to the power of a raw food diet as well as anti cancer properties of many vegetables. Cancer is largely preventable, but it's becoming increasingly more rampant due to unnatural environmental factors.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you a doctor? Total blasphemy to diiss what I said as nonsense. There is a lot of truth to the power of a raw food diet as well as anti cancer properties of many vegetables. Cancer is largely preventable, but it's becoming increasingly more rampant due to unnatural environmental factors.I was talking about the study you posted about US deaths.

According to your own words, you think it's nonsense.

[mavs>spurs]

I do believe it is causing higher cancer rates here in the US and will continue moreso in the near future. Not sure why you thought I disagreed.

[ChumpDumper]

I do believe it is causing higher cancer rates here in the US and will continue moreso in the near future. Not sure why you thought I disagreed.You disagreed with the words you posted.

There was not one statistic about cancer rates in that journal article. You didn't even read it.

[boutons_deux]

Is Japanese Dock A Noah's Ark Or A Trojan Horse?

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2012/06/08/ap120606044200_wide.jpg?t=1339180643&s=4

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/08/154588738/is-japanese-dock-a-noahs-ark-or-a-trojan-horse?sc=17&f=1007

[boutons_deux]

US braces for tsunami debris, but impact unclear


More than a year after a tsunami devastated Japan, killing thousands of people and washing millions of tons of debris into the Pacific Ocean, the U.S. government and West Coast states don't have a cohesive plan for cleaning up the rubble that floats to American shores.

There is also no firm handle yet on just what to expect.

The Japanese government estimates that 1.5 million tons of debris is floating in the ocean from the catastrophe. Some experts in the United States think the bulk of that trash will never reach shore, while others fear a massive, slowly-unfolding environmental disaster.

"I think this is far worse than any oil spill that we've ever faced on the West Coast or any other environmental disaster we've faced on the West Coast" in terms of the debris' weight, type and geographic scope, said Chris Pallister, president of a group dedicated to cleaning marine debris from the Alaska coastline.

David Kennedy, assistant administrator for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's National Ocean Service, told a U.S. Senate panel last month that in most cases debris removal decisions will fall to individual states. Funding hasn't been determined.

U.S. Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, and other West Coast political leaders, have called that scenario unacceptable, saying tsunami debris poses a pending national emergency. "If this was a one-time event all at once, we'd declare it an emergency and we'd be on the ground like that," he said, during the hearing he led.

One astonishing example of how the unexpected can suddenly appear occurred Wednesday in Oregon when a concrete and metal dock that measured 66 feet long, seven feet tall and 19 feet wide, washed ashore a mile north of Newport. A Japanese consulate official in Portland confirmed that the dock came from the northern Japanese city of Misawa, cut loose in the tsunami of March 11, 2011.

"I think that the dock is a forerunner of all the heavier stuff that's coming later, and amongst that heavier stuff are going to be a lot of drums full of chemicals that we won't be able to identify," Pallister said.

His group, Gulf of Alaska Keeper, works in the same region devastated by the Exxon Valdez oil spill, which dumped 11 million gallons of oil into Prince William Sound in 1989.

http://mobile.sfgate.com/sfchron/db_41685/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=G1SCEb7T&full=true#display

[RandomGuy]

I'm equally amazed at the continued acceptance of the US govts word as gospel whenever their credibility has been shot to shit.

LOL Russian "media" reports.

Seriously?

Whatever fault you might have the the US government, the Russian goverment and state controlled media is even less credible.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2012/mar/11/journalist-safety-vladimir-putin

http://cpj.org/killed/europe/russia/

How much can you rely on Russian media when the Russian goverment has been arguably assassinating journalists?

[RandomGuy]

I do believe it is causing higher cancer rates here in the US and will continue moreso in the near future. Not sure why you thought I disagreed.

You do realize there is a doctor who specializes in radiation effects on humans who posts here on a semi-regular basis, right?

What will you say if he says you are wrong about that?

[TeyshaBlue]

He's a govt. shill.

[TeyshaBlue]

surrounded by a faint, blue glow.

[mavs>spurs]

tikrIVNS-jk

[Agloco]

I do believe it is causing higher cancer rates here in the US and will continue moreso in the near future.

Why do you believe that? Was there something in literature that suggested that this is the case?


Cancer is largely preventable, but it's becoming increasingly more rampant due to unnatural environmental factors.

Besides the supposed contribution from Fukushima can you name some other sources that contribute significantly to cancer prevalence? It would also help if you elaborated on what types of cancer you are referring to.

Ugh....."preventable". One of the most misused terms as it applies to medical maladies.

Cancer isn't preventable. STD's are preventable. You may reduce your lifetime risk of developing cancer, but there is no known way to reduce said risk to zero (ie prevent it). If you have a method for prevention, I'd be very interested in hearing about it.


You do realize there is a doctor who specializes in radiation effects on humans who posts here on a semi-regular basis, right?

What will you say if he says you are wrong about that?


He's a govt. shill.


surrounded by a faint, blue glow.

:lol


Are you a doctor?

http://images.wikia.com/phineasandferb/images/e/eb/Heinz_Doofenshmirtz.png

[Agloco]

tikrIVNS-jk

:sleep

[Agloco]

nobody else seems to understand the seriousness behind it...

This implies that you alone have knowledge of the situation. Do share.


........this is the thread for any and all Fukushima related talk.

Apparently not.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199780

[mavs>spurs]

You're a doctor and you're telling me that the shit is safe? Just to clarify

[ChumpDumper]

You're a doctor and you're telling me that the shit is safe? Just to clarifyYou might want to clarify what you mean by "the shit."

[Agloco]

You're a doctor and you're telling me that the shit is safe?

No. Where did I state that?

[mavs>spurs]

so is fukushima a threat to all those living in the northern hemisphere or not?

first, are you a nuclear physics expert, or a doctor who understands the implications radiation has on the human body? there is a difference

[Borat Sagyidev]

Why do you believe that? Was there something in literature that suggested that this is the case?

Besides the supposed contribution from Fukushima can you name some other sources that contribute significantly to cancer prevalence? It would also help if you elaborated on what types of cancer you are referring to.

Ugh....."preventable". One of the most misused terms as it applies to medical maladies.

Cancer isn't preventable. STD's are preventable. You may reduce your lifetime risk of developing cancer, but there is no known way to reduce said risk to zero (ie prevent it). If you have a method for prevention, I'd be very interested in hearing about it.
:lol



Ah, the prodigal son returns.


I wouldn't say cancer isn't preventable per say, but what I get what you;re saying. Some cancers are very preventable, like mesothelioma. Avoid Asbestos, and it's pretty much prevented.


That said, Petrochechemical and coal plants release more radiation than the average nuclear plant. The perspectives being discussed here are all wrong. Radiation has been around on this planet since it was created, 5000 years for some people, Billions for others.

Man made things, especially petrochemicals haven't been around for that long. Toulene for example, is a carcinogen and is found in consumer products everywhere.

But some of the morons here are more concerned about some leaking radiation from the other side of the world.

[Borat Sagyidev]

so is fukushima a threat to all those living in the northern hemisphere or not?

first, are you a nuclear physics expert, or a doctor who understands the implications radiation has on the human body? there is a difference

A doctor/physician wouldn't know it that well either. Most doctors/physicians are oncologists and intend to cause harm at high levels of radiation.

You're looking for the term radiation biologist. Eric Hall is a notable one. You might want to read his work. It's a crap-load more worthwhile than the accounting methods you're studying

[mavs>spurs]

^can't talk about anything without your look at me i'm a scientist herp derp superiority complex

not everyone is a radiation biologist or wants to be one, buddy. i want to be a geologist.

[mavs>spurs]

but out of curiosity, what does Eric Hall say about Fukushima?

See the problem I'm having is, I don't trust anything the government says (you'd be stupid to) and a lot of others are coming out saying this is disastrous. It's hard to really know who's right without being an expert, but intuition and common sense tell me that those screaming disaster are a lot closer to right than the govt trolls who say everything is just fine.

[Agloco]

I wouldn't say cancer isn't preventable per say, but what I get what you;re saying. Some cancers are very preventable, like mesothelioma. Avoid Asbestos, and it's pretty much prevented.



Aye, hence my request that he elaborate on what type of cancer(s) he was referring to.




That said, Petrochechemical and coal plants release more radiation than the average nuclear plant. The perspectives being discussed here are all wrong. Radiation has been around on this planet since it was created, 5000 years for some people, Billions for others.

Man made things, especially petrochemicals haven't been around for that long. Toulene for example, is a carcinogen and is found in consumer products everywhere.

But some of the morons here are more concerned about some leaking radiation from the other side of the world.

Good insight. I don't think people realize how much of a contribution to radiation burden traditional coal plants make.

Release from an event like Fukushima is certainly concerning and shouldn't be viewed with a cavalier attitude. Its also quite annoying, though, when folks begin to claim that the sky is falling without having an adequate understanding of the physical principles underlying the events. I'm not referring to the OP here per-se, but all of the "experts" on the you-tube links.



But some of the morons here are more concerned about some leaking radiation from the other side of the world.

Makes for better drama tbh.


Ah, the prodigal son returns.

You must have me confused with the man in your mirror.

[Agloco]

so is fukushima a threat to all those living in the northern hemisphere or not?

Having been there, I'd say no. You are obviously of a differnt persuasion though. I'm simply trying to find out why. I'm not looking to attack you regarding your opinion.


first, are you a nuclear physics expert, or a doctor who understands the implications radiation has on the human body? there is a difference

Both. You can ask Borat about these things as well. As he stated, you're looking for a radiation biologist, radiation oncologist, or health/medical physicist.

[Agloco]

but out of curiosity, what does Eric Hall say about Fukushima?

See the problem I'm having is, I don't trust anything the government says (you'd be stupid to) and a lot of others are coming out saying this is disastrous. It's hard to really know who's right without being an expert, but intuition and common sense tell me that those screaming disaster are a lot closer to right than the govt trolls who say everything is just fine.

The problem with radiation and it's effects is that a lot of what is observed and known is counterintuitive, and necessarilty requires a bit more knowledge than is gleaned from a few internet articles. It's not about "I'm a scientist and you're not", etc etc. It's about having the requisite knowledge to make heads of tails of all of the numbers and jargon being thrown around. Until you understand that, no amount of common sense will help you. Yo must enable your common sense by giving it the proper perspective.

As Borat suggested, Hall and Giaccia (6th ed) is an excellent text on Rad Bio, and is pretty much the bible for radiobiologic modelling for medical physicists and Rad Oncs in the clinincal setting. Invest some time in reading it.

Regarding Eric Hall, I'm not sure if he's taken an official position on the matter. I haven't corresponded with his group since the crisis began.

[mavs>spurs]

and you don't think we are at risk? whats the difference between normal background radiation, and radiation from those particles released by the accident? what happens when you inhale or ingest a radioactive particle? it pretty much just chills inside you and causes cancer correct?

[Agloco]

i want to be a geologist.

Geo-physicist tbh. That's where the money is. :tu

[mavs>spurs]

Geo-physicist tbh. That's where the money is. :tu

as far as that goes, i'll be 18k in debt after my finance degree is complete (in a month) and i already know i don't want to work in that sector forever. i've always been into geology since i was a kid and should have studied it in the first place, but we all make mistakes and you don't know at 18 what you do at 23.

my question to you is, with money being a factor i've found that i can take some of the intro physics, chem, geo classes at the local community college. you think it's worth doing it this way for money, or would the community college material/professors not be sufficient preparation in your opinion?

[Edward]

Spurstalk has a resident geo-physicist tbh

[Agloco]

and you don't think we are at risk?

Provided that the situation doesn't deteriorate, no.


whats the difference between normal background radiation, and radiation from those particles released by the accident?

Assuming comparable dose rates from those sources, nothing from a biologic standpoint. Of course, higher dose rates and annual cumulated doses are generally assumed to increase one's lifetime risk for various cancers. There are notable exceptions to this general rule though. You might want to read about the population of Ramsar in Iran. These people are an example of how our bodies may adapt to long term exposure to significantly higher levels of radiation.


what happens when you inhale or ingest a radioactive particle? it pretty much just chills inside you and causes cancer correct?

In the case of inhalation, it is either exhaled or is trapped in the mucosal membranes of the respiratory tract in which case it delivers radiation to the area in question. In the case of ingestion, it is either metabolized and eliminated or remains in the lumen of the intestine, in which case you have the same scenario as for the respiratory tract.

Fortunately, cancer induction is a multistep process involving a variety of cell signalling pathways. Simply damaging the DNA of one cell, or many hundreds of cells is insufficient to induce cancer unless some other deficiency in cancer suppression pathways exist. It is also possible to flood the body with radiation to the point where repair processes are overwhelmed and cancer induction becomes inevitable.

Your concerns appear to revolve around the latter scenario. Again, this is highly unlikely as it would take another calamatous event such as the one which caused the leak in the first place. You're much more likely to die of heart failure, coronary artery disease or DM than you are to die of any cancer induction as a result of radiation released from Fukushima.

[Agloco]

as far as that goes, i'll be 18k in debt after my finance degree is complete (in a month) and i already know i don't want to work in that sector forever. i've always been into geology since i was a kid and should have studied it in the first place, but we all make mistakes and you don't know at 18 what you do at 23.

my question to you is, with money being a factor i've found that i can take some of the intro physics, chem, geo classes at the local community college. you think it's worth doing it this way for money, or would the community college material/professors not be sufficient preparation in your opinion?

Your education is what you make of it tbh. You'll encounter some of the worst teachers ever in college, and most will have PhD stamped behind their names. Being a researcher doesn't confer the ability to teach. Being a researcher at a top university doesnt change that either. They are completely different animals.

But I'm digressing. Go to community college, and kill your classes. You have to carefully consider what your eventual economic potential will be. You could also major in geology and minor in physics for undergrad, then go to a graduate geo-physics program.

As Edward points out, I believe Halberto is a better person to talk to about this.

[mavs>spurs]

i was looking at my schools geology program and they required several physics classes, not sure if it's anywhere near enough to be a minor. working and taking on such a load is going to be hard as shit, without taking the extra classes for a minor i'm already old :cry

[mavs>spurs]

Provided that the situation doesn't deteriorate, no.



Assuming comparable dose rates from those sources, nothing from a biologic standpoint. Of course, higher dose rates and annual cumulated doses are generally assumed to increase one's lifetime risk for various cancers. There are notable exceptions to this general rule though. You might want to read about the population of Ramsar in Iran. These people are an example of how our bodies may adapt to long term exposure to significantly higher levels of radiation.



In the case of inhalation, it is either exhaled or is trapped in the mucosal membranes of the respiratory tract in which case it delivers radiation to the area in question. In the case of ingestion, it is either metabolized and eliminated or remains in the lumen of the intestine, in which case you have the same scenario as for the respiratory tract.

Fortunately, cancer induction is a multistep process involving a variety of cell signalling pathways. Simply damaging the DNA of one cell, or many hundreds of cells is insufficient to induce cancer unless some other deficiency in cancer suppression pathways exist. It is also possible to flood the body with radiation to the point where repair processes are overwhelmed and cancer induction becomes inevitable.

Your concerns appear to revolve around the latter scenario. Again, this is highly unlikely as it would take another calamatous event such as the one which caused the leak in the first place. You're much more likely to die of heart failure, coronary artery disease or DM than you are to die of any cancer induction as a result of radiation released from Fukushima.

so what about the reports saying that there has been more radiation released from fukushima than in all prior events/bomb testing/nuclear waste combined? any truth to that? also, isn't this stuff piling up on us if we just create more and more of it, with the half life on most isotopes being many years? what's the breaking point in regards to that?

also, how do you feel about the practice of just storing the spent fuel on top of the reactors, and the danger posted by an earthquake/natural event damaging more of these sites?

i dunno, nuclear power has me spooked. and the EPA raised the "safe limits" on so many different radioactive elements after fukushima, i'm just skeptical and a bit worried.

[Agloco]

i was looking at my schools geology program and they required several physics classes, not sure if it's anywhere near enough to be a minor. working and taking on such a load is going to be hard as shit, without taking the extra classes for a minor i'm already old :cry

Most minors are 9 hours beyond your core classes. You might want to check with your college for specifics.

[mavs>spurs]

i do know that a minor in geology is 18 hours i believe, so i dont see why physics would be any different

[Agloco]

so what about the reports saying that there has been more radiation released from fukushima than in all prior events/bomb testing/nuclear waste combined? any truth to that?

That may well be true. One thing to consider is where most of that went or is going: into the ocean (as opposed to Chernobyl where most of it was airborne). There it will be diluted and sink to the bottom. Of course, there is the concern of it getting into the food supply (fish, etc). How many deadly radioactive fish will survive and make it to the West Coast. How many will make it past radiation detection stations before processing? I'm not sure its a significant amount, but I'm no expert on those matters.


also, isn't this stuff piling up on us if we just create more and more of it, with the half life on most isotopes being many years? what's the breaking point in regards to that?

Storing and disposal of spent fuel is definitely a big problem area for the nuclear industry. One of the proposed solutions is building more reactors that use the "spent fuel" as a new fuel source. The resultant waste is composed of much shorter lived radioisotopes with less energetic emissions.

As for a breaking point, we have adequate space to store these things. The rate of production is not anticipated to increase drastically in the future. Eventually, we will reach an equilibrium point where production and decay and more or less equal. That will occur long before space becomes an issue.




also, how do you feel about the practice of just storing the spent fuel on top of the reactors, and the danger posted by an earthquake/natural event damaging more of these sites?

In light of recent events, it definitely needs re-assessment. This is especially true in areas that are earthquake/tsunami prone. I just attended a meeting in Japan that was partly aimed at addressing this very issue. What we learned is that while we can anticipate the effects of an earthquake on structures critical to shielding, we cannot adequately anticipate after effects. Perhaps the biggest contributor to this mess was the location of the electrical systems at the plants. Are we having this discussion if power doesn't fail at the plants? Doubtful.

So this is more a question of how power is handled, distributed and rerouted during a crisis more than anything. Should spent fuel pool power stations be coupled to the main reactor chamber?


i dunno, nuclear power has me spooked. and the EPA raised the "safe limits" on so many different radioactive elements after fukushima, i'm just skeptical and a bit worried.

It's natural. I'm quite worried about the situation myself. I do know that the sky is not falling though. Also remember, safe limits are arbitrary but are based on evidence collected to date. Thus they are constantly being revised. The fact that they are being raised during a crisis of this nature should cause some concern, especially if one is not privy to the context under which those changes are occurring.

[Agloco]

i do know that a minor in geology is 18 hours i believe, so i dont see why physics would be any different

If you already require some physics classes for your Geo major, doesn't that reduce the burden?

[leemajors]

Why do you believe that? Was there something in literature that suggested that this is the case?



Besides the supposed contribution from Fukushima can you name some other sources that contribute significantly to cancer prevalence? It would also help if you elaborated on what types of cancer you are referring to.

Ugh....."preventable". One of the most misused terms as it applies to medical maladies.

Cancer isn't preventable. STD's are preventable. You may reduce your lifetime risk of developing cancer, but there is no known way to reduce said risk to zero (ie prevent it). If you have a method for prevention, I'd be very interested in hearing about it.







:lol



http://images.wikia.com/phineasandferb/images/e/eb/Heinz_Doofenshmirtz.png


:tu Doofenshmirtz is awesome, and Phineas and Ferb is way better than anything I saw as a kid in the 80s, there is hope.

[MannyIsGod]

i was looking at my schools geology program and they required several physics classes, not sure if it's anywhere near enough to be a minor. working and taking on such a load is going to be hard as shit, without taking the extra classes for a minor i'm already old :cry

You're likely not going to be able to get a physics minor without some very high level math courses beyond what almost every other program at any school requires (including geology), FYI.

[mavs>spurs]

geology only requires cal 1 and 2 i think, nothin too hard.

[MannyIsGod]

If you already require some physics classes for your Geo major, doesn't that reduce the burden?

Depends on the school. Jekka was able to get a degree in two similar fields of study because of course overlap but I was unable to add a geography degree even with the overlap I had. I think its a ridiculous policy as I'm learning the same material regardless but it is what it is.

[MannyIsGod]

geology only requires cal 1 and 2 i think, nothin too hard.

Yeah - thats what I'm saying. Physics will require you to do at least 2-3 more semsters of calc/diffeq/linear (even a minor) on top of the physics classes required. Honestly, even the 100 level physics classes I took had pre and corecs of calc 1 and 2 and would have been MUCH easier with calc 3.

[mavs>spurs]

Yeah - thats what I'm saying. Physics will require you to do at least 2-3 more semsters of calc/diffeq/linear (even a minor).

geophysics may be a bit much, i'm not trying to be the worlds next einstein i just enjoy geology and want to do something i enjoy for a living tbh. geologists (without the physics part) still earn really really really good pay in oil and gas exploration.

[Agloco]

You're likely not going to be able to get a physics minor without some very high level math courses beyond what almost every other program at any school requires (including geology), FYI.


geology only requires cal 1 and 2 i think, nothin too hard.

I recall that E&M and Classical Mechanics required Cal 3, but you don't get much out of CM if you haven't had differential equations.

You might qualify for a minor in math as well. :lol

[Agloco]

geophysics may be a bit much, i'm not trying to be the worlds next einstein i just enjoy geology and want to do something i enjoy for a living tbh. geologists (without the physics part) still earn really really really good pay in oil and gas exploration.

Halberto might know more than we do here. My knowledge is limited to two colleagues who are in geophysics. They are in oil exploration as well.

[MannyIsGod]

I recall that E&M and Classical Mechanics required Cal 3, but you don't get much out of CM if you haven't had differential equations.

You might qualify for a minor in math as well. :lol

All the engineering and physics students at UNM automatically get math minors. Its nuts. Mechanics required Calc 1 as a coreq (just retarded) and EM/Thermo had Calc2 as a coreq. Those classes would have been much easier for me with Calc 3 under my belt before them. However, taking CM before Calc 3 meant I already knew EVERYTHING about vectors.

[MannyIsGod]

Oil and gas is def where the money is at. The current research project I'm working on is funded by a grant from an oil and gas company (LOL I find the irony of this so awesome).

[Agloco]

All the engineering and physics students at UNM automatically get math minors. Its nuts. Mechanics required Calc 1 as a coreq (just retarded) and EM/Thermo had Calc2 as a coreq. Those classes would have been much easier for me with Calc 3 under my belt before them. However, taking CM before Calc 3 meant I already knew EVERYTHING about vectors.

Yeah, it's the same most everywhere. There's so much math required for those disciplines. I don't think I've met a physics major without a minor in math, except for those going into biophysics.

Integrals are quite necessary for EM, so Cal 2 makes sense.

CM is doable without DIff Eq, but I don't think it's quite as valuable as is needed for physics majors. I think now there's even a special vector calculus class. Back in the day I learned integrals, vectors and tensors in one semester.

[baseline bum]

Yeah - thats what I'm saying. Physics will require you to do at least 2-3 more semsters of calc/diffeq/linear (even a minor) on top of the physics classes required. Honestly, even the 100 level physics classes I took had pre and corecs of calc 1 and 2 and would have been MUCH easier with calc 3.

A lot of the math will be handled in physics classes, I would think. I'm sure you need single and multivariable calc + ODE, but isn't the linear taken care of in quantum mechanics and probability in statistical mechanics?

[Borat Sagyidev]

All the engineering and physics students at UNM automatically get math minors. Its nuts. Mechanics required Calc 1 as a coreq (just retarded) and EM/Thermo had Calc2 as a coreq. Those classes would have been much easier for me with Calc 3 under my belt before them. However, taking CM before Calc 3 meant I already knew EVERYTHING about vectors.

Small point here but big implications

Cal 1, 2, and 3 at smaller universities and CC in TX don't have the full range subject matter included at TAMU, UT, TTU or Rice. A lot of vector cal is included in cal 2 and diffEQ in Cal 3 at these schools.

It shown up when transferring courses. I've heard a lot of whines about this over the years.

[baseline bum]

A lot of the math will be handled in physics classes, I would think. I'm sure you need single and multivariable calc + ODE, but isn't the linear taken care of in quantum mechanics and probability in statistical mechanics?

Oops, forgot that linear is almost always done as two classes: one where you do lots of 2x2 and 3x3 matrices, gaussian elimination, eigenvectors, determinants and then the second when you study finite-dimensional vector spaces, linear maps, direct sums, dual spaces, bilinear forms, etc. The second is the stuff it seems you'd learn in QM, but I guess that's a huge jump if you don't have some experience with the machinery of matrices from the first linear class.

[mavs>spurs]

matrices?! the fuck, that's easy stuff. you lost me on everything else you just said though :lol

[Agloco]

matrices?! the fuck, that's easy stuff. you lost me on everything else you just said though :lol

BB just being a nerd tbh. Pay him no mind. :lol

[TeyshaBlue]

My head hurts. Thx

[mouse]

With all the overly educated horn tooters in this topic you think we would have a cure for autism by now.

[baseline bum]

With all the overly educated horn tooters in this topic you think we would have a cure for autism by now.

God forbid people talk about physics and all the math one would have to study when someone asks about studying physics. The threads can't all be about WTC 7 tbh.

[Edward]

maybe we could discuss the physics of WTC 7 collapsing

[mouse]

God forbid

Try to leave your religious beliefs out of this topic.


My point is whats the use of tooting your horn how educated you are and what classes your taking if you haven't done shit with all that knowledge?

You think Manny is going to weatherman collage to help figure out a way to bring rain to people in the desert?


You think Agloco is using his huge educated massive brain to cure Cancer?

What has Manny,Agloco,or any other horn tooter in this topic said to help anyone from being contaminated or warned us from the dangers ahead?


Go look at the first topics made when this disaster took place look how Agloco and many others said the radiation will not travel to the US and how safe we are and stop over reacting.

It's a wonder how the guy can still fit in his car with all the crow he has had to eat.

[clambake]

i tooted my horn the other day and prevented a guy from swerving into oncoming traffic.......saving many lives.

[mouse]

i tooted my horn the other day and prevented a guy from swerving into oncoming traffic.......saving many lives.

That is a prime example of not wasting driving school classes.

[clambake]

That is a prime example of not wasting driving school classes.

yes, i ranked 1st in horn tooting. some thought it was a god given talent but i recall it being the effort i placed on crafting my driving education.

[Edward]

Try to leave your religious beliefs out of this topic.


My point is whats the use of tooting your horn how educated you are and what classes your taking if you haven't done shit with all that knowledge?

You think Manny is going to weatherman collage to help figure out a way to bring rain to people in the desert?


You think Agloco is using his huge educated massive brain to cure Cancer?

What has Manny,Agloco,or any other horn tooter in this topic said to help anyone from being contaminated or warned us from the dangers ahead?


Go look at the first topics made when this disaster took place look how Agloco and many others said the radiation will not travel to the US and how safe we are and stop over reacting.

It's a wonder how the guy can still fit in his car with all the crow he has had to eat.
You act like Japanese radiation possibly spreading to the US has caused a nationwide scare with millions worried about the food they eat when it's basically the Alex Jones tinfoil hat crew as the only group who's worried :lol

[mavs>spurs]

^well to be honest it has shown up in food, water, and milk across the nation

it all just depends on whether or not you believe that it's still in "safe" levels

[Edward]

If Alex Jones told you that it was at safe levels you'd believe it was.

[mavs>spurs]

lets not sit there and pretend like you know what levels are safe or not. the point is, we truly don't know and i don't trust the government to tell me.

[Edward]

lets not sit there and pretend like you know what levels are safe or not. the point is, we truly don't know and i don't trust the government to tell me.
I trust the government more than I trust Alex Jones

[mavs>spurs]

i trust them both about equally personally

[johnsmith]

Try to leave your religious beliefs out of this topic.


My point is whats the use of tooting your horn how educated you are and what classes your taking if you haven't done shit with all that knowledge?

You think Manny is going to weatherman collage to help figure out a way to bring rain to people in the desert?


You think Agloco is using his huge educated massive brain to cure Cancer?

What has Manny,Agloco,or any other horn tooter in this topic said to help anyone from being contaminated or warned us from the dangers ahead?


Go look at the first topics made when this disaster took place look how Agloco and many others said the radiation will not travel to the US and how safe we are and stop over reacting.

It's a wonder how the guy can still fit in his car with all the crow he has had to eat.

Well, to be fair Mouse, not everyone can fail at everything they've attempted and end up being a bag inspector at the airport.

[Edward]

So you don't trust Alex Jones very much the amirite?

[Edward]

Well, to be fair Mouse, not everyone can fail at everything they've attempted and end up being a bag inspector at the airport.
I think mouse failed as a bag inspector as well.

[TeyshaBlue]

Well, to be fair Mouse, not everyone can fail at everything they've attempted and end up being a bag inspector at the airport.

omfg :lmao

[johnsmith]

Sounds about right.

[Borat Sagyidev]

lets not sit there and pretend like you know what levels are safe or not. the point is, we truly don't know and i don't trust the government to tell me.

The levels we're seeing are safe. If you're that worried about it, you might as well build an undeground bunker, filter the air of radon and restrict your diet with elements lacking natural radioactivity.

Then you'd be really safe.

[Borat Sagyidev]

PCB's and mercury found in seafood are bigger issues than small increases in radioactivity

[mouse]

The levels we're seeing are safe. you'd be really safe.

It's this type of ignorance that allow Agloco's cronies to flourish in this forum.

[Agloco]

I've always been partial to Bananas Foster tbh.

[mouse]

I've always been partial to Bananas Foster tbh.

You find it appealing?

Is anyone going to quote the first Fukushima topics so we can see who had it right?

[Wild Cobra]

It's this type of ignorance that allow Agloco's cronies to flourish in this forum.
You know, I disagree with most things that Agloco has spoken of here, except in this area.

So tell us.

What are acceptable levels?

Where will you go to stay withing acceptable levels?

[boutons_deux]

A Radioactive Conflict of Interest with Tragic Dimensions

Having the Energy Department control radiation health research makes as much sense as giving tobacco companies the authority to see if smoking is bad for you.

"current U.S. regulations require that residents of any area that reaches radiation levels eight times higher than background should be evacuated. However, the financial and emotional cost of such relocation may not be worthwhile, the researchers say."

It's quite a leap to claim that evacuation zones around nuclear power plants might not be needed based on the chromosomes of 112 irradiated mice. In a devastating critique, blogger, Ian Goddard points out that the MIT study excluded extensive evidence of genetic damage to humans living in a radiation-contaminated environment. Although doses in a peer-reviewed study of 19 groups of children living near Chernobyl were consistently lower than the MIT mouse study, most showed lasting genetic damage from radiation. "MIT's presentation of its study as the first scientific ever examination of the genetic risks of living in a nuclear disaster zone is pure science fiction, not fact,"

http://www.ips-dc.org/blog/a_radioactive_conflict_of_interest_with_tragic_dim ensions

[mouse]

You know, I disagree with most things that Agloco has spoken of here, except in this area.

So tell us.

What are acceptable levels?

Where will you go to stay withing acceptable levels?

Allow me... if you will, to explain this in terms you, and others may understand.

How much of a mans cock would you say is ok to be in your mouth before you to be consider it to be too Gay?

[cheguevara]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/fukushima-radiation-at-record-high/story-fn6s850w-1226410635366

TEPCO, the operator of Japan's crippled nuclear plant, took samples from the basement of reactor number 1 after lowering a camera and surveying instruments through a drain hole in the basement ceiling.

Radiation levels above radioactive water in the basement reached up to 10,300 millisievert an hour, a dose that would kill humans within a short time after making them sick within minutes.

The annual allowed dose for workers at the stricken site would be reached in only 20 seconds.

"Workers cannot enter the site and we must use robots for the demolition," said TEPCO.

The Fukushima operator said that radiation levels were 10 times higher than those recorded at the plant's two other crippled reactors, number two and three.

This was due to the poor state of the nuclear fuel in the reactor compared to that in the two others.

The meltdown at the core of three of Fukushima's six reactors occurred after the March 11, 2011 earthquake and ensuing massive tsunami shut off the power supply and cooling system.

Demolition of the three reactors as well as the plant's number 4 unit is expected to take 40 years and will need the use of new technologies.

:rollin "it ain't but a small nuclear accident"

[Agloco]

A Radioactive Conflict of Interest with Tragic Dimensions

Having the Energy Department control radiation health research makes as much sense as giving tobacco companies the authority to see if smoking is bad for you.

"current U.S. regulations require that residents of any area that reaches radiation levels eight times higher than background should be evacuated. However, the financial and emotional cost of such relocation may not be worthwhile, the researchers say."

It's quite a leap to claim that evacuation zones around nuclear power plants might not be needed based on the chromosomes of 112 irradiated mice. In a devastating critique, blogger, Ian Goddard points out that the MIT study excluded extensive evidence of genetic damage to humans living in a radiation-contaminated environment. Although doses in a peer-reviewed study of 19 groups of children living near Chernobyl were consistently lower than the MIT mouse study, most showed lasting genetic damage from radiation. "MIT's presentation of its study as the first scientific ever examination of the genetic risks of living in a nuclear disaster zone is pure science fiction, not fact,"

http://www.ips-dc.org/blog/a_radioactive_conflict_of_interest_with_tragic_dim ensions

It's my experience that the energy department is not the sole proprietor of radiobiologic research. I fail to see how it's in control anything as far as radiation research is concerned.

I'll also point out that while translating the results of a study such as the one carried out by MIT should be done with caution, we must also examine the circumstances and conditions under which each data set was obtained. This was, perhaps, the very reason why the MIT study omitted human data.

That said I would not (and have not to this day) make/made recommendations to government panels regarding human radiation exposures based solely on data obtained through animal studies.

[Agloco]

:rollin "it ain't but a small nuclear accident"

Who said that? Except you of course.

[mouse]

Where is the Science to save us?

[cheguevara]

Who said that? Except you of course.

plenty of ppl in the original threads here to start with.

[Agloco]

plenty of ppl in the original threads here to start with.

Any credible scientific sources?

Perhaps the available evidence pointed to a more limited situation at the time the remarks were made?

[Agloco]

Where is the Science to save us?

Save us from what exactly? You and your legion of trolls? I'm not sure any science exists to remedy that.

[cheguevara]

Any credible scientific sources?

Perhaps the available evidence pointed to a more limited situation at the time the remarks were made?

"available evidence"

this was the first time in history a tsunami causes a nuclear meltdown. :sleep

[Agloco]

"available evidence"

this was the first time in history a tsunami causes a nuclear meltdown. :sleep

Thanks for the newsflash. Did you know this 2 days after the event though?

Even being an expert I can't claim that.

[mouse]

Save us from what


Cancer
Global warming
Autism
radiation exposure

Maybe come up with solar powered vehicles, light bulbs that last 5 years, a way to locate missing children within 24 hours, an alternative to heroin, alcohol,cocaine,.....how about a way to drink fresh water when Frackin is going on 5 miles away?

How about you so called educated people that call yourselves scientist's keep men from going bald?

I forget your to busy trying to locate a roach on one of Jupiter's moons

[Agloco]

Cancer
Global warming
Autism
radiation exposure

Maybe come up with solar powered vehicles, light bulbs that last 5 years, a way to locate missing children within 24 hours, an alternative to heroin, alcohol,cocaine,.....how about a way to drink fresh water when Frackin is going on 5 miles away?

How about you so called educated people that call yourselves scientist's keep men from going bald?

I forget your to busy trying to locate a roach on one of Jupiter's moons

lol, you've no idea what kind of research I'm engaged in despite my having posted about it numerous times.

At any rate:

-cVp_ow2KTA

[mouse]

lol, you've no idea what kind of research I'm engaged in despite my having posted about it numerous times



Sell your elitist textbook bullshit to someone else.
(like your new groupie triggeredexcellence)

humans still suffer everyday you continue to toot your horn.


http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/kosovo/hydroencef.jpg

Put down the golf clubs and cure some shit.

[cheguevara]

Thanks for the newsflash. Did you know this 2 days after the event though?

Even being an expert I can't claim that.

I knew that having Tepco, a FOR PROFIT company being in charge of the disaster response was a complete joke. I knew that the "safe levels" and "affected areas" were mostly bullshit and mainly dictated by the FOR PROFIT company's finances. As bad as they said the disaster was at the time, I knew the reality was that it was probably 10x worse than they claimed it.

so yeah, I knew...

Japan panel: Fukushima nuclear disaster 'man-made'
In the panel's final report, its chairman said a multitude of errors and wilful negligence had left the plant unprepared for the earthquake and tsunami.

"Although triggered by these cataclysmic events, the subsequent accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant cannot be regarded as a natural disaster," it said.

Key Findings:
Collusion and lack of governance by government, regulators and Tepco
Insufficient knowledge and training within Tepco

Lack of preparation on part of government, regulators, Tepco, and prime minister's office to allow adequate response to accident of this scope, including mounting effective evacuation

Laws and regulations based on stopgap measures in response to previous accidents - need comprehensive review

"It was a profoundly man-made disaster - that could and should have been foreseen and prevented."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-18718057

[Agloco]

I knew that having Tepco, a FOR PROFIT company being in charge of the disaster response was a complete joke. I knew that the "safe levels" and "affected areas" were mostly bullshit and mainly dictated by the FOR PROFIT company's finances. As bad as they said the disaster was at the time, I knew the reality was that it was probably 10x worse than they claimed it.

so yeah, I knew...

:lol

One has to wonder why, instead of alerting the masses, you chose to get into a pissing contest about this on an obscure website in a far off corner of the internets.

Either you're of quite low moral fiber or you really didn't "know" anything and were simply speculating like everyone else, myself included.

[Agloco]

Sell your elitist textbook bullshit to someone else.
(like your new groupie triggeredexcellence)

humans still suffer everyday you continue to toot your horn.


http://www.jacksonprogressive.com/issues/kosovo/hydroencef.jpg

Put down the golf clubs and cure some shit.

A hydrocephalic baby from Kosovo? Surely you can do better than that. :lol

As for the elitist textbook bullshit; well, those fund my golfing staycations. Can't do away with those unfortunately. AZ has world class golf, you should come out and join me sometime.

[cheguevara]

:lol

One has to wonder why, instead of alerting the masses, you chose to get into a pissing contest about this on an obscure website in a far off corner of the internets.

Either you're of quite low moral fiber or you really didn't "know" anything and were simply speculating like everyone else, myself included.

el Che knew that the FOR PROFIT Tepco was full of shit.

:lol don't hate the messenger

[Agloco]

el Che knew that the FOR PROFIT Tepco was full of shit.

:lol don't hate the messenger

Um no. You pissed into the wind, and it happened to feel like rain this time around.

[mouse]

A hydrocephalic baby from Kosovo? Surely you can do better than that. :lol




Leave it to you to laugh at deformed child. That is the problem with you wannabee myth busters scientist your all about ratings and new gizmos while the earth steadily decays beneath you.



As for the elitist textbook bullshit; well, those fund my golfing staycations. Can't do away with those unfortunately. AZ has world class golf, you should come out and join me sometime.

I would rather give myself a maple syrup enema and sit on an ant hill.

[boutons_deux]

"AZ has world class golf"

Until the snowmelt fails

[Wild Cobra]

Leave it to you to laugh at deformed child.
Meningitis is a cause of that deformity. How are you certain it was radiation?

[boutons_deux]

Whistleblower: Nuclear Disaster in America Is More Likely Than the Public Is Aware of


the likelihood may be low that an upstream dam will fail, unleashing a flood that will turn any of 34 vulnerable nuclear plants into an American Fukushima (http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/nuclear_power/floods-from-dam-failure-10-19-12.pdf). But knowing that unlikely events sometimes happen nevertheless, the nuclear industry continues to answer the question of how much safety is enough by seeking to suppress (http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/249843-nrc-engineer-accuses-regulators-of-safety-cover-up) or minimize what the public knows about the danger.

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) has known at least since 1996 that flooding danger from upstream dam failure was a more serious threat than the agency would publicly admit. The NRC failed from 1996 until 2011 to assess the threat even internally. In July 2011, the NRC staff completed a report finding “that external flooding due to upstream dam failure poses a larger than expected risk to plants and public safety ” [emphasis added] but the NRC did not make the 41-page report public.

Instead, the agency made much of another report, issued July 12, 2011 – “Recommendations for Enhancing Reactor Safety in the 21 st Century,” sub-titled “The Near-Term Task Force Review of Insights from the Fukushima Dai-Ichi Accident.” Hardly four months since the continuing accident began in Japan, the premature report had little to say about reactor flooding as a result of upstream dam failure, although an NRC news release in March 2012 would try to suggest otherwise.

In a letter (http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/igletter.pdf) dated September 14 and made public the same day, Richard Perkins, an engineer in the NRC’s Division of Risk Analysis, wrote Inspector (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/12/nuclear-regulatory-commission_n_923098.html) General Hubert Bell, describing it as “a violation of law” that the Commission:

has intentionally mischaracterized relevant and noteworthy safety information as sensitive, security information in an effort to conceal the information from the public. This action occurred in anticipation of, in preparation for, and as part of the NRC's response to a Freedom of Information Act request for information concerning the generic issue investigation on Flooding of U.S. Nuclear Power Plants Following Upstream Dam Failure….



Portions of the publically released version of this report are redacted citing security sensitivities, however, the redacted information is of a general descriptive nature or is strictly relevant to the safety of U.S. nuclear power plants, plant personnel, and members of the public. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission staff has engaged in an effort to mischaracterize the information as security sensitive in order to justify withholding it from public release using certain exemptions specified in the Freedom of Information Act. …



The Nuclear Regulatory Commission staff may be motivated to prevent the disclosure of this safety information to the public because it will embarrass the agency. The redacted information includes discussion of, and excerpts from, NRC official agency records that show the NRC has been in possession of relevant, notable, and derogatory safety information for an extended period but failed to properly act on it.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/whistleblower-nuclear-disaster-america-more-likely-public-aware

[mouse]

Cue Agloco with his banana scenario........3........2.....

[boutons_deux]

...

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima Continues


http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/article_imgs10/010073-japan-dai-ichi-plant-satellite-070713.jpg


http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/alphabet/rsn-T.jpghe first thing to know about the danger from the radioactive mass remaining in the three reactors that melted down at Fukushima is that nobody knows how much radioactive material there is, nobody knows how much uranium and plutonium it contains, and nobody knows how to make it safe – so no one knows how great the continuing danger is.


In order to prevent nuclear material from being diverted to use in weapons, the International Atomic Energy Agency of the U.N. requires each country to report regularly on the volume of nuclear materials in its nuclear power plants. At Fukushima, this is currently impossible.

Diversion of this material to weapons use is not a problem at the moment, since the level of radioactivity is high enough to kill anyone who comes close to it, which is why it hasn't been moved. On the other hand, it is necessary to move it in order to measure it, and even if it were movable now, the technology to measure it doAs long as Fukushima Daiichi's owner, the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO), keeps the three melted cores and the fuel rods in three other storage pools sufficiently submerged in cooling water, the radioactive material will not overheat, burn, and spew radioactive debris as far as wind or water might take it.

Watertight fuel pools are used effectively at nuclear power plants around the world, including Fukushima before the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami. Now the reactor structures are no longer watertight and TEPCO has pumped millions of gallons of fresh and "least contaminated" into the structures since then, and continues to do so.

The Japan Times reported that, as of May 7, TEPCO had installed 290 huge storage talks at Fukushima to hold more than 78 million gallons (290,000 tons) of radioactive water, with another 25 million gallons still uncollected. Fukushima is generating an estimated 100,000-plus gallons (400 tons) of radioactive water every day.


TEPCO estimates that groundwater is entering the complex at a rate of at least 54,000 gallons per day. In May 2012, the Japanese government ordered TEPCO to build a wall deep into the ground around the plant to keep groundwater out, a plan that might become operational by early 2015.


TEPCO is expanding its storage capacity to about 1.9 billion gallons by clearing forest and other areas around the compound. While this would probably suffice for another three years, the site is running out of storage space. Additionally, some of the storage tanks have begun to leak and contaminated water is leaking into the soil.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/18292-focus-fukushima-continues

[boutons_deux]

Toll of U.S. Sailors Devastated by Fukushima Radiation Continues to Climb

The roll call of U.S. sailors who say their health was devastated when they were irradiated while delivering humanitarian help (http://ecowatch.com/2013/12/27/ronald-reagan-cancer-sue-tepco-fukushima-radiation/) near the stricken Fukushima (http://ecowatch.com/2013/12/11/japans-new-fukushima-fascism/) nuke is continuing to soar.
So many have come forward that the progress of their federal class action lawsuit has been delayed.

http://www.commondreams.org/sites/commondreams.org/files/imce-images/ussreagan.jpg

Bay area lawyer Charles Bonner says a re-filing will wait until early February to accommodate a constant influx of sailors from the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan and other American ships.

Within a day of Fukushima One’s March 11, 2011, melt-down, American “first responders” were drenched in radioactive fallout. In the midst of a driving snow storm, sailors reported a cloud of warm air with a metallic taste that poured over the Reagan.

Then-Prime Minister Naoto Kan, at the time a nuclear supporter, says “the first meltdown occurred five hours after the earthquake.” The lawsuit charges that Tokyo Electric Power knew large quantities of radiation were pouring into the air and water, but said nothing to the Navy or the public.

Had the Navy known, says Bonner, it could have moved its ships out of harm’s way. But some sailors actually jumped into the ocean just offshore to pull victims to safety. Others worked 18-hour shifts in the open air through a four-day mission, re-fueling and repairing helicopters, loading them with vital supplies and much more. All were drinking and bathing in desalinated water that had been severely contaminated by radioactive fallout and runoff.

Then Reagan crew members were enveloped in a warm cloud. “Hey,” joked sailor Lindsay Cooper (http://ecowatch.com/2013/12/27/ronald-reagan-cancer-sue-tepco-fukushima-radiation/) at the time. “It’s radioactive snow.”

The metallic taste (http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/) that came with it parallels the ones reported by the airmen who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and by Pennsylvania residents downwind from the 1979 meltdown at Three Mile Island.

When it did leave the Fukushima area, the Reagan was so radioactive it was refused port entry in Japan, South Korea and Guam. It’s currently docked in San Diego.

The Navy is not systematically monitoring the crew members’ health (http://enenews.com/navy-times-now-70-men-women-say-theyre-suffering-from-fukushima-radiation-testicle-removal-optic-nerve-removal-leukemias-polyps-were-in-their-early-20s-with-good-health-video) problems. But Cooper now reports a damaged thyroid, disrupted menstrual cycle, wildly fluctuating body weight and more. “It’s ruined me,” she says.

Similar complaints have surfaced among so many sailors from the Reagan and other U.S. ships that Bonner says he’s being contacted by new litigants “on a daily basis,” with the number exceeding 70.

Many are in their twenties, complaining of a terrible host of radiation-related diseases.

They are legally barred from suing the U.S. military. Tepco denies that any of their health problems could be related to radiation from Fukushima. The company also says the U.S. has no jurisdiction in the case.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/01/12

[boutons_deux]

Leaked Emails Expose NRC’s Cover-Up of Safety Concerns Days After Fukushima Disaster

When an earthquake and tsunami struck Fukushima (http://ecowatch.com/?s=Fukushima), Japan leading to a nuclear (http://ecowatch.com/category/news/energy-news/nuclear-energy-energy/) disaster three years ago, U.S. residents wondered if the aging nuclear facilities in their own country were at risk (http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/07/u-s-nuclear-gnoring-fukushima-disaster/). What they didn’t know is that the federal government’s nuclear arm worked actively in the days after the incident, trying to cover up the perils that existed in the states.

According to a report from NBC (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/u-s-nuclear-agency-hid-concerns-hailed-safety-record-fukushima-n48561), a U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) campaign to reassure people about nuclear safety standards coincided with agency experts consistently presenting similar questions behind the scenes. Through a Freedom of Information Act request,NBC acquired a string of March 2011 emails that clearly show the cover-up.

One example of a concerted cover-up came five days after the initial reports that an earthquake and tsunami knocked out the power and cooling systems at the six-reactor Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. MSNBC used NRC estimates to rank the U.S. nuclear plants that were most at risk if an earthquake were to hit nearby land. Burnell and members from the NRC’s lobbying arm, the Nuclear Energy Institute, emailed staff members with instructions to find errors in the article, but none came up. He also told experts likely to appear on TV how to deny certain claims.

More than 30 of the country’s 100 nuclear power reactors have the same brand of General Electric reactors or containment system that used in Fukushima, according to the NBC report. The median reactor age in the U.S. is 34. The oldest is the Ginna plant near Rochester, N.Y., licensed in 1969. Only four of the reactors began generating power in 1990 or later.

http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/10/leaked-emails-nrcs-fukushima/

[boutons_deux]

Miles O’Brien Takes PBS Fishing for Radiation at Fukushima

Whereas once they filled their boats with seafood for human consumption, now these ill-fated sailors must limit their catch to just a few samples to be tested for radiation.

And the tragic excursions do not always bring good news. In particular, bottom-feeding flounder show contamination levels far beyond what are considered safe standards.

In fact, very soon after Fukushima began to blow, President Obama assured the world that radiation coming to the U.S. would be minuscule and harmless. He had no scientific proof that this would be the case. And as O’Brien’s eight-minute piece shows all too clearly, the “see no evil, pay no damages” ethos is at work here.

The government is doing no monitoring of radiation levels in fish, and information on contamination of the ocean is almost entirely generated by underfunded researchers like Buesseler.

http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/09/miles-obrien-pbs-fishing-radiation-fukushima/

[Wild Cobra]

You mean the radiation is still there in the future:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111019190849/memoryalpha/en/images/5/56/Miles_O%27Brien,_2367.jpg

[MultiTroll]

Mr. Burns: "Homer, your bravery and quick thinking have turned a potential Chernobyl into a mere Three-Mile Island. Bravo!"

[boutons_deux]

Documents Say Navy Knew Fukushima Dangerously Contaminated the USS Reagan (http://my.firedoglake.com/solartopia/2014/02/26/navy-knew-fukushima-dangerously-contaminated-the-uss-reagan/)


A stunning new report indicates the U.S. Navy knew that sailors from the nuclear-powered USS Ronald Reagan took major radiation hits (http://www.nukefree.org/rt-study-says-uss-reagan-heavily-dosed-fukshima-fallout) from the Fukushima atomic power plant after its meltdowns and explosions nearly three years ago.

http://my.firedoglake.com/solartopia/files/2014/02/USS-Reagan-Radiation-Mop-U.S.-Navy-Mass-Communication-Specialist-Seaman-Nicholas-A.-Groesch-PD-Flickr.jpgSailors aboard the USS Ronald Reagan wash down the flight deck to remove potential radiation contamination while operating off the coast of Japan providing humanitarian assistance in support of Operation Tomodachi, March 22, 2011.

If true, the revelations cast new light on the $1 billion lawsuit (http://ecowatch.com/2014/02/09/u-s-sailors-fukushima-radiation/) filed by the sailors against Tokyo Electric Power. Many of the sailors are already suffering devastating health impacts (http://ecowatch.com/2014/01/11/sailors-devastated-by-fukushima-radiation/), but are being stonewalled by Tepco and the Navy.

The Reagan had joined several other U.S. ships in Operation Tomodachi (“Friendship”) to aid victims of the March 11, 2011 quake and tsunami. Photographic evidence and first-person testimony confirms that on March 12, 2011 the ship was within two miles of Fukushima Dai’ichi (http://www.nukefree.org/peter-lee-6-billion-uss-reagan-radioactive-nightmare) as the reactors there began to melt and explode.

In the midst of a snow storm, deck hands were enveloped in a warm cloud that came with a metallic taste. Sailors testify that the Reagan’s 5,500-member crew was told over the ship’s intercom to avoid drinking or bathing in desalinized water drawn from a radioactive sea. The huge carrier quickly ceased its humanitarian efforts and sailed 100 miles out to sea, where newly published internal Navy communications confirm it was still taking serious doses of radioactive fallout.

Scores of sailors from the Reagan and other ships stationed nearby now report a wide range of ailments reminiscent of those documented downwind from atomic bomb tests in the Pacific and Nevada, and at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. A similar metallic taste was described by pilots (http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/)who dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, and by central Pennsylvanians downwind of Three Mile Island. Some parts of the atolls downwind from the South Pacific bomb tests (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-alvarez/the-legacy-of-us-nuclear_b_586524.html%20) remain uninhabitable six decades later.

Among the 81 plaintiffs in the federal class action are a sailor who was pregnant during the mission, and her “Baby A.G.,” born that October with multiple genetic mutations.
Officially, Tepco and the Navy say the dose levels were safe.

But a stunning new report by an American scholar based in Tokyo confirms that Naval officers communicated about what they knew to be the serious irradiation of the Reagan. Written by Kyle Cunningham and published in Japan Focus, “Mobilizing Nuclear Bias (http://japanfocus.org/-Kyle-Cleveland/4075)” describes the interplay between the U.S. and Japanese governments as Fukushima devolved into disaster.

Cunningham writes that transcribed conversations obtained through the Freedom of Information Act feature naval officials who acknowledge that even while 100 miles away from Fukushima, the Reagan’s readings “compared to just normal background [are] about 30 times what you would detect (http://japanfocus.org/-Kyle-Cleveland/4075#) just on a normal air sample out to sea.”

On the nuclear-powered carrier “all of our continuous monitors alarmed at the same level, at this value. And then we took portable air samples (http://japanfocus.org/-Kyle-Cleveland/4075#sthash.pu7YxrWC.dpuf) on the flight deck and got the same value,” the transcript says.

Serious fallout was also apparently found on helicopters coming back from relief missions. One unnamed U.S. government expert is quoted in the Japan Focus article as saying:


At 100 meters away it (the helicopter) was reading 4 sieverts per hour. That is an astronomical number and it told me, what that number means to me, a trained person, is there is no water on the reactor cores and they are just melting down, there is nothing containing the release of radioactivity. It is an unmitigated, unshielded number. (Confidential communication, Sept. 17, 2012).


The transcript then contains discussion of health impacts that could come within a matter of “10 hours. It’s a thyroid issue.”

http://my.firedoglake.com/solartopia/2014/02/26/navy-knew-fukushima-dangerously-contaminated-the-uss-reagan/

[Agloco]

Serious fallout was also apparently found on helicopters coming back from relief missions. One unnamed U.S. government expert is quoted in the Japan Focus article as saying:

At 100 meters away it (the helicopter) was reading 4 sieverts per hour. That is an astronomical number and it told me, what that number means to me, a trained person, is there is no water on the reactor cores and they are just melting down, there is nothing containing the release of radioactivity. It is an unmitigated, unshielded number. (Confidential communication, Sept. 17, 2012).

At 100 meters no less. That's neat.

Simple math tells me that at 2 meters this helicopter would be giving a dose rate of 10000Sv/hr (it's actually more since at 2 meters, the heli can no longer be approximated as a point source, but whatevs.....). For comparison, 300Sv/hr will kill a human in about 2 minutes.

I don't have time to dismantle all of the other crap in these "reports", but I'm sure one gets the picture.

lulz @ "US Government expert"

[mouse]

You mean the radiation is still there in the future:

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111019190849/memoryalpha/en/images/5/56/Miles_O%27Brien,_2367.jpg

In your life, I would hope so.

[boutons_deux]

Canadian 10th Grader Discovers Radioactive Imported Seafood Long After Government Stopped Testing

Radioactive seafood isn’t foreign to Canadian grocery stores, but we have no research and development professionals to thank for that information—just a 10th grader from Alberta.

Bronwyn Delacruz of Grande Prairie Composite High School in Alberta made her discovery with the help of a $600 Geiger counter her father purchased and the need to complete a science project. She told Metro Canada (http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/982233/alberta-students-science-project-finds-high-radiation-levels-in-grocery-store-seafood/) that she decided to test the radioactivity of seafood—mostly seaweed—because she was shocked to learn that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) stopped testing imported foods in that manner the year after the Fukushima nuclear disaster (http://ecowatch.com/?s=fukushima) in Japan.

“Some of the kelp that I found was higher than what the International Atomic Energy Agency sets as radioactive contamination, which is 1,450 counts over a 10-minute period,” she said. “Some of my samples came up as 1,700 or 1,800.”


In 2012, the Vancouver Sun (http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/343-203/9463-canada-fish-eaters-threatened-by-fukushima-radiation) reported that cesium-137, the radioactive form of cesium, was found in various seafood products that were imported from Japan, including:


• 73 percent of the mackerel
• 91 percent of the halibut
• 92 percent of the sardines
• 93 percent of the tuna and eel
• 94 percent of the cod and anchovies
• 100 percent of the carp, seaweed, shark and monkfish

http://ecowatch.com/2014/04/01/canadian-10th-grader-radioactive-imported-seafood/

[mouse]

The kid did more in one week than the FDA in a year.

[Agloco]

Canadian 10th Grader Discovers Radioactive Imported Seafood Long After Government Stopped Testing

Radioactive seafood isn’t foreign to Canadian grocery stores, but we have no research and development professionals to thank for that information—just a 10th grader from Alberta.

Bronwyn Delacruz of Grande Prairie Composite High School in Alberta made her discovery with the help of a $600 Geiger counter her father purchased and the need to complete a science project. She told Metro Canada (http://metronews.ca/news/calgary/982233/alberta-students-science-project-finds-high-radiation-levels-in-grocery-store-seafood/) that she decided to test the radioactivity of seafood—mostly seaweed—because she was shocked to learn that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA) stopped testing imported foods in that manner the year after the Fukushima nuclear disaster (http://ecowatch.com/?s=fukushima) in Japan.

“Some of the kelp that I found was higher than what the International Atomic Energy Agency sets as radioactive contamination, which is 1,450 counts over a 10-minute period,” she said. “Some of my samples came up as 1,700 or 1,800.”


In 2012, the Vancouver Sun (http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/343-203/9463-canada-fish-eaters-threatened-by-fukushima-radiation) reported that cesium-137, the radioactive form of cesium, was found in various seafood products that were imported from Japan, including:


• 73 percent of the mackerel
• 91 percent of the halibut
• 92 percent of the sardines
• 93 percent of the tuna and eel
• 94 percent of the cod and anchovies
• 100 percent of the carp, seaweed, shark and monkfish

http://ecowatch.com/2014/04/01/canadian-10th-grader-radioactive-imported-seafood/



The picture in this article doesn't show a Geiger counter, or seaweed for that matter......yet it's represented as doing so.

[Agloco]

The kid did more in one week than the FDA in a year.

How many counts do you get near your banana truck mouse?

[Wild Cobra]

The picture in this article doesn't show a Geiger counter, or seaweed for that matter......yet it's represented as doing so.
Huh?

http://files.cdn.ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/fishrad.jpeg

[Wild Cobra]

Now that apparently isn't a picture of her or her counter. This is:

http://storage.dailyheraldtribune.com/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297541458598_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x&stmp=1395783666344 (http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2014/03/25/local-science-project-finds-high-levels-of-radiation-in-seaweed)

[Agloco]

Huh?

http://files.cdn.ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/fishrad.jpeg

Not

A

Geiger

Counter

I know the distinction is lost on the layperson but trust me, this is not a Geiger counter.

[Agloco]

Now that apparently isn't a picture of her or her counter. This is:

http://storage.dailyheraldtribune.com/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297541458598_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x&stmp=1395783666344 (http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/2014/03/25/local-science-project-finds-high-levels-of-radiation-in-seaweed)

I'll buy that for a dollar. Any wagers on what she was counting?

[Wild Cobra]

Not

A

Geiger

Counter

I know the distinction is lost on the layperson but trust me, this is not a Geiger counter.

Well, I can't make out the name or markings on the buttons, and couldn't find an image like it anywhere.

And... isn't fish considered seafood?

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima Radioactivity Found in Tuna Off Oregon andWashington
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fukushima-radioactivity-found-in-tuna-off-oregon-andwashington/

[Wild Cobra]

Fukushima Radioactivity Found in Tuna Off Oregon andWashington
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fukushima-radioactivity-found-in-tuna-off-oregon-andwashington/
So?

One of the most highly migratory fish in the Pacific, and it has such low radiation levels.

I suspect you never considered that fact? Huh?

http://www.fishwatch.gov/seafood_profiles/species/tuna/species_pages/pacific_albacore_tuna.htm

[pgardn]

Not

A

Geiger

Counter

I know the distinction is lost on the layperson but trust me, this is not a Geiger counter.

Is that one of those handheld CO detectors for microbes? Sorta looks like it?
Looks like it has a light source though so maybe airborne particles?

[Wild Cobra]

Is that one of those handheld CO detectors for microbes? Sorta looks like it?
Looks like it has a light source though so maybe airborne particles?

No, it is a radiation monitor:

http://www.hightechsource.co.uk/Resources/Tracerco/T401%20Monitor%20Flyer%20-%20UK-RoW.pdf

However, it is an X-Ray monitor, and I wonder how accurate it is for detecting other radiation types. I haven't found that yet. My instinct tells me is will be inaccurate for the types of radiation she was testing.

[pgardn]

No, it is a radiation monitor:

http://www.hightechsource.co.uk/Resources/Tracerco/T401%20Monitor%20Flyer%20-%20UK-RoW.pdf

However, it is an X-Ray monitor, and I wonder how accurate it is for detecting other radiation types. I haven't found that yet. My instinct tells me is will be inaccurate for the types of radiation she was testing.

Looks like the same device as the picture.

The only Geiger counters I ever used were heavy and clunky and used for fairly high levels of gamma. But you could adjust for various levels. Used for I-131. But that was a while back in school. Had to get checked every month.

X rays... You don't get that in nuclear decay.

[Wild Cobra]

Looks like the same device as the picture.

No shit Sherlock. You said it looks like a CO detector. I found the make and model of the one in Boutons post 140 linked article.



The only Geiger counters I ever used were heavy and clunky and used for fairly high levels of gamma. But you could adjust for various levels. Used for I-131. But that was a while back in school. Had to get checked every month.

How large were your cell phones compared to today?

Wait... did cell phones exist?

Modernization and miniaturization is great, isn't it!



X rays... You don't get that in nuclear decay.
No shit Sherlock.

Who ever did that story did a huge justice to the girl.

Again, I wonder how accurate it is for nuclear decay.

[pgardn]

Well, I can't make out the name or markings on the buttons, and couldn't find an image like it anywhere.

And... isn't fish considered seafood?

What?

[pgardn]

Well, I can't make out the name or markings on the buttons, and couldn't find an image like it anywhere.

And... isn't fish considered seafood?

????

[pgardn]

No, it is a radiation monitor:

http://www.hightechsource.co.uk/Resources/Tracerco/T401%20Monitor%20Flyer%20-%20UK-RoW.pdf

However, it is an X-Ray monitor, and I wonder how accurate it is for detecting other radiation types. I haven't found that yet. My instinct tells me is will be inaccurate for the types of radiation she was testing.

[pgardn]

How large were your cell phones compared to today?

Wait... did cell phones exist?

Modernization and miniaturization is great, isn't it!


No shit Sherlock.

Who ever did that story did a huge justice to the girl.

Again, I wonder how accurate it is for nuclear decay.

I said heavy as in mass dumb fck, not large as in volume. The Geiger counter I used was not much LARGER than the pictured.

Did a huge justice for the girl? What?

So what does it measure? You found the item, what does it measure?
Read it AGAIN.

[Wild Cobra]

I said heavy as in mass dumb fck, not large as in volume. The Geiger counter I used was not much LARGER than the pictured.

You said "heavy and clunky."



Did a huge justice for the girl? What?

Ooops...

I meant to say injustice.



So what does it measure? You found the item, what does it measure?
Read it AGAIN.
OK, one listing and the link say two different thing.

Damn I hate having to double check everything, due to the misinformation on the internet. I failed to do enough checks. The link I found the device in said it was for X-rays.

Still, you said it looked like a CO detector.

It checks:

Alpha / Beta / Gamma
Automatic direct translation
to Bq/cm2 for Cs-137,
Am-241, C-14, Cl-36,
Pb-210 (wet and dry),
Ra-226 (wet and dry),
Sr-90, Co-60, P-32,
Pu-239, U-238.

[pgardn]

You said "heavy and clunky."


Ooops...

I meant to say injustice.


OK, one listing and the link say two different thing.

Damn I hate having to double check everything, due to the misinformation on the internet. I failed to do enough checks. The link I found the device in said it was for X-rays.

Still, you said it looked like a CO detector.

It checks:

Alpha / Beta / Gamma
Automatic direct translation
to Bq/cm2 for Cs-137,
Am-241, C-14, Cl-36,
Pb-210 (wet and dry),
Ra-226 (wet and dry),
Sr-90, Co-60, P-32,
Pu-239, U-238.

Yes because they were/are made with a good deal of metal.

And it does. There are hand held models.

I could not tell what it was from the picture. Both of the devices I mentioned look somewhat like the picture. Look them up as well. I had no idea what it was.

A poster invited guesses. So I guessed.
So are you the hand held monitor for guessing?
Its almost like you are drinking while posting... A few mistakes, everyone does that. But you are habitually falling in the well.

[boutons_deux]

SNAFUkushima: Updating Meltdowns, Still FUBAR and Deteriorating

http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/alphabet/rsn-T.jpghere’s not much new to say about Fukushima. It remains an out of control disaster with as yet unmeasurable dimensions that continue to expand. Or perhaps it’s more accurate to say that everything new about Fukushima is just the same-old same-old getting worse at an uneven and unpredictable rate. Either way, it’s not good and, while it’s worse in degree, it’s not yet apparently worse in kind, so that’s one reason you don’t hear that much about it in the news these days.Whatever the full truth is about Fukushima, it’s probably unknowable (http://mainichi.jp/english/english/perspectives/news/20140517p2a00m0na006000c.html) at present. And it might remain unknowable even if there were total transparency, even if there were no corporate, institutional, governmental, and other layers of secrecy (http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/21308-fukushima-a-global-conspiracy-of-denial) protecting such enemies of the common good as profit, capital investment, and weapons development (http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/271-38/21466-japans-response-to-fukushima-should-worry-us-all).

Here are some other elements of SNAFUkushima that might stir up anxieties of residents and non-residents alike:

RADIOACTIVE WATER is beyond control and unmeasured

RADIOACTIVE WATER DUMPING began at Fukushima on May 21

THE UNIT 4 SPENT FUEL POOL still has disaster potential

RADIOACTIVE CONTAMINATION spreads, but threat level is uncertain

Fukushima Prefecture has launched the Come Home campaign.… Air contamination decreased a little, but soil contamination remains the same. And there are still about two million people living in the prefecture, who have all sorts of medical issues. The authorities claim this has nothing to do with the fallout….

I remember feeling so deeply for the victims of the Chernobyl tragedy that I could barely hold back the tears whenever I heard any reports on it. And now that a similar tragedy happened in Fukushima, the biggest problem is that there is no one to help us. They say it’s safe to go back … while in reality the radiation is still there. This is killing children. They die of heart conditions, asthma, leukemia, thyroiditis.… Lots of kids are extremely exhausted after school; others are simply unable to attend PE classes. But the authorities still hide the truth from us, and I don’t know why. Don’t they have children of their own?

Idogawa described his own symptoms, consistent with radiation poisoning, symptoms that persist even though he’s moved to another prefecture. He says he’s not getting treatment now and there’s no place to go for help: “The nearest hospital refused to treat me. So I’m trying to restore my health through nutrition.”

The Japanese government allowed Fukushima residents to start returning to their homes as of April 1, saying that it was safe (http://fukushimaupdate.com/residents-given-all-clear-to-return-to-fukushima-disaster-hot-zone/). It was not safe. The government lied. On April 16, Asahi Shimbun (http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201404160056) reported some of the government’s lies (http://fukushimaupdate.com/estimated-radiation-doses-of-fukushima-returnees-withheld-for-half-a-year/) that put people at risk.

“The same thing happened with Hiroshima and Nagasaki,” Idogawa said: “The authorities lied to everyone. They said it was safe. They hid the truth…. Japan has some dark history.” And so does the rest of the world.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/23818-focus-snafukushima-updating-meltdowns-still-fubar-and-deteriorating

[Wild Cobra]

Hey Boutons...

I have an avatar for you:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x262/Wild_Cobra/Misc/ChickenLittleBoutons_zps38ef68d8.jpg

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima Disaster Still A Global Nightmare

The corporate media silence on Fukushima (http://ecowatch.com/?s=fukushima) has been deafening even though themelted-down nuclear power plant’s seaborne radiation (http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/02/pbs-post-apocalyptic-tour-fukushima/) is now washing up on American beaches.
Ever more radioactive water continues to pour into the Pacific.

At least three extremely volatile fuel assemblies are stuck high in the air at Unit 4. Three years after the March 11, 2011, disaster (http://ecowatch.com/2014/03/09/fasting-fukushima-third-anniversary/), nobody knows exactly where the melted cores from Units 1, 2 and 3 might be.

http://files.cdn.ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/surffuk.jpg (http://ecowatch.com/?s=fukushima)

Amid a dicey cleanup infiltrated by organized crime (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/30/us-fukushima-workers-idUSBRE9BT00520131230), still more massive radiation releases are a real possibility at any time.

Radioactive groundwater washing through the complex is enough of a problem that Fukushima Daiichi owner Tepco has just won approval for a highly controversial ice wall (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27669393) to be constructed around the crippled reactor site. No wall of this scale and type has ever been built, and this one might not be ready for two years. Widespread skepticism has erupted surrounding its potential impact on the stability of the site and on the huge amounts of energy necessary to sustain it. Critics (http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/scrutineer/2014/5/27/at-fukushima-iceisjustanotherbrickinthewallofdenial.html) also doubt it would effectively guard the site from flooding and worry it could cause even more damage should power fail.

Meanwhile, children nearby are dying. The rate of thyroid cancers (http://ecowatch.com/2013/03/10/thyroid-abnormalities-fukushima/) among some 250,000 area young people is more than 40 times normal. According to health expert Joseph Mangano (http://truth-out.org/news/item/20810-scientists-link-spike-in-thyroid-disease-to-fukushima-disaster), more than 46 percent have precancerous nodules and cysts on their thyroids. This is “just the beginning” of a tragic epidemic, he warns.

http://ecowatch.com/2014/06/03/fukushima-global-nightmare/

[Winehole23]

The corporate media silence on Fukushima (http://ecowatch.com/?s=fukushima) has been deafening the paranoid echoes are audible here. not sure it's quite the global threat just yet.

clearly for Japan it's a nightmare. an environmental disaster of unprecedented seriousness and unknown dimensions, is still unfolding.

[Winehole23]

It is hard to comprehend the number of radioactive water accidents at Fukushima since an earthquake and tsunami crippled the plant in 2011. At a point last August, the Japanese government announced (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wrecked-fukushima-nuke-plant-leaking-330-tons-contaminated-water-day-v19910577) that roughly 330 tons (about 80,000 gallons) of radioactive water leaked into the Pacific Ocean from the Fukushima plant every day. The same month, experts feared (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/fukushima-vast-amounts-of-radioactive-water-creeping-towards-sea) that a vast underground reservoir of radioactive water was perilously close to reaching the ocean. The following October, radioactive water leaked while workers transferred water (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/fukushima-leak_n_4020972.html) between two tanks. A few days later, Tepco announced a smaller amount of radioactive water had leaked into the ocean after workers miscalculated the capacity of the tank due to it sitting on a slope (http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/511285/20131004/japan-fukushima-nuclear-contaminated-water-ocean.htm#.UwdlffldWmE). The list goes on.


The evacuation and other drastic life changes prompted by the event is also taking a toll, especially on the elderly. More people have died of stress (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/02/20/national/post-quake-illnesses-kill-more-in-fukushima-than-2011-disaster/#.UwdymPldWmG) and other related conditions than from immediate injuries in the 2011 disaster, The Japan Times reported. While the long-term medical impact of elevated radiation in the area is largely unknown, 2,000 Fukushima workers face a heightened risk (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/19/fukushima-workers-risk-thyroid-cancer_n_3622529.html) of thyroid cancer.


Concern over potential harm from the disaster has recently spread to the U.S. military. Over the past year, more than 70 U.S. sailors and Marines who were deployed to Japan in 2011 to aid tsunami victims have joined a billion-dollar lawsuit (http://www.newsweek.com/blank) against Tepco. According to the suit, they suffered serious health issues after the mission, and allege that the company did not disclose information about the level of danger associated with radiation exposure near the nuclear plant.

http://www.newsweek.com/another-day-another-spill-radioactive-water-fukushima-229840

[Winehole23]

the media blackout is a myth, btw. a very easily checkable one: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fukushima-anniversary/radiation-fears-force-fukushimas-children-inside-n48811

[Winehole23]

any poster who claims the media won't touch a story, lies. he/she heard it directly or indirectly from the media.

[Winehole23]

the MSM blackout meme is probably the most easily defeated of frequently used tropes in this forum. it is always wrong.

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima FUBAR – Still Bad, Still Getting Worse

http://readersupportednews.org/images/stories/alphabet/rsn-J.jpgust because meltdowns at the Fukushima nuclear site aren’t much in the news of late, it’s not safe to assume they’re under control. They’re not. The 2011 accident continues uninterrupted, beyond control, beyond reliable measurement, beyond honest reporting in most media, and beyond any hope of being significantly mitigated for years and probably decades to come. That’s the best case. Alternatively (http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2013/12/radioactive-rain-falling-downwind-of.html), radiation levels are rising, especially for Tritium and Plutonium, and much of it goes right into the ocean. Either way, officials (http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/node/2162) in Japan and the U.S. have responded (http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-approves-raising-permissible-levels-of-nuclear-radiation-in-drinking-water-civilian-cancer-deaths-expected-to-skyrocket/5331224) by arbitrarily raising the officially “safe” (http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/01/governments-worldwide-raise-acceptable-radiation-levels-based-upon-politics-not-science.html) level of radiation exposure (http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43455859/ns/us_news-environment/#.U6Xb7I1dX6Z).

Japan’s Nuclear Regulatory Authority (NRA) released an 8-page report (http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2014/monitoring-air-dose11062014.pdf) June 11, based on what it shows was very limited sampling, taken three months (in 2011) and 32 months (in 2013) after the meltdowns. Distributed by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) (http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/2013/japan-basic-policy-full.html), the report lacks any useful detail for an exposed public, and its main conclusion is opaque on human safety:

Air dose rates in both “Road and its adjacent area” and “Vacant land lot” have decreased more rapidly than we expected considering the physical half-life of radionuclide in 32 months after the accident.

Who’ll stop the rain? Or the groundwater? Or fuel pool coolant?

Recently the Tokyo Electric Company (TEPCO), responsible for the nuclear site, has acknowledged that rain is a problem (http://www.fukuleaks.org/web/?p=13239). TEPCO has thousands of storage tanks filled with radioactive groundwater collected from the site, but rain adds to the water in the tanks and becomes part of the total volume of radioactive water on site and flowing out.

TEPCO has suggested a variety of ways of putting a cover, a roof, or a tent over the tanks to keep the rain out. But TEPCO hasn’t done it yet.

The Fukushima nuclear power plants have been shut down for more than three years, but the nuclear fuel is not yet stabilized and the site leaks radioactivity constantly, but at a varying, often unknown rate. The Fukushima disaster is unprecedented in scale, complexity, and consequence.

Fukushima’s continuing release of radioactivity long since passed the scale of Chernobyl in 1986. Fukushima releases are now estimated at three times (http://www.iede.co.uk/news/2014_4793/qa-%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C5%93fukushima-accident-still-ongoing-after-three-years%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C2%9D) the Russian accident, but with no end in sight (http://enenews.com/nuclear-consultant-fukushima-reactors-released-about-3-times-more-radioactivity-than-chernobyl-japan-crisis-is-unprecedented-in-size-complexity-and-consequences-yet-disaster-is-not-over-and-c) for Japan.
There’s no end in sight for Ukraine, either, where the Chernobyl accident may be better contained than Fukushima, but Chernobyl won’t be over till it’s over, either. Reasonably enough, Japan and Ukraine (http://mainichi.jp/english/english/newsselect/news/20140619p2g00m0dm071000c.html) have been working together to launch satellites that will monitor their respective nuclear disasters. A Ukrainian-designed rocket carrying two Japanese-developed satellites is scheduled to launch into orbit from Russia’s Ural space station on June 26. The rocket will be carrying 33 small satellites from 17 countries.

The satellites (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/06/20/national/japanese-satellites-enter-orbit-to-monitor-fukushima-chernobyl/#.U6WyC41dX6Z) from Ukraine and Japan are intended to maintain a continuous record of conditions at and around the two nuclear disasters. How governments use and/or share this data remains to be seen. As one Tokyo University professor involved in the project expressed concern over government accountability, “I hope that the data will help Japan and Ukraine correctly acknowledge the impact on the environment near the two plants.” [Emphasis added.]

“I’ve been involved in this Fukushima volunteer for 3 years. Blood splashes out of the skin suddenly, and quite often. This is the reality.”
A Fukushima decontamination volunteer posted that comment on Twitter (https://twitter.com/HCR_OPCOM/status/480163492842835969). (There the translation is rougher: “Voluntary activities [scary internal radiation threat: Fukushima from the third year. This reality that one day, often happen to be suddenly spewing blood from the skin.”)

The anecdotal suffering of people affected by Fukushima and the years of inadequate official response goes largely unreported, except by a few like Mochizuki Cheshire Iori (https://www.facebook.com/mochizuki.iori), who has maintained his Fukushima Diary (http://fukushima-diary.com/)since immediately after the meltdowns. He recently reported a massive spike of Cesium in Yaiti City (http://fukushima-diary.com/2014/06/17000-bqkg-of-cs-134137-from-soil-of-a-public-drinking-fountain-in-yaita-city-tochigi/), midway between Fukushima and Tokyo.

Fukushima Diary also posted a report of elevated radiation levels in Tokyo in February 2014. These are anecdotal reports, but there have been other reports of radiation in Tokyo (http://enenews.com/gundersen-contamination-tokyo-ubiquitous-when-visited-niigatas-river-sediment-loaded-radiation-audio).

Nuclear engineer Arnie Gundersen (http://www.fairewinds.org/fairewinds-team/) reported personally measuring material in Tokyo in December 2012 that was hot enough to be classified as radioactive waste (http://enenews.com/gundersen-contamination-tokyo-ubiquitous-when-visited-niigatas-river-sediment-loaded-radiation-audio) in the U.S.

Japan did nothing about it. There is apparently no consistent, official monitoring of radiation in Tokyo. If there were, and the measurements were high, that might threaten the Olympics scheduled for Tokyo in 2020.

The official Japanese position, expressed by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (http://www.enviroreporter.com/2013/09/tokyos-radiation-olympics/) to the International Olympic Committee in September 2013, goes like this: “Let me assure you the situation [in Fukushima] is under control. It has never done and will never do any damage to Tokyo.”

Public policy, based on average exposures and estimated “safe” levels, is not all that concerned with personal safety, not even for Olympic athletes. Beat the averages and, officially, there’s no damage. But if you, personally, win the bad lottery and ingest a random “hot particle,” (http://www.fairewinds.org/) you may have a problem, about which most governments don’t much care.

“We have yet to form the ice stopper because we can’t make the temperature low enough to freeze water,” a TEPCO spokesman said.

To control the flow fresh of water into the Fukushima site, where it gets irradiated by the melted reactor cores before it flows on out to the Pacific, TEPCO’s plans (reports vary) included building a gigantic, underground ice wall to keep the fresh water out. Another reported plan was to build a gigantic, underground ice wall to keep the radioactive water in. A third plan was to build a gigantic, underground ice wall all the way around the contaminated site, keeping the outside water out (except rain) and the inside water in.

TEPCO tried and failed to freeze about 11,000 tons of radioactive water (about 2.6 million gallons) in place in trenches underneath two of the destroyed reactor buildings.

TEPCO also continuously adds to the radioactive water build-up with the water it must pump into the site to keep the melted reactor cores and fuel pools cool enough that they don’t go critical again and spew more radiation.
So far the ice wall plans, which would take a decade or more to complete if all went well, are already behind schedule and not really working out. On June 18, Al Jazeera (http://fukushimaupdate.com/fukushima-ice-wall-looking-more-like-a-dirt-slurpee/) summed it up in a story under the headline: “FUKUSHIMA ‘ICE WALL’ LOOKING MORE LIKE A DIRT SLURPEE.”

The next day, TEPCO issued a news release saying the earlier media reports (http://www.straight.com/news/670216/fukushima-operator-says-media-getting-story-wrong), also based on a TEPCO news release, were wrong. TEPCO said the media had confused two different projects, both being carried out by Kajima Corp.: (1) the effort to freeze the ground around Fukushima and (2) the failed attempt to freeze water under only part of Fukushima.

The nuclear-industrial complex is a global power

In recent years, we’ve heard predictions of a global “nuclear renaissance,” which has yet to materialize despite heavy government subsidy of nuclear power in the U.S. and elsewhere. In 2002, by official count, the world had 444 “operating nuclear reactors,” now that number is less than 400. And even that total, a decline of 10%, is an inflated mirage created by the IAEA, which counts Japan’s 48 reactors (http://www.ipsnews.net/2014/06/qa-fukushima-accident-still-ongoing-after-three-years/) as “in operation,” even though they are all shut down or inoperable, thanks to the Fukushima meltdowns.
Another nuclear industry promotional organization, the World Nuclear Association, continues to promise “The Nuclear Renaissance (http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/Current-and-Future-Generation/The-Nuclear-Renaissance/),” arguing that:

With 70 reactors being built around the world today, another 160 or more planned to come online during the next 10 years, and hundreds more further back in the pipeline, the global nuclear industry is clearly going forward strongly. Negative responses to the Fukushima accident, notably in Europe, do not change this overall picture. Countries with established programmes are seeking to replace old reactors as well as expand capacity…. Most (over 80%) of the expansion in this century is likely to be in countries already using nuclear power.

American, Japanese, and other governments around the world have long been in thrall to the nuclear industry. Currently the commercial nuclear industry is dominated by three Western-Japanese conglomerates: the French Areva with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and two American companies, General Electric and Westinghouse, with Hitachi and Toshiba, respectively.

The human cost (http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/20/fukushimas-ongoing-fallout/print) of Fukushima doesn’t come out of their bottom lines, and most governments will also shirk paying for it as much as possible.

TEPCO sends mixed message about how safe Fukushima is

A Fukushima report from VICE (published May 26 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAEvT_UdhNI#t=78)) notes that the Japanese government continues to try to keep information secret as much as it can. A former Japanese legislator says his government tried to conceal measurements of radioactive Cesium at Fukushima that were 168 times higher than the level at Hiroshima after the 1945 A-bomb attack. The government keeps telling the public that everything is OK.

The 13-minute video covers some of the more familiar Fukushima horrors (http://nbhap.com/movies/fukushima-playing-nuclear-fire/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=fukushima-playing-nuclear-fire):

radiation poisoning and increasing thyroid cancers (http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/fukushima-disaster-radiation-children-740/);

the government allowing the sale of highly radioactive food;

inadequate official measurement of Fukushima radiation levels;

and the lethal effect of feeding radioactive leaves from Fukushima plants to healthy butterflies.

There is a scene of TEPCO officials refusing to talk on camera beyond a short, bland reassurance that everything is OK. There is a TEPCO worker (his identity concealed) who says the equipment at Fukushima is deteriorating and the cooling systems might fail. And there is a dissonant sequence showing a government official wearing no protective clothing leading the camera crew (in protective clothing) inside the Fukushima site – until TEPCO workers (in protective clothing) chase them all away because it’s too dangerous.

When U.S. Ambassador Caroline Kennedy (http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/caroline-kennedy-tours-fukushima-nuclear-plant-ruins/) visited the Fukushima ruins, she was unidentifiable under her protective clothing, as was her son with her. Ambassador Kennedy reportedly said that the U.S. would help “in any way that it can,” which could mean no way.

In June, the governor of Fukushima Prefecture was asking the Tokyo Olympics committee to have the 2020 Olympics torch relay (http://www.straight.com/blogra/670541/fukushima-governor-wants-olympics-torch-relay-near-ruined-power-plant) run along a road only 2 kilometers from the Fukushima meltdowns that caused more than 100,000 people to be evacuated, most of whom cannot return.

The governor is also lobbying for an Olympics training camp 20 km from the meltdowns, in buildings that presently house workers hired by TEPCO to carry out the decommissioning and decontamination that even TEPCO expects to take decades.

Meanwhile there are some things that don’t change:

the Fukushima cores (https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU_aSKWQBRMoN2wry2Mh3jvg&v=huGpLrRftok&feature=player_detailpage#t=269) are still melting down,

earthquakes (http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/24270-earthquake-strikes-20-miles-from-fukushima) still happen in the neighborhood (most recently June 16), and

President Obama is still pushing to build more nukes (http://www.truthout.com/buzzflash/commentary/epa-chief-reveals-white-house-to-kickstart-nuke-plants-obama-s-fukushima-chernobyl-amnesia/18717-epa-chief-reveals-white-house-to-kickstart-nuke-plants-obama-s-fukushima-chernobyl-amnesia).

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24380-focus-fukushima-fubar-still-bad-still-getting-worse

[CosmicCowboy]

going to build an ice wall for containment

www.coolingpost.com/world-news/fukushima-ice-wall-gets-go-ahead/

[boutons_deux]

going to build an ice wall for containment

www.coolingpost.com/world-news/fukushima-ice-wall-gets-go-ahead/ (http://www.coolingpost.com/world-news/fukushima-ice-wall-gets-go-ahead/)

"So far the ice wall plans, which would take a decade or more to complete if all went well, are already behind schedule and not really working out. On June 18, Al Jazeera (http://fukushimaupdate.com/fukushima-ice-wall-looking-more-like-a-dirt-slurpee/) summed it up in a story under the headline: “FUKUSHIMA ‘ICE WALL’ LOOKING MORE LIKE A DIRT SLURPEE.”"

[Wild Cobra]

http://www.newsweek.com/another-day-another-spill-radioactive-water-fukushima-229840
Don't eat fish bones...

Shark cartilage...

[boutons_deux]

Shut California’s Fukushima: Diablo Must Go

The catastrophe at Fukushima (http://ecowatch.com/search/?q=fukushima) was not an accident. It’s unfolding again in California.

The next west coast quake could easily shake the two reactors at Diablo Canyon to rubble.

They are riddled with defects (http://prn.fm/green-power-wellness-devils-nuke-090214/), can’t withstand potential seismic shocks from five major nearby fault lines, violate state water quality laws and are vulnerable to tsunamis and fire.
Diablo’s owner, Pacific Gas & Electric (PG&E), is in deep legal and financial crisis.

http://ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/diablonuclear.jpg


The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) has just proposed that PG&E be fined $1.4 billion (http://www.nukefree.org/huffpo-pg-e-fined-record-1-4-billion-san-bruno-fire) for a 2010 gas explosion and fire that killed eight people and obliterated a neighborhood in San Bruno.

The federal government has announced 28 indictments, meaning the CPUC fine may just be the tip of a very expensive iceberg for PG&E.

The San Bruno disaster was caused by pipeline defects about which PG&E had been warned for years, but failed to correct.

The fines cover 3,798 separate violations of laws and regulations, both state and federal. PG&E was previously fined $38 million for a 2008 pipeline explosion in Rancho Cordova.

Similar defects remain uncorrected at Diablo Canyon, whose radioactive cloud could span the continental U.S. in four days. Mass citizen action recently shut two coastal reactors at San Onofre (http://ecowatch.com/search/?q=San+Onofre). It must do the same at Diablo before the next quake hits.

Ironically, as America’s Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) allows Diablo to operate, all 54 reactors in Japan remain shut. Its Nuclear Regulatory Authority has just ordered the Tsurugareactor to be scrapped (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/09/04/national/nras-final-ruling-on-fault-to-force-scrapping-of-tsuruga-reactor/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=nras-final-ruling-on-fault-to-force-scrapping-of-tsuruga-reactor#.VAktChZi6ye) because of its vulnerability to earthquakes. Two more elderly reactors at Mihama may also be terminated (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/09/05/national/kepco-may-scrap-two-aging-reactors-over-upgrade-costs/#.VAojFCgbf0A) before year’s end.


At Fukushima, Tokyo Electric Power now admits that far more radiation is spewing (http://commondreams.org/news/2014/08/07/fukushima-meltdown-worse-previous-estimates-tepco) into the Pacific than previously admitted. The thyroid cancer death rate among children (http://ecowatch.com/2014/08/25/thyroid-cancer-fukushima/) in the area is 40 times normal. So is the still-rising childhood thyroid abnormality rate, a terrifying re-run of downwind Chernobyl.

http://ecowatch.com/2014/09/06/california-fukushima-diablo-nuclear/

[cantthinkofanything]

And yet CNN feels like running a couple hours of Ray Rice news and analysis. Smh

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Radioactive Boars On The Loose In Germany
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129008757

Did countries, people downwind of Chernobyl sue USSR for damages? :lol

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Tokyo Contaminated & Not Fit for Habitation, Doctor Says

All 23 districts of Tokyo contaminated with radiation, worse than at Chernobyl after the accident, and blood cells of children under ten are showing worrying changes; the WHO, the IAEA & the Japanese government cannot be trusted
In July 2014 Dr Shigeru Mita wrote a letter to his fellow doctors to explain his decision to move his practice from Tokyo to Okayama city in the West of Japan [1]. In it, he appeals to their sense of duty to answer the anxieties of parents in Japan who do not believe the information coming from the authorities. He says “I must state that the policies of the WHO, the IAEA or the Japanese government cannot be trusted.” and “if the power to save our citizens and future generations exists somewhere, it does not lie within the government or any academic association, but in the hands of individual clinical doctors ourselves.”

Mita claims that all 23 districts of Tokyo are contaminated, with the eastern area worst affected - up to 4 000 Bq/kg. (The becquerel is a unit of radioactivity. One Bq is the activity of a quantity of radioactive material in which one nucleus decays per second.) These findings confirm what the nuclear physicist Arnie Gundersen of Fairewinds Nuclear Education found in 2012, when he picked up five random soil samples in Tokyo from between paving stones, in parks and playgrounds. The levels of contamination were up to 7 000 Bq/kg; in the US, anything registering these levels would be considered nuclear waste [2].

While practising in Tokyo, Mita also discovered changes in the white blood cells of children under 10.

http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Tokyo_contaminated_and_not_fit_for_habitation.php

[RandomGuy]

No, it is a radiation monitor:

http://www.hightechsource.co.uk/Resources/Tracerco/T401%20Monitor%20Flyer%20-%20UK-RoW.pdf

However, it is an X-Ray monitor, and I wonder how accurate it is for detecting other radiation types. I haven't found that yet. My instinct tells me is will be inaccurate for the types of radiation she was testing.

X-Ray radiation is... light, just a frequency we can't normally see, i.e. photons.

It would likely be completely useless at detecting other kinds of nuclear radiation, which is generally protons and neutrons.

Get Agloco to confirm that if you want a real topical expert.

I guess my arguments with my dumbass sister in law about microwave ovens came in handy, heh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation

[Agloco]

1) http://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/TenHoeveEES12.pdf


This study quantifies worldwide health effects of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident on 11 March
2011. Effects are quantified with a 3-D global atmospheric model driven by emission estimates and
evaluated against daily worldwide Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO)
measurements and observed deposition rates. Inhalation exposure, ground-level external exposure, and
atmospheric external exposure pathways of radioactive iodine-131, cesium-137, and cesium-134
released from Fukushima are accounted for using a linear no-threshold (LNT) model of human
exposure. Exposure due to ingestion of contaminated food and water is estimated by extrapolation. We
estimate an additional 130 (15–1100) cancer-related mortalities and 180 (24–1800) cancer-related
morbidities incorporating uncertainties associated with the exposure–dose and dose–response models
used in the study. We also discuss the LNT model’s uncertainty at low doses. Sensitivities to emission
rates, gas to particulate I-131 partitioning, and the mandatory evacuation radius around the plant are
also explored, and may increase upper bound mortalities and morbidities in the ranges above to 1300
and 2500, respectively. Radiation exposure to workers at the plant is projected to result in 2 to 12
morbidities. An additional 600 mortalities have been reported due to non-radiological causes such as
mandatory evacuations. Lastly, a hypothetical accident at the Diablo Canyon Power Plant in
California, USA with identical emissions to Fukushima was studied to analyze the influence of location
and seasonality on the impact of a nuclear accident. This hypothetical accident may cause 25% more
mortalities than Fukushima despite California having one fourth the local population density due to
differing meteorological conditions

2) http://www.pnas.org/content/110/26/10670.full.pdf+html


Radioactive isotopes originating from the damaged Fukushima
nuclear reactor in Japan following the earthquake and tsunami in
March 2011 were found in resident marine animals and in migratory
Pacific bluefin tuna (PBFT). Publication of this information resulted
in a worldwide response that caused public anxiety and concern,
although PBFT captured off California in August 2011 contained
activity concentrations below those from naturally occurring radio-
nuclides. To link the radioactivity to possible health impairments,
we calculated doses, attributable to the Fukushima-derived and the
naturally occurring radionuclides, to both the marine biota and
human fish consumers. We showed that doses in all cases were dominated by
the naturally occurring alpha-emitter
210 Po and that Fukushima-derived doses were three to four orders of magnitude
below 210 Po-derived doses. Doses to marine biota were about two
orders of magnitude below the lowest benchmark protection level
proposed for ecosystems (10 μGy·h−1). The additional dose from
Fukushima radionuclides to humans consuming tainted PBFT in
the United States was calculated to be 0.9 and 4.7 μSv for average consumers and subsistence
fishermen, respectively. Such doses are comparable to, or less than,
the dose all humans routinely obtain from naturally occurring radionuclides
in many food items, medical treatments, air travel, or other
background sources. Although uncertainties remain regarding the
assessment of cancer risk at low doses of ionizing radiation to humans,
the dose received from PBFT consumption by subsistence fishermen can
be estimated to result in two additional fatal cancer cases per 10,000,000 sim-
ilarly exposed people

3) http://darchive.mblwhoilibrary.org:8080/bitstream/handle/1912/6581/27-1_buesseler.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Pay particular attention to the illustration on p.94


The triple disaster of the March 11, 2011, earthquake, tsunami, and
subsequent radiation releases from Japan’s Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant
were unprecedented events for the ocean and society. In this article, the radioactive
releases from this event are compared to natural and prior human sources, with
particular attention to cesium-137 and -134 radioisotopes. Total releases from
Fukushima are not well constrained, with estimates from atmospheric fallout and
direct ocean discharge spanning 4 to 90 peta Becquerels (PBq), but are most likely in
the 15–30 PBq range. This source is smaller than any
137Cs remaining in the North Pacific from global and
close-in fallout from the 1960s. It is of similar magnitude
to 137Cs released to the ocean from the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing site on the
Irish Sea, though of greater magnitude than fallout that reached the ocean from
the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster in the Ukraine. The fate of Cs is
largely determined by its soluble nature in seawater, though uptake in sediments
does occur via cesium’s association with both detrital particles and biological uptake
and sedimentation. A mass balance of Cs supply from rivers and ongoing leakage
from nuclear power plants suggests that sediments will remain contaminated for
decades. This may be one reason why Cs concentrations in benthic fish stay elevated
over predictions, causing fisheries to remain closed near Fukushima and ongoing
concern to the public.

4) http://arxiv.org/pdf/1312.7314v1.pdf


A variety of environmental media were analyzed for fallout radionuclides
resulting from the Fukushima nuclear accident by the
Low Background Facility (LBF) at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
(LBNL) in Berkeley, CA. Monitoring activities in air
and rainwater began soon after the onset of the March 11, 2011
tsunami and are reported here through the end of 2012. Observed fallout
isotopes include 131I, 132I, 132Te, 134Cs, 136Cs, and 137Cs.
Isotopes were measured on environmental air filters, automobile filters,
and in rainwater. An additional analysis of rainwater in search of 90Sr is also
presented. Last, a series of food measurements
conducted in September of 2013 are included due to extended media
concerns of 134, 137Cs in fish. Similar measurements of fallout
from the Chernobyl disaster at LBNL, previously unpublishe
d publicly, are also presented here as a comparison with the Fukushima incident.
All measurements presented also include natural
radionuclides found in the environment to provide a basis for comparison


5) http://rpd.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2014/05/01/rpd.ncu150.full.pdf+html


Even though many studies have shown that radioactive caesium levels in fish caught outside of Japan were below experimental
detection limits of a few Bq kg^-1, significant public concern has been expressed about the safety of consuming seafood from the
Pacific Ocean following the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear accident. To address the public concerns, samples of commonly con-
sumed salmon and groundfish harvested from the Canadian west coast in 2013 were analysed for radioactive caesium. None of
the fish samples analysed in this study contained any detectable levels of 134Cs and 137Cs under given experimental setting with the average detection limit of∼2Bqkg^-1. Using a conservative worst-case scenario where all fish samples would contain
137Cs exactly at the detection limit level and 134Cs at half of the detection limit level (to account for much shorter half-life of
134Cs), the resulting radiation dose for people from consumption of this fish would be a very small fraction of the annual dose from exposure to natural background radiation in Canada. Therefore, fish, such as salmon and groundfish, from the Canadian west coast
are of no radiological health concern

6) http://www.pnas.org/content/111/10/E914.full.pdf+html


Radiation dose rates were evaluated in three areas neighboring a restricted area within a 20- to 50-km radius of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in August–September 2012 and projected to 2022 and 2062. Study participants wore personal dosimeters measuring external dose equivalents, almost entirely from deposited radionuclides (groundshine). External dose rate equivalents owing to the accident averaged 1.03, 2.75, and 1.66 mSv/y in the village of Kawauchi, the Tamano area of Soma, and the Haramachi area of Minamisoma, respectively. Internal dose rates estimated from dietary intake of radiocesium averaged 0.0058, 0.019, and 0.0088 mSv/y in Kawauchi, Tamano, and Haramachi, respectively. Dose rates from inhalation of resuspended radiocesium were lower than 0.001 mSv/y. In 2012, the average annual doses from radiocesium were close to the average background radiation exposure (2 mSv/y) in Japan. Accounting only for the physical decay of radiocesium, mean annual dose rates in 2022 were estimated as 0.31, 0.87, and 0.53 mSv/y in Kawauchi, Tamano, and Haramachi, respectively. The simple and conservative estimates are comparable with variations in the background dose, and unlikely to exceed the ordinary permissible dose rate (1mSv/y) for the majority of the Fukushima population. Health risk assessment indicates that post-2012 doses will increase lifetime solid cancer, leukemia, and breast cancer incidences by 1.06%, 0.03% and 0.28% respectively, in Tamano. This assessment was derived from short-term observation with uncertainties and did not evaluate the first-year dose and radioiodine exposure. Nevertheless, this estimate provides perspective on the long-term radiation exposure levels in the three regions.

7) http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es502480y


Atmospheric deposition of Pu isotopes from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant (FDNPP) accident has been observed in the terrestrial environment around the FDNPP site; however, their deposition in the marine environment has not been studied. The possible contamination of Pu in the marine environment has attracted great scientific and public concern. To fully understand this possible contamination of Pu isotopes from the FDNPP accident to the marine environment, we collected marine sediment core samples within the 30 km zone around the FDNPP site in the western North Pacific about two years after the accident. Pu isotopes (239Pu, 240Pu, and 241Pu) and radiocesium isotopes (134Cs and 137Cs) in the samples were determined. The high activities of radiocesium and the 134Cs/137Cs activity ratios with values around 1 (decay corrected to 15 March 2011) suggested that these samples were contaminated by the FDNPP accident-released radionuclides. However, the activities of 239+240Pu and 241Pu were low compared with the background level before the FDNPP accident. The Pu atom ratios (240Pu/239Pu and 241Pu/239Pu) suggested that global fallout and the pacific proving ground (PPG) close-in fallout are the main sources for Pu contamination in the marine sediments. As Pu isotopes are particle-reactive and they can be easily incorporated with the marine sediments, we concluded that the release of Pu isotopes from the FDNPP accident to the marine environment was negligible.

[Agloco]

http://www.iflscience.com/environment/harmless-levels-fukushima-radiation-detected-california-coast


Fukushima radiation detected off California coast


"Most people don't realize that there was already cesium in Pacific waters prior to Fukushima, but only the cesium-137 isotope,” Buesseler said in a press release. “Cesium-137 undergoes radioactive decay with a 30-year half-life and was introduced to the environment during atmospheric weapons testing in the 1950s and '60s. Along with cesium-137, we detected cesium-134 – which also does not occur naturally in the environment and has a half-life of just two years. Therefore the only source of this cesium-134 in the Pacific today is from Fukushima.”

WHOI states that the Fukushima radiation found near California exists in levels lower than 2 Becquerels per cubic meter. The EPA has deemed that levels as high as 7400 becquerels per cubic meter are perfectly safe for drinking water. Even if someone spent considerable time in the water for a year, the radiation dosage is 1000 times lower compared to getting a regular x-ray at the dentist. These levels are deemed much too low to to cause immediate adverse effects in humans who might swim in the water or marine animals who live in it.

[Agloco]

What happened to all of the rhetoric from the peanut gallery? Wasn't this stuff supposed to arrive a couple of years ago in quantities sufficient to kill tens of thousands?

I wonder if any other helicopters are reading four sieverts per hour at 100m. :lmao :lmao

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima Radiation Found in Sample of Green Tea from Japan

Four years after (http://ecowatch.com/2015/03/11/fukushimas-anniversary-renewable-energy-soars/) the multiple explosions and melt-downs at Fukushima (http://ecowatch.com/?s=fukushima), it seems the scary stories have only just begun to surface.

Given that Japan’s authoritarian regime of Shinzo Abe has cracked down on the information flow from Fukushima with a repressive state secrets act (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/10/us-japan-secrets-idUSKBN0JN15920141210), we cannot know for certain what’s happening at the site.

We do know that 300 tons of radioactive water (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-japan-fukushima-pm-idUSBRE97601K20130807) have been pouring into the Pacific every day. And that spent fuel rods are littered around the site. Tokyo Electric power may or may not have brought down all the fuel rods from Unit Four, but many hundreds almost certainly remain suspended in the air over Units One, Two and Three.

We also know that Abe is pushing refugees to move back (http://www.wsj.com/articles/fukushima-refugees-wary-of-returning-home-1414099802) into the Fukushima region. Thyroid damage rates (http://ecowatch.com/2014/06/14/fukushima-children-dying/)—including cancer—have skyrocketed among children (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/09/fukushima-children-debate-thyroid-cancer-japan-disaster-nuclear-radiation) in the region. Radiation “hot spots” have been found as far away as Tokyo. According to scientific sources, more than 30 times as much radioactive Cesium (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8722400/Fukushima-caesium-leaks-equal-168-Hiroshimas.html) was released at Fukushima as was created at the bombing of Hiroshima.

“A sample of powdered tea imported from the Japanese prefecture of Chiba, just southeast of Tokyo, contained traces of radioactive cesium 137, the Hong Kong (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/hongkong/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) government announced late Thursday evening, but they were far below the legal maximum level.

The discovery was not the first of its kind. The government’s Center for Food Safety found three samples of vegetables from Japan (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/japan/index.html?inline=nyt-geo) with “unsatisfactory” levels of radioactive contaminants in March 2011, the month that nuclear reactors in Fukushima, northeast of Tokyo, suffered partial meltdowns following a powerful earthquake and tsunami.”

http://ecowatch.com/2015/03/16/radioactivity-green-tea-fukushima/

[Agloco]

Just stop. Look at post #178. Read all of the references provided. Don't post again until you do.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just stop. Look at post #178. Read all of the references provided. Don't post again until you do.

pffft Stanford doesn't have a thing on ecowatch.com.

[TeyshaBlue]

:lol. Stanford aint on the moonbat rss feed.

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima: Thousands Have Already Died, Thousands More Will Die (http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/20/fukushima-thousands-have-already-died-thousands-more-will-die/)

Official data from Fukushima (http://www.reconstruction.go.jp/topics/main-cat2/sub-cat2-1/20141226_kanrenshi.pdf) show that nearly 2,000 people died from the effects of evacuations necessary to avoid high radiation exposures from the disaster.

The uprooting to unfamiliar areas, cutting of family ties, loss of social support networks, disruption, exhaustion, poor physical conditions and disorientation can and do result in many people, in particular older people, dying.
Increased suicide (http://www.pref.fukushima.lg.jp/uploaded/attachment/62562.docx) has occurred among younger and older people following the Fukushima evacuations, but the trends are unclear.

A Japanese Cabinet Office report stated that, between March 2011 and July 2014, 56 suicides in Fukushima (http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/08/26/national/social-issues/fukushimas-high-number-disaster-related-suicides-likely-due-nuclear-crisis-cabinet-office/#.Vcstm_mrGzl) Prefecture were linked to the nuclear accident. This should be taken as a minimum, rather than a maximum, figure.

Mental health consequences

It is necessary to include the mental health consequences of radiation exposures and evacuations. For example, Becky Martin has stated (http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2015/aug/09/nagasaki-anniversary-radiation-nuclear-mental-health) her PhD research at Southampton University in the UK shows that “the most significant impacts of radiation emergencies are often in our minds.”

She adds: “Imagine that you’ve been informed that your land, your water, the air that you have breathed may have been polluted by a deadly and invisible contaminant. Something with the capacity to take away your fertility, or affect your unborn children.

“Even the most resilient of us would be concerned … many thousands of radiation emergency survivors have subsequently gone on to develop Post-Trauma Stress Disorder (PTSD), depression, and anxiety disorders as a result of their experiences and the uncertainty surrounding their health.”

It is likely that these fears, anxieties, and stresses will act to magnify the effects of evacuations, resulting in even more old people dying or people committing suicide.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/20/fukushima-thousands-have-already-died-thousands-more-will-die/

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima: the World’s Never Seen Anything Like This (http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/30/the-worlds-never-seen-anything-like-this/)

The Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant No. 2 nuclear reactor fuel is missing from the core containment vessel.

Where did it go? Nobody knows.

The nuclear fuel in reactor core No. 5 was clearly visible via the muon process. However, at No. 2 reactor, which released a very large amount of radioactive substances coincident with the 2011 explosion, little, if any, signs of nuclear fuel appear in the containment vessel. A serious meltdown is underway.

“High-level nuclear waste is almost unimaginably poisonous. Take for example cesium-137, with a half-life of 30 years, which makes up the largest fraction of long-lived radionuclides residing in spent nuclear fuel. One gram of radioactive cesium-137 (about half the size of a dime) contains 88 Curies of radioactivity. 104 Curies of radioactive cesium-137, spread evenly over one square mile of land, will make it uninhabitable for more than a century,” Comments on Draft of Nuclear Waste Administration Act of 2013, Physicians for Social Responsibility, May 23, 2013.

As for example, there are 1,090 square miles of land surrounding the destroyed Chernobyl reactor that Ukraine classifies as an uninhabitable radioactive exclusion zone because radioactive fallout left more than 104 Curies of cesium- 137 per square mile on the land that makes up the zone. Scientists believe it will be 180 to 320 years before Cesium-137 around Chernobyl disappears from the environment.

Here’s the big, or rather biggest, problem: Cesium is water-soluble and makes its way into soils and waters as it quickly becomes ubiquitous in a contaminated ecosystem.

“Long-lived radionuclides such as Cesium-137 are something new to us as a species.

They did not exist on Earth in any appreciable quantities during the entire evolution of complex life. Although they are invisible to our senses they are millions of times more poisonous than most of the common poisons we are familiar with.

They cause cancer, leukemia, genetic mutations, birth defects, malformations, and abortions at concentrations almost below human recognition and comprehension.

They are lethal at the atomic or molecular level,”

Japanese government has made it nearly impossible to obtain information which is not indiscriminately labeled “secret,” and a journalist may face up to 10 years in prison based upon which side of the bed a government employee gets up on any given morning; it’s absolutely true!

a sizeable pro-nuke coterie claim nuclear power is safe and also claim that few, if any, serious human health problems have arisen, or will arise, from radiation exposure. In fact, some nuke addicts even claim a “little radiation exposure” is good.

That, however, has been debunked via a recent (July 2015) landmark study concluded by an international consortium under the umbrella of the International Agency for Research on Cancer / Lyon, France where a long-term study for low radiation impact was conducted on 300,000 nuclear-industry workers. The study proves, beyond a doubt, there is “no threshold dose below which radiation is harmless.” Any amount is harmful, period.

However, in sober reflection and retrospection one has to come to the conclusion that far from being a nuclear disaster the Fukushima incident was actually a wonderful illustration of the safety of nuclear power,” Dr. Kelvin Kemm, CEO of Nuclear Africa,

Nobody knows whether Fukushima morphs full meltdown into Mother Earth, although the signposts are not good, and not only that but nobody knows what to do about it. Nobody knows what to do. They really don’t.

The only thing for certain is that it’s not good. Going forward, it becomes a matter of how bad things get.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/30/the-worlds-never-seen-anything-like-this/

[boutons_deux]

Fukushima Radiation in Pacific Reaches West Coast (http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/14/fukushima-radiation-in-pacific-reaches-west-coast/)

the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency halted its emergency radiation monitoring of Fukushima’s radioactive plume in May 2011, three months after the disaster began.

Japan isn’t even monitoring seawater near Fukushima,

The amount of cesium in seawater that Buesseler’s researchers found off Vancouver Island is nearly six times the concentration recorded since cesium was first introduced into the oceans by nuclear bomb tests (halted in 1963). This stunning increase in Pacific cesium shows an ongoing increase. The International Business Times (IBT) reported last Nov. 12 that Dr. Buesseler found the amount of cesium-134 in the same waters was then about twice the concentration left in long-standing bomb test remains.

Dr. Buesseler, at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, announced his assessment after his team found that cesium drift from Fukushima’s three reactor meltdowns had reached North America. Attempting to reassure the public, Buesseler said, “[E]ven if they were twice as high and I was to swim there every day for an entire year, the dose I would be exposed to is a thousand times less than a single dental X-ray.”

This comparison conflates the important difference between external radiation exposure (from X-rays or swimming in radioactively contaminated seawater), and internal contamination from ingesting radioactive isotopes, say with seafood.

Dr. Chris Busby of the Low Level Radiation Campaign in the UK explains the distinction this way: Think of the difference between merely sitting before a warm wood fire on one hand, and popping a burning hot coal into your mouth on the other. Internal contamination can be 1,000 times more likely to cause cancer than the same exposure if it were external, especially for women and children. And, because cesium-137 stays in the ecosphere for 300 years, long-term bio-accumulation and bio-concentration of cesium isotopes in the food chain – in this case the ocean food chain – is the perpetually worsening consequence of what has spilled and is still pouring from Fukushima.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/14/fukushima-radiation-in-pacific-reaches-west-coast/

[baseline bum]

What happened to all of the rhetoric from the peanut gallery? Wasn't this stuff supposed to arrive a couple of years ago in quantities sufficient to kill tens of thousands?

I wonder if any other helicopters are reading four sieverts per hour at 100m. :lmao :lmao

I was surfing at Huntington Beach the other day and the fucking Elephant's Foot came out of nowhere and knocked me off my board.

[boutons_deux]

Thyroid Cancer in Children Increases 30-Fold in Fukushima,
http://ecowatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/children_750.jpg

http://ecowatch.com/2015/10/15/thyroid-cancer-fukushima-study/?utm_source=EcoWatch+List&utm_campaign=d67f9f083b-Top_News_10_15_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_49c7d43dc9-d67f9f083b-85879165

[boutons_deux]

Exploding Radioactive Waste Warning: Keep It Above Ground

We don’t have to wait thousands of years for disaster to strike.

Early on Sunday Oct. 25, an underground fire caused an explosion in a low-level nuclear waste site in the desert 10 miles from Beatty, Nevada, and 115 miles northwest of Las Vegas.

The explosion and fire followed flash flooding that shut down Beatty’s escape routes: US 95 and State Highway 373.

The 80-acre dumping ground, closed since 1992, is run by — get this — “US Ecology.”

The private dump consists of 22 trenches up to 800 feet long and 50 feet deep, and its older trenches have radioactive waste within three feet of the surface, the Las Vegas Sun reported.

Certain types of radioactive material are known to catch fire when in contact with water, so the flooding that struck prior to the explosion may have been its cause. Unfortunately authorities don’t know what sorts of radioactive isotopes are buried in the trenches there. Nor does anyone know either how the fire started or how much radioactive waste burned.

Rusty Harris-Bishop, spokesman for the US EPA’s Region 9 office in San Francisco said in a prepared statement, “No gamma radiation has been detected at this time.” This nuanced remark does not indicate that gamma radiation wasn’t detected. It also artfully dodges questions about alpha and beta radiation.

http://www.alternet.org/environment/exploding-radioactive-waste-warning-keep-it-above-ground

[hater]

shits getting real :wow

Underground wall around Fukushima reactors started “leaning” — Cracks developing due to rising water levels — Problems seen along almost entire length of sea wall — Trying to make repairs to keep groundwater from surging

http://enenews.com/nhk-underground-wall-around-fukushima-reactors-started-lean-rising-water-levels-causing-cracks-develop-problems-occuring-along-almost-entire-length-sea-wall-tepco-trying-make-repairs-keep-gro


Highest concentrations of Fukushima radiation in U.S. waters detected near San Francisco

don't worry you can still eat fish. for now :lol
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/highest-concentrations-fukushima-radiation-us-waters-detected-near-san-francisco

Red Alert! Sharp increase in radiation… at Fukushima” — Levels spike 400,000% under plant — Almost 1,000,000,000 becquerels per cubic meter
http://enenews.com/report-red-alert-sharp-increase-radiation-fukushima-levels-spike-400000-plant-tv-officials-investigating

[hater]

Declassified U.S. Government Report Prepared a Week After Fukushima Accident: “100% of The Total Spent Fuel Was Released to the Atmosphere from Unit 4”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/declassified-u-s-government-report-prepared-a-week-after-fukushima-accident-100-of-the-total-spent-fuel-was-released-to-the-atmosphere-from-unit-4/5495110

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Mitsuhei Murata, former Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland, Nov 1, 2015:

Japan is laboring under the consequences of the Accident never before experienced by humanity, including the simultaneous destruction and meltdown of three commercial nuclear reactors. Four and half years after the 3.11 disaster, it has been shown that a severe nuclear accident cannot be brought under control by a single state… It is questioned if Japan is in possession of the governability and the capacity needed to cope with the impending crisis. The melted cores of the reactors from Units 1, 2 and 3 remain inaccessible… If the molten nuclear fuel rods are exposed through cracks to the atmosphere due to a mega earthquake or the liquidization of soils on the site that could cause the collapse and breach of Fukushima’s spent fuel pools, Japan’s landmass would become uninhabitable to a large extent…

Some experts now estimate that the wave of radiation from Fukushima will be 10-times bigger than all of the radiation from the entire world’s nuclear tests throughout history combined…

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Fukushima Reactor Debris Stands No Chance Against Toshiba's Slicing, Dicing Robot (http://gizmodo.com/fukushima-reactor-debris-stands-no-chance-against-toshi-1753560165)


http://gizmodo.com/fukushima-reactor-debris-stands-no-chance-against-toshi-1753560165?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20gizmodo/full%20(Gizmodo)

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Radioactive Water From Fukushima Is Leaking Into the Pacific

"Fukushima is the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind," Arnold Gundersen, a former nuclear industry senior vice president, told Truthout shortly after a 9.0 earthquake in Japan caused a tsunami that destroyed the cooling system of Tokyo Electric Power Company's (TEPCO) nuclear plant in Fukushima, Japan.

While this statement might sound overdramatic, Gundersen may be right.

Several nuclear reactor meltdowns in the plant, which at the time forced the mandatory evacuations of thousands of people living within a 15-mile radius of the damaged power plant, persist, and experts like Gundersen continue to warn that this problem is not going to go away.

"Fukushima has three nuclear reactors exposed and four fuel cores exposed," Gundersen said. "You probably have the equivalent of 20 nuclear reactor cores because of the fuel cores, and they are all in desperate need of being cooled, and there is no means to cool them effectively."

This persistent problem reared its head yet again in December 2015, when TEPCO was forced to deal with a massive amount of highly radioactive water (http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201512260045) generated by having to cool the reactors and exposed fuel cores Gundersen mentioned.

TEPCO must now transfer between 200 and 300 tons of groundwater into highly contaminated reactor buildings, having been unable to devise an effective plan for keeping the groundwater from continuing to flow under the plant.

"The fuels are now a molten blob at the bottom of the reactor," Gundersen said.

Shortly after the plant was damaged, TEPCO announced that they had experienced a "melt through," which means a melted reactor core had melted through some layers beneath it.

"There is no way to prevent the radioactive water [from] reaching the western shores of the North American continent and then circulating around the rest of the Pacific Ocean," Caldicott said. "At the moment, it seems like this is going to occur for the rest of time."

"There are no safe levels of radiation for biological systems," she said. "That terminology is used by the nuclear industry to cover their inevitable radioactive releases."

Ramana believes it could still take decades before the plant's radiation leaks are even contained.

"I think this is going to take a couple of decades," he said. "We are still in the early years; it hasn't even been five years since the disaster started. It has been 30 years since Chernobyl and remediation of that site is still [a] work in progress."

Disconcertingly, Ramana does not believe there is a "true solution" to the crisis.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/34565-radioactive-water-from-fukushima-is-leaking-into-the-pacific

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Photo of Deformed Daisies Found Near Fukushima Goes Viral


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1474069-photo-of-deformed-daisies-found-near-fukushima-goes-viral-video/

https://goo.gl/4OXYZo

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Radioactive Material Found in Groundwater Below Indian Point Energy Center

A radioactive material has been detected in the groundwater below a nuclear power plant north of New York City.

Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo (KWOH’-moh) said Saturday that water contaminated by tritium leaked into the groundwater at the Indian Point Energy Center in Buchanan, 40 miles north of Manhattan.

Officials say the contamination has remained contained to the site and there’s no risk to the public.

Elevated levels of tritium were found in two monitoring wells at the plant in 2014. Officials said then the contamination likely stemmed from an earlier maintenance shutdown.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1960034-radioactive-material-found-in-groundwater-below-indian-point-energy-center/

"energy center"? :lol

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https://cdn-japantimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/qb-1360593830307799054-37.7-141.8-j.png

Magnitude 7.1 earthquake jolts Fukushima area (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/02/13/national/earthquake-fukushima/)

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diluted with seawater to sub-regulatory levels


Tokyo Electric Power Company Holdings Inc. plans to construct an approximately 1 kilometer-long undersea tunnel to release treated radioactive water from the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant out to sea, sources close to the matter said Tuesday.https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/08/24/national/fukushima-water-tunnel/

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Robot photos appear to show melted fuel at Fukushima reactor (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/robot-photos-appear-to-show-melted-fuel-at-fukushima-reactor/ar-AATHa4S?ocid=msedgntp)

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Godzilla, and family, powering up with Fuckyou's hot water.

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